ATCQ's Low End Theory, the Rapaport Doc, Phife's Death & Their Final Album | 50 for 50

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like, this is a biggie for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's a biggie for you as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Biggie for both of us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tribe called Quest 1991, low in theory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to dive deep into this album, but we're also going to dive deep into their career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure if the normal length of the show is enough time, but we're going to do our best to get through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I want to say, you found them before I did for sure, because I remember hearing Bonita Applebaum, but I don't really remember the first album all that well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the low-end theory comes out, and I'm like, okay, how can I get everything that sounds like this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when would you have found the right way when the first album dropped?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was pretty close to when the first album dropped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I remember hearing Q-tip on buddy by day last soul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's on me myself, and I also, and in the video, and didn't put two and two together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know who this dude was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, uh, like the first video that came out from the first album was I left my wallet and else a gundo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we had this, we had a video show in New York City called Video Music Box that would come on after school every day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they would play like all the latest hip-hop videos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And basically, that video a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say like early 1990, you know, it was kind of when I first heard a tropical quest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I bought that tape right away, like, you know, so I was definitely in early adopter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's uh, I knew you would would have been and it's kind of one of those things where, you know, it's a lot of it is place in time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The West Coast isn't really listening for a child called Quest, you know, until.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they were like forcing down the door and everybody had to hear them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, and I saw enough of them to know who they were when the second album came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was blown away and a lot of my, I guess, you always need to be introduced to things by somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember playing high school basketball, our team was, I would say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say there was like one white dude, some other races and then half black.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember a couple of guys on the team who were listening to the tape in the walkman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I kind of know that I've heard the song on the radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do I get the CD?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do I find this without really letting them know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you listen to this, it is now important for me to listen to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be part of this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get closer to my teammates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're listening to this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do I do it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And really, that was my influence to really go find it by the CD, listen to the CD, absorb the CD, and then strike up the confidence to talk about this album to them as if

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[SPEAKER_00]: this is like always been my lane right so that's it's a very big memory for me uh when when I first heard uh low and theory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, before we dig into the story of Tribal Quest, the story of the Low End Theory, we are going to also dig into the year of 1991.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of stuff happening in 1991 was a very pivotal year in music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited to kind of dig through this a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This might be the longest one so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start January 15th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just turning lights off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and by the way, people who are watching this on video, my tribe hat is kind of funky with the lettering and the reason is I use a green screen and so when you have green things, the green screen kind of reacts to them like they're see through and so I also have my tribe shirt, but anything that is green is probably doesn't look green because of I have the green screen behind me, so that's just why my hat looks kind of funky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the word tribe on your shirt or on your hat is supposed to be green the out the whole outline of it is green It looks white yeah, it's it's it's like heavy green heavy red heavy black heavy white and you just can't see the green

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, January 15th, 1991, and all star rendition of the John Lennon song give piece of chance is released featuring Yoko Ono Levitt, Lennie Kravitz, Peter Gabriel, Alana Miles, Tom Petty Bunny, rate, why is the chorus of the song still in my head to this day?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's catchy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've right when I read that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just started like hearing it in my head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: January 16th and 6th annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony is held in New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The event goes forward despite a tense atmosphere caused by the president's announcement of the Gulf War the same evening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The inductees are Ikantina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Reed, John Lee Hooker, La Verne Baker, the birds, the impressions, Wilson Pickett and Howlin Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The same day of the war announcement is in ceremony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, January 18th through the 27th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one is weird and I had to ask you if you even remember this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A nine-day festival called Rock in Rio 2 is held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The headliners are a ha, Prince.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I annex that, I annex that, I annex that, I annex that, yeah, guns and roses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The new kids on the block, George Michael and happy Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think I knew what that was as it was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was, like after the fact, I remember reading, you know, magazine articles or whatever about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the acts on that bill was run DMC and they did a video for a song called Faces and that video has I think a part of it was shot in Rio and I remember like Jordan is in the video there's a bunch of people from the rock and Rio show in the video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that's really like the end, you know, the only memory I have of that and only other thing I know about that festival or whatever is that apparently is where George Michael met like his first boyfriend or something like wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh January 19th Janet Jackson with the seventh single from rhythm nation level never do without you becomes the only artist who have seven singles from the same album chart in the top five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Indeed, look at Janet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Still a record to this day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think February 20th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The 33rd annual Grammy Awards are presented in New York, hosted by Gary Shandling, Quincy Jones is back on the blockwinds album of the year, Phil Collins and other day in Paradise Winds, record of the year, bet midlurs from a distance winds, song of the year, Mariah Kerry winds best new artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: March 1st, Nielsen sounds scan begins tracking sales data for a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Explain that a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, try to sound scan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the Billboard charts were tabulated, basically Billboard would call record stores and record stores would basically tell you what their top 10 or top 20 sellers were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't scientific.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of times people were going off the memory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, depending on which sales clerk or whoever you got that day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times, record companies would influence people at the record stores to like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: run some numbers up, run some numbers down, like whatever, and I remember when I was working at Tower Records, we had our singles buyers, name was Eddie Vega.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember the first time I went to Eddie's apartment, he had all these golden platinum records on his wall, and it's not like this dude was making a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a dude living in like the South Bronx.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in, you know, 90s New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I was like, oh, how did you get all these plaques?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, well, when Billboard called, you know, when Billboard called and asked for like the top 20 singles or whatever of the week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before that, you know, Columbia or whatever record label would call me and they'd be like, hey, if you take this and I'm just making up people here like Mariah Carey or CNC Music Factory record and you tell them that it was like number one number two and it sold this amount of records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At a certain point, we will give you a plaque for that record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was very much, you know, it wasn't exactly pale, but it was kind of pale-ish and sound scan made it so that the numbers were accurate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anytime a record was a barcode was scanned at a record store.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That number went into like a global system, and it was tabulated by sound scan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the billboard charts became way more accurate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so March 11th,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Janet Jackson signs a $30 million contract with Virgin records, making her the highest paid female recording artist ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is where it gets weird because only about a week and a half later, Michael signs a contract with Sony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the number that I'm seeing is for a billion dollars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it must have been for like lifetime stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was a billion dollar deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think obviously, I mean, first of all, obviously Michael and Janet had conversations about that beforehand, you know, Mike was like, Janet, I let you have the shine for a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, I'm gonna come in and obliterate you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it wasn't a billion dollar deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because imagine, I mean, Mike died in debt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine how much debt he really would have been in had Sony advanced him like a billion dollars, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure it was a huge, huge deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where is my, where are my notes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then in the same day, March 20th, Eric Clapton's four-year-old son Connor dies after falling 49 stories from a New York City apartment window, which inspires Clapton to write tears in heaven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe, you know, on a serious note, is the reason why all of us in New York are now required to have window guards on our apartment windows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's part of the reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... march twenty seven new kids on the block star johnny wallberg is arrested and Louisville okay for a letter setting his hotel room on fire what was down he doing i don't know man with did to was he done on the show let him ask him to talk about this was he like smoke in or something who the hell knows

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[SPEAKER_00]: May 10th, Truth or Dare, a documentary chronicling singer Madonna's 1990 blonde ambition tour is released to theaters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've been thinking about how to have a discussion about Madonna and I was like, what if we kind of go a little left and make it about one of her movies and then use that to kind of discuss her career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned desperately seeking Susan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This truth or dare might be an interesting one too to kind of like just be the jump off to the Madonna conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at least truth or dare is more about her music and it's not just like a movie she's in as an actress, she also does have a new album coming out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, what is a what is a 26 but Donna album in a sound like probably not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know she has a song of Sabrina Carpenter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, oh God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're called mom and grandma.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, all right, guess I guess grandma and granddaughter right Sabrina's like, I mean, yeah, I mean, I would assume that there's probably 40 years of age difference between Madonna and Sabrina Carpenter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I see Madonna's her her face is her interesting looking these days and I think like I, you know, that that is not even me like trying to make fun of her it's just kind of pointing out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what the expectation is for someone like Madonna to look like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, bro, woman her age.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think you're supposed to look a certain way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know I she's clearly had some work done but but also by the same token she's also uh i think uh been incredibly help conscious you know Madonna was working out before it became cool for like musicians to have six packs and shit like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you uh once the last time you saw a league of their own in the 90s Madonna is a powerhouse in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean and you know what she is like no shade she is legit a good

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, you know, all of the kind of the things, like, you know, I'm not sure Madonna was necessarily like, model attractive, like the way that people would perceive attractiveness, like she had a distinct look to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She had a very sexy appeal and charm to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in that movie, that might be the perfect version of Madonna, like everything hitting at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's so good in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know that there was ever a moment when Madonna was like hot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Madonna's always been very sexy and aware of her sexiness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, when someone is sort of in control of their sexuality, like that, it makes them more attractive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a confidence thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She got a big daddy came to post them there, but they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But as naked in the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: May 10, aren't I?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: May 25th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Billboard 200 album charts start incorporating electronically monitor sales data provided by Nielsen SoundScan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: July 2nd during the user illusion tour, Axel Rose Assaults, a member of the audience watching the show on camera after security fails to respond to the singer's orders to confiscate the camera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After the attack, Rose Angerly says, thanks to lay mass security, I'm going home and storms off the stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was this a video camera or a point and shoot camera?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he would not foresee the future where every concert has people on their own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A million cameras.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he'd only known, I guess the only person who can actually figure this one out is Dave Chappelle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had put the cameras away before the show start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Prince, Prince, you should do that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, August 27th, Dr. Dre pleads no contest to charges that he beat up a woman at a West.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hollywood nightclub in his sentence to 24 months probation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't have it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was D Barnes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that D Barnes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was D Barnes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I why didn't it say D Barnes then when I looked it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not like she's a nobody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: September 10th, Nirvana releases the single for smells like tea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: September 27th or sorry, September 17th, guns and roses released their full first full length follow up to their debut album appetite for destruction and the form of the double album use your illusion one and use your illusion to both go on to sell a combined excess of 1.3 million in the first week of sales in the US alone, do you remember that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it was a big deal because I mean, people weren't really releasing double albums like that brand new material and they didn't release like a double CD, they released two separate CDs, so you know, you were paying 1599 twice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: or you bought one of the other or whichever, but yeah, I mean, you know, Gunson Rose is was the biggest rock band out and it was, you know, a very big deal, even for someone who, you know, I didn't really listen to that type of music very much at the time, but it was definitely like very newsworthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Retrospectively considered by critics to be a seminal date and music history, never mind Nirvana's sophomore album, the low and theory, tribe called Quest sophomore album, blood sugar sets sex magic red hot chili peppers and the fourth album from the pixies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All release on the same day, so a big day in music releases there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a big, big release day, November 14th, the new Michael Jackson music video, Black or White, for Mayors and 27 countries, to an audience of 500 million people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would actually be interested in someone auditing that number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Controversy is immediately generated by the videos last four minutes in which Jackson

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[SPEAKER_00]: causes a building to explode and just grabs the hell out of his crotch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if people were so mad about him breaking shit, but there was a lot of crotch grabbing in that video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the reason for it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that song is not a violent song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a violent song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the reason behind it is Michael wanted to be on the news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the reason behind it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it also was on prime time TV because that video premiered right after the Simpsons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On network TV broadcast to everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Michael wanted to make a statement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wanted people to be talking about them

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[SPEAKER_00]: November 24th, Freddie Mercury lead singer of Queen dies from age-related complications to the age of 45, one day after making the disease public in London.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: November 26th, Michael releases his worldwide hit album Dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It comes four years after Baton goes on to sell more than 32 million copies worldwide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I ran my ass to the record store to buy that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I had it initially, but my sister had it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like I kind of had it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: November 30th, following the steps of the Billboard 200, the Billboard Hot 100 also begins a new era by incorporating and merging electronically measured sales and aeroplane data from sounds can and BDS respectively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the charts are a changed essentially forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about a tribe called Quest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like they are a little bit older than us, yeah like five, six years, but they're like geographically, not that far away from you growing up, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're in, well, five in tip and Ali grew up in Queens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say if you're driving from where I live now to where they grew up, it's probably like a 45 minute drive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jerobe grew up in Brooklyn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Drobe and I actually went to the same high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he graduated before I started so you know there was no overlap but uh yeah I mean you know the York City's New York City so yeah they didn't grow up altogether that far from me and actually Lyndon Boulevard which uh QTIP talks about in check the rhyme um stretches from Brooklyn into Queens and I grew up like right off Lyndon Boulevard in Brooklyn side and he lived you know

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so obviously the tribe call a tribe call quest Q tip five dog they were childhood friends and I I rewatch the Michael Rappaport documentary because I I just it's just like it's it's the one piece of

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... one piece of content that kind of just spans their career until a story and i know q-tip himself maybe wasn't happy with the story he i could see why because he came off

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty cold in some instances in one specific interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came off pretty cold when the documentary is shot oddly too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there are some scenes of the documentary where you're like, okay, like I understand that shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're sitting this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're turned to the camera correctly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in another time, it's like cameras like this and like cute tips, giant face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it like it's just weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine, I imagine that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: once they figured out what they had, they had to piece together stuff that they didn't even really think that they were going to use.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be my guess as to why the documentary looks the way it does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even though QTIP doesn't like it,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel real and raw in a way that I don't know, a written piece or, you know, an oral history or whatever would work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this thing feels like, oh my gosh, we're watching these guys almost like it's real time and these guys are just breaking up, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was just like I had to rewatch it to kind of go through it again and I knew I was going to get like I was going to feel bad and I was going to get sad watching these guys who are lifelong friends just, you know, bigger like brothers and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it Masio from De La who is screaming like no like when they're starting to kind of like push each other is I don't remember who was yeah it's been a while since I've seen the movie But you know, I watch that movie in the theater.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me and you know, I

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do remember coming out of that movie feeling like, man, tip is kind of an asshole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like snobby and standoffish in certain elements.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are other parts where he's really charming and really like, but you could tell that one day that he shot that interview, he was feeling some sort of way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sort of way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, maybe he thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vibran thing was really going blow him up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just, I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've worked in the industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I work in long enough to know that creative people think and feel a certain way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a certain amount of entitlement that some creative people have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is an interesting relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a relationship that started out as like childhood friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then tip kind of brings faithful along for the ride, for his music career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's the infamous quote where fight was like, you know, I'm not trying to be Tito.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No disrespect to Tito.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's Diana Ross and my supposed to be Florence Ballard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, you know, the dynamic of that relationship changes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I think tip was frustrated at the fact that fight didn't really take good care of himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of all that stuff builds up and it's just a very complicated relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what that will be did really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not going to say a lot of good things about Michael Appaport because he has not proven himself to be like a great human being.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is that he captured the dynamic of that relationship really, really well, you know, and it's just, you know, the bottom line is that two people who have shared all of this together are going to have a very complicated dynamic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the kids probably didn't like that movie so much because it was real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, and it probably made him second guess the way that he handled some of those questions and yeah, it's probably a lot of regret in there as well, no doubt and you know that the facts of the matter is this story ends and a happy note.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they so as we'll go through it they do break up and they have these issues and they're trying to get that you know they're getting paid a lot of money to just get back on the road and do these concerts right and they cannot keep it together just do these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then do you remember the story behind that tonight's show performance in 2015 that kind of kicked back everything back off?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a search for it while we talk because it's the one thing that I was like, oh, yeah, forgot about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it was, you know, there was a 25th anniversary release of People's Extinctive Travels, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which had like a bunch of renexes on, I think, for railing like Jay Cole and shout out to my man,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think the reunion performance was specifically to promote that release.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that's maybe it's just as simple as that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they weren't interested tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Jimmy Fallon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that show, I don't know if it was determined before they did it or just they felt the magic was back or whatever, but then they secretly started recording what would

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so getting back to kind of the origin story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Q tips first, rap name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this correct, MC Love Child?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard that before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is when he links up with Ali Sheed Muhammad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're making demos over Q-tips, pause, tape, beats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They take a lot about that in the documentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Five, join shortly after, and then Jerobi comes in, and they start calling themselves

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[SPEAKER_00]: the crush connection, which I think then becomes quest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then is it somebody from the jungle brothers who says that they should call themselves a tribe called quest instead of just quest?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that sounds right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not 100% sure, but that sounds like what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or what I've read happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Q-tip is then on two jungle brothers tracks, black is black in the promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they create and the formation of what becomes the native tongues, a loose family of groups, jungle brothers, dales, soul, tribe called quest, Queen Latifah's in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's one other group, Brent, Brent, Newbion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they weren't really native tongues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we caught like the major ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was, major ones was jungle tribe and daylight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then everybody else is kind of like a satellite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, um, by early 89, they sign a demo deal with Gethin, and they get passed over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gethin decides not to sign them, but they're still kind of hot out there as like the next big thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they go with Jive Records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then Jive gives them a little bit of the creative freedom that they're looking for, which then creates the 1990s debut people's instinct of travels and the paths of rhythm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what the marketing team felt about that album title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like, how do you sell that title?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't work in 2026 because you can't hashtag that shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe it becomes PIT.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, T, P, O, R. I don't know about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It fits, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, 2026 marketers would not know what to do with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, thank goodness that they signed with Jive because Gethon, the Gethon did not have a history with hip hop and the first rap act that they actually did end up signing and turned out to be the roots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe five years after a tribe called Quest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the roots cannot exist without tribe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the roots, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that album drops and can I kick it putting it to Applebaum?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are historical hip-hop songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll go back and go through the discography, but I wanted to talk about some of like the kind of like the interesting stories about this this group as a for some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They aren't always a for some, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After the first album,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jerobe is like, I have other dreams, you know, I am into culinary arts and I think there's actually songs from a low end, the low and theory with him on them, but since he left, they just cut him out of the album completely, but he did record some stuff for the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to keep your real jerobies not really on the first album either, I feel like he's most the most you ever hear from him is on the last on the last album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, you know, jerobies there as.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, five main man really, like they were so close to the point of later in life as fight could, you know, five moves to Atlanta at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's actually before midnight morauters and or maybe is the right after midnight morauters, right around the night frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he's got his diabetes, which we'll talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Jerobi just sees him struggling at some point and just goes to live with him to try and set him up, you know, feed him correctly, have he watches diet and like that's how close that those those dudes were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: five sub diabetes at at he was diagnosed in 1990 literally one month after the low and theory sessions wrapped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is it is I think it says his mom have it or something like there's there's a family connection there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean diabetes is hereditary so I mean usually hereditary so that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, when you're touring and when you're traveling, it's not easy to get your exercise in, it's not easy to eat well, it is really a bad, a bad life to have diabetes, right, and he just continued to get worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the documentary, he basically calls himself a sugar addict.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like just like any other drug I was an addict to sugar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like even when I was able to stop eating breakfast cereal and I was stop eating Snickers and all these candy bars,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would just drink fruit punch all day long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know, that, that's a real thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he even mentions in the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in the documentary where he called, I forget the song where he calls himself the funky diabetic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, he kind of regretted it a little bit because people would basically check up on him and be like, how, how's, you know, how is the diabetes, and and.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm sure he wanted to promote that everything was going good, but obviously he was struggling with it pretty much for the rest of his life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, you know, I've tied two diabetes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it is not an easy thing to deal with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, hey, when you're when you get diagnosed as an adult.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In your used to eating certain foods up to a certain point, like to just stop cold turkey eating those foods or even a regulated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very difficult thing to do, like diabetes, basically tells you to like rip your life up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and like do it different, the same with, you know, most other chronic illnesses, and, you know, there's also an unfairness to other people around you being able to eat whatever they want, you can't eat what you want, and, you know, I'm certain that the way he grew up and, you know, five parents are from Trinidad, you know, my parents are also from the Caribbean, like Caribbean food is carb-heavy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, like, there have been tremendous strides in the way that diabetes is managed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even in the last 10 years, since five passed away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, GLP ones didn't exist 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, it's been 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just took 2016, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, you know, it's kind of crazy, you know, they the, uh, proliferation of, uh, you know, keto diets, carb free, low carb stuff, sugar free stuff that tastes kind of the way that regular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: food tastes like all this stuff is still fairly new.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, had he been diagnosed in 2010 or 2020 instead of 1990, sure that his life would have been elongated because the options were just, you know, options are just greater now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this kind of creates a little bit of a kind of maybe even the beginning of the rift between Q tip and five because I think by the second album, the one that we're gonna talk about, you know, five wanted a bigger role and Q tip and this is so interesting in the way that both of these guys are, at least portrait and from things I've read and watched,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Q tip is, even though he is the abstract, he is very structured in how this group works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is how it has to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure he felt that he had a lot of responsibility to make sure that this thing continued for him and his guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And five, seem to be a little bit more like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an hour late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was supposed to have bars for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me go sharpen them up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me go, you know, that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to someone like Q tip who's like, I told you like a hundred times that this is this, this is this, you could see how the frustration could build on both guys, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tip is obviously like a discipline due.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is definitely all about the art of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can tell that difference between the first and the second album, the first album is basically a Q-tip solo album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fife is barely on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, even the production, it was revealed like retroactively that tip did most of tribes production.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you were made to believe that it was Ali Shahid Muhammad because he was the DJ, but you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: early on, pretty much the sole creative person behind the Tribe call quest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the big revelation about the low and theory was like, oh, shit, this other dude is nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, you know, like, fight his coming out party isn't MC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like a whole bunch of like dynamic shifts that happen over the course of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then you add five's illness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this group means a lot to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to take care of yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not only for you, but for us because we have just caught a wave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are about to explode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be all of us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was hard on Fife, you know, he's a young man, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, he's still a teenager at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe getting closer to 20, but for Fife to have the responsibility of this diagnosis and now his group members rely on him because he's just blown up on on a low-end theory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you could see a lot of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we mentioned Gerobi leaving, you know, as we've talked about historically on this show when we talk about groups TLC having to split the money and you would think that they'd all be millionaires and they weren't because if you explain on the TLC episode go back to listen at TLC episode if you want to hear Mike explain the music business when it comes to groups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, same thing with these guys, there wasn't, it's not like they all just turned into millionaires after being a successful group in Jerobi was like, this is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I got this other thing that I want to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I also, that's cut you off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't ever worry about cutting me off because you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I rely on you to come with a lot of knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so even if I'm a little off on something and I know you feel bad sometimes you're like, ah, I'm correcting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about that at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you are here and why you are you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't help having a banner scarred.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like those, those, first of all, the disparity in sales between a tribe called question TLC is huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: low and theory went gold, but it went gold like a year after it came out and went platinum like years after it came out, whereas TLC is selling five, six, seven million records at a clip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Five did say he had more condoms than TLC though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, well, you know, it is the responsibility of the man to have the condoms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to five dog for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm pretty sure like that first album may be sold a quarter of a million, 300,000 copies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's first year, year and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: About show money is coming in, whatever, and Jerome is like, man, I am the lesser fourth of this group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm probably broke his hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, going to culinary school is probably like the move for me, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, so I, he probably made the right decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So five moves that Atlanta after the Midnight Marauder's album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Q-tip probably believes it was a chemistry thing, you know, with him being so far away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I think it was Chris Lighty in the documentary was saying how it probably shouldn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Q-tip admitted like, yeah, just like all of us together like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's a little bit of a power trip or a control trip there, you know, and you could understand from five perspective, why did he want to get away?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to start a life, maybe with his lady and Atlanta's better place for him possibly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, lots of different reasons, but it was it's a thing that you look at and

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, uh, five would say that, you know, he would, he would fly in and nobody would be there and sessions would be canceled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so logistically, you know, maybe there was communication errors that that were happening at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had forgotten about this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1994 Q tips, record collection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's burned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it that early?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was later than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he lost all his shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how much of it he was able to get back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he got any of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what to rebuke, I mean, he had to rebuke it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm just thinking of the, you know, I'm sure he has an insane brain of thinking, you know, all the things that he would have needed or all the records that they use to recreate stuff like I'm sure he probably does have that insane kind of brain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I imagine by 94, his vinyl collection was probably in thousands, yeah,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't 2026 vinyl world where like you have discogs and everybody knows how much it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where you could go create digging and you can find like dope shit for like a dollar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then we talked about them getting back together in 2015, late 2015.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And five dies, March 22nd, 2016 at the age of 45 from complications of diabetes, his kidney function had declined for years, his wife was the transplant in 2008.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the album is released in November of 2016.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, I didn't even really think about how long it was when he passed until the album had come out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, nobody knew the album existed until after he passed away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whoop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, actually, let's talk about this here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That last album, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: My memory is Donald Trump is elected and that album comes out like very close to that time frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And without that album, I would have been so I mean, I was frustrated, like terribly frustrated with how that turned out, but I feel like that album helped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was just, it was a reflection of the times, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, all of this stuff is going on politically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, 2016, like five dyes, prince dyes, David Bowie dyes, George Michael dyes, like, you know, it just felt like it felt like shit was falling apart in very real time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to have this tribe album come out and also to have it be as good as it was

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like it felt very bittersweet, like here is just great piece of art and we're never going to get a piece of art like this from these people again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we've talked about the new Jack swing time frame and and how that changed the sound of R&B, I feel like this sound from a tribe called Quest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an opposite statement, but it is a little bit of like a, we're actually going to go deeper into the history of music and unplug these things that have been overlooked for all of these years because the glossiness and the

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the flashiness of of of New Jack Swing when you listen to tribe like it is not glossy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is not flashy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And jazzy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is kind of an unearthing things and sounds that maybe I wouldn't even think to listen or to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, in I was listening to the bug an out before we started talking and on that song like tip explicit you explicitly is like, you know, I'm a colleague of the plug on R&B and he definitely saw tribes sound as kind of like an anti.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but the flashingness of like R&B production and, you know, what albums like the low-in theory ultimately ended up doing was basically creating what people now know as me also, you know, whether it's Rafael Sedique or, you know, who worked with tip and tribe on a number of times back and forth or, you know, the Angelo or common or the roots or, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eric Abadu, like all of that stuff kind of pulls from the sound of albums like low and theory, and it got to give a shout out to a guy who engineered most of those albums about power in the past away a few months ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and, you know, I think he was as big a part of that sound as any of the people who actually got like, you know, artists credit on the albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're one that mentioned him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Seaman's furniture is his favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this his favorite?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't did he actually say that on the documentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that's his favorite line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't even see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been so long since I've seen the documentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know like going back and read what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I've seen this documentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I literally bought it off of iTunes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when it came out, I've probably seen this thing like five times, but it'd been so long that I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, all the people that Questlove has mentioned on his podcast or now on this video on this documentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, yeah, absolutely, you know, um, and we can talk, we'll talk about Siemens furniture later, but, you know, that's one of my favorite triblines too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The shout out to Bob Power is incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I guess it will, the reason why I brought up this new jax wing thing is because so hip hop is in this space, you have the west coast sound, you have this burgeoning neocoles sound and then as the mid 90s to the late 90s hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the bad boy puff daddy sandwiching now going back to this like real flashy like repetitive radio hit kind of style and it would it makes sense That tribe really doesn't fit in this time frame now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However When Q to go solo He attempts to fit in to this sound

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is an interesting contradiction, but at the same time, he probably felt like he had to be a little bit of a chameleon to continue to continue to exist in this space.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about his solo career?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, like I remember when I first heard vibrant thing, and I was like, this first of all, let's write it as dope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: very different to what I was used to hearing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Records that I was used to hearing tutors voice on because it sounded very radio friendly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it was a good song and you couldn't like deny that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember buying that first album amplified and being like, this album sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the production was, it felt like it was just super basic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like there wasn't a lot of thought behind it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, YouTube was like, oh shit, I got a hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then kind of went back and was like, let me just make 13 different versions of vibrant things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that might have worked for like a song or two songs, but it didn't really carry across the whole album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I guess the other thing I realized and having heard YouTube subsequent solo work,

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, is that Q tips best when he shares an album with like other people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, the Renaissance is a great album, but part of the reason the Renaissance is a great album is because there's a variety of production.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's, you know, there's a song with Noror Jones, just a song with Afio Cedique, there's a song with DiAngelo, there's, you know, fussed is on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is just different things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I don't, you know, as dope as Q tip is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as both as fight was like neither one of them I think could carry an album completely by themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you listen to the the latest or the their their last album, the second half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: less of Q-tip in more of guest stars and more more Jerobi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I was listening to the second half of that now, the first, I think they call it disc one and disc two, like when you listen to it on streaming, like who cares?

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[SPEAKER_00]: A first half of that album, it is fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the second half of that album is deliberately, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, we're going to bring in more people here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do wonder how much of that is because of five passing, like you had to add stuff at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when I wasn't done when he died, so when I'm listening to that album, I thought, you know, because I just want more cue tip in my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we talked about the LL cool J album, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How he took over that thing and executive produced it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like the best LL has sounded in years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my thought was, I don't know what the hip hop version

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[SPEAKER_00]: of a Quincy Jones album would be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you, you have Q-tip executive producing like this giant project and you bring in some of our old school favorites and the reason I kind of thought about this is because I guess there's going to be a song on Rock Kim's new album with Rock Kim, Jay-Z and M&M,

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is mild in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Eminem will mind himself because of who he's recording, he's not going to be doing some stitching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know him, but he better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to say he better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you put QTIP behind like an album that has a message or a statement or an idea and you bring in some of these old guys, you don't have to bring in any of these new people who I don't even know the names of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can even go from the 2010s and you got Kendrick and you got these other folks who have been decently successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you I think there's something there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you typically want to do anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you remember he had that Apple music show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've listened to every single episode of that Apple music show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's like 200 episodes or 150 episodes or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: talking over mixes, essentially, and themes on some of them, and those were like, my work, I would work out and just listen to abstract radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he hasn't done it in several years, so I'm kind of bummed, I'm waiting for an a third season or whatever, but just the idea that he is, he is this ability to kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: aggregate and update and create themes and to do these big things because he's so smart about this stuff, I just want more of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever it takes to have more Q-tip, that's what I'm for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have heard from a reliable source that Q-tip is promising like a big 2027.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm not sure what the things but like the last couple of things we've heard from YouTube, it was, you know, tribe getting inducted into the Hall of Fame, the LL album, and then he was in that Janet documentary, and I think even like came on stage with her a couple of times during her tour, you know, I would love, like I'm kind of still formulating this as I say it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like the remaining BST boys, put all those cats on like one album, bring Latifa in and just like, you know, and these are all cats that can wrap, they can sing, they can play instruments, they can do all of this stuff and just let them vibe out and have like make a creative record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but I mean, also, I mean, I want to be respectful of the fact that, you know, fight died, yeah, you know, the Angela passed away last year and de-n-tip were, you know, Matt closed, Dilip passed away, like whatever, like, you know, tip is dealt with a lot of loss I think in his life there is a fire, you know, all of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, part of the reason he hasn't been as prolific is because of like traumatic shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely understand that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think he also knows, um, he also has to know that he is kind of like one of these figures in hip hop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that has driven the medium forward in ways that he probably doesn't even get recognized for, but like if you were to create like a 10 most important people in hip-hop like he's got to be on or near that list, just because of all the things that he's done and you know, all the things that he've done, all the people that he's even like worked with and touched like he's a dude,

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[SPEAKER_01]: he you know you think of like house music he was on groove is in the heart like which is like a seminal du York city club record like you know he's hip hop he's worked with jack white he's you know done all this different stuff he's just like um musicians musician he's not just hip hop you know so he's he's you know an icon for a lot of different reasons yes

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the first album, people's instinct of travels and paths of rhythm 1990, uh, just what did what did you think about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: the idea or the marketing, the clothing, the style, that was very left in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was super left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was, they were, to me, the way I interpreted it back then is that they were kind of like picking up the torch from Dale Osso, because, you know, Dale Osso was the first hip-hop group that blew up by being really left and they dressed differently, looked different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And tips flow was just it was a little jazzier, a little bit more conversational, a little less joky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were supposed to first record, you know, maybe lean the little hard on the comedy part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it just sounded a little bit more earthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that was my interpretation of it back then, but I mean, I dug it then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was definitely a left little kid or teenager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was 14 and that I'm okay now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those videos are kind of funny because they're trying to like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a little bit of choreography and like q-tip is like doing it and the other guys are kind of like, I think we're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We might Just kind of funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll skip low and theory for now because we're gonna come back to talking about yeah 93 Midnight Marauders and you and I have had this discussion over the years What is the better album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always lean low and theory you lean Midnight Marauders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're both like perfect hip-hop albums.

57:28.621 --> 57:29.542
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, man.

57:29.683 --> 57:32.207
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't you know, it's like, can I have both?

57:33.289 --> 57:33.930
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

57:34.711 --> 57:36.614
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the argument is really about

57:37.407 --> 57:41.028
[SPEAKER_00]: your hardcore hip-hop fan or your hardcore tribe fan, which one do you prefer?

57:41.048 --> 57:41.788
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

57:41.808 --> 57:53.532
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably because of that album just hitting me like a ton of bricks, when it hit me, that's probably why I feel the way that I do about it, but I also love Midnight Marauders at the same time.

57:53.612 --> 57:55.653
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it's time in place, man.

57:55.713 --> 58:00.694
[SPEAKER_01]: Midnight Marauders just puts me in a very specific time in place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you had mentioned, these two albums

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here guys, like, I'm a big part of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I had this thought, and we've, I think we've talked about this before, but who do you prefer as a rapper?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Five for Q-Tip?

58:20.461 --> 58:23.683
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, it's kind of like, I can't I have both.

58:25.304 --> 58:27.005
[SPEAKER_01]: Tipped, I mean, I love Q-Tip.

58:27.245 --> 58:28.346
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Q-Tip to death.

58:29.006 --> 58:31.208
[SPEAKER_01]: Five just, five has the punch lines.

58:32.606 --> 58:34.707
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and fight is just like scrappy.

58:34.967 --> 58:51.133
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's so like funny and on point and, you know, kind of silly and I don't know, there's just something about him that's so like, so New York like, very, very likable.

58:51.553 --> 58:51.853
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

58:52.513 --> 58:53.714
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just very charming.

58:54.654 --> 59:01.777
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, used self-deprecation in a way to empower him like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's the five footer and like to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, damn right, like that's not a negative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, I'm gonna use this to empower myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love diabetic, short talk of handsome, like all of that stuff.

59:19.082 --> 59:25.244
[SPEAKER_00]: The sports stuff is amazing and, you know, Q tip would be so happy right now, right?

59:25.784 --> 59:28.504
[SPEAKER_00]: He would be one of the people I thought about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The next one, the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is like he was just a sports fan as well.

59:36.389 --> 59:39.632
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a scene in the documentary where Ketips kind of making fun of him.

59:39.652 --> 59:47.681
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like You're a next fan and yet you're wearing Lakers gear like what is going on with that and cute to just like

59:49.083 --> 59:50.684
[SPEAKER_00]: The nicks are pissing me off right now.

59:51.184 --> 59:52.625
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love basketball too much.

59:52.685 --> 59:54.226
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's, you know, wearing later stuff.

59:54.446 --> 59:59.089
[SPEAKER_00]: He would wear warrior stuff like there's a ton of times where I see him in like old warrior stuff.

59:59.109 --> 01:00:09.735
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, if you're on the East Coast or you're in Atlanta and you're wearing warrior's garb when they were terrible, you're a true basketball.

01:00:09.755 --> 01:00:12.477
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, five was like a sports in general.

01:00:12.497 --> 01:00:14.318
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like a sports nerd.

01:00:14.658 --> 01:00:16.019
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:00:17.179 --> 01:00:22.201
[SPEAKER_00]: But I lean five as well for the same reason as you like and I love Q tip.

01:00:22.221 --> 01:00:33.166
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Q tip is as close to a musical genius as you can get in a fight was not like five was a really really fun rapper.

01:00:33.746 --> 01:00:37.488
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay beats beats rhymes in life is three years after Midnight Marauder.

01:00:37.528 --> 01:00:38.088
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have

01:00:38.648 --> 01:00:40.889
[SPEAKER_00]: what many people believe is your best album.

01:00:41.729 --> 01:00:45.870
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, we're getting to the time frame of where rap is changing.

01:00:46.990 --> 01:00:53.212
[SPEAKER_00]: All eyes on me is 96 and it's all about pop and how to how to a tribe call quest fit in.

01:00:54.312 --> 01:00:57.473
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some changes on this album.

01:00:57.653 --> 01:01:00.633
[SPEAKER_00]: Jay Dilla becomes a part of the production.

01:01:08.727 --> 01:01:14.992
[SPEAKER_00]: who knows why he's kind of pulled down a little bit, consequences on this album.

01:01:15.312 --> 01:01:17.875
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, related to Q-tip is cousin or something.

01:01:18.355 --> 01:01:18.755
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:01:18.815 --> 01:01:24.720
[SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds like Q-tip had a lot of ideas on how to advance the group.

01:01:25.901 --> 01:01:27.563
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe he didn't get everybody on board?

01:01:27.863 --> 01:01:28.303
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:01:29.304 --> 01:01:31.146
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it definitely became more of tips vision.

01:01:33.214 --> 01:01:52.987
[SPEAKER_01]: you know I mean at the end of the day like that last tribe album is basically like it's the four original members and then plus consequence and bustle so it's basically now a six person tribe called quest to end with the day yeah but you know beats rise in life they brought consequence in I don't think he was the best fit it definitely upset the chemistry within the group

01:01:53.767 --> 01:01:56.369
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, like you said, the sound of hip hop had changed.

01:01:57.470 --> 01:02:00.011
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it kind of felt like they were playing catch up a little bit.

01:02:00.031 --> 01:02:02.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is my least favorite Tripe call quest, right?

01:02:02.233 --> 01:02:03.413
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about Dilla?

01:02:04.794 --> 01:02:06.415
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think Dilla was a dope producer.

01:02:06.575 --> 01:02:09.657
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I will say this delicately.

01:02:09.717 --> 01:02:11.559
[SPEAKER_01]: I think death overreaches everybody.

01:02:11.579 --> 01:02:11.639
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

01:02:14.421 --> 01:02:16.402
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think he was dope.

01:02:16.962 --> 01:02:18.843
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think he was the best hip-hop producer of all time?

01:02:18.903 --> 01:02:31.227
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, he's certainly part of the conversation along with, you know, Dre and, you know, DJ Quick and premier and, you know, Pete Rock and like all these other people.

01:02:33.227 --> 01:02:35.048
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I have a lot of respect for him.

01:02:38.189 --> 01:02:39.410
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's kind of that.

01:02:41.273 --> 01:02:57.164
[SPEAKER_00]: So then, you know, it actually debuts at number one and is their biggest selling debut, but I think a lot of people like you said thought it was their worst album so they come back in 1998 with the love movement.

01:02:58.305 --> 01:03:04.269
[SPEAKER_00]: This one is interesting because I remember reading, I don't know if this is source or whatever.

01:03:05.419 --> 01:03:08.526
[SPEAKER_00]: and they're writing articles that these dudes hate each other.

01:03:09.207 --> 01:03:11.352
[SPEAKER_00]: Before this album even comes out.

01:03:11.853 --> 01:03:16.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I mean, well, they were on the cover of the source announcing they break up right when the album came out.

01:03:17.405 --> 01:03:22.470
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't imagine it's a great marketing for an album.

01:03:23.030 --> 01:03:24.872
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's your last Trib call question.

01:03:25.132 --> 01:03:28.535
[SPEAKER_00]: We hate each other on an album called the Love Move Movement.

01:03:29.756 --> 01:03:32.539
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but you like this one better in beats line.

01:03:33.240 --> 01:03:34.721
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it better than beats rhymes in life.

01:03:34.801 --> 01:03:36.403
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it holds together better.

01:03:36.463 --> 01:03:38.204
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it sounds a little bit more cohesive.

01:03:38.464 --> 01:03:39.545
[SPEAKER_01]: There's less consequence.

01:03:41.427 --> 01:03:44.308
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, it sounds more like a typical tribe album.

01:03:45.688 --> 01:03:51.569
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, it doesn't like those first three albums like they sound connective.

01:03:51.589 --> 01:03:59.131
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the last two, well, the two albums, sort of two in between the albums just sound, you know, disconnected.

01:03:59.171 --> 01:04:03.412
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't sound like they're like in a studio together like vibing off each other.

01:04:04.193 --> 01:04:04.833
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds a little

01:04:07.580 --> 01:04:26.475
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, I was working for the radio station, but I would do sports shows and stuff on the radio station and my buddy who I still do podcasts with today on my sports network.

01:04:27.536 --> 01:04:32.339
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the sports director, so he was hosting our round table weekend sports show.

01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:55.325
[SPEAKER_00]: And the the hip hop DJ that was next for the next show was late and like was supposed to be there and it was late to come and so Brad he was like oh man like their late I got to put on a record for something because you know that we can't have dead air so the tribe album had just come out.

01:04:56.667 --> 01:05:04.511
[SPEAKER_00]: and he gets the album, and he just throws a track on, like just like not even thinking because he didn't have the time to think.

01:05:05.351 --> 01:05:15.256
[SPEAKER_00]: And I always joke about him with that today, because the song that he put on is Dabudi, and I was like, hey, of course you chose Dabudi.

01:05:15.536 --> 01:05:16.737
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course you did.

01:05:17.517 --> 01:05:17.737
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:05:18.058 --> 01:05:20.541
[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about iconic release dates.

01:05:20.741 --> 01:05:30.271
[SPEAKER_01]: If I remember correctly, love movement, hard knock life, stay a quimini and first most deaf until the quality album all came out the same day.

01:05:30.592 --> 01:05:35.938
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember spending lots of money that day at Woodhouse record to cross the street from sales a state university.

01:05:36.538 --> 01:05:37.139
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes indeed.

01:05:38.060 --> 01:05:55.042
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I had a class from nine to ten fifteen and I bailed out like like 20 minutes early so that I could get to the warehouse, get to those albums right when they came out and then go to my next class.

01:05:56.051 --> 01:06:08.697
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I just, I will talk about outcast some other time, but I remember like listening to all those albums and just, you know, that outcast out blew me away and I didn't care about anything else after that.

01:06:09.377 --> 01:06:14.839
[SPEAKER_00]: This, the sound, I was like, there's so many sounds coming at my brain.

01:06:14.859 --> 01:06:17.680
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I don't think I can comprehend and they're coming so fast.

01:06:24.858 --> 01:06:45.580
[SPEAKER_00]: just that was kind of a you can sort of hear like of course they weren't new, but you are like okay there's some star making things going on here these guys are about to like just go yeah it would be the next album I think where they would finally like blow up blow up but I could hear it in Quemini.

01:06:46.701 --> 01:06:47.001
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:06:48.111 --> 01:06:51.253
[SPEAKER_00]: So then, of course, we've got the last album.

01:06:51.573 --> 01:06:52.453
[SPEAKER_00]: We got it from here.

01:06:52.513 --> 01:06:53.614
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your service.

01:06:53.874 --> 01:06:55.354
[SPEAKER_00]: They ask you tip, what does this mean?

01:06:55.374 --> 01:06:56.235
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I don't know.

01:06:56.275 --> 01:07:00.577
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just what 500 is to call the album.

01:07:01.777 --> 01:07:07.740
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's still my favorite album of 2010s.

01:07:08.961 --> 01:07:11.742
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, Kendrick and DeAngelo come close.

01:07:13.047 --> 01:07:15.789
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, that's my, you know, type top three.

01:07:16.109 --> 01:07:18.050
[SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie, the most meaningful album to me.

01:07:18.150 --> 01:07:19.290
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in the 2010s.

01:07:19.470 --> 01:07:22.612
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that album hit me, hit me real hard like emotionally.

01:07:22.872 --> 01:07:25.174
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just, woof, man.

01:07:25.314 --> 01:07:27.895
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's get back into the low and theory.

01:07:29.256 --> 01:07:34.839
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was recorded from between 1991.

01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:38.361
[SPEAKER_00]: Battery Studios in Manhattan.

01:07:39.659 --> 01:07:49.572
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, on a new 8068 mixing console that had been previously used by John Lennon, do we think that is real?

01:07:50.073 --> 01:07:51.275
[SPEAKER_00]: Or do we think that is legend?

01:07:51.776 --> 01:07:55.441
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's probably real John Lennon, you know, love New York City.

01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:16.905
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, additional work done at green studios and sound track studios and two tracks were programmed at Jazzy J studio in the Bronx, Q tip handled most of the production, Alicia Hiem de Homp, Alicia Hiem de Homp and co-produced and handled all the DJ work, who is Skeph and soul.

01:08:18.005 --> 01:08:24.727
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a dude who gets shouted out on a lot of early 1990s hip-hop records, uh, supposedly

01:08:27.095 --> 01:08:30.638
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he, he is a producer.

01:08:30.998 --> 01:08:32.519
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like Googling him right now.

01:08:32.599 --> 01:08:44.148
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I know of his name just because, again, I've heard him, heard his name shouted out on like third base records and, you know, all this other stuff, but, yeah.

01:08:44.408 --> 01:08:49.372
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, he produced songs on tribe records.

01:08:51.432 --> 01:09:03.780
[SPEAKER_01]: brand new being, the nice MC search, heavy D, you know, so definitely a very influential in, you know, golden age New York Hip Hop.

01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:06.481
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, working with a lot of good people.

01:09:06.822 --> 01:09:07.062
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:08.322 --> 01:09:20.430
[SPEAKER_00]: So cute tip called Ron Carter, the legendary jazz basis who played with Miles Davis and asked him to play upright base on on on the record.

01:09:20.990 --> 01:09:23.432
[SPEAKER_00]: He agreed on one condition.

01:09:24.693 --> 01:09:28.416
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't mean no custom on this album, man or on when I'm doing it.

01:09:29.357 --> 01:09:36.482
[SPEAKER_00]: And a Q tip assured him that this was a record with about real issues and they're going to keep it clean.

01:09:37.223 --> 01:09:45.730
[SPEAKER_00]: And so versus from the abstract is Ron Carter playing live base over a Q tip beat.

01:09:47.505 --> 01:09:52.768
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Pete rock supposedly created the original beat for jazz.

01:09:52.868 --> 01:10:02.212
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got it before Q tip himself kind of redid what Pete rock had put together and then he gives Pete rock a credit on the shout out.

01:10:03.152 --> 01:10:24.977
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned the Jerobe thing, so Jive Records execs doubted the album's potential and even in that documentary, the rap report documentary, I forget the execs name, but he was like, after the first album, we wondered if this wasn't going to be a great follow-up and he's like, yeah, we were 100% absolutely wrong.

01:10:27.737 --> 01:10:31.080
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, do you have a favorite song on this album?

01:10:31.160 --> 01:10:44.674
[SPEAKER_00]: And we may be giving away a little bit of a live live, but I'm okay with that because they're two different episodes, but just you can at least lean me towards, you know, kind of what are your favorite tracks on this album?

01:10:45.094 --> 01:10:47.276
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, all of the singles are great.

01:10:47.356 --> 01:10:50.019
[SPEAKER_01]: So check the run, bugging out.

01:10:50.559 --> 01:10:51.500
[SPEAKER_01]: We got the jazz.

01:10:51.980 --> 01:10:55.083
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, scenario is just an iconic song.

01:10:56.705 --> 01:10:57.826
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, everything is fair.

01:10:57.886 --> 01:10:58.927
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great song.

01:11:01.409 --> 01:11:03.491
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a best home on our album.

01:11:03.791 --> 01:11:07.435
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because we're going to get to the skip, the no skips rating and

01:11:08.903 --> 01:11:11.604
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that there is a song.

01:11:11.644 --> 01:11:16.405
[SPEAKER_01]: There is not a skippable song on low and theory or midnumber rotters for that matter.

01:11:17.426 --> 01:11:25.588
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it opens with excursions with this crazy baseline right at the beginning that just goes

01:11:26.777 --> 01:11:32.361
[SPEAKER_00]: Like sometimes lead tracks, they're like, oh shoot, like this thing is coming.

01:11:32.381 --> 01:11:36.925
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes lead tracks are just kind of like a little bit, like let's build you up.

01:11:37.205 --> 01:11:40.007
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this thing comes out and just slaps you right in the face.

01:11:40.207 --> 01:11:41.568
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like we're here.

01:11:41.589 --> 01:11:42.870
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, oh my God.

01:11:42.950 --> 01:11:44.851
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we just read listening to this album again.

01:11:45.291 --> 01:11:48.174
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, I forgot how hot this album starts.

01:11:48.434 --> 01:11:48.854
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.

01:11:49.595 --> 01:11:52.537
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's just, it's like consistently dope.

01:11:57.770 --> 01:12:05.155
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying to think of a good example of an album that like starts off real hot and then kind of like slides downward, but it's just like it's even throughout.

01:12:07.416 --> 01:12:18.604
[SPEAKER_00]: So on scenario, a Q tip five Charlie Brown Dinko D and Busta obviously are on this song.

01:12:19.345 --> 01:12:22.447
[SPEAKER_00]: Does Charlie Brown like pass away soon thereafter?

01:12:22.467 --> 01:12:25.909
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so all the leaders of the new school guys are still alive.

01:12:27.610 --> 01:12:29.032
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way.

01:12:29.092 --> 01:12:29.952
[SPEAKER_01]: It's on the remix.

01:12:29.972 --> 01:12:34.457
[SPEAKER_01]: The first student on the remix is Kid Hood, who I think passed away before the remix even came out.

01:12:34.657 --> 01:12:34.977
[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.

01:12:35.298 --> 01:12:41.884
[SPEAKER_01]: Because at the beginning of it, bust is like Billy's five MCs who were here in the physical and one who's here in the spiritual and then Kid Hood starts to wreck it off.

01:12:42.384 --> 01:12:42.645
[SPEAKER_01]: So.

01:12:44.132 --> 01:12:49.155
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you think when Busted decided to go raw, raw with a dungeon track?

01:12:49.175 --> 01:12:52.737
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he knew that that was going to be like the most memorable part of this song?

01:12:53.578 --> 01:13:04.064
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, maybe not, but you know, I mean, that like that song is responsible for the career of Buster Rimes, you know, because he did that.

01:13:04.804 --> 01:13:18.113
[SPEAKER_01]: than people kind of pointed him out rightfully as like the star of leaders of the new school, then people started asking him to be on their records and sort of do the verse that would not everybody else out the park and you know what kind of built his legend from there.

01:13:19.854 --> 01:13:21.395
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what his favorite tribe song is?

01:13:22.316 --> 01:13:23.317
[SPEAKER_00]: Bust his favorite tribe song?

01:13:23.337 --> 01:13:23.517
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:13:24.217 --> 01:13:26.078
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure what is it in the dock.

01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:30.801
[SPEAKER_00]: He named too but I think lyrics to go he said make some cry.

01:13:31.362 --> 01:13:31.742
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:13:33.873 --> 01:13:35.055
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

01:13:35.115 --> 01:13:36.918
[SPEAKER_00]: We do this Grammys read up segment.

01:13:38.480 --> 01:13:39.762
[SPEAKER_01]: Tribe in the Grammys.

01:13:40.423 --> 01:13:42.125
[SPEAKER_01]: Not really friends, man.

01:13:42.165 --> 01:13:46.311
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, tip has beef rightfully.

01:13:47.459 --> 01:13:51.722
[SPEAKER_00]: So in 92, at the Grammys, L.O.

01:13:51.762 --> 01:14:05.372
[SPEAKER_00]: wins for Mama Sidonaki out solo performance and best rap performance by duo or group is summer time, DJ, Jesse F. and the fresh prince, those are probably right on the money for where hip hop was in 1991.

01:14:05.392 --> 01:14:08.274
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine anything from that tribe album was as big to those voters as summer time was.

01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:30.906
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, also, I feel like that record would have, because it came out late in the year, so it probably would have gotten acknowledged the next year if, you know, knowing the Grammy rules, because I think the cutoff date is like September 1st, maybe somewhere around there.

01:14:32.857 --> 01:14:40.742
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, they weren't going to give a Grammy or even nominate a drop call request for a Grammy because they weren't really a commercial commercial act.

01:14:41.503 --> 01:14:46.586
[SPEAKER_00]: And so even, um, the, this would be what the 2017 Grammys.

01:14:46.666 --> 01:14:50.689
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that right, or a 20, we got it from here came up the end of 2016.

01:14:50.709 --> 01:14:52.250
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would have been the 2018.

01:14:52.390 --> 01:14:52.751
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:14:52.771 --> 01:15:00.016
[SPEAKER_00]: So the 2018 Grammys, um, let me pull up the correct page here.

01:15:04.318 --> 01:15:23.790
[SPEAKER_00]: If we are looking at, um, so actually, you know what's interesting is I think Q tip is performs on the 2017 Grammy and so for the 2018 Grammys, the best rap performance, Kendrick Lamar wins for humble.

01:15:23.971 --> 01:15:24.611
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a.

01:15:25.268 --> 01:15:27.028
[SPEAKER_00]: good a good winner there.

01:15:28.249 --> 01:15:30.609
[SPEAKER_00]: For best rap song, humble wins.

01:15:32.030 --> 01:15:32.770
[SPEAKER_00]: Story of O.J.

01:15:32.850 --> 01:15:33.750
[SPEAKER_00]: is nominated.

01:15:34.170 --> 01:15:37.711
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some other songs that I don't even really know.

01:15:38.111 --> 01:15:39.532
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess rap city is on there.

01:15:40.312 --> 01:15:43.753
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who's on one of these tribabans, who's awesome is Jane Doe.

01:15:44.233 --> 01:15:45.653
[SPEAKER_00]: What's Jane Doe?

01:15:45.693 --> 01:15:46.573
[SPEAKER_00]: What is Jane Doe?

01:15:46.613 --> 01:15:48.374
[SPEAKER_00]: What is Jane Doe?

01:15:48.754 --> 01:15:49.014
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:15:49.654 --> 01:15:53.255
[SPEAKER_00]: Bowdack, yellow, Cardi B. I'm like, okay, now we're kind of getting a

01:15:54.158 --> 01:15:55.218
[SPEAKER_00]: to ahead of ourselves here.

01:15:55.599 --> 01:15:57.319
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a Cardi B person, so.

01:15:57.379 --> 01:16:07.663
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but for best rap album, how would tribes last album stack up against damn 444 culture by the Migos.

01:16:07.783 --> 01:16:11.124
[SPEAKER_00]: Lila's wisdom, rap city, and flower boy Tyler the creator.

01:16:11.704 --> 01:16:13.325
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's better than all of them.

01:16:13.505 --> 01:16:16.206
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I love Kendrick.

01:16:16.406 --> 01:16:17.126
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Tyler.

01:16:19.567 --> 01:16:21.589
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, flower, flower boys a good album.

01:16:21.709 --> 01:16:30.698
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I would mess with any of those except for amigos, but the tribe album is, I think, just qualitatively, hadn't shoulders above all those other records.

01:16:32.700 --> 01:16:33.081
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:16:33.361 --> 01:16:35.243
[SPEAKER_00]: So a little bit of trivia here.

01:16:35.383 --> 01:16:37.485
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I've never heard this before.

01:16:37.685 --> 01:16:40.088
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I wanted to get your thoughts on this.

01:16:40.128 --> 01:16:41.629
[SPEAKER_00]: So supposedly,

01:16:42.725 --> 01:16:58.535
[SPEAKER_00]: Rex and effects took offense to a high-performance line, strictly hardcore tracks, not a new jack wing, and retaliated by punching cute tip in the eye outside of a run DMC concert at radio city musical in 1993.

01:16:58.635 --> 01:17:02.157
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard that as well.

01:17:03.337 --> 01:17:05.459
[SPEAKER_01]: Who in Rex and effects was in their two dudes?

01:17:06.394 --> 01:17:06.994
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it two dudes?

01:17:07.014 --> 01:17:08.455
[SPEAKER_01]: Two dudes is three dudes, I don't read it.

01:17:09.115 --> 01:17:12.317
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not, come on.

01:17:12.697 --> 01:17:15.278
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Q-Tip is all Q-Tip's a big dude.

01:17:15.298 --> 01:17:21.021
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, for somebody to like bummerish him like that, like, ah, I don't know.

01:17:22.721 --> 01:17:23.842
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of silly to me.

01:17:24.122 --> 01:17:24.422
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:17:26.504 --> 01:17:30.165
[SPEAKER_00]: Q-tip was the one who introduced Jade Dilla, then J.D.

01:17:30.225 --> 01:17:36.708
[SPEAKER_00]: to the wider hip-hop world after meeting him through Keyboardist Amp Fiddler on the Lawlop Luzator.

01:17:37.108 --> 01:17:39.069
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:17:39.149 --> 01:17:42.470
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, those are the only trivia things that we hadn't discussed yet.

01:17:43.431 --> 01:17:45.691
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get to our tears.

01:17:47.232 --> 01:17:51.714
[SPEAKER_00]: Musless and mid and four stands only.

01:17:53.835 --> 01:17:54.515
[SPEAKER_00]: I think,

01:17:55.593 --> 01:18:00.838
[SPEAKER_00]: If we're being fair, I think there's four muscleists and albums.

01:18:02.519 --> 01:18:02.979
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

01:18:03.900 --> 01:18:04.641
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, give me three.

01:18:05.381 --> 01:18:06.402
[SPEAKER_00]: Which one would you take out?

01:18:06.903 --> 01:18:08.044
[SPEAKER_00]: From take out the first album.

01:18:08.284 --> 01:18:11.327
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, I mean, the first album is upper mid.

01:18:11.767 --> 01:18:17.812
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so low-end theory, Midnight Marauders, we got it from here, are your muscleists in your midsection.

01:18:18.593 --> 01:18:21.315
[SPEAKER_01]: People's instinctive travels and love movement.

01:18:21.335 --> 01:18:23.257
[SPEAKER_01]: Love movement, upper mid and lower mid.

01:18:24.988 --> 01:18:37.397
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you, so beats a lot, beat Thremson Life is four stands only, you know, I will say this might just be because of my dislike for most hip-hop these days.

01:18:38.298 --> 01:18:50.707
[SPEAKER_00]: I listen to beat Thremson Life and I was like, yeah, for a tribe called Quest album, it doesn't match, but if you told me that this was not a tribe called Quest and it was some upcoming group in the year 2026,

01:18:52.919 --> 01:19:12.555
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love this for, yeah, I mean, to say an album is like not a great tribe called Quest album means it's a good album for like 75% of other hip-hop artists, you know, it was a letdown and I think that, you know, the fact that it was a letdown, like called is my perception of it a little bit.

01:19:12.875 --> 01:19:20.821
[SPEAKER_01]: But even now, if it's something that comes out comes up on like random on shuffle, I'll probably listen to it.

01:19:21.001 --> 01:19:21.502
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me too.

01:19:21.902 --> 01:19:22.102
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:19:22.642 --> 01:19:22.882
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:19:22.922 --> 01:19:23.643
[SPEAKER_00]: No skips rating.

01:19:24.023 --> 01:19:25.363
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a 10 man this thing.

01:19:25.544 --> 01:19:28.625
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a low-end low-end theory and Midnight Marauders are both 10.

01:19:28.665 --> 01:19:28.825
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:19:29.045 --> 01:19:30.105
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a 10.

01:19:30.145 --> 01:19:30.426
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:19:30.446 --> 01:19:31.026
[SPEAKER_00]: That was easy.

01:19:31.246 --> 01:19:33.867
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we'll be back with the top five.

01:19:34.747 --> 01:19:35.528
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and

01:19:37.733 --> 01:19:40.495
[SPEAKER_00]: This one was a great experience for me.

01:19:40.655 --> 01:19:46.058
[SPEAKER_00]: Part of this journey for me has been reconnecting with stuff.

01:19:46.519 --> 01:19:56.345
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that I've not been connected to a track called Quest, but actively listening, you know, actively going like, I'm going to listen to our catalog again.

01:19:56.365 --> 01:20:01.829
[SPEAKER_00]: I even went back to, because they have an anthology album that came out.

01:20:02.169 --> 01:20:03.690
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it after love movement?

01:20:04.592 --> 01:20:09.054
[SPEAKER_01]: I came out after love movement, it came out right around the time because it has vibrant thing on it.

01:20:09.074 --> 01:20:09.534
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:20:09.654 --> 01:20:09.854
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:20:09.974 --> 01:20:10.154
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:20:10.214 --> 01:20:10.394
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:20:10.414 --> 01:20:10.855
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:20:10.875 --> 01:20:11.135
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:20:11.695 --> 01:20:15.616
[SPEAKER_01]: So it came out probably right around the time to tip solo album came up.

01:20:15.897 --> 01:20:19.938
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they also have like a hits hits rareties and remixes.

01:20:19.978 --> 01:20:21.139
[SPEAKER_00]: Remixes album.

01:20:21.159 --> 01:20:22.679
[SPEAKER_00]: That is out there for for folks.

01:20:22.699 --> 01:20:23.920
[SPEAKER_00]: I listened to all that stuff.

01:20:25.080 --> 01:20:26.601
[SPEAKER_00]: You know hot sex.

01:20:26.621 --> 01:20:28.422
[SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't listened to hot sex in a little while.

01:20:29.162 --> 01:20:31.283
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was it's just kind of like.

01:20:32.365 --> 01:20:41.770
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, getting back into that feeling with some of this music, and that's probably, you know, one of the big things I get out of doing this project is just reconnecting.

01:20:41.810 --> 01:20:44.751
[SPEAKER_00]: So this was a blast rewatching that movie.

01:20:46.853 --> 01:20:51.475
[SPEAKER_00]: Thinking about where Q tip could go and really also at the same time, like.

01:20:53.613 --> 01:21:08.978
[SPEAKER_00]: five dog is not as big obviously as Luther and Whitney and even to the extent of how popular Amy Winehouse got right but to me he's as big as those people right?

01:21:08.998 --> 01:21:13.280
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean and you know I think the other thing is that five dog felt like family

01:21:15.360 --> 01:21:17.302
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, for me, a livestock shirt.

01:21:17.963 --> 01:21:18.924
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a five dog shirt.

01:21:19.945 --> 01:21:23.049
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how much I was a fan of his.

01:21:23.209 --> 01:21:25.471
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we'll be back for the top five.

01:21:26.272 --> 01:21:29.756
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, uh, Tribe Week man, I'm digging it.

01:21:29.776 --> 01:21:30.297
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.

01:21:30.537 --> 01:21:31.758
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, for Mike, I'm WG.

01:21:31.778 --> 01:21:32.619
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you when we see you.

01:21:32.699 --> 01:21:33.800
[SPEAKER_00]: Peace out.