SZA's Ctrl: From TDE's Only Woman to Movie Star | 50 For 50

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we are back with 50 for 50, and Mike, this is a little bit of a different podcast I think because a lot of our episodes are based around artists that we grew up on, artists that we are so familiar with because they have tons of albums that we've listened to all throughout the years, I would say, you know, we've done episodes like this before Frank Ocean and Salange, but I know even less.

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[SPEAKER_01]: about our subject, SZA, then I knew about Salon and Frank Ocean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm not that I'm going into this flying blind, but I am definitely relying on my research for her background and how she kind of came to be and such.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I always open up with, how did you come into the, uh, SZA the musician?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where did you first hear her?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, man, I was thinking about this earlier and I'm drawing like a complete blank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, at some point I bought the album that we're talking about and I don't know if it was just like word of mouth from other people who were listening to her or yeah, I don't know because the resources where you and I

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, through the radio or through MTV or through reviews or whatever, like, Susan never hit my radar on any of those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm, I'm at a, I like, there, there was a day when I did know she wasn't in there was a day when I did know she wasn't, I don't know what that day was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if I'm on a guess, I think I was like, I like Kendrick Kendrick Ross was Sizzah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thus Sizzah must be cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give this a shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a half to think that that's how it came to be for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I knew immediately of the Kendrick in Sizzah connection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She might have been on somebody else's record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know she was on like a drink record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was on a couple other like she wrote a Rihanna song that yeah kind of yeah got famous that I think is what it was okay The last Rihanna album anti the first song on album consideration features and I think that is the first time I heard of There you go

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to begin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's only got two proper studio albums, but she did a bunch of mixed tapes that I didn't even realize existed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were nowhere that I could find them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So not that I could even do any research there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you know what we'll talk about control, which is the 2017 release and then we'll talk a little bit about SOS, which was her follow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh but let's sit in the year of 2017 because the first note I have here in 2017 is something that I was looking forward to and I imagine you were looking forward to at a bunch

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know why I was looking forward to that album is because that came out around the same time the new edition documentary came out or not the documentary though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The viral series yeah the by the yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah okay but I figured that this was the you know these are the grown-ass men version of Bellbibdvo versus the previous album from the early 2000s which was not good

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, you know, for... Belvedereville will always have new addition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they will always be in an upper tier for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you have the debut that they did,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And your, your follow up is, okay, maybe maybe at times past a little bit on you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then after that, it was like nonsense and then nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were like, hey, we know you can do new addition stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We hear you on the new addition stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you bring a little bit back to BPD?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought this, well, this album is not great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a nice transition into these, you know, late 40s or mid 40s at whatever that however age they were when they then they made the album because it's now it's almost 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost 10 years, so yeah, probably late 40s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like, this is a grown-ass man Bellbiv de Vaux album and I really enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's some there's a couple of good songs on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did a song with SWV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did a song with boys to men.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not it's not as embarrassing as that previous album that you mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember I did a fun I you know blogging back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a fun piece where I was like I'm ranking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: all of Bellevue to those songs from bottom to top and you listen to, I listen to it, but I cheated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I cheated and I said, I don't remember how many songs that they had in their entire discography, but this was before the three stripes album and I said something like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was not good, I always tell her what they were trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think they were trying to, you know, it's early 2000s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're a little bit past Puffy and we're sort of in like the job rule era, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're trying to do like kind of like Jiggy hip hop, you know, trying to do like a little Jay-Z adjacent tight stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they had a song where Ralph and that song sucked and it's like, how can you do a song

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[SPEAKER_00]: essentially new addition because bbd plus rough was the entirety of new addition at some point and like have it not be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just I was so disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What else happened in the year of 2017?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, February 5th, Luke Bryan perform the national anthem, Lady Gaga perform during halftime of the Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lady Gaga's halftime set garnered 117.5 million viewers becoming the second most watched Super Bowl halftime show in history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to guess that that has since been beaten, but probably the 59th Grammy Awards, February 12th hosted by James

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[SPEAKER_01]: Adele won the most awards with five, including out of the year, um, she also won record and song for Hello, chance the rapper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, remember him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One best new artist, best rap performance and best rap album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I already asked you what the hell happened to chance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still wondering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know man, your guess is as good as mine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw him on like a game show recently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of those, like, guests to song or something like that game shows now is like, oh, good for chance the rapper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's another, I think I was trying to remember this guy's name previously when we talked about chance, but also logic at that logic was like a nice young rapper coming up, and then he kind of disappeared to I think logic retired did he retire I think he did one of those like jazzy this is my last album type things I'm not sure I logic to me was always kind of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like, I don't know, just like a random blend white rapper kind of like the white chancellor rapper actually I think I thought logic was like mixed

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[SPEAKER_00]: Easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look like a white boy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: May we're fast forwarding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: May 18th, Chris Cornell, front man for Soundguard and audio slave dies and Detroit at the age of 52 and the random years that these guys pass away at just when they're around the 50s, it gets me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty insane after performing a concert with Sound Garden.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was found that he hanged himself in his Detroit hotel room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fans and media outlets took notice of Cornell's choice of date and method and their direct parallels with the suicide of joy division frontman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I incurred this exactly 37 years prior.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even realize that part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't know that part either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: June 30th, Jay Z released 444.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we getting another whole album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does he do we need another whole album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we need another Hove album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Hove needs another Hove album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there is this talk of Super Bowl halftime show and Jay-Z is part of this committee to who decides the artist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't sound like they have one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's speculation that Jay-Z could be the halftime artist at Super Bowl show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which would make a lot of sense because he's got the gravitas and he's got the, you know, from the folks who actually watched the Super Bowl probably a little bit more of an older crowd than necessary because such a casual game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it fits and if it does,

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is a lot of artists do around the Super Bowl?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They use that to promote something else that they're doing right so I could totally see Jay-Z Unless it's another Carder's album with Beyonce which I would actually want that less than an actual Jay-Z album Yeah, I don't know man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think a 60 year old Jay-Z is going to Like he's not gonna pull off an LL

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't think he has anything left to say really, uh, uh, so, you know, if you does have time, I'm sure he'll bring up like 6,000 guests.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, and that's part of the game because you want, right, that's part of the crowd that you're speaking to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want, you know, you want to, you know, you want to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this person doesn't like Jay-Z, but oh, guess what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here comes Alicia Keys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I like Alicia Keys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's that thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe he'll get on stage with Beyonce and rip her brow off and show her TD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Beyonce's not doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Beyonce's like you're not getting anywhere near mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same day, by the way, TLC released their first album in 15 years titled TLC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that in our TLC episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: August 8th legendary country music singer songwriter Glenn Campbell died after suffering from Alzheimer's disease for six years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, you know, the Alzheimer's disease is like of, I know this disease has been around a lot prior, but I feel like there's just so many more of them these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm wrong, but it just feels that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it seems like there's more Parkinson's in ALS than Alzheimer's, but you know, those are all three of those things are, you know, we're getting up to the point where we need to look out for all of those in addition to like a variety of other things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, the shingleshot took me out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get my COVID shot on Thursday, I think, so ready for another weekend feeling like crap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did we talk about my crazy reaction to that shot?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, to the shingleshot and to the COVID shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To the shingleshot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't take the second one and I can't take my next COVID flu until I see an allergist because my body does not like whatever is in these shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I saw anologist for the first time like a year ago and they do the thing where they stick you with all the uh, you know, potential allergens and came back with like a print out and it's like, you know, you're allergic to all of these different things, some of which I had like I'm allergic to cockroaches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I live in New York City.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it is very hard to live in New York City, to live in Brooklyn and not come in contact with a cockroach, even though- I mean, what happens if you come in contact with it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, nothing as far as I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So does have to bite you or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think cockroach is bite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or does that crawl on you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would love to know because I get this crazy skin reaction and it's kind of frustrating for a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's got to be something in there and it even scars a little bit too, like it lightly scars, so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, um, August 25th Taylor Swift released, look what you made me do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The lead single from her sixth studio album, Reputation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The music video gained 40.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 3.2 million views in 24 hours, which broke the 24 hour Vivo record previously held by Adele.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that Vivo does that still exist?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So exists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like on demand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of, well, everything's on demand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's like, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: How can I explain it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something on your TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's opposed to like a free thing you pull up on your computer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you have to have, it's like a cable service or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Similar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, we have decided that we are going to do a Taylor Swift episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So 1989, her album from 2015 is the album we are going to tackle on 50 for 50.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I have a stepdaughter who is a Taylor Swift fan, so I have listened to her stuff a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mind the young 30s to mid 30 year old Taylor her celebrity is out of control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's insane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to take that into account of what she is writing about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, she's not the most mature artist in the world, but I feel like she's grown a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, now she's a married woman and maybe she's going to have children at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens with this Taylor Swift brand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, September 8th, living color released their first album in eight years, shade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you remember of this album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I owned it at one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I also have had a work relationship with living color over the years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I'm glad they're still out there putting on good shows getting some of that WWE money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, from CM Punk, yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, CM Punk, he was at a Cubs game and he threw out the first pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, it wasn't 50, it was not 50 cent, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like that's the worst one I've ever seen in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was the 50 cent one, but I was like, maybe I would have tried to not have them show me throw a first pitch since I am in supposed to be an athletic person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the thing, it's worse when you see an athlete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: do one of those first pitch things and they mess it up and you're like, but I feel like if you're athletic at one thing, if you're good at one athletic thing, you should be at least decent at most other athletic things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And throwing the first pitch is not near the top of the list in terms of like the difficulty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it this way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming CM Punk through with his dominant arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm right-handed when I throw a baseball, I'm right-handed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I picked it up and threw with my left hand, way more impressive than see him throwing a jump.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how bad it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And October 2nd, Tom Petty dies of cardiac arrest at his home in Maloo, California at the age of 66.

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[SPEAKER_01]: October 13th, Pink released her first album of five years,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We finally finished.

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[SPEAKER_01]: mapping out the rest of the albums and we were stuck on a few of the, um, you know, a few of the 2000 years that we just didn't really figure out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And 2023 was the last year for us to figure out and we chose pink's trust fall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And album, which I liked by the way, as are 2023 albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we are locked in and, you know, just for just for funsies here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna list off the albums we still have to do for the rest of this podcast project.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, 1976 songs in the key of life, Stevie Wonder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we decided that this was gonna be the last album that we do as part of this project.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, 1977, the stranger Billy Joel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 1978 here my dear Marvin Gaye so as you can tell our late 70s we need to kind of pick it up but we got it we got it I think we're gonna do Marvin sooner than later the problem with the Billy Joe album is I still need to finish watching that docu the four part documentary that I've just put it off so after I finished that then we'll do Billy but um that's that's really

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[SPEAKER_01]: 1985, Phil Collins, no jacket required.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, from 1986 through 1998, we did all those albums or we did what we're doing, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So 1999, things fall apart, the roots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 2000 Voodoo, DeAngelo, 2001, and we're saving this for the anniversary of this album, Michael Jackson's Invincible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing technically three MJ episodes, but one of them was a Jackson's episode, but the MJ's career, we cut it off when we did, when we did off the wall, we cut it off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We cut it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at bad or dangerous, I don't know if we could have a bad or remember correctly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so dangerous through invincible, we will cover on the invincible album for Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 22, 2002, instant vintage, Raphael Sadeek, 2006, which will be the next episode, John Mayer's continuum, 2013, Beyonce, 2014, Love Marriage and Divorce, Tony Braxton and Babyface,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned it to their Swift album, uh, 2019 Awaken My Love Childish Gambino, 2020, fetch the bolt cutters Fiona Apple, 2021 Flowers for Vases Haley Williams, 2022, Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers Kendrick Lamar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and twenty twenty five here for it all right carry twenty twenty six cabin in this guy day last soul so those are the albums we have left to do so we've got a lot of we've got a lot of work we got a ways to go yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, last part November 10th of 2017 Taylor Swift released reputation went on to sell one point two three eight million units in the US and two million worldwide in its first week of release in 2017 what is what does units mean at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a combination of physical units in streams I believe 150 streams equals one album unit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I would imagine at that point I mean tailored to always sells a bunch of physical units because she releases CDs in vinyl and all these different like variants with like different tracks and stuff like that so you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she understands how to game that system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's talk about SZA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, again, I did not know a lot about this woman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And including her age, like she's a little bit older than even realized.

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably early thirties, no?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she is, she might be the same age as Taylor, actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have her birthday as November 8th, 1989.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So her, her, I don't even know how to pronounce her born name, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, Salana is her first name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Imani?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it's the middle name and then row, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So only reason I know that is because she wanted Grammy and Lizzo presented her the Grammy and Lizzo basically shot it out her entire government name on the on the Grammy Awards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sisas, a pretty cool name though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: she was raised in New Jersey after her family relocated when she was young and she comes from religiously blended households, so her pops, Abdul Ibrahim Rho, Muslim and worked as a CNN producer, her mom, Audrey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Christian and worked as an AT&T executive so she grew up in an orthodox Islam practicing orthodox Islam

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[SPEAKER_01]: family and she had to wear like she had to dress very modest where like no okay she naturally like a hijab or anything yeah she did oh really okay interesting um and so I mean like if you think about the artist that she portrays like she's very like free spirited and so you wouldn't think that she came from this crazy religious background

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is the thing is people that come from those conservative backgrounds like when they finally break out, they break all the way out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does seem like she still has a lot of the, you know, kind of the, I don't know if she practices necessarily, but you could tell like, kind of what makes her her, like there is still some of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there, but yeah, if you look at like one of the things that I think is fascinating about her,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like the most fun Instagram follow that and she doesn't do anything different other than She just drops like 10 photos like once a month and it's they're always really creative And she's in different styles of dress and she's smiling and she looks she looks like she's having a blast It's almost like like we know

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[SPEAKER_01]: that these photos are staged for Instagram.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's almost like they're not staged for Instagram, like to to be able to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really smart and savvy about knowing who you are and who your audience is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I love that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that about her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to think that she came from this really strict upbringing, it's kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess you also was a competitive gymnast in a cheerleader as she was growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she went to college, a Delaware state, and she just didn't finish her degree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was studying marine biology at one point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She worked a string of jobs, Sephora, and Hooters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What happened to Hooters?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hooters still around?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As long as there is a Midwest in the South, there's got to be a Hooters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a Hooters near me years and years and years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it exists anymore here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's kind of been replaced by like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are these like Vietnamese coffee shops, which kind of take on that hudders brand of like, you know, yeah, like, it's it's kind of a risk gay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's risk gay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been to one, but I see people posting about them on like Instagram and stuff about how.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of, they possibly scandalous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been, but yeah, like who does just, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just kind of disappeared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get why, you know, I'm sure the idea of having women dressed like in short shorts and short shirts and stuff is probably not the best business plan in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least in any ride live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's going to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's going to be crappy, like, sexual, like that archetype is going to exist no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet that hooter is still very much a popular brand in the Midwest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was, I think last time I was in Vegas, there was a hooter's hotel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Vegas is kind of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All hands on deck like we're pushing this we're pushing everything as much as we can But okay, let's not not that this podcast is at all about strip clubs, but strip groups don't seem to be I'm not going anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but but strip clubs are also also do not feel as

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[SPEAKER_01]: popular or casual as they did when we were younger like I don't see people go and like oh yeah I mean the homies were going to strip club the story club.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's obviously not the crew to that run with so I have no idea Yeah, I mean

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, because, you know, we don't need to live in a world where we're never objectified like that, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I will say for the record, who knows, has the best wings of any chain restaurant I've ever been to in my life?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting, even like Buffalo Wild Wings or, um, I would say the other one that that's pretty pretty popular, I forget, I forget about that, the one that's called, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hooters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, me and someone I used to date actually used to go to Hooters on a regular it's for like, and I'd be like, just kind of laughing at myself because it was like two dudes who were a couple like being like, oh 100, let's go to Hooters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I go to, I've talked to people who were like, yeah, I go to the strip club for the buffet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, you do you, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the stage name of SZA comes from the Supreme alphabet used in the 5% nation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: S-Z-A roughly maps to Savior, zigzag zig, and a la.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She said she was drawn to the letters and the sound more than any strict doctrinal commitment adopted it as our artist name before she even had in a music career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She started making music by recording over beats she found on message boards in early sound cloud type of sites teaching herself how to layer vocals and arrangement with no formal training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People just people just have an ear for it, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, I think, yeah, that's always, like, that's always way more impressive to me than someone who like learns how to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know why it is, but maybe it's because I was like, I would never want to learn because it seems really hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I had an ear for it, but yeah, I'm always super impressed by people who can do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She releases her first Mixtape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: C is a run in 2012.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that Mixtape finds its way to top dog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Kendrick, School Boy Q, is it Ab-Soul, is that the guy's in?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jay Rock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so top dog founder, uh, that, uh, the guy, uh, Anthony Tiffeth signed her in 2013, making her the first woman on a roster otherwise built around a bunch of dudes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so she gets launched into this hip hop label, which was kind of like, you know, for her, she's a young lady.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, okay, what do I do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, the bunch of rappers, am I just here to sing, you know, sing backgrounds?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of a thing for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was the only woman and she felt like she was kind of like an an experiment of sorts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, I mean, for Top Dog, like...

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's there's something to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure she's the first woman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're hip-hop label.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you produce what is going to be the R&B kind of music for for somebody?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the thing is it's like not only was she the first woman scientific label.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was the first non-rapper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Science of the label.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, she almost walked away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Control was delayed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was insecure about a lot of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the label president, Terence Henderson, and other folks from Top Dog, Talkdruff, the ledge, and push her to just complete control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just finish the album and see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we mentioned, she wrote for, she co-wrote Rihanna's consideration, and that kind of put her on the map before the album came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was a little bit of anticipation, like, oh, who's this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What can I find out more about this person?

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[SPEAKER_01]: When are they coming out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So control, which is released in June, but she already had a little bit of credibility before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there were, you know, it's not not, you know, not dissimilar to other people who, you know, you and I would be like, we know this album is coming and we're kind of waiting and waiting and waiting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a little bit of that with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, when we talked about Kanye or, you know, when you talk about Frank Ocean, like this person has already been kind of like in the background, whether as a producer or a writer or a featured artist, just kind of like building up anticipation for the album they put out on their own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she does this interesting thing, which is probably, uh, I would say different from most people in her lane, is she drops control

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she's just on other people's songs for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the song, maybe my favorite song with Sizzah on it is the song from the Black Panther soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if we were doing a top five for Sizzah, that would probably be all the stars would be my number one for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing it by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not enough repertoire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and plus we're gonna do an episode of the cool check-in that you'll see shortly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: SOS doesn't come out for five years, which is like a lifetime in, in, in some cases for us, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a Michael Jackson break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of different ways to do this, um, some artists, they don't want to go away because if they feel like if they go away, people will forget about them, but she stayed in contact with her audience doing other things and still being, you know, relevant by being part of the Kendrick, uh, you know, the Kendrick ecosystem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, just waiting for five years like I was trying to remember like I had just assumed I was like, uh, it was probably like two years and I was like, what five years?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember it being five years until SOS came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, control took a minute to really like pop off the way that it popped off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, I've probably between touring and being another people's records and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, it took a minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's, I want to, I want to zag a little bit here, or is it zig?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is the one where you go left?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever that one is, that's what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're zagging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, whatever it is, have you seen the movie one of them days?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is that the movie we're her and Kiki Palmer?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have not seen it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, is it good?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She, okay, here's my hot take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna bump up my hot take to right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so good in that movie She should Not give up music in any way because I think she's very talented, but she should find out If she Can and maybe it's with Kiki, maybe it's with some other artists

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[SPEAKER_01]: But bring back like the buddy comedy or bring back comedies because that movie

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[SPEAKER_01]: was very successful for its budget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not all because of Sizzah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kiki Palmer is she's a thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's, you know, she's got a really nice career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Sizzah being her partner in this movie, Sizzah is so funny, just naturally funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And on the screen, she, you just see her and you're like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's this woman bin all of our lives?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm gonna cook.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a comparison that is somewhat racial in a way, but the person who I thought about when I saw Saza and there are two different lanes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Isare is like one of the most talented people out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isare

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[SPEAKER_01]: like has insecure that show when that show was out like that show was fantastic and she's done other things but I'm like waiting for Eceray to be one of the most famous people in the world and that hasn't happened yet for whatever reason but that's how talented I think Eceray is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think SZA

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, she doesn't have the same comedic writing and style of eastera eastera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been doing this for a very long time, but Sizzah has the same sense of humor and the natural charisma for comedy that someone like eastera does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh, if I was says I would go head full head of steam into the movie business, maybe even a TV show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's because they should be doing like a sitcom and sitcoms are kind of tough today, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: a very smart television show that is somewhat comedic because I think she's like got this insane lane for her and I think she can actually be as big or bigger of a movie star as she is a music pop star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my hot take says a I want to see more I want to see just one of them days part two electric bugaloo style But yeah, I think it's is a script look you should you should watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you would enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's not It's it's not a movie that has this new idea or anything but the two women on screen together you're like

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[SPEAKER_01]: They should be best friends forever like that's how good they are together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So really fun crystal and I went to see it in the theaters last last year to year before Okay now back to the music So we mentioned the Kendrick Lamar song all the stars from the black Panther album That I thought that was a giant song

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, the biggest one is the collaboration for Kendrick's last album, which is based on a little bit of a song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So much so that Sheriff thought Luther himself had come back on the dead and won the Grammy for this song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did that say about share man people would be like No, we've got to watch her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks share 80s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's cut the woman some slack dating dating 30 year old men 20 right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if you got it you got it

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe maybe she needs uh she needs that dude to just make sure that she knows who's dead in the live these days if she's going on stage Um, but like what did you think about that song cuz it's kind of a cheat code, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a little bit of a cheat code very familiar sample a sample of a song that people love and so they kind of have it half way there already And then they flip it with Kendrick and says uh what what did you think about song?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of a smart thing for, you know, because it's like, they got, because it's Kendrick and Siser, they got the young people, and then because of that sample, they got the aunties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, it was, you know, that is how you engineer a huge, huge record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You try to get as many audiences as possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Kendrick's not really rapping on that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's singing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can even potentially, and there's also, and I remember reading that in order to use the sample, Luther's estate said that there couldn't be any profanity on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is there any better words, man?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you could, which is weird, because I feel like I have a decent idea of how copyrights and all that stuff works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Luther doesn't own that song, first of all, because if this world

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that song was written, I believe, by Ashford and Simpson, or whoever wrote that song would own the songwriting copy, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But probably in order to use the actual record, they had to get, you know, Lucas permission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many MFs you think Luther uttered in his lifetime?

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, lots just not on wax.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, you know, I think I think behind scenes Luther and just judging from like things I've read and interviews I've read Luther and like in front of the camera Luther were for a variety of reasons to very different human beings I think the smartest the smartest thing about that song is that like my twin stepson's were like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like the samples Luther Vandros, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yep, like, and so like they got it, you know, immediately like you said you're kind of touching the younger at night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it made them go do a deep dive on Luther's discography or anything, but they're like, oh, Luther Vandros got it, like that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was a really smart thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's also done stuff with Doji Cat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Travis Scott is on both of her albums, the Rihanna song we mentioned, so she's, you know, she's very smart about staying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on the radio still existing, you know, on the hit songs and, you know, not going away for too long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really like what top dog and her do as far as just keeping her in the music sphere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think it's really smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about her sound?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her actual sound, her singing voice, the production style of her albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is it something that resonates with you like R&B when we were younger?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what does your take on scissor the artist?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I...

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's weird, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because control, like I dug that out for a long time and then it kind of wore off me a little bit, I don't think that R&B in its career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's weird to even consider a citizen R&B artist because I don't think the music she makes is very R&B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's pop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with like influences from all sorts of other different places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she has particularly soulful singing voice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also don't like the melodic structure of some of those songs, like isn't really there for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hear hooks and choruses a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no rap songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, she sings like a rapper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she's good at what she does, but it's, you know, it's really not my cup of tea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's talented.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that she has the audience that she has, but speaking from like a musical perspective, like my taste runs a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I think she's I like her spirit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love her spirit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love what she represents as who she is, but I can't imagine Jam and Lewis being like all right We got these 10 songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna knock these 10 songs out and she's like, I'll see you guys in a couple days

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think also it would be awesome if she made a record with someone who wrote songs or co-wrote songs or produced songs in a more like traditional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like verse chorus verse chorus bridge fade kind of like yeah way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to hear it But I feel like that would go against what she's about kind of like like she would maybe feel a little bit caged in in a sense, you know, maybe So put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm I I'd be down for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got you know, I'm pretty much down for Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis working with anybody

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think baby face gets a Is it a producing credit on SOS like there's like cuz SOS sample well SOS

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[SPEAKER_01]: is a little bit more of like a classic R&B sound doesn't mean that the stylings of the songs are fundamentally like classic R&B, but like the production styles are a little bit more classical R&B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, to my ears, like that stuff sits a lot better, like just the familiarization of my ears to that style of music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's some of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know control had she done SOS out of the gate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it would have landed as well as control did because part of control and I do wonder

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously, the reason why I brought up Jim and Lewis is because Janet Jackson had an album called Control Control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Susa spells it differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't use any of the vowels in that word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do wonder, like, it was there an influence of what Janet did in the idea behind Susa's first album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is it the control of the hip-hop era or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that how they thought about it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's possible and I would have to imagine that as a 37-year-old black woman, she was very highly influenced by Janet Jackson just, you know, because any person of that age making pop music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is probably going to be influenced by Janet Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it was a tribute and she's paying homage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am looking at the credits for SOS right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it does look like baby face co-wrote and co-produced one of the songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Snooze, which was one of the bigger hits off the record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's not a sample, not an interpolation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, like, you know, he put his pen on paper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: good on baby face man still working with the young and well I guess yes it's not a young young young in any more relative to you know baby faces damn you're 70 years old at this point so in 20 we're getting a little bit ahead of myself but I was interested to see the 20 24 Grammys she got an album of the year record of the year and song of the year nomination

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[SPEAKER_01]: which is pretty pretty interesting for the style of music I don't I mean I guess from a popularity standpoint it fits with the Grammys would want but just from a style standpoint I'm kind of surprised that it did get those norms I mean it was a huge record actually think SOS is still in the Billboard top 20

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, two years later, uh, I think largely because it has like six million tracks and, um, you know, it's another like Taylor, I think this is game in the charts a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, she re-released SOS as a double album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like, there's like 40 songs on that thing or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the lot of version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see, so, yeah, so the control, for control, and the 2018 Grammys, CISA was nominated for Best New Artist, and was she nominated for Alma the Year on 2018, who's possible?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She lost best new artist to Alessia Cara, is Alessia Cara still out there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in what we'll do the Grammys Redux thing right now, but Sizzas SOS versus Taylor Swift's midnights, because Taylor Swift's midnights, one album of the year, the year that SOS was was nominated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're not a big Taylor fan, but that doesn't surprise me that she lost the Taylor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think every time Taylor Swift is nominated for an album of the year award, she wins it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then obviously like we said record of the year 2026 Grammys she and Kendrick one four Luther so yeah that you know that it's it's so interesting to me because as we go through these Grammy years

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[SPEAKER_01]: like music changes so much like we you know where what we're going through and it's like okay these were the biggest albums of the year Michael Jackson you know prints Madonna and then you see hip-hop come in and hip-hop kind of gets like the heisman for like many many years until it just takes over and then it's it's more celebrated but then you see these like

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[SPEAKER_01]: old ass Ray Charles albums like slide in and steal awards and such and so yeah see something like Luther win record of the year and you see Kendrick and Sizzah standing on stage together as like like wow this kind of a moment like it's kind of cool to see that well it's like the old guard that

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, didn't vote for Alcast or whatever and voted for Ray Charles, like that old guard has died off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the Grammys have always been about politics, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not really about any award show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be about politics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really about talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, they're looking at popularity plus, you know, who were the people who were voting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that there's enough...

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[SPEAKER_00]: people that are familiar with hip-hop because hip-hop is 52 years old at this point, that are not going to think twice about voting for a rap record for, you know, a record of the era out in the year or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she had three mixtapes before control came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So C's is a run, S, and then Z.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So 2012 through 2014, she had the three mixtapes, and then control 2017, SOS 2022, and then the Lana version of SOS 2024.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I listened to that Lana version in preparation for this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not not that I like was stopping it, but it was just like so this is like four albums of music in this one Deluxe version here It's not happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's deep dive on control a little bit here

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, certified multiplatum in the years following a really slow building like you said, word of mouth kind of thing, um, critically, it was pretty beloved from what I remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember a lot of people thinking that this was a, you know, bad or one hit wonder or anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people recognize it as like, okay, this is, you know, there was some work put into this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was some thought put into this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... cizda has talked about uh... her own kind of uh... perfectionism and insecurities around the album and and top dog kind of you know giving her the helping her with her backbone the true berry more song uh... is named directly after the actress of course it had to be what else you're going to be having a house it was only one true barren more

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because she thought Barrymore represented a specific kind of coming of age, awkwardness and vulnerability that she related to, um, she's got interlues with her mom and her grandmother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think her grandmother passed away, at some point, fairly recently, and I think she, uh, there's a song, an ode to her grandmother on, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So was super model the first single because that's the song that I remember when the album came out It might have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know what if they released singles in like the traditional sense Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I don't know what order they came out in But um, yeah, like I said, you know at the beginning it kind of seemed like she wasn't there and all of a sudden it was like oh shit This is everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, super model is

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so it's interesting because like we said listen to R&B music where she's talking about like infidelities in a way that's a little bit more graphic than an R&B song would necessarily talk about infidelities But at the same time kind of a

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[SPEAKER_01]: breath a fresh air like what you what are you really trying to say oh yeah I'm sleeping with your homie like you're you're cheating on me I'm sleeping with your homie like that kind of thing so uh very very her spirit again her spirit to me is really the big thing I think my favorite song on the album might be prom and it prom is my favorite song on the album it has that

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[SPEAKER_01]: that kind of tempo that I kind of relate to the devhines like Blood Orange kind of sound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that I really enjoy and I think her voice works really well with prom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are any other songs that you kind of rock with on this album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was listening to the, I'm trying to like just jog my memory and remember what I love so much about the album like I think broken clocks is a good song, you know, I but prom by far is my favorite and I also like when I listen to prom and actually when I listen to even when I was listening to like SOS and killed Bill and songs like that, yeah, like CISA almost strikes me is like the alternative rock kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: R&B girl, like, to me, she sounds more like, again, more like a pop or rock singer than she does, like an R&B singer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think people call it an R&B song because she's black.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, she has more in common from the like the lyrical content to like the timber of her voice, with more sort of like alternative girls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... so you mentioned kill bill and that is a ridiculous song by the way he's a ridiculous song he's a ridiculous song that's a good man you just want people to to be looking into your your your iPhone man you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said you said

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I like the sound of SOS, maybe even a little bit more than control, but control just hat, you know, you only have that one chance to make the first impression and I think control makes that first impression just like you're just like boom, like this is who she is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now I enjoy

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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of the pop stars kind of look similar like, you know, thin and, uh, you know, the way that they're trying to present themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, the opposite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's, she's, she's got a, uh, a curvy figure, but she's not fat anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's, she's in shape, too, but she just has different curves and she embraces those and she

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[SPEAKER_01]: an endearing way but also kind of edgy way i think like there was um i think she went on a retreat um because there was a video of her where she was like washing her hair in what looked like to be like a little pond or something and she's facing like she's from what i can tell she's naked but she's facing the opposite side so all you see is like her back and like

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[SPEAKER_01]: like a sliver of the butt crack, but like she did that purposely, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's like edgy content for people who are scissor fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, I see what you're doing, but go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good, good on you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Show your butt crack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so there's um, and I'm moving a little bit to SOS because she only has the two albums, but what did you think about the old dirty bastard verse, which is the last song on SOS?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even realize that she, she had him on this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, we don't need to be resurrected into dead people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I'm like, what is the impetus for it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like who, who is like, unless she's like just a giant ODP fan?

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[SPEAKER_01]: ODP fan?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, CISA, GISA, RISA?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, how a lot of those guys with their religious beliefs were as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, same place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I didn't see that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I would say...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Controls probably the better album or at least the one that resonates more with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I was to pick, I'd probably go back to control, but I think SOS is a nice follow-up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I like the double album Lawner version, because it's like a, it just feels like a...

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a digital digital song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, control is way more compact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I can't do 20 song albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's just it's way too much of a demand on my time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't have to really do tears here because she's only got to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got two records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what would your no skips rating be here for control?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'd give it probably like a six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little higher because, um, the one thing that I, I liked about the album is, and this is interesting because,

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[SPEAKER_01]: outside of supermodel and prom I don't know that there's like a song that I'm like I need to go pull that album up to listen to this song but I think that the flow and the structure of the album is pretty good so I'd probably go seven but I think it's kind of missing

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what's the Billie Jean of this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the rewind that back again?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's the one that I'm just going to go keep going back and back and back again?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't really know that that that that exists for me on this album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's end this with dream collaborator.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would you like to see Cisza work with as she grows into the later parts of her career?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Huh, that's an interesting question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I wouldn't mind like, that scissor Rihanna song is only like two minutes long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, if I remember the song correctly, or maybe I'm thinking of something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like us as a Rihanna collaboration, we pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanna see scissor do a record with like Miguel or like Tain and Paula or like, somebody who kind of rides that like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: sort of alternative sort of alternative sort of sort of R and B influence mine, you know, if she did a record with blood orange.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I was going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just for the spirit of both of these women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So so launch like something so launch is doing I would love to see her kind of like maybe she would write a song for Sizzon maybe you know work on the production maybe get Q tip in there I would love to hear like a so like a so launch Sizzon and Q tip drops a verse on the song kind of deal

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even Cisad doing like an acoustic like there's one song on the second album called like nobody gets me I think it's called and that is my favorite song And I'm cuz it's really just heard like an acoustic guitar and it's more of a a classically structured song again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to do a record where it's like It's where she is not trying to flow like a rapper I want her to like sing sing right right

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a control 2017 and like I said next one is going to be John Mayer's continuum which is one that we've held back and I'm about I'm through

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[SPEAKER_01]: what is what when when he goes a little country folk see those two albums uh so uh that's where I'm at born and raised born and raised I just was fairly paradise valley is where I'm sitting right now with my relis it's a lot of fun man you know what I realized the follow-up to continuum battle studies studies hmm you know how do you follow-up the greatest record that you ever made or the greatest album that you ever made

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just realized like, there's a lot of songs on bass that I said they're really, really like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a handful of songs on an album that I like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can talk about this next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was a little disappointed in that album, but it was like, it's on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was because we had the expectations or so high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the second album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it is really good as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's coming off of like just building and building and building and you're like battle studies is going to be bigger than continuum and then it was like no right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But and then we'll talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The man is also dealing with celebrity at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was going through some shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you get a song with Taylor Swift, and your life is kind of your making statements, talking about people you slept with, and, you know, and sexual napal, and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that that that has been a name of my couple of my fantasy fantasy football teams over the years sexual napal okay so we'll be back with a john mayor and like i said we're gonna have an episode of the cool check in later this week so you can check that out not gonna spoil it but uh you will you will know it when you see it so all right that is it from here uh for mike i am double g we will see you when we see you peace out