June 2, 2026
Turning 50: Reflecting on 20 Episodes, Our Best & What's Next | The Cool Check-In
It's a milestone episode — both Mike Joseph and Garrett Gonzales have officially turned 50, and that calls for a real conversation. In this Cool Check-In, the guys take stock of the 50 For 50 journey so far, looking back on their first 20 episodes of deep dives into the music that shaped their lives.
They reflect on the psychology of getting older, what it actually feels like to hit this number, and what the series has meant to them. They debate the best episode they've done (Whitney Houston takes the crown) and get honest about the one they wish they could redo (New Edition, we're coming back for you). Plus, they tease what's still ahead — Luther Vandross, A Tribe Called Quest, The Notorious B.I.G., Mariah Carey, and more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, welcome back to the cool check-in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna be our only episode this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to dig into an album or an artist this week, but we will come back next week with Luther Vandros.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a trip, by the way, going back and listening to all of his albums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of them, there he is active.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was an active artist in the 80s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he put out a record a year, pretty much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I realized is he's like every hip-hop artists favorite R&B singer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I hear so much stuff in other music that came directly from Luther.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're not talking about that here, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll save that for next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we are talking about is the entire reason that Mike and I did this project was because we were turning 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we have turned 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We both celebrated with our friends and our loved ones last weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to talk about that in a second, but I do want to get a little bit of like a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you in this process of this project that we are doing right now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, at the beginning of the year, we're wide-eyed, bushy tail, just ready to be like, hey, it's a new year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What could we do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we started this project actually in 2025.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll actually do a new year project.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, sometimes when you think about big projects, you get very excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you get in the process,
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[SPEAKER_01]: of doing them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you can kind of get bogged down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a life happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've had to skip a couple weeks here and there of recording, which we said at the beginning, we would do because we wanted the space to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now we are in I don't know, we've done 20 some odd episodes, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're almost halfway through the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like we're probably at around like 2021, 2022 somewhere in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't even
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[SPEAKER_01]: But where are you in the process?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how has it been?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you still amped to do stuff?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where are you in this whole project thing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's good to be back in the rhythm of talking music again, which is something that I haven't done consistently in a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and you and I have done so many other projects together like this just feels like such an easy rhythm like I don't have to get used to somebody else's cadence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it's funny, there are some people who have listened to this and also listen to previous things that we've done together and been like you just felt right back into your usual rhythm of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so that that's felt really, really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I love hearing your take on stuff because usually it's a little bit different from mine sometimes a lot different from mine and also just kind of going through going through this stuff myself like listening to an artist back catalog and listening to it with a different context and, you know, going down rabbit holes that maybe I hadn't gone down in a while, like it's it's been it's been a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know something that I didn't think about, I was going to get out of this and I don't even know if I'm getting anything out of it necessarily other than perspective because I always make this joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I don't really remember what movies came out after the year 2000 until about 2010.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's because that's when my kids were born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I like, it's just a blur for those few years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not so much with music, but there is some stuff in the perspective of like news or pop culture and I'll give an example.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listening to, I listen, I know you read it, but Brandy's book phases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna do a cool check-in on that, on that book in the near future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listening to her, talk about her relationship with Waniay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That in real time, I know because of the human being that I am, I know that I was probably like, there's something going on here to this doesn't feel right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and yet listening back to her talk about this now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is just one side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got his own side though the age thing kind of links against his point of view here, but listening to her talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just I can real time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why did I like broken hearted so much or why did I like one is really hard to like really deal with right Yeah, as we have the perspective of being a grown-ass people to think back and go man was should I have
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[SPEAKER_01]: not thought of any voice to it now, whatever it is, but that's the part that I'm getting out of this is thinking back to what would I have thought back in 1996 as a 20-year-old person versus thinking about it as a 50-year-old person today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, I mean, it's like you don't know what you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I think that one of the great things about getting older is that you, you know, your perspective shifts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, uh, it's happened for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it happens for most people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you learn more things, as you experience more life, uh, uh, uh, you know, your perspectives on things change a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in 1996, I was 19, 20 years old, I didn't know anything, and I was able to
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[SPEAKER_00]: My relationship with art and artists was a lot different than it is now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you also, you think back to that time and there's no social media, there's no podcasts, there's no, you know, no me too, no people putting people on blast, none of that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it sounds like a cliche to say it was a more innocent time, but it was very easy to like give the benefit of the doubt back then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, changes in perspective and then just changes in technology and the world around us, kind of put us in the position where we are today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's funny like with Brandy specifically, the thing that kind of like freaks me out when I'm thinking about like this project and the birthday and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is when Brandy first came out, it was like, oh, you know, he's this new like young girl that's coming out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, oh, this is so cute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like a young girl, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brandy is two and a half years younger than we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's insane, by the way, he looks amazing for her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, her body is both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Monica both look tremendous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they're doing stuff today on social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See a lot of their both like they both of age so gracefully and so basically shout out to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they're still both young women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess in the grand scheme of things, I mean, they're in their late 40s, but you know, that two and a half years felt like such a huge gap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When, you know, you're 18 and Brandy's 15.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but we're 50 and she is 47 and that's, you know, it's like we're pretty much the same age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: something that we've talked about because of the Michael movie where Michael had to lie about his age because of the idea that if he was younger, he's actually more even more fantastic than he was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Brandy talks about this in her book, which is like sitting up in my room is kind of a
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a youngest 13-year-old girl kind of song and she's older than that, but again, they are kind of making her younger because of the, who she's singing to, the who they want to buy her records.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was something that she had to deal with as she,
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[SPEAKER_01]: was growing older, like her mom being her manager and being like, nope, this is how you have to dress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, okay, like I'm growing up, like I'm not like 14 here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just that that that came to mind too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, how do you, when you reflect back, and this is in music, this is in movies, this is in sports, the 70s in general for some reason that's the decade that I kind of think of
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[SPEAKER_01]: fast and loose with rules with really young women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we want to use the groupy term, that's kind of what they were called back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the goal of like these rock stars who were in their 20s and 30s was to just
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, find the youngest girl to spend the night with or whatever, like that was like achievement back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, we were bored in the 70s, but do you audit yourself like when you think about those times or do you just go, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a different time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had personally nothing to do with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like those people,
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[SPEAKER_01]: who did those things, you know, some of them are definitely still alive, like you audit your own thoughts with that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's kind of a case by case basis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and I think some of it is not only like in age thing and in times thing, it's also because I do what I do for a living.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen scenarios like this in person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: my perspective is a little different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, no one's going to ask for ID, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although lots of people should particularly back then have been asking for ID.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely a different time and I think for a lot of reasons,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, people that have transgressed, you know, 50 years ago, I mean, it's also, I mean, I guess the other part of that is that we don't know any of these people's lives, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know who apologies have been made to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know who's story straight like you, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In any given situation, you really don't know what happened unless you were there, so there's got to be like a little bit of benefited the doubt, at least, um, you know, and then if a pattern, you know, if you see a pattern then you're like, okay, well, probably with your smoke, there's fire, um, but, you know, yeah, I mean, times which is different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I think about, you know, I think about my grandparents, you know, when my grandparents got married, you know, my grandfather was 27, my grandmother was 16, and I don't think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that, you know, this is the 50s, not even the 70s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that would be scandalous in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think it was a big deal back then, you know, and I don't even know if it was that big a deal, you know, noticing it growing up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to me, they were both just old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, man, there's so much that comes into that, you know, there's so much that comes into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think with so many of the people that we're talking about over the course of this series, there is a point when we have to stop and think about our enjoyment of, you know, there are versus like the actions that they've,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, taken as humans, and sometimes it can feel a little weird, but I do think that there's a lot of context you have to sort of filter through in order to, you know, figure all that stuff out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, what bothers me more is the people who don't think about that shit at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but for, okay, well, we'll talk about our, our, our parties here, our celebrations here in a second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One more question, which is,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the episodes that we have done, I feel like it took me, I'm not going to speak for you, it took me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe three or four episodes to feel like, okay, I think I have a rhythm down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think I have to run down the way that I want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have all the information organized the way that I want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's how we're going to go from one part of the show to the next part of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And which means, though, that I didn't feel like I did my best work with the new edition episode, by the way, by the, it's still like the most listened to one on YouTube for what it's worth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but then there are episodes like the Whitney Houston one that we just did where I was like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, we got to everything that I wanted to get to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not everything about her life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't get to somebody's life in an hour and an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In an hour, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But all the things I wanted to hit and all the things that I think sometimes when you hear conversation about Whitney Houston, you don't really hear those things because there's been a lot of legend of her life over the years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought like, I was like, man, we really hit all the nuts and bolts of what Whitney was about to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did you feel like, like, were you comfortable from the very first episode or did you feel like you had to get your sea legs like, what do you remember about those early episodes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm a little self critical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's actually, I'm very self critical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like whenever we finish in episode, there's always a part of me that's like, man, I should have thought, should have brought up this and I didn't articulate this properly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm always kind of like going back and being like, ah, this could have been done like a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think I'll ever get rid of that like, do over mentality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think our rhythm clicked pretty quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like we've done this in so many different iterations over so many years, like once you and I start talking,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels very natural, very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in terms of like the theme of the show and the little various parts that we do to it, I mean, the first one is always going to be like the test, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you've never done it before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no precedent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, similar to you, it took two or three episodes for I was like, okay, this is what the rhythm specifically is with regards to this specific podcast, this specific format, these specific things that we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like in terms of compositional chemistry, it was on from jump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like you, I think it took two or three episodes for us to be for me to be like, okay, I understand where Garrett, what Garrett's rhythm is and what like the run of show is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and hopefully,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you are just sort of anticipating the things now because you understand how the rundown is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because originally, I had like these other things that I wanted to ask like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen this person in concert like what's your mixed tape like like you know what what do you have this thing on But but those just naturally kind of came into the conversation so I was like okay We have to talk about this anywhere because we're talking about those just naturally anyways Yes, oh I think once I stopped kind of forcing Like these categories or things I was like okay, then I don't have to do that anymore because we're just naturally doing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah 100% Yeah, so I would say like
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[SPEAKER_01]: If there was a doover, if we could do something over again, I do the new addition episode over again, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I liked it a lot because that is a group that we both love so much and that we know a lot of stuff about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and there's been lots of documentation about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was just naturally like we just knew our stuff when it came to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think I would have changed a little bit of stuff there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Fuji's episode interestingly enough, because of the Lauren and Wycliffe dynamic and because we were actively having these conversations, you know, when we met or, you know, in the 2000s,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that felt pretty natural and I think we did a pretty good job there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Amy Winehouse episode is memorable to me because I watched the bio, I watched the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she only had, she doesn't have many albums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it was really about the music as much as it was about the human.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, so I think some of those early episodes like maybe the jacks and if I knew, okay, we're going to do jacks and then we're going to do MJ then now we saw this MJ moving or we're going to do another MJ like I think I would have done the jacks and episode a little bit differently, but this is all kind of like work in progress like like, you know, it would if we had the benefit of
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, you know, maybe a production budget and, you know, X, Y and Z, you could go, okay, well, we'll do these test episodes and then we'll redo them once we've figured, but we just wanted to do like a living project.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, comfortable with how we've been doing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think as we get towards the end, like they're just going to keep getting better better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned the Fuji's episode because I've had two different
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by talking to me about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, I feel like it's always from the day that we met.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had Lauren and Wycliffe conversations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know what, it's in the zeitgeist right now, because I think to a range just did like a thing on the Fuji's and you know, Lauren was in the news a week or two ago because she responded to a fan asking why she didn't make another album and Wycliffe's got a new record out and like all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just, you know, it's in the air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about our little celebrations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm May 28, so I actually beat you to 50 by three days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You did, you're the 31st, and it's funny because again, one of the things that we connected on early was how close we were in age when we when we first met.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I go, wow, like this is kind of wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And our buddy, our old buddy, you probably talked to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the more recently than me are old buddy Randy Stewart is a similar birthday as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like has that right his birthday is like the same week or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've something like that I've spoken to Randy in a minute, but and then my friend Greg James as well is like very similar like time frame as us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not the hard work and heck yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, head case is exact same birthday as me, but he's a much younger man, younger man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, 50, somebody told me they said, 50 is like a, a mind fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just psychologically a mind fuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I would adjust to the head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember my 30th birthday very clearly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My oldest kid is going to be 27 this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's three years away from a birth that I very clearly remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, didn't we celebrate our 30th birthday together?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or didn't we go to Vegas like right after that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We might have been in the same place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, getting over the mind fuck as it was described to me, you know, 40 was the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like 40 was maybe a little bit different, but I think it's because once I turned 46, it was a little bit of a countdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like it's just in your mind, like 50 was just in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, it's coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming and then 47 and then 48 and then 48 and then 48 and then 48 and then 48 and you're just like, it's coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now that I've hit it, I'm kind of like am I going to be the same way about 60 like how do you how how how how how do you deal with that stuff I mean I'm not thinking about 60 You know 50 I it in like I don't want to say this in the past since because it's still like tripping me out Because I'm trying to like wrap my head around
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[SPEAKER_00]: 50 years being a long time, wouldn't you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unquestionably, 50 years is a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then just kind of what my goal posts have been for 50, what I've seen,
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[SPEAKER_00]: as 50 sort of in my family and you know, you know, in the world and other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just like feels weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, where am I supposed to be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I in a better place?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought I would be in mine and not better place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like it is a.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I'm a reflective person by nature and I think that this particular milestone just kind of combined with, you know, things that are going on in my personal life, things are going up my health, things going on in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like a very serious reflection point and inflection point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think my brain is so like stuck in 50 right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know, 60 is best 10 years from now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although, you know, 40 to 50 seems like it went by
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, going from 10 to 20 felt like it took forever because at that point, 10 to 20 was just going to be half of our existence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now 10 years is just going to be one fifth of our existence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't feel, you know, 10 years doesn't feel the way 10 years used to feel, which sounds weird, but I think it's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it feels like I jumped straight from 40 to 50.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was coming off of moving back to New York, you know, it made some life changes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny, like I went out for a run yesterday and I was like, man, when I turned 40, I was doing this shit regularly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm like struggling to get up the block.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to like, you know, change my game a little bit here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, 10 years does go by really fast now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: yeah for sure for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how was your event?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some photos of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like you had a lot of your favorite people there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what something that you did that I kind of asked you to do was
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[SPEAKER_01]: you created a playlist, which we will post at some point that spans the first part, the first five months of the 50 for 50 part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you could you create playlist after every episode that we do based on who the artist is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We take our top five and then you add some other songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I said, hey, can you do it for where we, we are so far and you did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I played it throughout my entire party, so that was like my connection, you know, we we live on different coasts, yeah, be there for each other, but that was my way of being like, okay, like, you know, I still have Mike here in some way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's you know, it's fun to do those playlists are fun to do and you know, it was good that I was able to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, contribute in some way to your event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, for my event, I had a slide show that I spent quite a bit of time putting together, and I ended up with like 200 photos, and I think I'll be really have like maybe three pictures of you and I together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so the older one, uh, is the one that ended up in the slideshow or the oldest one that I have, which I guess is from one of the opinions meet and greet back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I posted on Instagram as well, but um, you know, I was just trying to like go through my, uh, you know, my photo library and make sure that everybody that
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[SPEAKER_00]: was someone who mattered in my life was represented and you know it was great it kind of backfired because I think a lot of people that were there spent their time like looking at the slideshow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I mean it was kind of a cool, a cool thing to do and I you know everything was out of order so it wasn't like an evolution thing but it was great to kind of just
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[SPEAKER_00]: See pictures of me from high school pictures of me now pictures of me from being a baby like, you know, just have that whole sort of rotation of my life and even like in the room, you know, like My home boy Mike who I went to junior high in high school with showed up and I haven't seen Mike since we graduated high school 33 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was our first time seeing each other since 1993.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, my next door neighbors growing up showed up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hadn't seen them in forever, you know, my sister was there, my aunt was there, you know, some of my boss was there, some of my coworkers were there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was just, it was kind of trippy because it was kind of like watching your life flash before your eyes while you were like standing there experiencing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I'm still kind of like downloading and processing all this stuff,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know and no one at the common thread was was me in that group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, we've done exactly 20 albums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got 30 left and you know the actually we don't just have 30 left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have 31 left because we are going to do a 2026 album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so it's actually like 51 is 51.
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[SPEAKER_00]: back to that literally never occurred to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about it the other day because I was looking at our schedule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, wait, we're going to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dale album.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, that's going to be 51.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe maybe we'll save that as because originally,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give you guys a little scoop here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna save songs in the key of life for our last one, because that's literally the year that we're born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we'll do the daily album, the 20, 26 daily album as our real last one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally did not occur to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so for me,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just had, we had tons of people here, just friends from different networks and family, best friend, my kids, my stepkids, my ex-wife,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my kid stepped at like, it's just, it was just like, you know, like one of those things where when you think about your guest list, you think about how many people are going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can kind of get a little overwhelming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, my gosh, how am I going to be able to like make some time to spend with each one of these people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what happens is that three hours just zoom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... rye whiskey cocktails called it not new but new for me it's called the money car low i was wondering what that was and so i'm uh... i made i probably made about 15 of them just so people would you know who ever wanted to try it so i was like you know doing my little bartending thing and then going around and talking to people and then by the time the thing was over i was like oh my gosh like the time just went by so quickly and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of times when you think about celebrations like they are so big in your head like think about like when you're a little kid and you had a birthday coming up and sometimes you make this thing out to be just like the biggest biggest year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have a fun and then it's over and then you have this giant let down because over and I'm now what do I do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was a little worried about that when it came to this party, but at the end of the night, I was just so thankful, so happy everyone who came.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so appreciative of Crystal and all the work that she did, so happy that all of my kids were
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[SPEAKER_01]: that happened that was wrong or that was you know that I was bummed about her is like everything happened the way that I wanted to so that's what I was really thankful about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right on yeah I mean I I similarly when I am experiencing moments of
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[SPEAKER_00]: intense connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that goes away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there is, you know, sensation that I've heard called drop, which is, you know, obviously your emotions are in a different place, you're processing, you're not around people, you know, and I was like, from weeks ago, I was worried about that happening after, you know, after my birthday, my event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I went home Sunday night and ordered dinner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and kind of just chilled out and opened my presence and read some cards and like that kind of stuff and slept very, very well because I was exhausted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I took the next two days off of work because I was like, I don't wanna jump back into the pressure cooker right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been pretty chill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've had a chance like, I had therapy yesterday, I've had a chance to kind of like downshift a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I don't, yeah, I do think I'm still feeling some level of drop, but not as intense as maybe I thought I would before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was, I was, I was a little worried about that too, and I, I feel really good, so I'm happy that that didn't happen to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so where are we going to go from here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just pulled up our list of albums that we still have left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to read all of them that we have here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to do like I said, never too much Luther is our next album.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got purple rain coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got low in theory coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... we got uh... thirty six chambers come in life after death which we kind of wanted to create some space between pocket biggie so we here we would have done biggie pretty soon uh... we got the roots coming we got uh... our second half of of the michael jackson year by the way i don't know if this is true or not but i saw something that said the next michael jackson movie
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to do part two of the movie that we just saw, so Jeff far and his pops get another paycheck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What, but one thing that has happened since the last time we talked is John McCain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, passed away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you mentioned it on Instagram as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the first person I thought of was Questlove.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was his guess that he could ever get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was his white will interview and he never got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, man, I mean, you know, that dude was such like a powerful industry executive and, you know, to be the executor of the, you know, the MJ estate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, like, to have been a friend of the Jackson family for, you know, 55 years or something like that, like he, he knew where a lot of the bodies were buried.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that movie, it looks like, and I'm sure this is loose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like they're going to cover the trials in one trial so they won't have the couple of trials there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they'll do one trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was only one trial or two, I will just call it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two accusations made when he was alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, one, you know, one was settled before it went to court and the other one went to trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe those two timeframes are going to be combined in the one one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then I think just yeah, the the the dangerous time frame through invincible, I guess, is what the focus is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very interested to see
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a drug piece of this that I kind of wonder if they're going to touch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a lot of a lot of potential mine fields there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, watching the first movie doesn't give me a whole lot of hope that they will cover this stuff well in the second movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although I'm clearly in the minority because it's about to be the best selling or best highest grossing biopic of all time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they've done a fantastic job with the marketing has been incredible in the fans are fired up and again, you know, it's kind of what we talked about at the beginning of this episode like there are some things that we may have some thoughts about and how do you reconcile those thoughts and
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we're on the higher end of the superfan aspect of MJ, but I don't think a lot of those people either, they don't know or they just don't care about some of the other stuff, some of the other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's such.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, like I love Michael's music and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing, I don't think anything is going to keep me from enjoying Michael's music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that the narrative of his personal life is being rewritten in a way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I mean, and I think like the super fan culture, it's just like a bunch of things kind of pushing together that weirds me out a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what, I think I even said this before I was on a subway a couple of weeks ago, and it was just kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say kiddie is probably in his like earlier mid 20s, you know, sort of like random white kid and he is talking to his friend and they're like, oh, yeah, we're putting this Michael Jackson play list together and I'm like, man, you know, told me in 2026 that kids would still be discovering Michael Jackson's music, um, it like it's kind of a mind lower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I told you that my son was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And listen to a lot of Mike Jack, like that's all I'm Is that what Jay Z calls it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only Jay Z should be allowed to call it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, other albums were going to tackle Confessions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Confessions and usher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: John Mayer continuum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, don't we have like Fiona Appling there somewhere?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fiona Apple for sure, probably fetched the bolt cutters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And right, Carrie, we got to do our mark here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we got Mariah?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On tons of, uh, of really good stuff that I'm looking forward to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, there's some heavy research that I got to do because there's some, we got some big catalogs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some artists with huge catalogs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Luther, you know, Luther's a pretty intense catalog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, those are like eight and nine song albums, so yeah, I mean, you know, back in the day was, you know, it wasn't like
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, 35 songs with interludes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's going to be it from here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thanks for hanging with us in these first one of episodes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be back the rest of the year and probably a little bit into next year doing doing this for for for this feed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm enjoying it at
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, welcome back to the cool check-in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna be our only episode this week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to dig into an album or an artist this week, but we will come back next week with Luther Vandros.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a trip, by the way, going back and listening to all of his albums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of them, there he is active.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was an active artist in the 80s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he put out a record a year, pretty much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I realized is he's like every hip-hop artists favorite R&B singer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I hear so much stuff in other music that came directly from Luther.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're not talking about that here, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll save that for next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What we are talking about is the entire reason that Mike and I did this project was because we were turning 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we have turned 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We both celebrated with our friends and our loved ones last weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to talk about that in a second, but I do want to get a little bit of like a,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you in this process of this project that we are doing right now?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, at the beginning of the year, we're wide-eyed, bushy tail, just ready to be like, hey, it's a new year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What could we do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we started this project actually in 2025.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll actually do a new year project.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, sometimes when you think about big projects, you get very excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you get in the process,
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[SPEAKER_01]: of doing them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you can kind of get bogged down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a life happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've had to skip a couple weeks here and there of recording, which we said at the beginning, we would do because we wanted the space to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now we are in I don't know, we've done 20 some odd episodes, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're almost halfway through the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like we're probably at around like 2021, 2022 somewhere in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't even
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[SPEAKER_01]: But where are you in the process?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how has it been?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you still amped to do stuff?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where are you in this whole project thing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's good to be back in the rhythm of talking music again, which is something that I haven't done consistently in a while.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and you and I have done so many other projects together like this just feels like such an easy rhythm like I don't have to get used to somebody else's cadence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it's funny, there are some people who have listened to this and also listen to previous things that we've done together and been like you just felt right back into your usual rhythm of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so that that's felt really, really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I love hearing your take on stuff because usually it's a little bit different from mine sometimes a lot different from mine and also just kind of going through going through this stuff myself like listening to an artist back catalog and listening to it with a different context and, you know, going down rabbit holes that maybe I hadn't gone down in a while, like it's it's been it's been a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know something that I didn't think about, I was going to get out of this and I don't even know if I'm getting anything out of it necessarily other than perspective because I always make this joke.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I don't really remember what movies came out after the year 2000 until about 2010.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's because that's when my kids were born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I like, it's just a blur for those few years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not so much with music, but there is some stuff in the perspective of like news or pop culture and I'll give an example.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listening to, I listen, I know you read it, but Brandy's book phases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna do a cool check-in on that, on that book in the near future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listening to her, talk about her relationship with Waniay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That in real time, I know because of the human being that I am, I know that I was probably like, there's something going on here to this doesn't feel right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and yet listening back to her talk about this now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is just one side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got his own side though the age thing kind of links against his point of view here, but listening to her talk about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just I can real time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why did I like broken hearted so much or why did I like one is really hard to like really deal with right Yeah, as we have the perspective of being a grown-ass people to think back and go man was should I have
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[SPEAKER_01]: not thought of any voice to it now, whatever it is, but that's the part that I'm getting out of this is thinking back to what would I have thought back in 1996 as a 20-year-old person versus thinking about it as a 50-year-old person today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, I mean, it's like you don't know what you don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I think that one of the great things about getting older is that you, you know, your perspective shifts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, uh, it's happened for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it happens for most people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you learn more things, as you experience more life, uh, uh, uh, you know, your perspectives on things change a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in 1996, I was 19, 20 years old, I didn't know anything, and I was able to
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[SPEAKER_00]: My relationship with art and artists was a lot different than it is now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you also, you think back to that time and there's no social media, there's no podcasts, there's no, you know, no me too, no people putting people on blast, none of that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it sounds like a cliche to say it was a more innocent time, but it was very easy to like give the benefit of the doubt back then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, changes in perspective and then just changes in technology and the world around us, kind of put us in the position where we are today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's funny like with Brandy specifically, the thing that kind of like freaks me out when I'm thinking about like this project and the birthday and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is when Brandy first came out, it was like, oh, you know, he's this new like young girl that's coming out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, oh, this is so cute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like a young girl, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brandy is two and a half years younger than we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's insane, by the way, he looks amazing for her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, her body is both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Monica both look tremendous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they're doing stuff today on social media.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See a lot of their both like they both of age so gracefully and so basically shout out to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they're still both young women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess in the grand scheme of things, I mean, they're in their late 40s, but you know, that two and a half years felt like such a huge gap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When, you know, you're 18 and Brandy's 15.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but we're 50 and she is 47 and that's, you know, it's like we're pretty much the same age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: something that we've talked about because of the Michael movie where Michael had to lie about his age because of the idea that if he was younger, he's actually more even more fantastic than he was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Brandy talks about this in her book, which is like sitting up in my room is kind of a
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a youngest 13-year-old girl kind of song and she's older than that, but again, they are kind of making her younger because of the, who she's singing to, the who they want to buy her records.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was something that she had to deal with as she,
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[SPEAKER_01]: was growing older, like her mom being her manager and being like, nope, this is how you have to dress.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, okay, like I'm growing up, like I'm not like 14 here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just that that that came to mind too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, how do you, when you reflect back, and this is in music, this is in movies, this is in sports, the 70s in general for some reason that's the decade that I kind of think of
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[SPEAKER_01]: fast and loose with rules with really young women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we want to use the groupy term, that's kind of what they were called back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the goal of like these rock stars who were in their 20s and 30s was to just
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, find the youngest girl to spend the night with or whatever, like that was like achievement back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, we were bored in the 70s, but do you audit yourself like when you think about those times or do you just go, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a different time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had personally nothing to do with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like those people,
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[SPEAKER_01]: who did those things, you know, some of them are definitely still alive, like you audit your own thoughts with that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's kind of a case by case basis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and I think some of it is not only like in age thing and in times thing, it's also because I do what I do for a living.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen scenarios like this in person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: my perspective is a little different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, no one's going to ask for ID, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although lots of people should particularly back then have been asking for ID.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely a different time and I think for a lot of reasons,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, people that have transgressed, you know, 50 years ago, I mean, it's also, I mean, I guess the other part of that is that we don't know any of these people's lives, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know who apologies have been made to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know who's story straight like you, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In any given situation, you really don't know what happened unless you were there, so there's got to be like a little bit of benefited the doubt, at least, um, you know, and then if a pattern, you know, if you see a pattern then you're like, okay, well, probably with your smoke, there's fire, um, but, you know, yeah, I mean, times which is different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I think about, you know, I think about my grandparents, you know, when my grandparents got married, you know, my grandfather was 27, my grandmother was 16, and I don't think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that, you know, this is the 50s, not even the 70s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that would be scandalous in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think it was a big deal back then, you know, and I don't even know if it was that big a deal, you know, noticing it growing up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to me, they were both just old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, man, there's so much that comes into that, you know, there's so much that comes into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think with so many of the people that we're talking about over the course of this series, there is a point when we have to stop and think about our enjoyment of, you know, there are versus like the actions that they've,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, taken as humans, and sometimes it can feel a little weird, but I do think that there's a lot of context you have to sort of filter through in order to, you know, figure all that stuff out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, what bothers me more is the people who don't think about that shit at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but for, okay, well, we'll talk about our, our, our parties here, our celebrations here in a second.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One more question, which is,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the episodes that we have done, I feel like it took me, I'm not going to speak for you, it took me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe three or four episodes to feel like, okay, I think I have a rhythm down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think I have to run down the way that I want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have all the information organized the way that I want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's how we're going to go from one part of the show to the next part of the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And which means, though, that I didn't feel like I did my best work with the new edition episode, by the way, by the, it's still like the most listened to one on YouTube for what it's worth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but then there are episodes like the Whitney Houston one that we just did where I was like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, we got to everything that I wanted to get to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not everything about her life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't get to somebody's life in an hour and an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In an hour, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But all the things I wanted to hit and all the things that I think sometimes when you hear conversation about Whitney Houston, you don't really hear those things because there's been a lot of legend of her life over the years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought like, I was like, man, we really hit all the nuts and bolts of what Whitney was about to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did you feel like, like, were you comfortable from the very first episode or did you feel like you had to get your sea legs like, what do you remember about those early episodes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm a little self critical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's actually, I'm very self critical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like whenever we finish in episode, there's always a part of me that's like, man, I should have thought, should have brought up this and I didn't articulate this properly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm always kind of like going back and being like, ah, this could have been done like a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think I'll ever get rid of that like, do over mentality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think our rhythm clicked pretty quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like we've done this in so many different iterations over so many years, like once you and I start talking,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels very natural, very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in terms of like the theme of the show and the little various parts that we do to it, I mean, the first one is always going to be like the test, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you've never done it before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no precedent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, similar to you, it took two or three episodes for I was like, okay, this is what the rhythm specifically is with regards to this specific podcast, this specific format, these specific things that we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like in terms of compositional chemistry, it was on from jump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like you, I think it took two or three episodes for us to be for me to be like, okay, I understand where Garrett, what Garrett's rhythm is and what like the run of show is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and hopefully,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you are just sort of anticipating the things now because you understand how the rundown is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because originally, I had like these other things that I wanted to ask like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen this person in concert like what's your mixed tape like like you know what what do you have this thing on But but those just naturally kind of came into the conversation so I was like okay We have to talk about this anywhere because we're talking about those just naturally anyways Yes, oh I think once I stopped kind of forcing Like these categories or things I was like okay, then I don't have to do that anymore because we're just naturally doing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah 100% Yeah, so I would say like
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[SPEAKER_01]: If there was a doover, if we could do something over again, I do the new addition episode over again, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I liked it a lot because that is a group that we both love so much and that we know a lot of stuff about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and there's been lots of documentation about them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was just naturally like we just knew our stuff when it came to them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think I would have changed a little bit of stuff there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Fuji's episode interestingly enough, because of the Lauren and Wycliffe dynamic and because we were actively having these conversations, you know, when we met or, you know, in the 2000s,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that felt pretty natural and I think we did a pretty good job there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Amy Winehouse episode is memorable to me because I watched the bio, I watched the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she only had, she doesn't have many albums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it was really about the music as much as it was about the human.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, so I think some of those early episodes like maybe the jacks and if I knew, okay, we're going to do jacks and then we're going to do MJ then now we saw this MJ moving or we're going to do another MJ like I think I would have done the jacks and episode a little bit differently, but this is all kind of like work in progress like like, you know, it would if we had the benefit of
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, you know, maybe a production budget and, you know, X, Y and Z, you could go, okay, well, we'll do these test episodes and then we'll redo them once we've figured, but we just wanted to do like a living project.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, comfortable with how we've been doing it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think as we get towards the end, like they're just going to keep getting better better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned the Fuji's episode because I've had two different
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by talking to me about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, I feel like it's always from the day that we met.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had Lauren and Wycliffe conversations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know what, it's in the zeitgeist right now, because I think to a range just did like a thing on the Fuji's and you know, Lauren was in the news a week or two ago because she responded to a fan asking why she didn't make another album and Wycliffe's got a new record out and like all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just, you know, it's in the air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about our little celebrations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm May 28, so I actually beat you to 50 by three days.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You did, you're the 31st, and it's funny because again, one of the things that we connected on early was how close we were in age when we when we first met.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I go, wow, like this is kind of wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And our buddy, our old buddy, you probably talked to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the more recently than me are old buddy Randy Stewart is a similar birthday as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like has that right his birthday is like the same week or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've something like that I've spoken to Randy in a minute, but and then my friend Greg James as well is like very similar like time frame as us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not the hard work and heck yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, head case is exact same birthday as me, but he's a much younger man, younger man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, 50, somebody told me they said, 50 is like a, a mind fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just psychologically a mind fuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I would adjust to the head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember my 30th birthday very clearly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My oldest kid is going to be 27 this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's three years away from a birth that I very clearly remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, didn't we celebrate our 30th birthday together?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or didn't we go to Vegas like right after that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We might have been in the same place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, getting over the mind fuck as it was described to me, you know, 40 was the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like 40 was maybe a little bit different, but I think it's because once I turned 46, it was a little bit of a countdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like it's just in your mind, like 50 was just in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, it's coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's coming and then 47 and then 48 and then 48 and then 48 and then 48 and then 48 and you're just like, it's coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now that I've hit it, I'm kind of like am I going to be the same way about 60 like how do you how how how how how do you deal with that stuff I mean I'm not thinking about 60 You know 50 I it in like I don't want to say this in the past since because it's still like tripping me out Because I'm trying to like wrap my head around
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[SPEAKER_00]: 50 years being a long time, wouldn't you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unquestionably, 50 years is a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then just kind of what my goal posts have been for 50, what I've seen,
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[SPEAKER_00]: as 50 sort of in my family and you know, you know, in the world and other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just like feels weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, where am I supposed to be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I in a better place?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought I would be in mine and not better place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like it is a.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I'm a reflective person by nature and I think that this particular milestone just kind of combined with, you know, things that are going on in my personal life, things are going up my health, things going on in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like a very serious reflection point and inflection point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think my brain is so like stuck in 50 right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know, 60 is best 10 years from now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although, you know, 40 to 50 seems like it went by
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, going from 10 to 20 felt like it took forever because at that point, 10 to 20 was just going to be half of our existence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now 10 years is just going to be one fifth of our existence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't feel, you know, 10 years doesn't feel the way 10 years used to feel, which sounds weird, but I think it's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it feels like I jumped straight from 40 to 50.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was coming off of moving back to New York, you know, it made some life changes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny, like I went out for a run yesterday and I was like, man, when I turned 40, I was doing this shit regularly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm like struggling to get up the block.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to like, you know, change my game a little bit here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, 10 years does go by really fast now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: yeah for sure for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So how was your event?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some photos of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like you had a lot of your favorite people there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what something that you did that I kind of asked you to do was
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[SPEAKER_01]: you created a playlist, which we will post at some point that spans the first part, the first five months of the 50 for 50 part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you could you create playlist after every episode that we do based on who the artist is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We take our top five and then you add some other songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I said, hey, can you do it for where we, we are so far and you did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I played it throughout my entire party, so that was like my connection, you know, we we live on different coasts, yeah, be there for each other, but that was my way of being like, okay, like, you know, I still have Mike here in some way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's you know, it's fun to do those playlists are fun to do and you know, it was good that I was able to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, contribute in some way to your event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, for my event, I had a slide show that I spent quite a bit of time putting together, and I ended up with like 200 photos, and I think I'll be really have like maybe three pictures of you and I together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so the older one, uh, is the one that ended up in the slideshow or the oldest one that I have, which I guess is from one of the opinions meet and greet back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I posted on Instagram as well, but um, you know, I was just trying to like go through my, uh, you know, my photo library and make sure that everybody that
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[SPEAKER_00]: was someone who mattered in my life was represented and you know it was great it kind of backfired because I think a lot of people that were there spent their time like looking at the slideshow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I mean it was kind of a cool, a cool thing to do and I you know everything was out of order so it wasn't like an evolution thing but it was great to kind of just
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[SPEAKER_00]: See pictures of me from high school pictures of me now pictures of me from being a baby like, you know, just have that whole sort of rotation of my life and even like in the room, you know, like My home boy Mike who I went to junior high in high school with showed up and I haven't seen Mike since we graduated high school 33 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was our first time seeing each other since 1993.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, my next door neighbors growing up showed up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hadn't seen them in forever, you know, my sister was there, my aunt was there, you know, some of my boss was there, some of my coworkers were there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was just, it was kind of trippy because it was kind of like watching your life flash before your eyes while you were like standing there experiencing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I'm still kind of like downloading and processing all this stuff,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know and no one at the common thread was was me in that group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, we've done exactly 20 albums.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got 30 left and you know the actually we don't just have 30 left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have 31 left because we are going to do a 2026 album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so it's actually like 51 is 51.
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[SPEAKER_00]: back to that literally never occurred to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about it the other day because I was looking at our schedule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, wait, we're going to do this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dale album.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, that's going to be 51.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe maybe we'll save that as because originally,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give you guys a little scoop here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna save songs in the key of life for our last one, because that's literally the year that we're born.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we'll do the daily album, the 20, 26 daily album as our real last one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally did not occur to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so for me,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just had, we had tons of people here, just friends from different networks and family, best friend, my kids, my stepkids, my ex-wife,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my kid stepped at like, it's just, it was just like, you know, like one of those things where when you think about your guest list, you think about how many people are going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It can kind of get a little overwhelming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, my gosh, how am I going to be able to like make some time to spend with each one of these people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what happens is that three hours just zoom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... rye whiskey cocktails called it not new but new for me it's called the money car low i was wondering what that was and so i'm uh... i made i probably made about 15 of them just so people would you know who ever wanted to try it so i was like you know doing my little bartending thing and then going around and talking to people and then by the time the thing was over i was like oh my gosh like the time just went by so quickly and
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of times when you think about celebrations like they are so big in your head like think about like when you're a little kid and you had a birthday coming up and sometimes you make this thing out to be just like the biggest biggest year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have a fun and then it's over and then you have this giant let down because over and I'm now what do I do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was a little worried about that when it came to this party, but at the end of the night, I was just so thankful, so happy everyone who came.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so appreciative of Crystal and all the work that she did, so happy that all of my kids were
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[SPEAKER_01]: that happened that was wrong or that was you know that I was bummed about her is like everything happened the way that I wanted to so that's what I was really thankful about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right on yeah I mean I I similarly when I am experiencing moments of
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[SPEAKER_00]: intense connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that goes away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there is, you know, sensation that I've heard called drop, which is, you know, obviously your emotions are in a different place, you're processing, you're not around people, you know, and I was like, from weeks ago, I was worried about that happening after, you know, after my birthday, my event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I went home Sunday night and ordered dinner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and kind of just chilled out and opened my presence and read some cards and like that kind of stuff and slept very, very well because I was exhausted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I took the next two days off of work because I was like, I don't wanna jump back into the pressure cooker right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been pretty chill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've had a chance like, I had therapy yesterday, I've had a chance to kind of like downshift a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I don't, yeah, I do think I'm still feeling some level of drop, but not as intense as maybe I thought I would before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was, I was, I was a little worried about that too, and I, I feel really good, so I'm happy that that didn't happen to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so where are we going to go from here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just pulled up our list of albums that we still have left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to read all of them that we have here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to do like I said, never too much Luther is our next album.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got purple rain coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got low in theory coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... we got uh... thirty six chambers come in life after death which we kind of wanted to create some space between pocket biggie so we here we would have done biggie pretty soon uh... we got the roots coming we got uh... our second half of of the michael jackson year by the way i don't know if this is true or not but i saw something that said the next michael jackson movie
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to do part two of the movie that we just saw, so Jeff far and his pops get another paycheck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What, but one thing that has happened since the last time we talked is John McCain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, passed away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you mentioned it on Instagram as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the first person I thought of was Questlove.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was his guess that he could ever get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was his white will interview and he never got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, man, I mean, you know, that dude was such like a powerful industry executive and, you know, to be the executor of the, you know, the MJ estate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, like, to have been a friend of the Jackson family for, you know, 55 years or something like that, like he, he knew where a lot of the bodies were buried.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that movie, it looks like, and I'm sure this is loose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like they're going to cover the trials in one trial so they won't have the couple of trials there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they'll do one trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was only one trial or two, I will just call it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two accusations made when he was alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, one, you know, one was settled before it went to court and the other one went to trial.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe those two timeframes are going to be combined in the one one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then I think just yeah, the the the dangerous time frame through invincible, I guess, is what the focus is going to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very interested to see
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a drug piece of this that I kind of wonder if they're going to touch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a lot of a lot of potential mine fields there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, watching the first movie doesn't give me a whole lot of hope that they will cover this stuff well in the second movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although I'm clearly in the minority because it's about to be the best selling or best highest grossing biopic of all time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they've done a fantastic job with the marketing has been incredible in the fans are fired up and again, you know, it's kind of what we talked about at the beginning of this episode like there are some things that we may have some thoughts about and how do you reconcile those thoughts and
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we're on the higher end of the superfan aspect of MJ, but I don't think a lot of those people either, they don't know or they just don't care about some of the other stuff, some of the other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's such.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, like I love Michael's music and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing, I don't think anything is going to keep me from enjoying Michael's music.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that the narrative of his personal life is being rewritten in a way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I mean, and I think like the super fan culture, it's just like a bunch of things kind of pushing together that weirds me out a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what, I think I even said this before I was on a subway a couple of weeks ago, and it was just kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I say kiddie is probably in his like earlier mid 20s, you know, sort of like random white kid and he is talking to his friend and they're like, oh, yeah, we're putting this Michael Jackson play list together and I'm like, man, you know, told me in 2026 that kids would still be discovering Michael Jackson's music, um, it like it's kind of a mind lower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I told you that my son was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And listen to a lot of Mike Jack, like that's all I'm Is that what Jay Z calls it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only Jay Z should be allowed to call it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, other albums were going to tackle Confessions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Confessions and usher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: John Mayer continuum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, don't we have like Fiona Appling there somewhere?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fiona Apple for sure, probably fetched the bolt cutters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And right, Carrie, we got to do our mark here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we got Mariah?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On tons of, uh, of really good stuff that I'm looking forward to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, there's some heavy research that I got to do because there's some, we got some big catalogs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some artists with huge catalogs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Luther, you know, Luther's a pretty intense catalog.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, those are like eight and nine song albums, so yeah, I mean, you know, back in the day was, you know, it wasn't like
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, 35 songs with interludes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's going to be it from here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thanks for hanging with us in these first one of episodes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be back the rest of the year and probably a little bit into next year doing doing this for for for this feed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm enjoying it at
