The Cool Check-In: Why Physical Media Still Matters (Vinyl & 4K Discs)

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back with the cool check-in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're not going to talk about a specific artist or specific album, a specific current event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually just interested in Mike's vinyl collection, his physical media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a vinyl collection as well, not as big as Mike's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually more into collecting 4K DVDs right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So more movies in general, blue rays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So 4k is kind of the new, the newest tech on, uh, making these movies in the best possible quality that you could possibly get them there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're the next extension of Blue Ray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I so I've heard of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I, this is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is on brand, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason I know what 4K is is because I think they put a bunch of Michael Jackson videos on YouTube in 4K.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK. Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, it's all about the tech up here hardware, as well, like your television has to have, like the right 4K controls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure most of our monitors these days can complete the thing about 4K that's actually interesting

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the next level up is 8K, but I don't think our eyes are going to be able to differentiate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So 4K may be kind of the damn for a little while, so that's why I'm interested in about buying these because, you know, think about physical media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably have had movies on VHS.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on regular DVD, and now on 4K, like that's four different generations of technology.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I think the 4K one will be here to stay for a little while, at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're a movie person, that's not entirely different from like, there's albums that I've owned on vinyl, and then cassette, and then CD, and then vinyl again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's similar,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's a very similar sequence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of vinyl today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you know how there's always that joke that, you know, Michael Jordan's like we're selling you all the same shoes in 20 years later for double the price and, you know, my like a like that joke like

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you sold a record for in vinyl in the 70s, for I don't know what it would have been 15 bucks or 10 bucks or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even like six bucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now that same album, you're selling for 50 bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, every now and then I'll pull up the inflation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: calculator to like see, like realistically speaking, what would the price of this particular thing be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when I was, I don't know, when I first started collecting music in album,

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[SPEAKER_00]: on vinyl was maybe like $7.99 let's see so if we're talking $7.99 in like $19.86 what is that worth in $20.26 that would be about $25 okay so not considering that the pricing is not super off

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you have your limited edition versions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have your limited release versions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I saw, I think you even posted about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tevin Campbell released, I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How much did you pay for I'm ready?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like $35.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not too bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it is like in the upwards of the 40s or the 50 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I very rarely will go above $35.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I just bought the Jodacy forever, my lady.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was $35.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, when I moved in with my wife before we got married, I told her I was like, you know what, I kind of have always wanted an office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was doing some podcasting so I needed like a space and I was like, I always wanted to decorate it with like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: posters, and so I have like a, you know, a Michael Jordan last shot, little poster here, and then behind me is like a bad boy's original bad boy's poster with Martin and Will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's, you know, another poster where my shoulder of LL with the radio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And part of that was I wanted to get a vinyl player, and I wanted to kind of reinvigorate my vinyl collection, which wasn't that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I subscribed to a service called vinyl me, please.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for a little while, it was actually really fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then I started to see, like they weren't getting a lot of newer things that I wanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, you know, I've already said no to this record like five times, but there's nothing else that has even closed to what I want, so do I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there were some albums that I got, like I think I got Mariah's butterfly through there, which I didn't have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I got,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Biggie's record, which I didn't have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I did accumulate a lot about, but there's also other albums that I was like, I'm only getting this because it's really the only selection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's like some Prince Paul records in there that I was like, I wouldn't have necessarily bought this, but it's part of the subscription.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got to pick something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was able to accumulate lots of albums that, you know, I was probably subscribing for a couple years at least and then,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of over the years, Amazon has some stuff, go to the record store, and you get the use stuff of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then this is pretty interesting because I know you remember this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Day law was having issues with the streamers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were just like, well, if you streamers, we're putting all of our MP3s out there for free, download away, and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm downloading all of these albums and so then when they was the last year of the year before, I think it was a year before they re did their albums to make them compliant with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the current, you know, sampling rights and such.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there were, you know, there's some things that are different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they did me the solid of give, if putting those songs out for free, I'm going to just buy the, buy the vinyl, I think you're, so I, I probably bought four or five daily records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that some of this is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just owning it, there's this owning versus streaming thing or owning versus licensing through Apple music because they can always take it away, you know, they have the right to take it away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of it is also, there are some audio files.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just like that sound, it puts them in a certain space of maybe where they heard the music the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what is your real foundation of collecting this music?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you were to put it on one specific thing,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I prefer to own I think is the main thing and it's also a support thing like you know that that money is going into that artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's a few things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the ownership versus streaming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is knowing that the artists that whose music I appreciate is getting paid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: based on a purchase that I make and you know I've worked in the music business now almost 35 years I'm putting money in my own pocket essentially so I think there's an element of that but also like I grew up you know when I was a little kid there were always records coming in yeah and the you know I grew up and I think you grew up the same way

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[SPEAKER_00]: where if you wanted to consume music, you either were listening to the radio or you were buying records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you listen to the radio and you heard something you liked, then you went and you bought the record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just kind of like that old school mentality of if it's an artist that I like or if somebody sends me something and I dig it, I'm gonna put money down on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that vinyl is still as popular as it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what does that say about the compact disc?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think the compact disc obviously was smaller, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could put it in your car, which you cannot do with vinyl, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are benefits there, but ultimately, like you had the situation where the new tech replaced the old tech, and I feel like the old tech replaced the new tech even more popular than CDs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, there is, like, there's something cool about vinyl artwork about the physically aesthetic part of having a vinyl collection, I do think that vinyl sounds different when you play it, then CDs do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've all come CDs and decided that they wanted to start buying vinyl or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, for me, like initially it was more like an nostalgia thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's just like, you know, I have this collection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want, again, want to support artists in music that I love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: Still, usually if there's an option between buying a CD and buying a record, I will buy the CD, I'm just because it's cheaper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but this Kevin Campbell is kind of like, man, I've been waiting for him to put this record out on vinyl for so long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I remember, again, I work in the music industry and I remember when vinyl first started getting popular again, I was kind of plugged into,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I was plugged into in an area where I had direct access to some gatekeeper type people and I made a list of albums that I thought needed to get put out on vinyl and I remember kind of getting shut down because they were like, oh, you know, Michael's just asked Mike's just asking about stuff that he likes to get put out on vinyl and now there's this whole thing where all of these like classic 90s R&B albums are getting put out on vinyl and I'm like, I was, I told you all about this shit like 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now all of a sudden, you're like, oh, there's a market for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, part of me feels vindicated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But these are albums of my childhood or my teenagers anyway that I want to have physical copies of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, and I can afford it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, just kind of like makes sense to have it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, are there still albums now of this two-port question?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are there albums that are out there, but really hard to get, or it's just crazily expensive for some reason or another, that you're like, one of these days, I'm still gonna get this thing no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the second part of that is going back to your list, which albums are you wish or on vinyl that aren't, like at the very top of your list?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there is, so,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the answer to the first question, there aren't many albums that are like holy grail records for me anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know like I've had the first PM don't have my discogs want list for like years and I've never actually seen it in a record store before I could buy it off It discogs if I wanted to It's not super expensive It's probably like twenty five dollars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay not that I just haven't so there's that like there's The way in the exhale soundtrack which I've seen a couple of times for like 50 bucks

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I'm like, I don't like that album that much, but if they released like a regular version for like $30, I would probably buy that right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were just talking about Frank Ocean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have channel orange on vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a bootleg and it's actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first, the second side repeats the first side, so I actually got, I got, I got, got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got jacked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, if channel orange comes out commercially and it's a decent price.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll buy that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's not too, there's, you know, there's not too many albums that are actually currently available that I want that I don't have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the second part of that question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's some Prince albums that are not our own vinyl that I wish were, and I'm sure they'll be released at some point down the line, and you know, I'll get those at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Tevin and Joe to see, I think we're two of the last.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Alvin said, I was like, I really, really, really want to have a vinyl copy of this and they're both coming out like one right after the other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't really think of too many other albums off the top of my head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, if, if like, why clubs carnival came out on vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd probably buy it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if, you know, nope, the new kids no more games album came out on vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd probably buy it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's not albums that would be like super necessary for me to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just kind of like, if they were available, and they were priced right, I'd probably grab them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When blonde came out, Frank Ocean did a black Friday thing, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I bought it for my kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it took forever for this thing to get mailed out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was months and months and months and I just figured I was like, you know, I got jacked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is never coming out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it chipped and my kid has it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That album is expensive, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like worth a decent amount of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not, you know, I mean, if he wanted to sell it, he could sell it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he just definitely worth a few hundred bucks at this point, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I was like that was one where I was like, oh, like I'm actually glad that I, you know, did that because it's now it's a bit of a collector's item and it's one of his favorite albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't I don't know that he would sell it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he would, but yeah, I mean, I've had albums like that before like I had, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a limited colored copy of Midnight Marauders that was like red and green.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then was like, I could get like the regular regular Midnight Marauders for $20 in sell this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't sell off records very often.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I moved in the last couple of months and needed to condense, so I sold off a good chunk of stuff then, but I don't, I don't buy records to collect them or to flip them, I buy them to listen to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Very cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, when it comes to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: CDs, like, do people still see our CDs collectible in the same way that vinyl?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have like limited edition CDs that are actually like, kind of chaseable, I guess?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's definitely a CD collector's market, you know, because

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a certain CDs are just never going to be made again, like I don't know that you're ever going to find a copy of, you know, invincible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to make a new, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like they're not going to make a new pressing of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, there's also like copies in every used store in America for like, yeah, they're not going to make another pressing of, please hammer don't hurt them, but when you can get, yeah, get one hundred dollar anywhere you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are, like, certainly obscure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, more obscure records that only sold a few thousand copies that, you know, if you have a copy and it's in good condition, you can probably get like a hundred bucks or maybe even more for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, some reissues that were pressed in like limited quantities or, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, there is definitely a CD market that is actually fairly similar to the vinyl market.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just did a Google search on what is like the most sought after CD set or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a Woodstock 38 CD set from 2019 that could fetch 5K, which is kind of wild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a Nirvana UK promotional only version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Penny Royal T seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that could fetch two grand for a CD single.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm looking now just about Michael stuff and there is a box set that came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think right, maybe like a year, I think during the trial,

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[SPEAKER_00]: um, a call to ultimate collection, which I actually own, um, uh, and apparently, uh, seals copy of that box set is worth $1,500.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, that's, that's, that's not nothing to see on that at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't imagine that you are going to stop collecting music until the end man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this is something that is just always going to be a part of you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, if people are watching the video versions of our shows, there are, you know, most episodes you have an album in the background.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have multiple albums in the background, so you can actually see what, uh, my

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna be it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next time, I don't want to jinx myself here, but I think we are going to do the woo episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be the next one and lots of lots of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an interesting one to me because I did not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not, my hip-hop fandom did not go like, oh, Wu Tang is the best of all time and this and that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I kind of like, this is cool, but it's not really my thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm holding on to other artists like Tribe a little tighter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had some space to kind of get into the Wu Tang stuff much later and I do like a lot of it, but I don't like, oh, I'm not like the biggest Wu head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Mike, I'm WG50 for 50.net.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See you when we see you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace out.