Jay-Z & Kanye West’s Watch The Throne Deep Dive |

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are doing another live stream here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about watch the throne.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, this, like the super friends at the time, I don't know what their relationship is today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's probably non-existent, but the super friends album of the time were Jay-Z and Kanye West.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of both at the top of their powers there as far as celebrity is concerned, teaming up for an album that coined the term and I'm actually wondering what you think of this term.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Luxury rap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I've ever heard that before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the idea is

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[SPEAKER_00]: rich guys with rich friends with rich producers with rich instruments recording and hotels on the road and rich places and they didn't give a damn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if that's the case, then they, you know, that that's definitely what it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's exactly what it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So where, so we always do this thing where at the top of the show, we kind of talk about the year that the album was created and where we are in the time of our lives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 2011, we're in our mid 30s around around this time, mid mid, you know, mid to the later 30s, I guess, heading into later 30s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you geographically in other stages of your life and, you know, were you anticipating this album like I was?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's weird because I feel like there's, once you pass a certain age, the year's kind of almost like jumble up together, kind of, so, you know, I lived in Boston from 2008 to the end of 2015 and that all sort of feels like One year to me, like I can't necessarily remember like specific years within that period.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it all kind of like jumbled together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so I was living in Boston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd been there, you know, I'd say for probably like three years at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, certainly was very highly anticipating this album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as a Jay-Z fan, as a Kanye fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, obviously, and I don't think I need to qualify this, but this is Kanye circa 2011.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not circa 2015 or later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I mean, this album was very highly anticipated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to think about this because back when I was listening to a lot more new music, I can remember being super fired up about certain albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like counting down the days until I could go buy this thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember doing that for this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I mentioned before actually about two versions of this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The the one That is the normal version and the edited version so I could throw it on my kids iPods.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you idea us you mentioned it and?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying I think I would say the track called quest album

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[SPEAKER_00]: their last one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was probably more excited for that album, but I was really excited for this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember that there are any other albums that I was that excited for dropping since then more than those two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, uh, LL?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't speak for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I certainly

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not to say that I was unexcited about a new L.O.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kujey record, but I wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't like a 12.01.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh my god, I need to hear this record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, outside of the tribe record, maybe the last the Angela record, you know, there might be a Kendrick record in there somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, it's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not anticipated many albums since watched the throne more than I did watch the throne when it was getting ready to come out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, again, peak of their powers, Jay-Z and Kanye, this is not to say that, you know, they're coming off the heels of their

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... popular they are how big their celebrity is like this is really like this is the perfect timing for this album and these are the two biggest wrappers i would say at the time i can't think of anybody that was more popular was is selling more records at that time so it's like you know it was like if tillers with him beyond say made a record together and you know the interesting is i was thinking about this in jazzy's career

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[SPEAKER_00]: who could he have paired up with where it would have been a big deal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people would say Biggie, but Biggie was at the peak of his powers and Jay-Z was not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some would say, nods if they decided to do an album like that, though from a

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[SPEAKER_00]: pop-delarity standpoint Kanye was probably a little bit higher than that because just because of the style of music not based on the rap skills at all because because he's not nauseous in that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think if

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[SPEAKER_01]: if right after like the whole take over Ethan thing, Jay and Nasib and like, okay, let's squash this beef and do a joint record because they were still relatively evenly popular at that time, it might have been a big deal, but I think, you know, kind of shortly after that and it'd be even because of that beef, Jay Z's popularity sort and Nasib's popularity kind of plateaued.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's interesting, and we're not doing a noz episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to do a noz Jay-Z beef episode, but you know what's interesting about that is when ether came out, was that the peak of noz's popularity or would you go back to his second album when he did go a little bit more pop with you hate me now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even before, I mean, that was that was little later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the long was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hey, me now was a, for a record of the year, um, if I ruled the world like it was written like that whole period I feel like that's when Nas was most popular, um, and then he just kind of like maintained it for a really, really long time, but in terms of Nas as like a.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like what's the word I'm looking for as like a a level artist I think it was just kind of like that quick blip on the screen with it was written and now it's kind of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even after ether he does God's son and then he just zags like hip-hop is dead is soon thereafter which I still like as an idea and as an album but it's kind of antithetical to what he was doing before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to me, like hip hop is dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Life is good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, like the grown-up deaf jam niles albums are kind of my favorite niles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like them, but it was almost like saying, I'm kind of done with this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to age out of that kind of, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of celebrity or what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he definitely sort of, you know, his, his music got a little bit more mature at that point and it wasn't really aimed at like having like the hottest record on the radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 2011, I'm in, you know, I'm, like I said, I'm doing car rides with my kids because they're playing AU basketball and, um, you know, we're running around town and this is a time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, I'm trying to think of what I would be doing at the age of 35-ish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My San Francisco Giants would have won a World Series, which was a big deal to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 49ers are good, the Warriors, and on the precipice, so it's still in that Bay Area sports culture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, I think...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the biggest thing is that this may have been kind of the end of me really following pop music or popular culture and music, you know, this hard, like this may kind of be at the tail end of that for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So very interesting to think about it that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even think about it that way until just right now, actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, it occurs to me a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, when did I stop consuming?

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[SPEAKER_01]: When did I feel the need to not really be on top of everything anymore?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it was a couple of years later, I want to say, you know, 2011, like Spotify isn't really a thing yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People are still listening to albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we haven't fully fallen into like, trap, wrap, or mumble, wrap, or like any of that other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so there's still, you know, social media is still a new thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we haven't fully like falling down the rabbit hole yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think for me, like, the kind of combination of

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the last tribe album, the DeAngelo record, like 2015, 2016 is when I officially like divorced myself, but you know, I think I'm with you somewhat that that was you know, 2011 was kind of like the end was on the horizon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the, you know, watch the throne that time frame again of celebrity, I don't feel like celebrity exists in that same way anymore, as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's go over the year of 2011 here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: January 29th, 2011 Britney Spears is holding against me debuts at number one on the Billboard Hot 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't have guessed that her music was still debuting on top of pop charts in 2011.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like some people were doing some stuff behind this news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was some...

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[SPEAKER_01]: some weird stuff that worked there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was like an iTunes 49 sent thing where everybody was just like, oh, sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll pay 50 cents for Brittany Spears record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know what else I was thinking about this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is iTunes, Mania, during this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I remember remembering correctly,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you could buy the normal version of watch the throne, but then you could also buy the deluxe version of watch the throne and you got like five, four songs or five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I think it was four extra songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why that mattered is because the teaser single to this album,

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[SPEAKER_00]: was ham.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you couldn't get ham unless not not that you needed to get ham, but you couldn't get it unless you ordered the Deluxe version of this album, which was kind of a bit of a trick there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so Brittany's hold it against me makes her the second artist have more than one single to debut at number one behind my carry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's also the third female artist behind share Madonna and Janet to open to be the fourth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, her first single came out literally in 1999.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So February 11th, Lady Gaga releases born this way, the first single offer new album of the same name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It became the fastest iTunes single at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It later went on to remain number one on the Billboard Hot 100 for six weeks, as well, as the one thousandth number one single in the chart's history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, Lady Gaga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you with Lady Gaga as music?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've had this conversation before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's talented.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not a huge fan of her music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like four or five songs of hers that I really like and everything else I can kind of, you know, everything else just kind of passed me by.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she was the actual person from a star's born, she'd be my favorite artist, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I didn't see a star's born, so I had no frame of reference there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna just take your word for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, I love that movie so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, February 13th, the 53rd annual Grammys held at the Staples Center, Lady Antebellum wins five awards including record and song for need you now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Arcade fires the suburbs wins album of the year while Esperanza's Spalding wins best new artist making her the first Jazz singer to win the award.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I, that was one of the first instances I can't remember of like in artist fanbase on social media going completely insane because Esperanza won that award over just in Bieber and Drake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Drake's fanbase really reacted super negatively, but the believers were they were hot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which I mean, look, I'm not even an Esperanza spawning fan, but Esperanza spawning has more musical talent in like her little finger than Justin Bieber has in his entire body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, come on man, this this guy is scrolling YouTube at Coachella, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's

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[SPEAKER_00]: on stage, just scrolling through YouTube and doing performances from YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's actually funny about that is, since I realized that we're doing this live and because usually we record and then it comes out a few weeks later, because we are live, we can actually say this, which is next week,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the album that we are covering is Michael Jackson's off the wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason we're doing off the wall is because the Michael movie comes out, which we are both planning on seeing next weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the plan is we're not going to live stream next week, but the plan is we'll have the

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[SPEAKER_00]: YouTube review of Michael that weekend when when we record and then we'll have off the wall and then we're going to do a top five of Michael, but it's only going to go from off the wall through what did we say, do we say dangerous?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we said dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So from off the wall through dangerous, we'll condense our top five there and we'll also condense our discussion of Michael from that time frame and then we're going to do another.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to say it's because we're doing multiple Michael episodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going to do a second Michael episode later that's going to do an album which is his last actual album and we'll cover that and then we'll cover the rest of his career after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to give folks the heads up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next week we'll we'll be some some good Michael stuff, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: March 15th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a sad one, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is even more sad when I realized how young this man was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nate Dog dies at the age of 41.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one dude 41.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 41.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: May 12th, Katy Perry, with her fourth single from Teenage Dream, E.T.

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[SPEAKER_00]: becomes the only artist in history to spend 52 consecutive weeks in the top 10 of the Billboard 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, you can't release a lot of Spirits on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, that was the period and it's really hard for me to believe that it was 15 years ago Katy Perry was all over the radio Like she was kind of the it person out Oh, I mean, obviously There's a lot of bad news going around about Katy Perry in recent days and weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we need Rosemann.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's uh, yeah, sending shots

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Katie Perry and also E.T.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess ties into this episode because the reason E.T.

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[SPEAKER_01]: became a big hit is because there was a remakes that had Kanye West on it and that's what sort of made it become as big as it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, Katie Perry was kind of the biggest biggest artist out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't she do like the soup?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She did this rebel halftime show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it during this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember remember when it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: May 23rd, Lady Gaga releases board in this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It sells 524,000 copies on its first day and a million in its first week, making Gaga the first person do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not remember this album selling that many copies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me neither, to be perfectly honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: June 18th, Clarence Clemens, Bruce Springstings longtime saxophonist dies at the age of 69.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why does it feel like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in real time when we're younger and this happens, you go like, uh, you know, 69, it's not that young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then when as we're getting closer, like 69 to me, feels really young, I had no idea that, you know, I just figured he was a little older than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the way that you perceive life, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, like when I think back to when I was a little kid and Marvin Gaye died, I was like, oh, Marvin Gaye's old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Marvin Gaye was 44 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's just, you know, sort of the way you perceive all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so then, uh, August 8, Jason Kanye West released the highly anticipated collaboration album, Watch The Throne, which is going to be the folks of this episode and on October 8, Tony Bennett's Do It's Do It's Do It's Two debuts at number one on the Billboard 200 becoming the oldest male with the number one solo album at the age of 85.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's the oldest person period ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's dig a little deeper into the Jay-Z and Kanye West phenomenon here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to, I'm going to ask Mike, we'll have a conversation about the black album versus the blueprint debate about which album is better on our top five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll also talk about what we believe is Kanye West's best solo album on our top five, but I will caveat that by saying,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't really listened to anything Kanye West related post, uh, life of Pablo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm legit trying to think of what albums there are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For he, remember he did those Wyoming albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think one of them was called EA and one of them was the one with, uh, was it kid cutting him together or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, kids see ghosts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the, I listen to those albums, but I didn't walk on the couch, I was like, yeah, these aren't that good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think I even listen to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I gave those one listen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not, that's not what this question is here, but I'm, I wanted to kind of go through their album releases here, because

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[SPEAKER_00]: a big part of Kanye West's success is the fact that he was a producer for a lot of jazzy's important stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I wanted to go through their albums and just talk through kind of the the time and place of where we are in 2011.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So jazzy releases his first album in 1996, which I think some people still believe is his best album, reasonable doubt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not me, but some people do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then in my lifetime volume one is the following year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember that that's more when Jay-Z was on my radar, though I believe I heard Brooklyn's finest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: before in my lifetime came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Jay-Z's reasonable doubt didn't get played a ton over here on the West Coast from when I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reason why I heard in my lifetime is because babyface was on the first single.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the second single,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... he he kind of read does the uh... Kaiser so's a thing in the video for city of mine city's mind yeah city's mind and so that that album is kind of what i was like okay i'm i'm i need to figure who this dude is and then i'll go backwards and and listen to the other album and then he blows up like crazy and ninety eight with uh... volume two hard knock life he samples the any song

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[SPEAKER_00]: How much of the success or how much of the blow up happens also because of the I think it's the movie, is it rush hour rush hour can I get a was us was on that soundtrack wasn't it yeah I mean it was those were the first two jazzy songs that really got any kind of pop radio, but even before that like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: his profile was starting to grow like money ain't a thing was a big record that summer with dreaming to pre and, you know, like the table was starting to get set for him to explode the way that he did volume three comes out s dot Carter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some good stuff on there, but there's also a lot of filler on that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, dinosaurs best work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dynasty rock

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh like a uh a label album to launch new artists and I think they were like no like we need you or else the thing's not gonna sell so becomes a jazzy album there's some good stuff on there but again like lots of lots of so-so stuff he's really trying to make Memphis bleak like some right

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[SPEAKER_01]: I respect the loyalty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if somebody, if somebody invested in us, like J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Z.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Events invested in Memphis Bleak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Memphis Bleak?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, we might have the biggest platform going right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the blueprint comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where he kind of goes from, though, volume two sold, crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But blueprint kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has the success of being a seller, but also the sole samples helped by Kanye West, kind of take his music into a different place, and then like we talked about the NaS stuff is also happening at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the blueprint itself is a moment in time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think it changed the way I thought about him once the blueprint came out, but it's not like it was his most successful album of all time or anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it feels like a moment for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a game changer, I think, because it sounded different than the stuff you'd put out before it sounded more thoughtful, it sounded more mature, you know, then there was the whole Nas beef that happened like around the same time, so like his profile was a little bit bigger and also he'd sort of graduated, you know, he's doing records with Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, you know, clearly positioned himself as like the biggest rapper out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was kind of like all of that together and of course the blueprint came out on September 11th, 2001 You know, which a lot of records came out on that day actually But there's also like that history of him being the New York artist and that being a very new eccentric album and then You know a lot of the what was current events happening in New York City around that time

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then the Blueprint 2 comes out and it is the old double album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember having conversations when it came out on ePinions because we were all right in our reviews of the album and the consensus was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it was a single album, if it was going to be so much better than the release version of the double album, and it was almost like they heard us because they released a 2.1, the blue port print 2.1, which is the best songs from both albums put together on one disk, but I remember that like as an opinions moment, like that album came out and we all were like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you, you fell for it, man, like, you know, this whole double album trick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You, you didn't need it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, Jay-Z's not a double album kind of artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what I consider to be his best album will save the mic's thoughts for our top five because I went through a lot of his discography in the last week and I think I like the black album better than blueprint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the black album comes out and the thing here is he basically says it's his last album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna retire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's retiring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna retire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The original idea for this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was I don't remember how many songs the were supposed to be on it, but the idea was one producer who he'd worked with in the past for each song and then they shelve that because I'm sure they liked some stuff with just plays in Kanye West more than he liked some of the other stuff, but this was also a moment and the another thing I remember most about this timeframe

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[SPEAKER_00]: music piracy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is post Napster, but music piracy is going crazy at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was sent a link to download this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say like three or four weeks before it came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the only thing that helped my conscience was like, I was like, okay, I'm going to listen to it because I'm a giant Jay Z fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm going to buy it when it comes out on CD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll have that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, I remember having this thing forever, because you know, you know why I remember this and it's kind of funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember going to get my oil changed and I had the album before it dropped and I was listening to it in my car and someone is probably a cute girl for all I remember but someone was like oh like that's the new Jay Z song and I was like oh yeah it's actually the whole album she's like no way so I just gave it to her because I already had it on my computer so I could just burn it again but I really remember that and so you know we the piracy thing is just out of control at this point

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I wouldn't care less today, really, about any album enough to pirate it before it comes out like I'm like, oh my god, I'll just listen to it when it comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No biggie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But back then, we had to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was, yeah, nowadays if something leaks, you can just push the release date up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because all you're doing is send them the files to streaming service.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so there's stuff that happens after he decides to come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he comes back with it's the album called Kingdom Come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like some songs on that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The album, in of itself, I don't like it a ton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are some songs because he does a song called 30 Something Where You're Like, Oh, like he's actually realizing that, you know, he's getting a little older there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And where you're like, OK, there's another sort of graduation or evolution of who Jay-Z is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess here's my question because before that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a bunch of different chances.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's an album that comes out with him and Archaealian 2002 called Best of Both Worlds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then after the fallout of that album being so shitty and the tour just dying, he's like, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not to cut you off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was so much stuff behind that album because a speaking of piracy, that album got super, super bootlegged so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that they actually went and rerecorded some of it, because it had been bootlegged so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the album was released right after, and there have been so many instances of our Kelly getting in trouble for doing

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cross illegal nasty shit that I can't even remember which one it was right this might have been like the first time he actually got arrested right was like right before that album came out and so and album sucked anyway it was not good no and so In 2004 They decide to get back in the studio and do another album And they call it unfinished business now

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's jazzy just like a bad picker of friends, I wonder, I wonder, you know, like his association with our telly is always felt like a little bit weird to me, and I'm not really sure why I, you know, maybe it was just like, okay, like this is a cool dude, I'm not sure what he's doing, but then you throw in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You throw in Aliya, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, by 2004, Aliya's been dead for a couple years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was engaged to your business partner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Damedash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then you go back and you make an album with the guy that assaulted her, like that, there's some stuff that just mentally computing is not really making sense there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were stories from that tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that our Kelly is just like out of his mind and Jay Z's just basically like I can't and they have to stop the tour, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They ended the tour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't think they that tour got finished.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think basically they ran our Kelly off that tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then to go back and go, you know what, bygons or bygons, let's do it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what I was the tour for the second one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never took it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got the top mixed up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the other thing with Jay-Z about friends, there is a time frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably around this time frame of a kingdom come, or all of a sudden, like, he and Puff Daddy are like, homies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He shout out, puff daddy on songs and he's recording songs with them and it's just, I mean, I mean, in my lifetime, that first in my lifetime album is a bad boy record, essentially, like Puffy is on that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is that song?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know what girls like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a terrible song, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an awful, awful fucking song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I mean, you know, look, the music industry,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Music industry is full of dogs, and even if you're the cleanest person in the world, you're going to wake up with fleas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jay Z's association to a couple of people feels a little bit sus, and I hope that he was never like directly involved in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, there's nothing on them, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And people have tried to pin stuff on them, so I'm hoping he's clean because, you know, then my fandom is safe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, also just like, yeah, the R Kelly Association in particular just kind of like is weird to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know what, Michael made a bunch of records were R Kelly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so you could say a song that

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[SPEAKER_00]: me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then he tried to do it again with cry and that that song sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, so kingdom come comes out in 2006.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He takes the two years off and then he does this unique project based off of the movie American gangster and he decides to record an album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess influence by the movie inspired by the movie and so he's back into the kind of the drug rap and the life of a gangster and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It that was pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's like one singular song that like is is like, you know, tore up the record charts or anything, but I think as a project.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We also forgot no one remembers this, but Jaycey did a collaboration album with Lincoln Park.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which was came out around the same time as unfinished business during his quote unquote retirement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then he comes back with blueprint three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the interesting thing about blueprint three is you couldn't even get it on iTunes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like yeah, you couldn't you couldn't get it on iTunes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You actually had to physically buy the CD and I thought that was a bummer because I was fully into iTunes, but death of auto tune run this town with Rihanna and Kanye empire state of mind like he's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's back on the radio with this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even though I don't think this album is is great There's some pretty catchy stuff on this album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's his most like pop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how well And then we get to watch the throne.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna talk about then after that maybe the weirdest album that he's ever put out Magna Carta Holy Grail if I'm remembering this correctly this showed up on like some Samsung phones or something

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you bought a specific phone, it came loaded with this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like there was like worry about whether or not you could actually, if we were going to actually be able to buy it outside of this this phone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Holy Grail would just in Timberlake, which Kanye actually wanted this for Watch The Throne, but Jay-Z held onto it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's some Frank Ocean on here, my favorite song on this album, which it's not super memorable album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite song is actually a song with Beyonce called on the run part two, which I really like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we all kind of thought like, okay, this man's done making music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of out of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I liked a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was a really smart album and a pretty well done project, I thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a mature record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not gone back to that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me neither.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really, really long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not my go to JZ album for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's talk about Kanye now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is gonna be a little bit shorter because like I said, I haven't listened anything post-life of Pablo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Kanye West, when it comes to his actual discography, we don't even really, I mean, we know of him because he's producer and he's guessing on certain songs and he's being written about a lot in

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[SPEAKER_00]: at the time what was left of like hip-hop magazines, but there's websites.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we hear about him, we're like, who's this guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's getting so much pub.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he releases the college drop out, which was one of those albums that I think we were really, really anticipating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And interestingly enough, it kind of fulfilled expectations for what it was promising.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kanye West just thought he was a better rapper than he actually was, but the music and the artists that he worked with, that thing was really smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very well done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you know, Kanye is not uh, he's not rock him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's not rockin', he's not big daddy Kane, he's not Kendrick, he's not somebody that's gonna like, wow you with bars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I loved about Kanye back then, in addition to all the things that you said, were, was that he was witty, he was funny, he knew like, he knew punchlines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he also sort of knew, I feel like he had a little bit of self-awareness that he wasn't the best rapper in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would get corny lines on purpose almost kind of if I was to explain to somebody the Kanye that I liked versus the Kanye that I didn't like any more the Kanye that I liked was in on the joke Yeah Kanye that I didn't like

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[SPEAKER_00]: didn't understand the jokes anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, well, what do you guys saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm famous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm rich.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That means that I, you know, that means that I'm actually great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, no, what made you great was that you understood where you were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was very self-aware.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Kyle Dropout comes out and it's a hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of very memorable songs on that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And late registration comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the follow up album as we've talked about is often one of the most interesting albums to go back and study because how do you follow up a true hit when you've put your whole entire life into this one album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love late registration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably love it more than most do when it comes to his catalog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the talk of John Bryan working with him to get the strings right and all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there was a lot of effort for Kanye to get certain pieces of this album right the way that he wanted it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love the thoughtfulness that is put into the music on the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he just, it felt like he was aiming to make his music as good as it could possibly be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he gets John Bryan, who is, you know, done like film scoring work, did a lot of work with Fiona Apple, just this very like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: cerebral sort of musician and you know late registration sounds like college drop out on steroids like it's just like so it's you know it's so full and it's got like the sound just familiar but it's just so much bigger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to it with your good headphones on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll you'll get some stuff in it by by listening that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then graduation comes out 2007.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember, the marketing was between, was this the one where he marketed against his war 50?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What album was this of 50s?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't the follow-up, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, this is like 50s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For example, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember they had this competition about who was gonna do more sales in the first week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they contacted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kanye Biden.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So graduation comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like graduation as much as I like the first two albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you know, you cannot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot say that musically, this album is bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's still, even if I don't like it as much as the first two, I think it's still really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it also fits your year, very good record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It features can't tell me nothing, which was an interesting single, because it was kind of like, I don't know if it's a clue about where he was going or how he was feeling or thinking, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's like a rebellious record like I imagine a lot of teenagers, you know, kind of were like to their parents at that certain point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't tell me nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get punched in the mouth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was almost like he was at this stage in his career where he was getting the accolades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was getting the sales.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe not the respect of his peers or if people who, you know, he cared about there, you know, because if there's the big brother out, uh, song on the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With with Jake, we were where he's just like, yeah, like, you know, jazzy kind of overlooked me, even though, you know, yeah, I, I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm better for my career's better because of him, but still like he's still treated me like the little brother, which was an interesting song, especially in the light of us doing this review.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just to backtrack real quick, Garrett, one second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the 50 versus Kanye thing, it was 50 cents album call Curtis against Kanye's graduation and the Kanye album sold 957,000 copies first week, 50's album sold 691,000 copies in the first week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and 50 said at the time that if Kanye outsold him, he would retire, it did not happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Too bad for us, 50 did not retire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a very unique record, which is also another tell about maybe where he is emotionally, which is 808's in heartbreak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the story is that this album, which he recorded through the old 808 drum machine,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the loss of his mom and the breakup of a relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember who the woman was at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it was going to celebrity?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it wasn't a celebrity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like, yeah, so he's very depressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's he's wearing his emotions on his sleeve throughout the entire album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was the first album where he didn't get all of those, the critical claim.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a pretty interesting album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's a

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[SPEAKER_00]: great album, but I liked some of the things that he did for sure, especially with some of the songs, but yeah, it's not an uplifting album, it's a song about it's an album full of heartbreak and, you know, yeah, it's it's not a happy record and I mean Kanye doesn't rap for most of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, you know, using auto tune and singing, I actually think that album

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and also like that album parted upon that album was a blueprint for Drake, like all of these people who were out now, who are, you know, doing emo rap and, you know, half singing, half rapping, like they, that, that, you know, there was PM done, then there was 808 in heart breaks and then there was everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it turned out to be probably Kanye's most influential album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely influential, but when people talk about his discography, they go, man, those first three records, there's first three albums were really good, and then they kind of pause.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, maybe in certain circles like that who didn't like those other but I just don't remember people just just falling over head over heels for this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were kind of like, this is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what this dude is going through, but, you know, I mean, I think the heads like Kanye's first three albums and then after that that's when like the hipsters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like in Kanye's right there.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we get what a lot of people think is his best album, which I just cannot sit through this album is easily my beautiful dark twisted fantasy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some good songs on this album, but I don't like the theme of this album almost at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hard album to listen to is very, I mean, dark is right there in the title, so it's not, it's not friendly, relatable Kanye, it's definitely like he's taking the heel turn, you know, and there are, I mean, you know, it's funny, I was thinking about that because we talked about this earlier in the week and I thought about blame game, which is a song that I used to really like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't listen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't listen to much Kanye any more period.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that song in particular has sort of age like nope for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A nice happy old John Legend sing in the hook on that song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like, you know, maybe John was going through some shit, too, but like that whole and I mean also have feelings about Chris rocking out too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know, I listen to that song as a whole is just this album is just difficult for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Easy taught me is not aged well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also around this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember when he was doing those Friday releases?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, good Fridays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The kind of made up a lot of the songs that he released would end up on this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did it from what I remember and that was a fun gimmick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was always looking forward to it and seeing what was going to drop next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a real smart marketing thing for this up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then we get watch a throne and then we get Jesus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, like, from a sonic standpoint, if you just wanted to throw it on some big speakers and just let the bass pound and the drums hit, it's pretty impressive, I have no idea what the hell this dude's talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Jesus is kind of where I start to piece out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That album to me is not very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Except, I mean, like, bound is probably the one song that I like, off that album, and that's probably because it sounds like old Kanye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and with Kim Kay on the bike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I keep thinking of what is it, Seth Rogan and maybe it was James Franco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I keep thinking about that parody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was into the gimmick of this album, which was, Kanye was going to release an album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was going to go on the streaming websites, but he was going to continue to tinker with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was going to change some songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was going to give you different versions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of had to stay up with it on the streaming sites.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, some might unfinished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he was changing so many things over the course of the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it better than Jesus, but again, if you kind of listen in 2026 years,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just demented shit going on in this dude's head, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's the whole Taylor Swift thing with Kim K and Taylor Swift and Kanye and like going back to when he interrupted the video musical words by saying Beyonce had the greatest whatever of all time like so that that was part of the marketing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't even know what the real story is like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a very well could have been staged.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't know man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just it's so weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing is so weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where the Kanye thing stops for me, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to dig in more there's yay from 2018, there's kids see ghosts from 2018.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus is king, which is his gospel album from 2019.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have Donda, which is the name of his mother, then you have Vultures Part 1, Vultures Part 2, Donda 2, which came out last year, and then he has a brand new album called Bully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just looked at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to hear any of these songs, but the guests on this album are Travis Scott.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Andre Troutman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know who Andre Troutman is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Andre Troutman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think is Roger Troutman's son.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Cilo Green.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then someone named Peso Pluma.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peso Pluma is like a Latin artist got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does like sent some of that cartel wrap type stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I listen to I got through two songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got through the one with Cilo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, what it sounds like is Kanye trying to sound like, oh, Kanye, but all of the soul is like removed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's just in a, he can never go back to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would guess, like the same, the hunger doesn't exist, the same thoughts on, you know, what how he needs to prove himself doesn't exist anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't erase his life experience, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, those,

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[SPEAKER_01]: First two albums, maybe the first three albums, it's like they were made by a completely different, not a completely different person, but a significantly different person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so now let's go through kind of this friendship between Jay-Z and Kanye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the Rock La Familia and Blueprint era is where the soul samples start to form.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kanye's pitching up vocal samples, the chipmunk soul helps Jay-Z pivot away from that kind of that puffed daddy time frame into what we said with the Blueprint, which was kind of a change up for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, Kanye is producing a lot of really memorable Jay-Z songs, H-to-the-is-o, this can't be life, which is secretly like maybe the best song on the Rock Laugh Familiable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a little bar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The takeover, heart of the city, never change was all from blueprint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bonnie and Clyde, which is a direct rip off of two pox hail Mary and my girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me, I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me and my girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me, my girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me, my girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then a dream, which is him talking in a dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm talking about that song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think like it literally takes the entire first verse of juicy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Biggie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh then on the black album he does on core and uh loose for and he's also doing stuff when Jay-Z comes back so showing what you got from kingdom come uh run this town which also features Kanye it was a pretty big hit um yeah and and so at this point

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[SPEAKER_00]: of blueprint 3, arguably, Kanye is just as big or bigger of an artist than Jay Z.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this kind of big brother phase in their relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I guess there's this moment where Jay Z gives Kanye his Rockefeller chain, which is kind of like a passing of the torch kind of moment, we mentioned the big brother song, which is an idea of like Kanye having to live in the student shadow and it's a big shadow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's always kind of being able to chase that, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you need like a goal and to Kanye Jay Z was like that goal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the North Star for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then we get to watch the throne and you know that there was rumored friction on the album and what songs we're going to show up and you know they're they're completely different artists in the way that they thematically think about music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure is vastly different so there was going to be some of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which which is interesting because supposedly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the friction was because Kanye wanted to push boundaries and Jay-Z was like, I know what works, bro, like, I know what's going to work for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to do that, which could piss some people off, like, let's stay in the lane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it sounds like that's what a lot of the friction was about when they were putting the album together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the fallout of their relationship,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's true and what's not when it comes to this celebrity gossip stuff, but supposedly Jay-Z and Beyonce skipped Kanye and Kim's wedding, and Kanye said that that was like kind of a big deal to him, like he was really, really bummed out by that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably saw the writing on the wall was like, this white chick is going to f**k this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: During a concert during the life of Pablo time frame supposedly he was like screaming at jz who was not there, but just like going on a rant on the microphone on a concert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on 444, Jay-Z has a line that says in the kill Jay-Z song, you gave him 20 million without Blinken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gave you 20 minutes on stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was he thinking?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jay, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now, you know, what is their relationship?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, there was a whole, if I remember correctly, there was a whole beef around suit and tie, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, Jay-Z and Justin, both kind of, like, took shots at Kanye and Kanye, took a shot back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some like, there is, it's so stupid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you drink, when you're bringing Justin Timberlake in a hip-hop thing, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, here we are at, you know, this is a perfect time frame for them to record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, we had heard about the idea of this album for a little bit, I think, and I think that helped in the anticipation of it dropping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just like, oh, this was an actual, like, really smart idea, like these guys or friends, Kanye's production helped a lot of Jay-Z's biggest hits,

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[SPEAKER_00]: now Kanye's kind of unequal footing with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually a perfect idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I mentioned the term luxury rap, but there was other stuff going on in their lives as far as relationships and celebrity were again, are they unequal footing or not?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think either of them had had kids

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how old is blue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe he's like 15 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was born.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like she was born shortly thereafter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The album came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

57:21.396 --> 57:21.657
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's the one song where Jayce is like, I'm about to be a dead.

57:28.370 --> 57:40.945
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's the song where they're both, they don't have sons, but they were kind of wrapping about how they would like to bring their songs up in the current world based on their celebrity and stuff.

57:40.965 --> 57:41.085
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

57:41.105 --> 57:41.225
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

57:41.245 --> 57:51.998
[SPEAKER_00]: So the recording process of the album was an international affair, moving through Paris, London, Australia, and New York.

57:53.429 --> 57:58.115
[SPEAKER_00]: Much of the albumers recorded in hotel suites to maintain a vibe.

57:58.155 --> 58:00.298
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's that vibe?

58:00.759 --> 58:01.239
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

58:01.259 --> 58:05.385
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in rich rich hotels rather than music studios.

58:06.246 --> 58:09.430
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we can only record in places where they have little tiny soaps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or like when we did the MC Hammer episode in the van or in the bus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the tour bus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't touch us in the tour bus.

58:23.382 --> 58:52.984
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they call on their friends and I think that is really the power of this album is when you can get Frank Ocean to sing on this thing like that is on the come up so Frank Ocean wasn't like Frank Ocean yet I don't think Channel Orange would come out.

58:53.318 --> 58:59.929
[SPEAKER_00]: Swiss beats, Riza, what's on this cute tip produced on this album?

58:59.969 --> 59:00.750
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No ID for Rell, you know, and then all of the all of the guests on the actual album, such as

59:18.175 --> 59:31.113
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, like we said, Frank Ocean, Beyonce, isn't there a who produces, who produces welcome to the jungle?

59:32.475 --> 59:33.196
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.

59:33.216 --> 59:35.439
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a, I think it's a risa, actually.

59:35.719 --> 59:38.503
[SPEAKER_01]: No, a regular risa did a new day.

59:38.603 --> 59:38.904
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

59:38.924 --> 59:39.505
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Risited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Q-tip, I guess, worked on a couple of songs, including Liftoff and as my bitch, Pete Rock produced a song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the jungle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was produced by Swiss beats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there you go.

01:00:00.592 --> 01:00:02.936
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that might be my favorite song on the album.

01:00:02.956 --> 01:00:07.183
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, so the album comes out.

01:00:07.282 --> 01:00:18.174
[SPEAKER_00]: And it does $290,000 digital copies, which is the biggest iTunes first week at the time, in Stel's 436,000 copies overall.

01:00:20.817 --> 01:00:24.882
[SPEAKER_00]: The singles, Otis, no church in the wild.

01:00:25.222 --> 01:00:27.725
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to have Paris.

01:00:27.745 --> 01:00:31.770
[SPEAKER_00]: And Paris, would you call it Paris?

01:00:31.870 --> 01:00:36.495
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing about that song is when they would perform that

01:00:36.813 --> 01:00:46.165
[SPEAKER_00]: the gimmick was just how many times in a row they were going to do it I saw this tour so so how many times did they do it when you went it was like six or seven okay

01:00:46.634 --> 01:00:51.121
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the only time I ever saw Jay-Z was during the blueprint three tour.

01:00:51.702 --> 01:00:59.494
[SPEAKER_00]: He came to sales a and I went with my friends, my friend Crystal, you know, Crystal from my opinions and my local music to make it.

01:00:59.514 --> 01:01:01.838
[SPEAKER_00]: We all went and yeah, that was fun.

01:01:01.978 --> 01:01:05.524
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, Jay-Z is not the most electric stage performer of all time.

01:01:05.544 --> 01:01:08.389
[SPEAKER_00]: He is not, but you know, he's just got the hits.

01:01:08.469 --> 01:01:10.532
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're just, you're just popping into the music.

01:01:11.035 --> 01:01:13.558
[SPEAKER_01]: I just found it on a set list at them.

01:01:13.578 --> 01:01:15.101
[SPEAKER_01]: They performed Paris six times.

01:01:15.381 --> 01:01:18.105
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there you go.

01:01:18.625 --> 01:01:20.408
[SPEAKER_00]: I really love Otis.

01:01:21.109 --> 01:01:22.511
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just the same thing.

01:01:22.611 --> 01:01:24.814
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fun song of Otis Redding.

01:01:26.436 --> 01:01:29.140
[SPEAKER_00]: The fun that is in that video.

01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:33.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys look like genuine brothers in that video.

01:01:34.066 --> 01:01:36.109
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all that's easy and sorry into it.

01:01:36.270 --> 01:01:39.574
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just I love that as,

01:01:39.807 --> 01:01:40.508
[SPEAKER_00]: the date.

01:01:40.568 --> 01:01:43.453
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the first single even though like I said, ham came out before.

01:01:43.853 --> 01:01:48.280
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that that that that that that just I think I kicked off the album.

01:01:48.300 --> 01:01:52.567
[SPEAKER_00]: And then what was the what was the line where Jay Z said he invented swag?

01:01:53.488 --> 01:01:54.350
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I invented swag.

01:01:54.430 --> 01:01:54.650
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:01:55.131 --> 01:02:01.261
[SPEAKER_00]: And because you can go back, I think I think it's on the blueprint to album where he has that line from that one song about swag.

01:02:01.281 --> 01:02:07.350
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's and so that's what he samples his own own line from his own song.

01:02:09.473 --> 01:02:13.642
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were to say, do you, like, do you even remember what your favorite song is on this album?

01:02:15.253 --> 01:02:15.636
[SPEAKER_00]: Um...

01:02:17.793 --> 01:02:19.615
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, probably no church in the wild.

01:02:19.675 --> 01:02:23.380
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was just saying what a perfect first song for the album.

01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:23.580
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:02:24.141 --> 01:02:24.361
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:02:24.822 --> 01:02:28.547
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, it's talk about listening to something on some good headphones.

01:02:29.167 --> 01:02:36.156
[SPEAKER_01]: No church in the wild on like good headphones or good speakers is just like, it's like you're getting sucked into a movie.

01:02:36.176 --> 01:02:40.281
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just, it's, it's just a perfectly produced song.

01:02:41.142 --> 01:02:41.623
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:49.305
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, and they've used, it's been used in like a million movie trailers, at least before Kanye got canceled.

01:02:49.545 --> 01:02:50.126
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:02:50.206 --> 01:02:52.348
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, got used in a bunch of different movie trailers.

01:02:52.488 --> 01:02:55.270
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like a very cinematic, like it sets the mood.

01:02:55.911 --> 01:02:56.932
[SPEAKER_01]: It does a really good job.

01:02:56.952 --> 01:02:59.534
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably my favorite song on Apple.

01:02:59.554 --> 01:03:01.016
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of my favorites for sure.

01:03:01.056 --> 01:03:03.057
[SPEAKER_00]: I like welcome to the, to the jungle.

01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:07.441
[SPEAKER_00]: Jay Z gives an RIP to MJ.

01:03:08.582 --> 01:03:11.425
[SPEAKER_00]: Rest in peace to the leader of the Jackson five.

01:03:11.523 --> 01:03:20.700
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think I don't know, I think maybe it's Kanye who tries to do like a Michael Scream in the background when he's gone.

01:03:22.163 --> 01:03:28.114
[SPEAKER_00]: So album comes out and it does feel like it's it's

01:03:28.432 --> 01:03:47.056
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of lived up to expectations, which I think there was a fear that it wasn't because of what the expectations were, but I think I listened to that album at that time more than anything that I listened to, you know, in that time frame and the kids, my kids loved it.

01:03:47.617 --> 01:03:49.900
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it really like.

01:03:50.335 --> 01:04:00.675
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of their age, they were probably a little bit more into Kanye stuff at the time than Jay-Zs, but then because of Kanye, they kind of leveled up on their Jay-Z.

01:04:01.236 --> 01:04:03.180
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that was kind of important too.

01:04:04.162 --> 01:04:07.568
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you know, Jay's albums.

01:04:07.987 --> 01:04:09.509
[SPEAKER_01]: are very inconsistent.

01:04:10.750 --> 01:04:20.803
[SPEAKER_01]: So people were right to be like, ah, I'm a little bit of trepidation when it comes to this collaborative record, but I do think for the most part it lived up to expectations.

01:04:23.346 --> 01:04:26.630
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the Grammys Redux of it all.

01:04:28.031 --> 01:04:31.556
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is only the one year, which is the following year, the Grammys.

01:04:33.578 --> 01:04:37.723
[SPEAKER_00]: It wins best rat performance for Otis.

01:04:38.463 --> 01:04:40.385
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what about this list of nominees?

01:04:41.146 --> 01:04:42.127
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

01:04:42.147 --> 01:04:45.170
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at me now, Chris Brown low-wain and Buster Rimes.

01:04:45.631 --> 01:04:47.633
[SPEAKER_00]: The show goes on, Lupha Fiasco.

01:04:47.693 --> 01:04:48.534
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like that song.

01:04:49.174 --> 01:04:55.161
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, moment for life, Nicki Minaj and Drake, and Black and Yellow, Wiz Khalifa.

01:04:56.102 --> 01:04:58.404
[SPEAKER_00]: How many people have been canceled just from that list?

01:04:59.606 --> 01:05:06.613
[SPEAKER_00]: That is not a great snapshot of hip hop for the year 2011.

01:05:08.956 --> 01:05:14.310
[SPEAKER_01]: Otis I would say is the Otis was the watch the throne song that got nominated in that category, right?

01:05:15.212 --> 01:05:23.775
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, that's the only song out of those five that I would even say I like All right best rap song

01:05:25.190 --> 01:05:28.995
[SPEAKER_00]: The show goes on, which is also a Kanye song.

01:05:29.836 --> 01:05:32.919
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he produced it or wrote it or something.

01:05:35.422 --> 01:05:38.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Otis, look at me now, the one that I just mentioned.

01:05:38.626 --> 01:05:49.700
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a doctor, Dr. Dre, M&M and Skyler Gray, whoo, black and yellow, and all the lights, Kanye featuring Rihanna and Kid Cutty.

01:05:51.622 --> 01:05:52.243
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

01:05:53.489 --> 01:05:55.052
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of Kanye against Kanye.

01:05:55.292 --> 01:05:55.553
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:05:56.174 --> 01:05:58.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Kanye against Kanye against Kanye.

01:05:58.277 --> 01:05:59.780
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's like really these things.

01:06:00.281 --> 01:06:01.082
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:06:01.102 --> 01:06:04.147
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, all of the lights is actually a really good song.

01:06:04.348 --> 01:06:05.189
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:06.311 --> 01:06:06.912
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

01:06:06.952 --> 01:06:10.578
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to split that vote.

01:06:10.598 --> 01:06:15.767
[SPEAKER_00]: And then best rap album again, Kanye versus Kanye.

01:06:16.675 --> 01:06:25.003
[SPEAKER_00]: My beautiful dark twisted fantasy, watch the throne, the Carter four losers, Lu way fiasco, and pink fretting, Nicki Minaj.

01:06:25.964 --> 01:06:28.967
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, watch the throne, easy.

01:06:29.448 --> 01:06:31.650
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe not so, yeah, I would say easy.

01:06:32.171 --> 01:06:36.395
[SPEAKER_00]: My beautiful dark twisted fantasy one, but my vote would definitely be for watch throne.

01:06:36.976 --> 01:06:37.816
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, same.

01:06:38.217 --> 01:06:40.339
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was actually interested in it.

01:06:40.399 --> 01:06:41.400
[SPEAKER_00]: If you thought,

01:06:42.848 --> 01:06:48.416
[SPEAKER_00]: uh watch the throne could have been in this album of the year category.

01:06:49.858 --> 01:06:52.381
[SPEAKER_00]: So the winner was Adele with 21.

01:06:54.384 --> 01:07:01.354
[SPEAKER_00]: Wasting light by the food fighters, born this way Lady Gaga, do ops and who ligands Bruno Mars, which we've talked about.

01:07:01.374 --> 01:07:01.935
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he covered.

01:07:01.975 --> 01:07:02.275
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:02.936 --> 01:07:04.418
[SPEAKER_00]: And loud by Rihanna.

01:07:06.085 --> 01:07:09.188
[SPEAKER_00]: would watch the throne replace any of those albums.

01:07:09.749 --> 01:07:11.451
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it probably replace all of those albums.

01:07:13.793 --> 01:07:20.300
[SPEAKER_01]: The, I mean, out of that list, I mean, the only album that I still listen to with any regularity is the Rihanna record.

01:07:24.104 --> 01:07:29.489
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so, I mean, I would almost say watch the throne not only deserves an nomination, but it probably deserve the award.

01:07:29.829 --> 01:07:30.030
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:07:30.971 --> 01:07:32.092
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of funny.

01:07:32.132 --> 01:07:35.215
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:07:36.275 --> 01:07:41.924
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, oh my god, this album is amazing.

01:07:42.164 --> 01:07:44.327
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like this is a good album with some nice songs on it.

01:07:44.548 --> 01:07:44.808
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:07:44.828 --> 01:07:48.013
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas like watch his throne was, you know, maybe a little inconsistent.

01:07:48.434 --> 01:07:54.082
[SPEAKER_01]: But the top moments I watched throne are like, you know, push your wig back type like major deal.

01:07:54.823 --> 01:07:56.847
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what you're no skips rating for this one.

01:07:57.828 --> 01:07:59.751
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a, I'm a give it a, I'm a give it a.

01:08:00.507 --> 01:08:01.008
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

01:08:01.268 --> 01:08:03.251
[SPEAKER_00]: I like eight things thing and eight as well.

01:08:04.153 --> 01:08:12.587
[SPEAKER_00]: There there are because if you listen to the Deluxe version, there's actually the joy, which is it has a Curtis Mayfield sample.

01:08:13.468 --> 01:08:15.071
[SPEAKER_00]: Primetime, which is really fun.

01:08:16.593 --> 01:08:18.296
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you have ham on there as well.

01:08:18.717 --> 01:08:19.899
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's ham wins it out.

01:08:20.259 --> 01:08:21.301
[SPEAKER_01]: God, move.

01:08:21.341 --> 01:08:23.865
[SPEAKER_01]: That song is just like, that's you know what?

01:08:23.845 --> 01:08:37.183
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if we're going to do with Jay-Z episode solo like later on, but the thing that's always frustrating me about Jay-Z is that Jay-Z is so talented and he's so skilled, but he makes some lazy ass records.

01:08:38.225 --> 01:08:53.245
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ham is one of those records where I'm like, I felt like Jay-Z had like some chicken nuggets in one hand and it was just like, I'm just knocked this off and you know, go hang out with Beyoncé or something like that, you know.

01:08:54.018 --> 01:08:58.505
[SPEAKER_00]: that it was a pun that Kanye really wanted.

01:08:59.466 --> 01:09:02.311
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jay-Z was like, all right, man, you can have this one.

01:09:03.072 --> 01:09:07.639
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to give you my best, but if you really really wanted one and two.

01:09:07.659 --> 01:09:15.351
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, like you think about Jay-Z's personality and he seems like so unbothered, like that just kind of makes centuries, just like you know what, whatever dude.

01:09:17.440 --> 01:09:26.497
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the cover of the album was designed by Ricardo Tishi, Tishi, I don't know how you noticed this.

01:09:26.517 --> 01:09:27.539
[SPEAKER_00]: You got this dude.

01:09:27.559 --> 01:09:33.289
[SPEAKER_00]: The gold hatched artwork was meant to evoke a sense of modern royalty.

01:09:34.248 --> 01:09:39.963
[SPEAKER_00]: And the music video for Otis involved the rappers literally selling a Mayback in half.

01:09:40.704 --> 01:09:43.211
[SPEAKER_00]: And the car was later auctioned for charity.

01:09:43.351 --> 01:09:45.677
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Spike Jones directed the video.

01:09:46.178 --> 01:09:47.582
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, sounds right.

01:09:48.305 --> 01:09:48.685
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:09:48.745 --> 01:09:52.389
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we got through 2000 and 11.

01:09:53.831 --> 01:10:01.098
[SPEAKER_00]: Also on this feed, both the audio and the video, we're going to do a top five for Kanye and Jay Z.

01:10:01.198 --> 01:10:04.522
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll probably be a little bit longer than our normal, just because we're doing two artists.

01:10:04.722 --> 01:10:08.506
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a ton of rock with it or stop with it songs for Mike.

01:10:08.626 --> 01:10:09.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy.

01:10:09.327 --> 01:10:11.369
[SPEAKER_00]: To dig right to a lot.

01:10:11.669 --> 01:10:13.671
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, though when I went back,

01:10:13.651 --> 01:10:21.843
[SPEAKER_00]: I realized, I like, and some of this is just because I've listened to more Jay-Z albums, but I had more on my list for Jay-Z than I did for Kanye.

01:10:22.324 --> 01:10:24.667
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, narrowing down for Jay-Z is hard.

01:10:24.687 --> 01:10:25.408
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really hard.

01:10:25.929 --> 01:10:39.368
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there will be some surprises on that list for both of us because, you know, when you think of Jay-Z, there are certain songs that pop up, but a lot of the songs that I like of Jay-Z are not necessarily the ones that always got played.

01:10:39.769 --> 01:10:42.072
[SPEAKER_00]: Same, same, big, same.

01:10:42.052 --> 01:10:47.081
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so that is it from here, but we'll be back in the feed with our top five.

01:10:47.101 --> 01:10:52.290
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like I said, next week, we will have our off the wall episode.

01:10:53.792 --> 01:10:59.663
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will have our review of the new Michael Jackson movie on the cool check-in.

01:11:00.324 --> 01:11:02.828
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01:11:17.108 --> 01:11:18.870
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01:11:20.371 --> 01:11:29.862
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01:11:30.297 --> 01:11:37.113
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01:11:38.716 --> 01:11:44.810
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that is it from here.

01:11:50.904 --> 01:11:54.132
[SPEAKER_00]: For Mike, I'm WU, we will see you when we see you peace.

01:11:54.793 --> 01:11:55.495
[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.