Whitney Houston's Final Album: 'I Look To You' | 50 For 50

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike, we got a big one today, we do, we are doing the career of Whitney Houston through the lens of the last album that she ever put out, which was I believe about three years before she passed away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, 2011?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was 2009.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2009 is died in 2012.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the weekend

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they had to redo the entire Grammys to make it a bit of a Whitney about Whitney.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sort of as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tribute, whoops, whoops, who goes to my mic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so maybe any kind of a tribute to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So originally when we chose this album for this year of 2009, I was like, hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's Hugh Horner and it's a good idea to kind of just plug an album and then when I went back to listen to the album I was very happy that we chose this now you could have chose any one of her first three albums and I think those are you know or the bodyguard sound track I think people would associate her but I actually like this album a decent amount it's not a bad record and what it what happens I think some of this also is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the just Whitney album from 2002.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I find that album to be really bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who she was?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't like it at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think even the production, like she's trying to like, I think she had some great experience with these dance remixes from the year before, from the album before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she leaned a little heavier into that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was just kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whitney is bigger and better than whatever this album is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then so we wait seven years for a full album again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, okay, she aged maybe not appropriately because she still has younger hitmakers on the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just sounded and maybe maybe some of it is also she's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: trying to fall into what her voice had become at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's some of that, but I actually, in listening back, I really liked, I look to you a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's an interesting take because I think, you know, the Just Whitney album definitely wasn't recorded under the best of circumstances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was pretty deep into her addiction at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but I like that record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think it's probably like her tightest record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only like 10 songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: her voice is still kind of there, I think, you know, all of our albums before, although they're more popular, they're probably a little bit more inconsistent for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So interesting, we have very different takes on that album, but I mean, I look to you as is a good record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not

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[SPEAKER_01]: amazing, but you know, it's also Whitney Houston in 2009, you know, an artist in her 40s, trying to be contemporary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's kind of comparable to, now this is, you know, just Whitney and invincible are recorded like one year after each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are from a time perspective, those are more comparable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I kind of sort of wish

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[SPEAKER_00]: What Michael did on invincible, they condensed it a little bit more like like you were saying with just Whitney where you just chop it to 10 songs and you just pick the 10 best right or you do some of the things that I liked on the the album we're going to talk about which is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You put some smart producers, you put some younger folks, but you also lean into the stuff that the artist is very comfortable with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because that's what that album is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of an amalgam of like kind of current stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then we're going to show you some OG Whitney stuff at the same time, the people who had worked were through in the past or there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we talk about invincible, because we are going to do a second, Michael Jackson,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess technically it'd be like a third Michael Jackson actual 50 for 50, but the problem with invincible is just as much good stuff as there is there's so much bad stuff that no one just put it to hatch it to and said no we don't want this like this is actually bad this is good let's surround the album with this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it was still very much the time when it was like a CD holds 75 minutes of music, whatever, let's fill up every single second of that album was songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, if Michael applied the Bruno rule and kept it to like nine ten songs, a record, you know, I think his last few albums would have been a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we are in the year of two thousand and nine now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I noticed and I didn't do this specifically for any reason whatsoever, but we've actually reviewed albums right around this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually the time and in place that we've actually done the most reviews.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've gone from like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 06 through 2010 or 2011 or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't have to get back into our mindset of where we were in 2009, but I did want to come back to our look at where music was in 2009.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go through some of the events that happened in that year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lady Gaga debut single just dance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's number one on the Billboard Hot 100 after 22 weeks of being on the chart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Slow burn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Barack Obama better better time for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Barack Obama has inaugural ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Artists included Mariah Carey, Jay-Z, Alicia Keys, Shakira, Sting, Faith Hill, Mary J. Blige, Maroon 5, Stevie Wonder, and Will, I am, performed for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was okay, I was going to say, Will, I am kind of stands out a little bit there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: February 8, 51st Grammy Awards, Alson Krauss and Robert Plant, when five

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[SPEAKER_00]: Low lane wins four awards including best rap album called play wins three awards including song of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Adele wins two including best new artist and in the same day not at the event but blink when 82 also announces that they are reuniting for tour and a new album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That Grammy's awards in hindsight does not sound like a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I, you know, all do respect to Robert Plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Led Zeppelin, but I mean, it, it, it, yeah, between Robert Plan and Cole play and, you know, this is when all the little Wayne is the best rapper alive talk was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I've actually said this on, a very, an episode of this podcast before, but as long as like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rock him and Big Daddy Kane and Nas and Jay Z and a very long list of other rappers are alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Little Wayne is not the best rapper alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that was when that talk was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, yeah, it's a very, and I remember watching that Grammy show actually, um, because if I remember correctly, little Wayne performed with Robin thick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and yeah, it was just kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not something that I would go, oh, that's an interesting year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you look at the Grammys as like the year in music in 2028,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, is that year that good if those are all of your winners?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not so sure about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, April 13th, music producer Phil Spectre's found guilty of the 2003 murder of actress Lana Carlson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Spectre who was acclaimed for his wall of sound production techniques was sent it to 19 years in prison, the following month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he ended up dying in prison.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was also a crazy MF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the stories about Phil Spectre doing wild shit, like I remember the first time I heard about him doing wild shit is when I read Latoya's book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even back in like the crazy Latoya days, Phil Spectre was out crazy and crazy Latoya.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, just just some wild he was a wild man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is sad one for us, June 25th, a fortnight before his, this is its series of concerts, scheduled to begin, Michael Jackson dies in his Los Angeles home, of an accidental overdose of Propafal and Benzo Diazopines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's sad because we're going to talk about this, Winnie Allen, of course, in 2012, the way it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, less than three years later, yeah, it's really sad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like thinking about what Michael was doing two weeks before this series of concerts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, had he not passed away?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This series gets postponed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It gets canceled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's, it had already been postponed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because I was thinking about going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in my heart of hearts, I was like, there is no way this tour, well, it wasn't a tour, it was a residency, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, there's no way this residency happens the way Mike thinks it's going to happen because 50 shows is a lot for anybody, even if you're staying in one place, yeah, Mike was clearly not in good health.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, also cat a history of like saying he was going to do stuff not doing stuff canceling stuff what had you so I just feel like it was going to end in disaster no matter what I wish you to stay alive and prove me wrong, but I also don't think I would have been proved wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you do five shows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know a lot of this was because of the money that was being put up and I'm sure insurance was high to actually get him to do this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But five shows, five show residency, 10 shows spaced out over time, I think, would have been the move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do remember the day he passed away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an awful day because not just because Michael Jackson died.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got dumped that day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got written up at work that day and then after all that happens are friend George.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah calls me and he's like, hey, did you hear about what happened to your boy and I'm like, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I like go on Yahoo or whatever the hell I was going on to at that time and you know, there hadn't been pronounced dead yet, but they were saying like he's in cardiac arrest, blah blah blah all this other stuff and then maybe like a half hour after that, you know, they pronounced him dead and the internet went insane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, we're talking about Michael Jackson in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But back in, you know, and he is as big in 2026, as he's ever been, you know, over the last 60 years, but killing every chart streaming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in 2009, when Michael Jackson died, that shit shut the internet down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, sites broke, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you remember, now I don't know if Perez Hilton.com exists still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we had a track, it was very early in the days of what is now my company of next door, but we were, I was in San Francisco in the office.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we had one of those websites up and basically they were like posting new information like every number of minutes so you're like, you leave the website open, you leave the browser open and you go, okay, 10 minutes has gone by, okay, refresh and to see what the latest thing was because they were tracking it, like there were so many people at his home trying to get information.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing about that day kind of relates to us is I was going to go hang out

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[SPEAKER_00]: with some former opinions colleagues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my friend Michelle, my friend Crystal, I want to say maybe even Greg James, who you have met before as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I want to say he met up with us, maybe in another Joel, maybe in what I don't remember exactly with the people, but we were supposed to meet up that day and hang out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we go and hang out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, every place you go, it's just nothing but Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember going to the gym after work that day and like as I'm walking to the gym, you just hear cars playing Michael Jackson music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm blasting Michael Jackson music because I'm like, I don't know, like, I want to go work out, but I'm like devastated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a horrible day from a bunch of different angles is just such a weird time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: September 9th, Mariah Carey obsessed enters the top 10 and peaks at number 7 on the billboard is hot 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The track is Carey's 27th top 10 hit lifting her into a three-way tie for fifth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The most top 10 since the hot 100 launched in 1958.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She also tied with Janet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for second place among women obsessed with the lead single of her 12th album memoirs of an imperfect angel and went on to be certified platinum by the end of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who are your memories of that album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about it in our Mariah episode, but I mean, I don't remember much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember the cover.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was obsessed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just remember that video because she dressed up like it was an M&M district.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, excuse me,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was what it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember nothing else about that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it got some play, not that long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if someone maybe sample it or somebody, or maybe it became like a TikTok meme or something, but I remember like all of a sudden, like my 11 year old stepdaughter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, oh, I know this song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, how do you know this song?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It came out before you in born.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: September 13th at the 2009 MTV VMAs, Lady Gaga Beyonce and Green Day win three awards during Taylor Swift's acceptance speech for Best Female video, Kanye West 2009, walks on stage and interrupts her saying that Beyonce had one of the greatest videos of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, he's telling us, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's telling us October 28.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first night it came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Jackson's this is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same featuring behind the scenes footage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the days before his death is released, it enters the chart at number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It becomes the best selling documentary of all time raising over 250 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw it the first night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it since I bought it on digital or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably had the blue ray as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had different versions of it, but I watched this like, I want to say, like, maybe two years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember exactly why I decided to rewatch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was for something or other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that really a movie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of what he was planning to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what's interesting is, actually looks really good in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you just watched the movie and you didn't know anything about his health,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, oh, just dude can pull this off like he's he looks great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's not seeing like he's taking like you could there are other moments where he's like taking breaks and he's like, okay, you guys do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm chilling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to sing right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But still, he looked like he was doing well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was not doing well, but at least for the footage that they had, I would have been like, yeah, man, this guy could actually do this whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there was a lot of other footage that they decided not to use, but I had the same impression when I saw the movie and as I think about it now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing in common between me seeing this is it in the theater and me seeing Michael in the theater is that during and after the movie the crowd was very much like singing and dancing along with him in the theater, which is not an experience that I've had in a movie type situation many times other than with those two movies that both feature the same person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My, my boys went with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they would have been 9 and 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ish around that timeframe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they remember that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to ask them if they remember going to see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It had to have been weird though, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: To see like this guy just died and now we're seeing him dancing on screen on screen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, knowing that, you know, days after a lot of this footage was shot, he would be gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the last one here, November 17th, the Bebes becomes the first artist ever to have seven songs from a debut album chart on the Billboard Hot 100 when his debut album My World is released.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What happened to the Bebes, man?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he was at Coachella.

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[SPEAKER_00]: recently, but what is still doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Babes is still pop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you had told me in 2009 that in 2026, we would still be talking about Justin Bieber, I would not have believed you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we came out he was a little kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in our 30s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not really trying to like listen to Justin Bieber as a 30 something year old man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there was a brief period when like, I was like, oh, this dude got some bops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like maybe five Justin Bieber songs that I actually really like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the curve is sort of slid down again because I, you know, like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's something just that I can't really put my finger on about him that rubs me the wrong way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but it's really, again, really interesting that 17 years after this dude came out and you're like, oh, he's a little kid, like, whatever, he's still very much in the zeitgeist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, you say that, and I agree with you, I cannot tell you a name of a song that he's actually put out in the last 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did sorry come out 10 years ago, sorry came out in 2015, I want to say I thought you were talking about sorry for, for 2004, big Rubin's not, not by, not Rubin's started, not Rubin's started, you know, and he's got, like, he's got, he's making songs with, like, all of these, uh, kind of like, Gen Z, R and B singers, uh, that I don't mess with either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, whatever, if the kids like it, that's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's for the kids, not for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like sold his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, sold his, uh, his publishing catalog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if his cataloger is publishing one of those things because I don't know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he doesn't particularly his early songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't write them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would imagine his catalog is worth way more than his publishing is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about Whitney, we're going to, we'll talk about the album that we're covering here in a little bit, but we'll go through some of her career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually interested in her origin story because the origin story as I know it is literally just her family is in music, her mom is famous singer or maybe not as famous as her aunt, but still very successful here cousin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and her godmother's a ritha, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think there's kind of like the way black people say godmother where I don't think there was any sort of official designation, are there official designations for godparents?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have god, you know, you know, I get in Catholic church.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you do have to actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because you're uh, you're christening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then the idea that, oh, you know, Clyde Dake, Clyde Davis, Caesar, and all of a sudden falls in love with her and wants to sign her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like that's kind of the general story, and I was interested if like that was the real story, because my thought was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If people know about her, why isn't she a hotter commodity in music at this time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And why is the story that Clive Davis just picked her and found her and was like, she's going to be great?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so here's what I found.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just tell me what you think about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so by 82,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whitney's already sort of known as an up-and-commer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's modeling for 17.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's singing back up for Shaka and for Lou Rawls, and she's performing in clubs with her mom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she had already auditioned for CBS and Electra.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, from a peer vocal perspective, how can you audition for those labels

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, like I haven't heard this before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it could have been a variety of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It, you know, it could have been we're not in the R&B business really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't really know what to do with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a singer like this, or a lot, you know, something that happens a lot in the industry, we already have one black woman signed to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to sign a second one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It could have been a variety of different things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then somebody by the name of Jerry Griffith, who is an ANR for Arista,

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[SPEAKER_00]: saw her performing in Manhattan at a place called seventh Avenue South.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's the one who went to Clive and was like, okay, you got to sign her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Clive was like, mmm, I'm not so sure about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he arranged a showcase for Whitney in New York at a place called Sweet Waters where she was performing with her mom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Clive was like, I don't know if I'm going to go and he's like, dude, you better go, I'm going to make sure you get in this car and you go and even after that, Clive was not 100% on her and then finally what actually happened is Jerry Griffith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did a little bit of Jedi mind-tricking Clive and said, you know, the guy Bruce Lundville at Electra, he's kind of on her man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you got to sign her before Electra gets her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that kind of made Clive push the gas pedal all the way down on the Whitney trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How does that past your sniff test?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds about right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I didn't,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see the movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how that's portrayed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I read the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The movie does not do it, not anywhere near what this story is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I read a few different accounts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've read Clive's book, I read Robin Crawford's book, I read a few different books about Whitney, and that sounds like probably the most likely story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but at this point, who knows what the, I mean, the one person who really wouldn't know what the absolute truth is is Whitney and she ain't here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clive in the movie, I think the movie is called the I want to dance with somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How long I'm moving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I go like four or five years ago or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I watch like the first 15 minutes and then stopped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the woman who plays Whitney actually looks more like Brandy, then she looks like Whitney for one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like they just get Brandy to play Whitney, Brandy would have done it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's her hero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She would have totally done it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Secondly, Stanley Tucci plays Clive Davis, and at first when I saw, I was like, this is so silly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Stanley, watch you like, is he wearing a rug?

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sissy and Whitney were performing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sissy sees Clive Davis come into the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She recognizes him and she pretends that she's horse and Whitney has to take over the performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how Whitney gets it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like that's the fairy tale story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a cool story, bro story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, did you watch those two documentaries that came out about Whitney way back when?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely, I was one that hit the theaters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember seeing one of the theaters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one called, can I be me?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one for my think it was on Showtime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I watched the other one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw the other one in the theater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I recently rewatched this, can I be me one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the Showtime one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I will give credit to the Whitney movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is they dug right into her relationship with Robin Crawford, like almost immediately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that story still isn't really told all that honestly about how close those two were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, like to the point of where, you know, it's affecting her marriage, you know, to the extent of Bobby being jealous and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that rightfully so in that case, if someone, if if your wife is so close to this other person and maybe even romantically at that time, um, I could see I could see it being an issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If in unless your relationship is structured in that way, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you, you look at toxic masculinity in general.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and you know, you see you is like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a dude's dude at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See that your wife is close to somebody, and you know, regardless of the gender of the person, you know, and actually regardless of the gender of anybody in this situation, because I think a lot of women in Bobby's slot would have acted the same way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If your partner is super close to someone that they previously had a relationship with,

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[SPEAKER_01]: your antenna is going to be up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, unless you already have an agreement where you're like, okay, unless you have an open relationship for a polyamorous relationship or anything like that, but if you are supposed to be monogamous to your spouse, but there is an X, like not just even on the periphery of the picture, but like in the picture, like almost alongside you, logic just kind of dictates it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would feel a way about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's funny about that, and maybe it's even ironic, is Bobby's image was of him sleeping around on Whitney.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, my understanding, and I, you know, I've also read Bobby's book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Bobby was messing around, but also Whitney was messing around, like there's a story in Bobby's book that Whitney was messing with two pop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was not on our two pocket episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was not on our two pocket episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you read Bobby's biography, he says that, you know, he felt really betrayed by Whitney because, you know, Whitney messed around with two pop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and in like the, if what do we say, like two Poc was maybe famous for like three or four years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In those three or four years, he was getting it in two Poc got around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He meant it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was, you know, two Poc was smashing everything that moved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, you know, Bobby, so you basically tell him, So it's Bobby actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Bobby lied because he said, Ain't nobody humpin' around like we're supposed to take him at his, at his musical truthfulness and, well, good, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, okay, so let's get back into what he's earlier years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So finally, Clive is like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is an interesting thing because what the song is that actually hooks him as when she sings the greatest love of all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the movie, yeah, I'm not so sure about that, but that's the movie version of what allegedly happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whether or not this is when he decided, this song is tied to him in a different way because he actually commissioned this song

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[SPEAKER_00]: for the Muhammad Ali movie called The Greatest in 1977.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking, you know, six years or so prior George Benson does the version of that song and so Whitney sings this song and this is where he kind of sees, you know, okay, like she, she actually does have, you know, the goods to be this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: It like that part of it may also be just the, you know, the fairy tale version of it, but I find that part of it super duper interesting, because like the fact that this song comes from a Muhammad Ali autobiographical film, where the 1977 version of Muhammad Ali has to portray the 1960 early, 60 version of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I see that part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew it was Muhammad Ali movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize that Ali played himself and also that he played himself 10 years before the movie came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He played cash is clay and Muhammad Ali.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so some interesting clauses in this contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clive had a key man clause in this contract, meaning that if Clive ever left, Whitney was legally allowed to terminate her contract and leave the label too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he connected them really closely with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously there's the Murf Griffin show, which is I think where people first saw her sing for the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the debut album 1985, Whitney Houston, they could have been a little bit more creative with these times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First album was Whitney Houston and the second album is Whitney.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before we go deeper into that though, I want to say that the proximity to queerness of Whitney's early career, you know, at that point, her mom was probably best known as being a background singer for Luther, it's gay, Whitney's messing with Robin, Whitney is signed to Arizona, which is run by a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Clyde Davis gets Whitney on the Murve Griffin show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Murve Griffin got outed pastimously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, you know, it's a very like rainbow colored early 80s like network that got Whitney connected to the greater world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a high grade, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, Whitney had also throughout her career had a very, very large queer fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whitney's for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the US domestic overall numbers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have like some general gauges on worldwide sales, but her albums her first five six seven albums just sold like insanely well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like incredibly well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she come out of the gate just selling her first two albums and just insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, even in retrospect, I was like, I knew she was big, but man, she was huge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only person putting up with me numbers consistently at that time was Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So her first two albums come out and it's very this pristine image that Clive is cultivating the image versus who the real person was had was always kind of this budding heads thing where Whitney grew up versus how she was presented like I remember when I first saw her I was like since when did they get

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[SPEAKER_00]: most beautiful person I'd ever seen in my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just the young went in, Whitney was attractive throughout her entire life, like no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when I first saw her, I was like, yeah, this is like the most perfectly sculptured face on a human that I had ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like this, this is like, this is what beauty looks like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then to pair that with this voice that we'd never heard before, man, talk about

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Whitney sort of won the looks lottery and won the talent lottery at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I mean, she there were, there was discomfort with her image, I think throughout her career, because she was, you know, she saw herself as kind of a hook chick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that image, there was no precedent for that image in 1984-1985, you know, until hip hop, until Mary really, there was really no precedent for that image.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we just covered Mary this last episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's 78 years away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the only real, you know, way they could have taken Whitney was to make her kind of this like glamorous whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they, you know, and she was a model, you know, she had that in her too, you know, she went to prep school, like she had all of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it, you know, there was definitely like a duality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Cosby wanted her to play Sandra on the Cosby's yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: out of in a trip for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was on, like, she was on, give me a break, she was on silver spoons, she like, she did TV, she was an actor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So after his model singer, like, she was, you know, talented in a variety of different ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the first two albums in this image that is maybe not her and you know the documentary that we both watched, her brother basically says, I was doing drugs at a very young age.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Whitney wanted to do everything that her brother did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Essentially saying, she was messing with drugs in her youth as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it was so funny because of this cultivated image that she had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When she did link up with Bobby Brown, he was the one who was given the blame for her problems and when in the reverse, I think Bobby has said

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[SPEAKER_00]: like she she kind of introduced him to stuff that he had never done before and I thought I'd also sort of heard or read that then it kind of became a competition between the two and because they both had those kind of personalities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just the idea that you know nice nice Whitney she was just you know this Bobby came in and like screwed up her life like that was not the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and I'm sure Bobby still probably

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, as, you know, Bobby, once he left New Edition, Bobby never like frontage and was like, I am this all-American, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bobby always had a hard edge, even in New Edition, Bobby had a hard edge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and, you know, the way that images were sculpted back then,

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of the smoke and mirrors really made you think that Whitney Houston was this sort of like princess type woman, but I think when you break it down, like Bobby and Whitney would much more alike than someone in the early 90s would have assumed that they were and it robins book, she talks about her what you do and cope together like in like that early before she was signed to arrest it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like back back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it's the 80s in this New York City.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, from a logical standpoint, you look back on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's like, of course she was doing drugs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was a much more innocent time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was a time when people believed what the PR machine told you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the PR machine told you that when he was this super clean girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my favorite story,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, in a journey of someone's career, I mean, it's, it's Whitney's real life, but when you kind of read it back in and you look at it and you go, wow, this was a, this was a change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's the most successful female artist out there, and it's just killing it, she's about to record her third album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The sole train to music awards, she gets booed, just her name gets her booed and she's got to sit there being up for this award in front of what she believes is her audience, but her audience is saying, nah, you're not ours because you're this cultivated thing and you're leaning towards singing to white people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then taking this, like I wondered this conversation with Clive, how this conversation with Clive Davis work, because Clive was successful with these first two albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, maybe if they do a third version of that sound, maybe it doesn't work as well, and maybe they didn't need to change it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm your maybe tonight is different in many cases from the first two albums, but it also only sells like half the albums at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was not a successful monetarily, but it probably did help Whitney from an image perspective because she was defending herself kind of in a sense of saying, this is as I get older, this is who I want to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I mean, to provide a little bit of context there, you know, I think Whitney was certainly seen as being a sellout to

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[SPEAKER_01]: a certain part of the, you know, the black audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so was Michael, so was Prince, like it was not, so was Lionel Richie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody who was popular in the 80s, uh, and even in the early 90s, like, if you did anything that was like even a little bit crossover, the knives came

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[SPEAKER_01]: lean very easy listening like you know they were very engineered to get like the biggest possible audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, at the sole train awards, like, I mean, she was not the only artist that ever got booted to sole train awards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was a pretty regular occurrence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because, you know, that, again, you know, all you see is very vote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, not even that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at, like, the American music awards are the Grammys and like, they'd be like, here, Nuke it's on the block, and there'd be boons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think just like, booing people on a award.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all, like, overly popular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you're, sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think the pivot to LA and babyface on that third album, I mean, it was certainly intentional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily know that it made with me like

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[SPEAKER_01]: more accepted in the community necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm still did well, it just didn't do like blockbuster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't do the crazy numbers that her first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very successful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that was due to the sound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So much as I think it was due to right around the time that I came out, Mariah came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, there's like competition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think, you know, radio and all that stuff again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like one at a time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can only have one woman singing these like R&B ballads kind of is the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Mariah came in and blew up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, okay, wait, you're number two now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she's younger, right younger, she's she's of mixed race as well younger more appealing to a white audience because, you know, I don't think she was directly identifying as a black woman then a lot of people just thought she was like Hispanic or something like or it's how you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so, okay, so my relationship with Whitney, like obviously you could not do anything without knowing who Whitney Houston was, like she was that big.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I didn't really find her cool, I would say, until I'm your baby tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember exactly what show this was because my brain tells me it was our senior hall, but I'm not sure if the time frame would allow it to be our senior hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just talked about our senior as well because what what year does this album drop?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1990.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so maybe so our senior it could yeah could have been our senior hall then because I remember seeing Whitney.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on what now now I'll say it's our senior and she is basically saying that one she's a little horse so she's like kind of doing this whisper thing it was our senior and she's got the the jeans with the knees cut out and so she's kind of hip and he starts asking her about her nickname nippy and so she's talking about oh nippy nippy and I was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: this woman is so damn charming like I'm like as you know it's a teenage boy I'm like falling in love with with you and I was like when where did this Whitney come from I don't remember this Whitney and I was like this is a coolest chick I've ever seen in addition to being the best having the best voice and being the most attractive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but that I always sync those two moments together, that our scenario interview, and I'm your baby tonight, and when we do our top five, uh, in the next episode, you'll see how that relates as far as my Whitney fandom is concerned, but I just thought, from an image perspective, this is when Whitney Houston became really, really cool to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that interview that you're talking about, she was on Arsenio a few times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think they had a very friendly relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Arsenio talks about a little bit in his book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, when that album came out, her image changed a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seemed like she became a little bit more approachable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She she she again, cool is such a generic word, but it also means so many things and I think people can I just identify with cool and charming like, yeah, okay, I get it very charming that's what it was to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very charming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, so

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[SPEAKER_00]: a giant success in music, and then to become a giant success in film, all at the same time is incredible in hindsight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I, I mentioned this to you recently, but I read, I watch this movie for the first time, like not that long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Winnie is not a good actress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also not a good movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a great movie, but Whitney her persona.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is bigger than her acting chops, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just seeing her in, she deserves to be toe to toe with Kevin Costner, even if Kevin Costner is the better actor, but because of who she is as a personality, you're like, yep, that fits, like she can be up there with the best of these folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that movie, while not fantastic, and it's not a stretch for her to play this famous pop star, you know, and Kevin Costor's got to be the bodyguard who takes a bullet for her at the end and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that I would say the romantic interludes between them, you could sort of tell as a little uncomfortable probably for them, as well as it's been making the movie, like it's not like their chemistry in that way is not great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's not a good chemistry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to wrap a bow on this thing, they bring her the Dolly Parton song to do on the soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it was David Foster who said, it was actually Kevin Costner's idea to open the song with Whitney Accapella.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is, which is bad for radio, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But is such a big part of this song, which becomes like the biggest hit, you know, one of the biggest hits of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll talk about this in our top five whether or not you can actually still listen to this song because of how often it was played when we were younger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But man, talk about,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just what a, like, just this time frame in from 1990 to 1990, let me, let me look at my thing here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1990, three-ish, 94-ish, like, who's bigger than Whitney Houston in our pop culture world?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the bodyguard just kind of sent her over the edge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, you know, she was up here for her first two albums and she kind of dipped a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would say really, before the bodyguard, like, at the time, Bobby and Whitney got married, Bobby was probably the bigger star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then the bodyguard kind of just like did this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird because it's the case where really like that record sold the movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like those first couple of months in 93 like end in 92, and then going into the award season the following year, Whitney was just everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not escapeer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about those Grammys because I mean, it's, you know, it's her year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she does waiting to exhale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she doesn't make an album another album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And bodyguard, she's not, you know, she does like, I don't know, with the six songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like half the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's not a whole album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a, you know, it is her album because those are the six post importance songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the songs people care about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then she does waiting to exhale in 95 and she and she and baby face put together a really cool idea for soundtrack all women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brandy's on it and Brandy talks a lot about it and her book which we will we will review that on on a on a future episode and and to Brandy Whitney is just the the biggest thing ever like walks on water for Brandy and someone who Brandy was able to actually get close to as well with on a number of occasions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She kind of had her hero became like her auntie in an or exists in a way, which is a really cool story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so waiting to exhale, now this is where the drugs kind of become a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's in that documentary we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember who said it, but they said that she, oh, deed on this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, you know, of course it's on it's unfortunate and it's sad, but it's just like, you know, she, she has a quote about celebrity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, maybe it's like a Barbara Walters interview

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the problem isn't being successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is becoming famous or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was along those lines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, it's talking about how toxic just celebrity is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for someone who already has

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[SPEAKER_00]: somewhat of a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could see how that would turn her to kind of just lean more towards that as a solution for her problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just kind of a simplistic way to explain someone's drug problem and I don't know the ins and outs of it, but still like that makes sense to me, you become too famous and very few people have ever been able to handle that success

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[SPEAKER_01]: like, you know, this is a time period when it wasn't cool to go to therapy, you didn't have social media as like an outlet to say that you're going through some shit and that famous that fame is destroying you or affecting you in a negative way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to live up to this image.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, and it's not only like she has to live up to what the public expects of her, she has to live up to what her mom expects of her, which, you know, I mean, I think that relationship needs to be explored because I'm set it on Oprah, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Oprah's like, would you have had a problem with Whitney if she was gay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're fighting this battle internally, you know, with your romantic fluidity, sexual fluidity, whatever it is, and your mom and being religious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of that, you know, that without being famous breaks people down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it's just kind of like all of these things converging at once and it's like how do you deal you deal with it by quitting the music business or you get addicted to some get addicted to sex or alcohol or drugs or all three like, you know, it there's most people don't come out of that with their stuff together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then her pops is her manager and ends up suing her before he dies and she's got to deal with that because their relationship cannot be acrimonious as he's about to die if he's suing her for like $100 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, supposedly, this was in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't hear this in the dock, but like he's got, you know, he's got side pieces and stuff too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the thing is, he, so I don't remember if the document documentary says anything about this, but the whole period of time Whitney was famous, you'd watch a warm show's in her mom and her dad would be like sitting together like being all lovely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were divorced that whole time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, talk about image, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, hold this thing too for parents or upholding this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like Michael lying about his age and kind of being taught that, you know, the way you get over is by distorting the truth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, when you're when what makes you money is predicated on untruths that just leads down a bad road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so post 95 with the preacher's wife, which is another movie, Denzel, as the angel, trying to get with Whitney, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen that movie?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've not seen that movie, Lionel Richie's in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I read that in Lionel's book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I forgot about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that movie is, it's not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is kind of fun just to see the two powerhouse of Whitney and Denzel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem with that movie is I think her husband in that movie is played by, is it Courtney Vance?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's played by the movie Courtney Vance, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is propped up to kind of be more of a common dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when the angel Denzel plays the angel comes in and swoops in, you're almost kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the angel and when he kind of should be together, not this like a more homely, Courtney B. Vanstewed, but yeah, it's kind of funny, but then the soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is that song?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe in you or you and me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that song was pretty big and there was a step by step.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they did like a couple remixes of step by step.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's still in the music zeitgeist just based off of these sound tracks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the best selling gospel album of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just, you know, she everything she touches is success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she comes back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with a comeback album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so her last official solo album is 1990 comes back in 1998 with my love is your love featuring help from folks like Wycliffe who is you know Wycliffe had a great 96 and 97 and now he's super duper famous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that album

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[SPEAKER_00]: if you go back to your 1998 self, I think that album holds up pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a bad one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still like a lot of the songs on that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Heartbreak Hotel is a jam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then again, she's remix and stuff too and getting into dance clubs with different versions of songs, Kelly Price on that album, with two songs of people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kelly Price, Faith Evans, Wycliffe, like he's Wycliffe and Lauren are on that album.

56:51.532 --> 56:55.975
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, missies on that album, uh, Mariah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh yeah, do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Prince Egypt do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is it is star studied.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then just Whitney comes four years later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She did a holiday album in 2003.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then comes back with the album that we were talking about right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked to you in 2009.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What say it like the information that I have says that I looked to you out sold just Whitney worldwide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't have US numbers, but they're very similar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they were vastly different, but you know, the seven years between solo albums probably did help people were waiting to see what she was doing.

57:38.144 --> 57:41.405
[SPEAKER_00]: She was in the public eye for a lot of the wrong reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She did, uh, she helped out her husband with being Bobby Brown that reality show, which was probably just bad news for a whole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then she, you know, she has Bobby Christina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was from being Bobby Brown or if it was just from this documentary, but Bobby is talking about how his daughter is a little thick, you know, he's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Whitney's like don't be saying that like she's too young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to grow out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got good genetics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's just dealing with this stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every kid goes through and Whitney just breaks down crying because it's struck a nerve with her, right?

58:26.104 --> 58:28.827
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is on camera and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody said in that documentary, I may have been the bodyguard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember because there's a bot there's a bodyguard who basically snitches on Whitney's drug stuff and then Whitney just fires him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he may have been him who said it, but there are so many different people that documentary I forget, but he said one of these people said Bobby Kristina never had a chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Growing up, the child of two addicts, no other people looking out for her and just no chance in health to actually live a successful life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bobby Christina dies like three years after her mom dies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The same way her mom dies, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, I don't know, that's some weird how he would conspiracy theory shit, but yeah, it's very sad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's look at this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know what, we'll do our Grammys Redux first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The 94 Grammys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to tell you who wins these awards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just interested in what you think about the, in hindsight, the, the nominees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I will always love you wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is, is a song of the year or record of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It won record of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would, would have been an eligible for song of the year because it was, it was dolly's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, record of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will always love you Whitney Houston, David Foster producer, a whole new world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pibo and Regina Bell.

01:00:00.462 --> 01:00:06.505
[SPEAKER_00]: River of Dreams, Billy Joel, if I ever lose my faith in you, sting and harvest moon kneel young.

01:00:07.686 --> 01:00:10.507
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, those are five good songs.

01:00:11.007 --> 01:00:13.648
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the whole new world is probably the weakest link out of them.

01:00:14.529 --> 01:00:16.730
[SPEAKER_01]: I would probably still give it to I will always love you.

01:00:17.090 --> 01:00:19.751
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, like I like all those songs.

01:00:20.872 --> 01:00:23.613
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's something about I will always love you that just kind of like,

01:00:24.953 --> 01:00:25.674
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it hits you.

01:00:26.755 --> 01:00:29.136
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some songs can place in time.

01:00:29.157 --> 01:00:32.079
[SPEAKER_00]: You, that song places in time.

01:00:32.139 --> 01:00:36.282
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% 100% by the way, we should have this discussion.

01:00:36.322 --> 01:00:44.990
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure what, I mean, I guess we are going to do a Marvin episode, which star-spangled banner version do you rock with most Marvin?

01:00:45.570 --> 01:00:46.171
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Marvin.

01:00:46.191 --> 01:00:46.891
[SPEAKER_01]: Not even a question.

01:00:47.051 --> 01:00:47.292
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:00:47.472 --> 01:00:47.952
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm waving.

01:00:47.992 --> 01:00:48.432
[SPEAKER_01]: Marvin.

01:00:48.593 --> 01:00:48.833
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:00:49.934 --> 01:00:53.036
[SPEAKER_00]: You can actually put that Marvin's version on a playlist.

01:00:55.492 --> 01:00:58.313
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, out of the year, bodyguard, of course, wins.

01:01:00.394 --> 01:01:06.517
[SPEAKER_00]: REM automatic for the people.

01:01:06.617 --> 01:01:10.258
[SPEAKER_00]: Billy Joel River of Dream, Sting, 10 Summoner's Tales.

01:01:11.399 --> 01:01:17.061
[SPEAKER_00]: And is this Donald Fagan, comma, comma Kiri Ed?

01:01:17.841 --> 01:01:19.782
[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds like, yeah, yeah, okay.

01:01:21.113 --> 01:01:29.478
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the bodyguard soundtrack isn't a very good album, even, I don't even, I mean, I guess I do like all of the Whitney songs on the album.

01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:35.142
[SPEAKER_01]: That R&M album is excellent, that sting album is really, really good.

01:01:35.502 --> 01:01:42.487
[SPEAKER_01]: The bodyguard might actually be the least, oh, I don't like that beligio album, I probably put that number four.

01:01:45.476 --> 01:01:52.979
[SPEAKER_01]: So what would you what would you pick if I'd have probably given it to I mean already that Ari and my mom is probably like one of my 20 favorite albums of all time.

01:01:53.079 --> 01:01:56.001
[SPEAKER_01]: So it it gets the the nod for me.

01:01:57.161 --> 01:01:59.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's go through I look to you.

01:02:00.663 --> 01:02:07.806
[SPEAKER_00]: The is this the is milk million dollar bill the first single from that up.

01:02:08.006 --> 01:02:10.867
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I look to you was the first single like I look to you and

01:02:13.415 --> 01:02:15.696
[SPEAKER_00]: Million dollar bill written by Alicia Keys.

01:02:17.856 --> 01:02:19.157
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like that song.

01:02:19.297 --> 01:02:20.377
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like that song.

01:02:20.517 --> 01:02:20.917
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's true.

01:02:20.937 --> 01:02:23.938
[SPEAKER_01]: And it also doesn't sound like, in Alicia Keys song.

01:02:25.419 --> 01:02:26.959
[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of like that too.

01:02:28.140 --> 01:02:34.782
[SPEAKER_00]: Other producers and writers include our Kelly who wrote, I look to you.

01:02:35.142 --> 01:02:36.562
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he also wrote Salute.

01:02:36.882 --> 01:02:37.823
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he did as well.

01:02:40.878 --> 01:03:04.688
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... she she read does a song for you in a old stargate production yes so weird to to do that to that song not like i wasn't not her best moment uh... why doesn't she just do it the like the way that i mean maybe maybe her vocals from in night in two thousand nine won't fantastic but

01:03:05.832 --> 01:03:19.289
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have loved a 1992 version of that song from Wissing it the way Donnie saying it Yeah, Diane Warren I didn't know my own strength, which is an interesting song to listen to in hindsight.

01:03:20.307 --> 01:03:23.611
[SPEAKER_00]: because that was the story she was trying to tell, right?

01:03:23.891 --> 01:03:25.272
[SPEAKER_00]: Of her comeback, right?

01:03:25.453 --> 01:03:37.626
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this song that is kind of supposed to be autobiographical and her comeback, and then she still falls just comes to her habit.

01:03:37.706 --> 01:03:39.408
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, that song is,

01:03:41.570 --> 01:03:46.251
[SPEAKER_00]: not supposed to be up my alley as far as whether or not I, I rock with it.

01:03:46.291 --> 01:03:52.913
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think just because it's Whitney and because of the timing, I still enjoy it when I hear it.

01:03:53.613 --> 01:03:54.593
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a bad song.

01:03:54.893 --> 01:04:03.715
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's done plenty of better songs kind of in that exact theme or, you know, in that sort of

01:04:12.268 --> 01:04:17.509
[SPEAKER_00]: The other two songs I really like, nothing but love and call you tonight.

01:04:17.849 --> 01:04:24.011
[SPEAKER_00]: I think those are really nice, nice 40s some odd year old Whitney Houston songs.

01:04:24.051 --> 01:04:26.892
[SPEAKER_00]: Like just really current, make you feel good.

01:04:27.852 --> 01:04:32.373
[SPEAKER_00]: She still got the ability to get people, to touch people in that way.

01:04:32.513 --> 01:04:33.713
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like those songs as well.

01:04:34.293 --> 01:04:36.354
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the note that I found, it said,

01:04:37.734 --> 01:04:56.768
[SPEAKER_00]: Harvey Mason Jr. and Claude Kelly pop up under vocal production and because Whitney's voice had significantly changed by 2009, these two men were essentially the architecture responsible for coaching her through the sessions and arranging the tracks to suit her new

01:05:05.851 --> 01:05:07.712
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know who those dudes are though.

01:05:08.192 --> 01:05:11.154
[SPEAKER_01]: Harvey Mason Jr. is the president of the recording academy.

01:05:11.675 --> 01:05:13.956
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he isn't, I mean, he wasn't thin.

01:05:13.996 --> 01:05:17.198
[SPEAKER_01]: He is now, and it has been for like the last four or five years.

01:05:18.819 --> 01:05:25.684
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, his dad, Harvey Mason Sr. was a popular sort of like jazz fusion musician back in the 70s.

01:05:27.305 --> 01:05:29.886
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, a little bit of a Neppo baby thing.

01:05:31.367 --> 01:05:40.059
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean anytime there's like the Grammy Awards any kind of big recording and academy thing Harvey Mason Jr. is like the spokesperson for all of that.

01:05:41.541 --> 01:05:48.630
[SPEAKER_00]: So the singles I look to you peaked at 70 on the Billboard Hot 100 but went top 20 in hot R&B and hip hop.

01:05:49.827 --> 01:06:01.990
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, million dollar bill peaked at a hundred on the hot 100, but became a global dance hit reaching number one on the U.S. dance club songs and hitting top five on the UK singles chart.

01:06:02.910 --> 01:06:06.171
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the PR that she was doing around this time frame.

01:06:07.031 --> 01:06:07.932
[SPEAKER_00]: She goes on Oprah.

01:06:08.392 --> 01:06:10.212
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

01:06:10.372 --> 01:06:13.213
[SPEAKER_00]: Oprah says that that might have been the best interview she's ever done.

01:06:15.628 --> 01:06:26.782
[SPEAKER_00]: When Whitney said she called Bobby Brown her drug and admitted to lacing marijuana with rock cocaine.

01:06:29.005 --> 01:06:30.066
[SPEAKER_00]: When did she say?

01:06:31.822 --> 01:06:32.623
[SPEAKER_00]: Crack is whack.

01:06:32.683 --> 01:06:34.164
[SPEAKER_00]: Crack is whitering was that.

01:06:34.584 --> 01:06:35.885
[SPEAKER_01]: That was just with me.

01:06:36.145 --> 01:06:40.648
[SPEAKER_01]: That was she did an interview with I believe it was 2020 was a Diane Sawyer.

01:06:40.728 --> 01:06:41.949
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was Diane Sawyer.

01:06:42.569 --> 01:06:46.092
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, Diane, I make too much money to ever smoke crack.

01:06:46.692 --> 01:06:47.373
[SPEAKER_01]: Crack is whack.

01:06:47.633 --> 01:06:49.874
[SPEAKER_01]: That's also where show me the receipts came from.

01:06:53.317 --> 01:06:53.677
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:06:53.717 --> 01:06:54.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's time to get sad.

01:06:55.038 --> 01:06:55.558
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you

01:07:01.787 --> 01:07:08.352
[SPEAKER_00]: the gravity of doing the research just comes back and just hits you with a wave, right?

01:07:09.918 --> 01:07:36.059
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I can kind of look back at Whitney and go with at least she was like the biggest star in the world and achieved all of those things which Amy did not which is what made Amy's time passing so sad because she was so young when he was young too like we're doing this show as two guys almost hit and 50 as of this recording.

01:07:37.131 --> 01:07:38.792
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet Whitney didn't even reach 50.

01:07:38.892 --> 01:07:41.054
[SPEAKER_00]: No, she actually was younger than us.

01:07:41.814 --> 01:07:45.077
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that also kind of hits you in a little bit of a wave.

01:07:45.397 --> 01:07:45.717
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:45.857 --> 01:07:57.465
[SPEAKER_00]: But like going over those memories of hearing of her passing and stuff, it's not fun because it was sad, it was sad watching the Grammys.

01:07:57.505 --> 01:08:00.167
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was sad for me going back over this stuff.

01:08:00.928 --> 01:08:03.790
[SPEAKER_00]: So she died on February 11th, 2012.

01:08:05.945 --> 01:08:13.636
[SPEAKER_00]: and it was as the music industry was gathering in LA for the Grammys.

01:08:14.558 --> 01:08:18.163
[SPEAKER_00]: Her death was ruled in accidental drowning.

01:08:19.193 --> 01:08:26.217
[SPEAKER_00]: But when they did the coroner's report, it listed two major factors.

01:08:26.557 --> 01:08:38.484
[SPEAKER_00]: One was atherosclerotic heart disease, which is the heartening of the arteries, which restricts the blood flow and cocaine use.

01:08:39.608 --> 01:08:58.563
[SPEAKER_00]: So basically, she goes into cardiac arrest while she's taking a bath because she has this heart disease and the cocaine triggers either a heart attack or severe arrhythmia.

01:08:59.825 --> 01:09:05.949
[SPEAKER_00]: And she loses conscious and she falls underneath the water and she drowns.

01:09:07.052 --> 01:09:26.857
[SPEAKER_00]: which is, you know, we always used to hear when we were kids about people making fun of Elvis for like, dying on the toilet, you know, this is a version of that, you know, people were making fun of Elvis back then to explain, like as a way to make fun of Elvis for how he was at the end of his life.

01:09:27.237 --> 01:09:31.079
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, this, this is a version of that, but it's just sad.

01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:34.599
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's ridiculously, it's ridiculously sad.

01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:40.663
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it sounds like she was really, really trying to get at look.

01:09:40.883 --> 01:09:42.624
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been addicted to drugs.

01:09:43.585 --> 01:09:44.786
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that's like.

01:09:46.026 --> 01:09:49.469
[SPEAKER_01]: But I assume that most people who are addicted to drugs don't want to be on drugs.

01:09:51.070 --> 01:09:56.814
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, for Whitney, you know, someone who's really, really trying to kind of

01:09:57.885 --> 01:10:08.793
[SPEAKER_01]: be the best possible version of herself, you know, for herself and for a child and just, you know, fought a battle, fought, I think several battles that she couldn't win and said that it had to end that way.

01:10:10.674 --> 01:10:13.697
[SPEAKER_00]: Other drugs that she had in her system, though,

01:10:14.670 --> 01:10:19.873
[SPEAKER_00]: The coroner's report said these would not have triggered her cardiac arrest.

01:10:20.394 --> 01:10:28.979
[SPEAKER_00]: She had Xanx, flexural, benedril, and marijuana in her system at the time that she passed as well.

01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:29.599
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:10:29.679 --> 01:10:32.341
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, none of that's going to trigger a heart attack.

01:10:33.242 --> 01:10:41.107
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, she was probably, you know, prescribed stuff for anxiety or depression.

01:10:44.149 --> 01:11:09.728
[SPEAKER_01]: You know so and again like I mean obviously it didn't there they're not at lethal levels then there's really not anything to say did there's nothing illegal in there But I remember even you know The idea that Whitney would smoke weed like I remember at the Grammys rosio Donald made that joke about her being a big fan of the dubies and You know people were like oh my god Whitney doesn't use drugs but I like and then like right after that she got busted

01:11:11.477 --> 01:11:18.603
[SPEAKER_01]: with pot and like ditched the plane or something like, oh, maybe one happened, maybe the plane thing happened before their Grammys thing happened.

01:11:19.023 --> 01:11:24.688
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, it's weird in, we're in 2026, you know, pot is very legal in New York City.

01:11:25.949 --> 01:11:29.612
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, I'm sure there are people who smoke weed at work.

01:11:30.153 --> 01:11:30.493
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah.

01:11:31.254 --> 01:11:35.077
[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea that it was such a scandal, you know, 25 years ago

01:11:39.257 --> 01:11:41.577
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to do our top five without the next episode.

01:11:41.858 --> 01:11:43.378
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're also going to do.

01:11:43.398 --> 01:11:45.298
[SPEAKER_00]: You forgot one person that's when I looked to you.

01:11:45.598 --> 01:11:45.998
[SPEAKER_00]: Acon.

01:11:46.979 --> 01:11:48.379
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Acon, you're right.

01:11:49.299 --> 01:11:59.781
[SPEAKER_00]: And well, I was going to save it for the my top five because I wanted to talk a little bit about a acon, the acon time and place, man.

01:11:59.841 --> 01:12:03.002
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like it's a very weird year.

01:12:03.462 --> 01:12:04.682
[SPEAKER_00]: He was all over the place.

01:12:04.762 --> 01:12:07.143
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I never seen him again, never heard from him again.

01:12:10.823 --> 01:12:18.932
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we'll bring that up in the top five, but future episodes include 1981, we're in talk about Luther Vandross.

01:12:20.213 --> 01:12:26.059
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do a couple of episodes of the cool check in, actually three upcoming that we've kind of talked about.

01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:35.103
[SPEAKER_00]: One is going to be on the new kids on the block and kind of are fandom and how, like, how did we become fans of the new kids and like, why did we become fans of the new kids?

01:12:35.923 --> 01:12:37.404
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll do one on voice them in as well.

01:12:37.544 --> 01:12:47.828
[SPEAKER_00]: And then for next week, we're going to do, I don't even know when we're going to record because you and I have to find the time to do it because we are celebrating our

01:12:48.648 --> 01:12:52.612
[SPEAKER_00]: 50th birthday over the weekend.

01:12:53.113 --> 01:12:56.576
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to figure out a time and we're just going to talk about our birthday.

01:12:56.856 --> 01:13:04.764
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to kind of look back at what we've done in this series so far and talk about some of the moments and stuff and just kind of shoot the stuff and move.

01:13:05.224 --> 01:13:07.365
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, just talk just talk through some stuff.

01:13:07.766 --> 01:13:17.572
[SPEAKER_00]: But then after that, we'll we'll put out some more of those episodes, and then we're going to do an episode on Brandy based on her book phases, and we'll do a top five with Brandy.

01:13:17.612 --> 01:13:21.495
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll also do top five with the new kids and boys cement as well in those cool check-in.

01:13:22.315 --> 01:13:22.895
[SPEAKER_00]: episodes.

01:13:22.975 --> 01:13:26.897
[SPEAKER_00]: And we, you know, we got some big guns that we've been holding back on.

01:13:27.217 --> 01:13:29.498
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we tried a tribe called Quest.

01:13:29.718 --> 01:13:30.619
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't done yet.

01:13:30.659 --> 01:13:32.959
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't done anything beyond say yet.

01:13:33.480 --> 01:13:42.423
[SPEAKER_00]: There are two albums that I'm so excited to do though the discographies aren't super wide and far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is Frank Ocean and Solange Nomes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because of the albums that they had put out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have so many big ones to come and thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you all for being here and hanging out with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for now, we will as some say, bid you a do, did you do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll be back with the top five on Whitney Houston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Mike, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you peace out.