Jay-Z & Kanye West Top 5: The Blueprint or The Black Album? What's Kanye's best?

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We are back with our top five on not only Kanye West, but also Jay-Z.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In our last episode, we broke down the watch, the throne album, the time frame, the era.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now we're going to talk about what we enjoy about these artists, which

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[SPEAKER_03]: you know when it comes to to Kanye we we mentioned on that episode our fandom kind of stopped at a specific point in uh he even though he has a new album out I do not plan on attempting to listen to it so yeah and like I said I

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[SPEAKER_00]: attempted to just like check it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, obviously Kanye has made lots of statements in the last 10 or 11 years that I do not agree with whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and as a result of that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: As a result of that and just the quality of his music declining, I have stopped listening to his music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly, I've stopped listening to his newer music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the older music has emotional resonance for me, and I just feel like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to bring some Michael stuff into it as a comparison, but I'm not going to, I just feel like it was a different person that made those records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going, you know, the shit he's done in the last few years is not going to fully remove my enjoyment and my relationship with those pieces of music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The music got bad, he turned into a bad character, so, you know, Kanye, I think unless he really surprises me and pulls like some shit out of his ass is very much past tense for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about Jay Z first because on the, uh, the episode I mentioned that I like the black album better than the blueprint these to and in now and you know in these recent listens as those albums are, uh, they're older.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're over 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even want to think about that man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But, um, I was I wanted to get your point of view because this is a, this is a classic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: hip hop fan conversation.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What is the better album in your opinion?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the blueprint is a great record and I think it's really like

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[SPEAKER_00]: After, from reasonable doubt, it's like the first Jay-Z album since then that is consistent, like from beginning to end, like there's not one song on blueprint where you're like, oh my God, I need to have run to the skip button and press it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The black album just feels like more complete.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think the production, I don't know if the production's, but it just has like more like aha moments for me, more round moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I'm going to go to one jz album, it's going to be the black album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This doesn't get talked about a ton, but I also like his edge in the black album better because he, he was of the mentality of like, I'm going to go away

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[SPEAKER_03]: and y'all are really gonna miss me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm gonna leave y'all with something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna leave y'all with something to remind you of who's one of the best to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, has he even gone into depths about why he thought or why he called it a retirement?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone knew he was gonna come back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was so young.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was at the height of his start-up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It felt like a marketing gimmick, but sometimes, and you see this with athletes sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes they just need to take some time off, you know, and kind of get their minds right again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, I mean, he didn't really because he was still like touring and being on other people's records and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Jay Z kind of was one of those people who was threatening retirement from day one, like even on like in my lifetime volume one, he was like, I'm making two more records and I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you cry, well, for a bunch of times, eventually people are going to stop believing you, so I don't know if anybody really believed that he was going to retire at the black album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but you know, who knows what his motivation was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he was tired, maybe he, you know, wanted to try to do something different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I also wonder about.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's coming up in the game, reasonable doubt comes out in 96.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like the two puck and Biggie stuff happens right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he, he has this like thought of.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here are the two biggest celebrities in the game and they're both targeted and they're both shot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I always wondered about the mentality of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, we know, puffed atty decided, well, I'm going to take what happened and I'm going to blow it up and take advantage of it and lean into it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do wonder if some folks were like, man, if I become bigger than life, like those guys, am I the target?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I always wondered about Jay Z because he became very famous now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He would always mention his relationship with BIG, very, he's very clearly that he looked up to BIG.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's also clear that because BIG passed away after his second album that I think Jaysee probably realized at some point that he kind of advanced beyond B.I.

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[SPEAKER_03]: because of how many albums he was deep in the game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he kind of became what Tupac and Biggie,

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[SPEAKER_03]: were were in 96 and 97 that JZ became that in like 98 through 2003 or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I wouldn't if he ever thought about that of him possibly being a target in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think JZ

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[SPEAKER_00]: like knowing the music industry, I think Jay-Z always kind of felt like a target, but Jay-Z also came from a life where he was a target.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if it necessarily made a whole lot of difference to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I would love

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[SPEAKER_00]: for there to be for JZ like really like right like a memoir and I know that whatever the book is, I decode it, that that book exists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it sheds some insight, it's a good book, but just in terms of like frame of mind being in the industry and you know, being, you know, being a person that people were trying to like knock a couple of pegs down because he was

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[SPEAKER_00]: the most successful, I mean, M&M was the most successful rapper in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was the most successful non-white rapper in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, so just to wonder what his like mindset was through all of that, uh, it would be really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I also feel like you go through the whole like recording touring like that whole thing like after while he probably got bored.

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[SPEAKER_03]: in a relationship as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, he probably did want to focus on that somewhat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wait.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so let's play a game here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We lost.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Rock with it or stop with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You've now paired me for this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, these are all songs that, you know, are either kind of famous or songs that I enjoy, but I don't know what you would think about them or how they may have even aged for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I think it's completely of the time frame of 1998, like it's it is perfectly in 1998.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very much like a kind of jiggy flashy hip hop song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's just over the time that, you know, Germaine was like, well, a puppy can do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't I do this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, having Jay on the record was a good look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, I then I think also for Jay being on a record with your main to pre and reaching that like, you know, pop audience was a good look for him, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Big pimping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, cause laterally,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not on board with some of the lyrical content, um, but it's one of the easiest songs of his to sing at least hookwise like pulled very much remember that hook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I mean, I mean, Kudos to him first of all for putting UGK on the record, because this was very much back in a day when hip hop was super regional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And nobody in New York was really messing with UGK like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know people in Texas were really messing with Jay Z.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a really good, like, cross-cultural, kind of experiment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Timbalen's a Vito's dope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and it is just it's super catchy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but, you know, when you're a 50 year old and and you listen to some of those lyrics, if you don't cringe little bit, you're not doing it right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Farell Williams.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to love you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another fun record and is quotable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but very much of the moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, I rock with that song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, me too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... let's see another frail on the hook song excuse me miss i mean as long as fine it's one of like it's average there's actually a remix of that song on the bad boys two bad boys do that track okay that remix is harder than the original i like some of the lines and excuse me miss there is a line where he says before i jump out the window what's your name

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is he making fun of one of our guys in that song, who, um, um, uh, Eric sermon, because because he got chased out of the apartment or the house of somebody he was sleeping with somebody's lady and he jetted jump off the roof of the building or something I remember the story being.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that story too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it could be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wish I was correlated those two things together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if he's making fun of him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What about the rock boys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a fun song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a fun song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the whole American gangster album, I think is actually pretty solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like one of his better, like later albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like if you give Jay-Z like a mission, you give him a theme and like, hey, do this thing, he's gonna do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Rock Boys is also like very celebratory, very fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But about death of the auto tune.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, that didn't age well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like, like I said earlier, like, there's lazy jazzy and then there's like, on point jazzy, and I feel like this is on point jazzy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like that's not a lot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I'm interested if you can remember what this song is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Already home,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think you'd remember this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that on blueprint three?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that someone with J. Cole?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, this isn't that one called like a star's board or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Already home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember that song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me, let me do some looking up here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I, I, I love the hook on this song Wow, I didn't put it in my top five, but blueprint three as we said in in our 50 for 50 episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is just up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like a poppy record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's all that albums all about hooks and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let me, let me find it blueprint three.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is with, oh, it's with kid cutty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not remember that song at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, do I have to make a one more?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Should we go one more?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, what about on to the next one?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Same album, same idea, just a memorable hook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The beat is kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's an okay song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's get to our top five.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to, do you want to go first in your jazzy top five here, man, this this broke my brain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was hard by the way, um, like my top five Kanye kind of came out pretty quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My top five jazzy I'm picking from like 20 songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, and I'm actually going to move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going to move one song off of the list.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, actually, let me stop you here for a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you put any watch the throne songs on your top five?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, then I took it out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, because I eliminated them too, because I was like, yeah, let's, I just want to do it mostly off of the other albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is, there is a Jay-Z song on my Kanye list but it's not from watch the throne.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, my number five is meet the parent for two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just, literally, it is so smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it's one of those things like I love when a song has a story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like stand by Eminem, like one of those songs where like you listen to the lyrics, and it just kind of like pulls you into a story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like meet the parents is is really like the one, one of the few times that Jay-Z has been able to do that for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a great, that's a great one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, and I did listen to Blueprint 2, all of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that's the long album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, my number five is Brooklyn's finest with Jane Bigg.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That, you know, when you go back in time, and you kind of think about

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, does like, Biggie is so comfortable on that album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, Biggie is goofing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, he has twins who probably have two pox exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, he's not, like, he's just being very humorous and joking personality and just like, cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you could tell Jay Z's almost like, I'm trying to keep up with this dude, and this dude just like messin' around, and he's still dope, you know, like that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just love the time and place of where both of those guys are on this song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's biggie at kind of like the top of his game and jazzy kind of this is his first record, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's trying to like, he's trying to match with the king and his younger is all hell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was really funny is that jazzy's three years older than big years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, what's your number four?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My number four is... My number four was American gangster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually the title track from that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the movie is kind of dark yeah subject matter the movie is kind of dark but there are a couple of songs on the album like rock boys and like american gangster which is actually the last song on album which are like very celebratory mm-hmm and american gangster to me is just like i think it it's also like a Curtis made field sample that sped up it might be a Kanye production but it's just like such a party song such like a triumphant kind of song um

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[SPEAKER_03]: My number four is a song from life and times actually okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So ghetto that's such a dope song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's my favorite song in the album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know what I think about on songs like so ghetto.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because like you said or like we talked about like there's a certain jazzy where he kind of knows maybe maybe better than.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Any hip hop artist, he understands that you can't only make songs for one part of your audience, like you need to stretch it out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And in some cases, some albums are stretched out way too much on one side and not enough on the other, but then he puts a song on like so ghetto and you're like, how does this fit on the rest of this album, you know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I always go back to that line on the black album song where he was talking about,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he always he always wanted to rhyme like telepqually and uh, and so there's yeah, yeah, yeah, it turns around to be miracles telepqually, some some common sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like that is a very truthful thing for him to point out because he's like, I can do this something like, you know, so ghetto, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: at the same time where the money comes in is on some of the other stuff that's going to get played on the radio so like it's kind of like a you know a decision that artists have to make and then when you're as famous as him then it becomes an expectation and he's got a balance those things out but I always love because if every song on

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... volume three was like so get out of it in the greatest album but then they wanted you know he was an artist that needed to sell records and so he's going to go a different way with a lot of that's he's gonna have my right carry on the song you know right that's the thing so right

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's number three?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my number three was your number five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Brooklyn's finest is my number three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just again like two dudes, top of their game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really love the way you described it, because I never even really thought of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, Jay sounds hungry on a whole record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Biggie sounds like he smoked the blood and he's just like, this is goofy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's like, that's what makes the album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's what makes the song fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are the biggie verses, though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's not even like, it's like they're playing ping pong, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even like Jay does a versus big does a versus like their jump and back and forth like finishing each other's lines and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just love that collaboration and it's just like a real snapshot of New York City in 1996.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, my number three is from Rock La Familia, actually.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're picking all the deep albums, which is this can't be life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: because of the Scarface rhyme at the end.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess that was like a real story where somebody knew their childhood had passed away, like right before he was recording the verse.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so you hear like the real,

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[SPEAKER_03]: reaction to that moment on that on that song and I always just thought man like again this song stands out in such a way because rock Lafamilia album is nothing like this it's a serious heart felt song and so that that song stands out on that album I think I mean jazzy and scar phase have done a couple of great songs together

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and I'm not I have a ton of respect for Scarface and the ghetto boys, but I'm not like a big Scarface a good old boy's fan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, me both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those two together, uh, between that and like guess who's back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there's somehow some way which is on blueprint too, like they've made a bunch of not a good record together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, what's the year number two?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My number two, actually, my both, my number one M.I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: number two with me black album, which cements me, appreciating the black album more than I like, uh, blueprint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My number two is Lucifer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's kind of like a story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the last verse in particular is like a story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jaycey said it was a true story about, you know, uh, a boy of his like, I killed the beat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So uncanny like like you think of Kanye beats you like so full and kind of like peppy or whatever like this beat is muddy like it's distorted like you the mix is weird and you know you think of jz being like such a precise MC

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[SPEAKER_00]: But J.C. is like rhyming into the chorus, he's, you know, finishing his bars at like weird spots like it's just he's just rolling and like if you think of, you know, the what he's the legend that Jay doesn't write his own rhymes down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This might be evidence that A.C. doesn't because it's not like linear, it's not like 16 bars course, it's not 16 bars course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just kind of like flowing and it doesn't matter where, but just like it's it's a very like dark track and literally it's also kind of dark, but it's just like it jazzy's in the pocket.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Please don't tell me just to find my thug,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that was a bad look.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's an interesting idea, though, to to the Madonna song from when we were kids.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like that, that was like, I'm sure he probably was, I mean, he's a little bit older than us, but he would have probably seen that Madonna song and been.

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[SPEAKER_03]: very intrigued about like the video and you know that that movie that she had put out of her tour or whatever like so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, like everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Lenny Cravitz who wrote Justify My Love.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or produced it, rather.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Jay and Lenny would go on to collaborate later on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't have any black album songs in my top five.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's because

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[SPEAKER_03]: I I like to listen to that album very cohesively like just from start to finish because I think that I'm fits well, but the songs that probably would have been on on a longer list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the public service announcement on a service announcement is so dope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost almost put that in my top five, but now I would have been the one like I'm stuff here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, number two for me is hard to the city from blueprint.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Great song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There there are some lines in there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that, you know, people will still repeat, you know, and again, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's really a song where he's just like, why am I being criticized for all this stuff, you know, he's like, it's a very like, what do you don't make me shit?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, I get heat like I like the oven door.

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[SPEAKER_03]: things that he wraps about in plus, of course, the music that they use is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the unplugged version of that is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Jaguar right done lost a fucking mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the unplugged version of that with the root like that whole unplugged album, I think is really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's kind of a, it probably doesn't necessarily count, but that

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's your number one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm number one, it's 99 problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember the first time I heard that sound, I was like, whoa, this is Jay on some like old school run DMC LL cool Jay shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he rides that beat so well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Rick Rubin kind of went back in his hip hop bag and like Jay understood the assignment, so 99 problems just to me like his and it's one of his biggest songs and you know, I generally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jay-Z's like codon quote hit records are okay, but not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this is a case where like it was a hit record, the video was fucking amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like everything about it was just so dope.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He gives you a lesson and what cops are allowed to do as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, Jay-Z was dropping legal knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My number one song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is the watcher part two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Joe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jay-Z.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, rock him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Rock him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Bring it home.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that song right there, told me at that time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If rock him had some people behind him, he could still put together, put another classic album out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he didn't ever, I don't know why he never had that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, you know, like, rock him was signed to aftermath for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It, excuse me, allegedly didn't entire record would drape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think drape was trying to get rock him to like wrap about some gangster shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And rock him was like, I'm not about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like I want to rhyme and it just like the marriage just didn't work, but rock him, you know, rock him has always been kind of like torpedo by his production.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I mean, on one hand, it's sad that that album never came to fruition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the other hand, like I don't want to hear rock him being ignorant anyway, so it's just, you know, we'll never hear that, but um, you know, yeah, man, if you give that do to be even on that truth, the addictive song, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: his flow is so dope on that song like he still had it he just you know couldn't find anybody to it and you know what he probably still does like you think about you know the common and p-rock album that came out like last year the year before the Nas and Primo album like all that stuff like a lot of these old school rappers just need to get with a producer who understands them and they still have a dope record in them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you read the rock in book?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I might still have it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's move over to Kanye here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And my question to you is what is his best album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it's college dropout.

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[SPEAKER_03]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think late registrations are really, really good album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think graduations are really, really good album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But college dropout almost like top to bottom is just like so good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is, I mean, there were some, there's some Bernie Mac on that album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: there's a there's a there's a workout plan in there who does I see I love that song I love that song No, it's classic I mean as much as you can make a classic hip-hop album post you know

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[SPEAKER_03]: 2000s or whatever it's classic and I like relate registration more because it feels like and it's kind of like you're your tempo like it feels more polished to me it feels like he did college drop out and he's like okay

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a little bit more famous now, have some of a few more friends, have resources, every sources.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've learned a few things and then I'm going to use that for the next album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I like about late registration, but they're both really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, like you said, graduation is good too, but I would put that third for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's do the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Rock with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Stop with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: For Kanye West.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a little bit a little bit of a shorter list.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll go through this one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Jesus walks rock with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I haven't listened to that song in a really, really long time for a variety of reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also still know every single word to that song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is amazing that that song was able to come out as a hip-hop song and be a hit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's pretty incredible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, good life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a list.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Say, OK, OK, good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good, good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're rocking with it sampling the PYT.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Barry Bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I rock with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like top tier Kanye for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's have fun, song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's my, it's got a little Wayne on it, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe, maybe my favorite simplistic hook of all time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's another hit, Barry Bonds.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I always got a kick out of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Big brother, we talked about this in the Watch The Throne episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine, you know, Kanye, like I'm not going to criticize Kanye for being in his feelings because that's why I like Kanye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, uh, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That song has always been kind of weird to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I get what he was trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did, I did like how he was able to use

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was very well done, but it was also that little bit of the cornyness that we talked about that we liked about him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, no macho dude is going to put those things together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's song, but that's why he does different Kanye's hook was always that he was not that macho dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like one reason, one thing that really stuck with me from early on, this is probably around the time late registration came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I remember him doing an interview on MTV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he was talking about a relative of his who was gay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, yo, that's my cousin, I love him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, this is the first time in, and this is 2005.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm 29 years old in the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In 29 years of life, in 25 years as a hip-hop fan, that I've ever heard, not just another rapper, but another black man go on TV and say something positive about gay people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that that is the Kanye that I know and love which makes this current version of Kanye so much you've been more disappointing yeah believe it on Kim that's actually I shouldn't say because that's a joke yes sort of Okay last two more All right, we talked we talked about

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[SPEAKER_03]: welcome to heartbreak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've really, really liked that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was probably, I might have been my favorite song off the album when I initially heard it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been such a long time since I've listened to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, I wasn't totally on board with like the auto tune stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is more rapping Kanye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I was like talking through the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was probably my favorite song off the album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I rock with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, last one from life of Pablo, no more parties in LA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Kendrick, so I, you know, that was also probably my favorite song on life of Pablo like that and real friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, that's one of the songs where I was like, okay, this dude kind of still has it maybe a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like 30 hours too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it called 30 hours?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 30 hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One boundary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like that's on too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get to our top five now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You went first last time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll go first this time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Even though I talked about how my beautiful dark twisted fantasy is not my favorite Kanye album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do like the song so appalled.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is, in some senses, it's like a master class of like a rap, you know, putting a few guys on a song together and kind of getting the best out of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I really like that the way that sometimes those songs can happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's my faith.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't, because Jaycee's on that song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not surprising that I would like a jazzy produced by Kanye West, you know, thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but yeah, that was my favorite song on that album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did like monster a lot, but because of the people involved at kind of, I don't, I just still listen to it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say the same thing about monster, but it's like, okay, then I only listen to jazzy's verse, which isn't very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we can scratch monster entirely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or what you're number five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My number five same album actually is all of the lights.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't really explain why I like it as much as I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's I mean, it's got a great hook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, Rihanna and Fergi and Cutty and Elton John and, you know, there's like eight million people on that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it's one of those things where like, you know, Kanye's kind of starting to take the heel turn and it's very paranoid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but there's still like humanity in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can still like feel him in that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, I love that song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's very thematic and and you like and you mentioned the note no church in the wild as like being used in movies like this song you see it in trailers too like just the the way that it sounds yes it is it is really it is really great in that way okay my number four Get them high from color

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, people at planet.com, it's just like that style, you know, quality common, the jazzy drop name drop, both of those guys and in the song from that we were talking about, but, uh, and I get a kick out of Kanye trying to keep up with them, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like because like there is a little bit of a challenge

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[SPEAKER_03]: like really thoughtful MCs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so Kanye, you can hear him like trying to keep like, it's like, if you want to get good at something, you might as well like try and beat the best.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's not going to get there from that perspective, though he has a giant career by comparison, but you can hear it in the music like where he's just trying to catch up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it also kind of, you know, goes back to what Jay said, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think of everybody's verse on that song and Kwalee and Common can rhyme circles around Kanye, but they can't make records as good as Kanye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and you know, that was also like the period where Common had kind of fallen off in commercially, anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, him and Kanye made an album together and it made Common bigger than he'd ever been before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's a little bit of Kanye kind of like, paying it forward.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: For sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's the next for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My number four is Hey Mama from late registration and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: When my grandmother died in 2019, that was the first song I played, like it's just, it comes from such like a, again, it goes back to what I love about Coyas, just very emotional, very honest, and like there's a warmth to that song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we don't have to go super deep here,

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[SPEAKER_03]: dealing with the depression of that on eight o'8s in heartbreak with his mom dying you can circle back to this song to see how important she was to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Donda was obviously still alive when hey mama came out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was an ode to her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's actually my number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, my number three is a very played-out song, but I still love it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Gold digger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought of something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He thought of doing karaoke of gold digger.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was back in the day, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you have Jamie Foxx impersonating Rachel's for one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: you just have like the cultural references to Tom Cruise and The White Girls.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like it is a snapshot of like 2005 for me, but I think, you know, that really, like Kanye's really good on that song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, it's like that joky fun, like in on the joke guy, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: When you have Jamie Foxx doing a really good impersonation of Ray Charles like that that's the icing of the cake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean that's a great song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's as soon as you said I was like wait and I think we talked about it maybe during like the real episode is good life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like T-Pain now, I don't like his music necessarily, but T-Pain is like a human being seems like a cool dude, so I mess with T-Pain now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in the day, I was 100% on team death of auto tune, so I was not really messed with any T-Pain records, so I have T-Pain on a Kanye record as kind of like, eh, but it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything about it is so right, like the sample, the, you know, just the vibe of it, it's such like a, again, like an upbeat, like positive fun song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And.

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[SPEAKER_03]: when the bat went when like the the heart of of the song is like a really Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like the beginning I'd like the beginning of that song like we always do about this like I that just like every time that song starts it's like yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, my number two, now this song isn't one that I would necessarily go back and listen to as much as some of these other ones, but I love what he did with this song and it's all falls down, trying to get Lauren on it and Lauren's like, nah, Lauren was being Lauren and then him getting someone to do the Lauren,

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[SPEAKER_03]: part and do it very well where people like this thought it was Lauren and then going back to here like you can find it on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure to hear the actual live Lauren version from that unplugged album and to hear what he actually wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was probably a blessing in disguise that Lauren said no because the song is probably better fully produced rather than using a sample of a live vocal of Lauren's.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just was like this dude is creatively like on a different level than other people when it comes to the sampling stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, my number two, uh, was is slow jams, um, which was the first time I heard Kanye rapping on a record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like, it's this weird mixture of people like his Kanye and Twista and Jamie Foxx, and then like, I should Tyler comes in and has a broken part in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like how did these four people get into a room together?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, the Luther sample, you know, the kind of the name drops of, you know, everybody like Twisted's verse, I've been trying to master Twisted verse for 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go faster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't go faster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, got a light skin friend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, all right, this dude is funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is what we liked about him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is like that that song is really like right in the pocket of everything that you liked about Kanye West.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm minus number one is, hey, mama.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what's your number one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my number one actually, it's funny because it's a Kanye song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason there's number one doesn't really have a whole lot to do with Kanye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's to diamonds from Sierra Leon remix, which is the remix, where Jay Z basically comes in halfway through the song and bodies it, uh, probably one of Jay Z's best versus ever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's weird.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a business man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a business man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's one of the greatest lines in hip-hop music ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think Jayce was like, you know, he was coming into a situation where like he just kind of gotten like the presidency at deaf jam, people like yo is this guy an executive like what's going on here is I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: he retired to become an executive sort of yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but he was just like case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my fucking forgot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can wrap and just like went off on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's so smart to do remix because the original version of that song is not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's being is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, he's he has this line about

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[SPEAKER_03]: someone was fat so he called the minivan or something, but I was like, okay, like, yeah, you need to go back into the boot, and then he did, and then you get that version of that song, which is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, even Kanye's rhyming on the song is definitely improved from, uh, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: from the original version, like, you know, talking about, you know, seeing a short harmless, like blah, blah, blah, and like explaining the diamond trade in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But Jaycee just like, Jaycee came and was like, and the story is that Kanye was like, I know he's going to do this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I have to be really, really good on this song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then after

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm so happy with this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's like, and then J comes in and just kills my shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not even in contest.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, you've been.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is our longest top five because we talked about two guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, this is going to be a fun week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait to read your review of the album, which you've probably written a version of this review like three times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm guessing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it would be nice if I could just pull my ears back up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it's just kind of like a comparison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, how do I feel all these years later?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like I mentioned on the 50 for 50 episode about watch a throne.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's Michael Week is coming.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to do off the wall our top five.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we're going to talk about the movie that drops.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you'll have three.

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[SPEAKER_03]: episodes, videos, podcasts from us, make sure you click that subscribe button and go to 50 for 50.net if you miss anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: For Mike, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We will see you when we see you peace.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Peace out.