Confessions on a Dance Floor & the Madonna Story: A Full Career Deep Dive

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are back, 50 for 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are doing an episode on Madonna.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Through the lens of her 2005 album, Confessions on a dance floor, which I always want to say, Confessions of a dance floor, which would have been very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I always think it's Confessions from a dance floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I think we're on similar pages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did she just put out in part two?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Confessions two came out, I, time is, I don't know what time is now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably been like two months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I couldn't find an actual release date.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Quick, actually two months is about right because I think it came out on the fourth of July weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, that would actually time it right about two months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I haven't heard one peep about the album, which is so weird considering how music, I mean, it's just the way music works today, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, I've heard a ton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I read some great reviews, you know, the album debuted at number one and you know, I've listened to bits and pieces of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I've listened to it all the way through like once or twice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it sound similar to this, this one that we're going to talk about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 20, a little bit later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, she's definitely very much on like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's interesting about her career when I went through the albums again, like I think she, you know, people call her the queen of reinvention or whatever you want to call her about how she's able to kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: come to a little bit of a maybe a hurdle and then she can kind of flip the switch and be back with a different sound.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in some instances, that different sound might be very trendy to that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and maybe a little dated, but Snill, she's back because she's very understanding of culture, but then when she does bounce back, it seems like that club sound, that dance sound is really the one that she can count on to get her back in her comfort zone probably, like because if you go through her career, there's there have been

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[SPEAKER_00]: instance is where she's kind of chasing trends with a little bit more of an R&B sound.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'll throw on rapper of the month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's lots of Nicki Minaj stuff on her, you know, her 20 pens part of her career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that stuff is dated, fairly dated, you know, pretty much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: months after it comes out and when she goes back to the dance stuff that's the stuff that really sounds like you know that this music is a little bit more timeless when she goes back to the to the dance stuff but also that's her pocket right that's where that's where I think she sounds most natural right and and and more comfortable as well right yeah of course yeah I mean

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I was like to ask you this question, when would you have been first aware of Madonna?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I knew you were going to ask that question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you've done enough of these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I finally figured out the cadence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I can tell you exactly where I was or whatever, I mean Madonna has particularly living in New York, Madonna blew up here before she blew up anywhere else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like a full year before she was known nationally, if not more, her records were getting play, airplane on, you know, R&B and dance stations here locally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, New York is kind of her adopted home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, a lot of those early records that may not have been like big national hits from her first album were huge regional hits here in New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was definitely from the radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think for me it would have been two things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One, and you know, as time goes by, sometimes these things, I don't remember exactly the order that they happened, but MTV would have definitely been a big part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and a movie that I just recently watched because I just wanted to get back into that mid-80s time frame desperately seeking Susan don't much remember her in Rosanna are kept on the cover of that VHS sure I also remember my dad recorded it as you know back in the day you just

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[SPEAKER_00]: watch movies and record them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you'd have forever on your face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I remember he did that with desperate seeking Susan, which I never watched when I was younger until just recently, like I kind of understood the idea, but I just never sat, you know, it's kind of like, oh, what I want to just old movie for, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like those things are kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: woven together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what I'm remembering is maybe even when MTV would have been several years old, they would play back a lot of the older videos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So because I remember like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: borderline and stuff, but the other albums had already been out, but I would go back and they would show the older video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are kind of my hazy memories of Madonna.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not watch the VMAs where she did perform like a virgin lie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like a virgin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I mean, we would have probably gotten trouble if we watch that live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was we were eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was growing up, when I was that age, like there were certain things I could watch on TV and it was basically like cartoons and the cosplay show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So MTV was definitely not in the equation at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we were a BET household.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wouldn't have even known about that VMA performance until the years later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that, you know, I'm comfortable doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a ultimately a music podcast, but also we talk pop culture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned the Cosmyshow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know why Carl Payne was fired from the Cosmyshow?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he didn't interview with like DJ Vlad or like one of those people that I hate watching interviews from because they're all like reach, baby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not good interviewers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not good journalism at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I he explained it and I don't remember why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It had something to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with his hair, I think, and Bill was on his, it's my show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I call the shots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to clear everything with me and you can't change anything on his steas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, I think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm remembering correctly, he said something about the dance mania episode, where I think he said that was the last episode he did and then there was another episode where he had to shave his head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was something around that but then They basically told him, Okay, we're going to put you on time out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll call you back when we need you and he was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just never called me back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, we can add more cockroach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I have more cockroach with that's all right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we got him on Martin as coal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was a few years later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, but he also said like, he was so young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it felt like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like it was very traumatic experience for such a young man in the acting business to basically be told, you know, in so few words, like, don't mess with me, bro, like, this is my show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, that was, okay, back to Madonna, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry about the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an 18 side bar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the the other thing about what we'll get to the year 2005 here in a second, but I guess last thing I want to say about Madonna is she was able and this is an interesting thing because in re-watch in watching desperately seeking Susan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I wanted to see kind of just I just

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, she's kind of turned the, she's turned what was, I guess, what I perceived in the mid 80s where when it comes to man and woman, she kind of turns that on its head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause that movie is about dudes being controlled by her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she had that effect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was I'm glad to watch that movie because I remember watching it and going like, she had this thing where she was in control, like of all of the things that she did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you always talk about or you always hear about, you know, music business is like, it's a man's world, this and that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was able to take that and like turn it on its head a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought we thought that that was so impressive from her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's been her whole M.O.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for, you know, the 45 years of her career, you know, Madonna was the original boss bitch, you know, she kind of like came in and was like, oh, like, no, this is a man's industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, screw this, I'm going to do things my way and I'm going to win and she did it and I think she set the stage for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody has come after her, whether it's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, Janet or Beyonce or Taylor Swift or anybody who has come to the industry with that same energy owes a debt of gratitude to Madonna because Madonna opened that door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we are using the the 2005 album as as the lens to her career career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we could have used a number of different albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one just fit the timeline best for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She does have a lot of albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the interesting thing is, we are going to do a, I always, I keep saying this Mariah Carey episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this would have been a great year for us to do a Mariah Carey episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was emancipation year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is emancipation year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to use the, the hermost recent album as that timeline instead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this was, you know, we could have, like, if people think of when,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Madonna kind of had the the culture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're probably thinking mid to late 80s and maybe maybe early 90s, but 2005 is kind of like the Queen of comeback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was yet another comeback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's why we're doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, 2005 in music and the reason why I like going through what happened in these years is because it kind of takes us back to what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: January 22nd, the tsunami relief concert is held at Millenium Stadium in Cardiff, the largest live music event in the UK since the live aid concert of 85.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Madonna was at this concert or was performing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eric Clapton as well and some others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: February 13th, which was the 47th Grammys hosted

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[SPEAKER_00]: the late Ray Charles becomes the big winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: album of the year for genius loves company and record of the year for a re-recorded duet version of here we go again with Nora Jones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you remember about this album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, I owned it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I ever really listen to it, you know, Ray Charles is I have a lot of respect for Ray Charles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, right, brother Ray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of wasn't my, wasn't my thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What, when did the movie Ray come out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably around the same time, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think Ray was still alive when it, when they started filming it in any past away during the filming of it, if I remember correctly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, maybe look that up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Mayers, daughters, one song of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When song of the year for your worst song, moon five, one best new artist, Britney Spears, earned her first Grammy in the category of Best Dance Recording for Toxic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Toxic, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: March 29th, Mariah Carey releases her second single we belong together from her 10th studio album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The emancipation and Mimi, the song would hold the number one position of the Billboard Hot 100 for 14 weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The highest record for the entire decade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On this same day, Will Smith releases his fourth studio album, Lost and Found.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, forgot about that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that a brick?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was actually a hit record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a song switch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always found it interesting that he had a movie called Hitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, right around the same time, that might have been intentional, who knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: April 9, Destiny's Child launches their world tour, Destiny fulfilled and loving it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like I'm a McDonald's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to have been sponsored by McDonald's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I bet you sponsored by McDonald's April 12th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mariah Carey releases the emancipation of Mimi Album goes on to become the best selling album of 2005 in the US and the second best seller world wide with global sales of 10 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We belong together was later hailed a song of the decade by Billboard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a shake it off reached number two and the album begins a career revival for Mariah herself May 25th, Carrie Underwood wins the fourth season of American Idol and the only reason I put this here is because of this name of the person who came in second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't I haven't thought about this person maybe since that day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bob ice in Bob ice right good god what's he what's he doing

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does a bobb ice do in 2026?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, uh, he is one year older than us by the well, bobb ice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just hanging out, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he's still still doing music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to be performing at a state fair somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for bobb ice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, on June 4th, uh, more we belong together stuff, her 16th chart top or, um, it made history when it became the first song to simultaneously occupy the number one on nine Billboard charts, including hot ring tones, I don't think they have that number ring tones, no, they don't they definitely do not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How long do you think ring tones had a shelf life?

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[SPEAKER_01]: like five years maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you know what my my ringtone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't actually have my ringer on anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My phone is completely silent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think my ringtone is actually the Beverly Hills 90210 theme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my ringtone is one of my ringtone is want to be starting something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I, like, I don't hear it ever because my phone's never on my apple watch will kind of vibrate if I get a call anyways, and who calls other than spammers these days people's parents

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[SPEAKER_00]: People's parents would call in you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my parents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, my mom will still call me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My dad will text me, but my mom... Yeah, I've had to train my dad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't, you know, to the point where like the last time I called him, he was like, what's wrong?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, it's your birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not an emergency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: June 13th is we've been talking about this uh the the Michael Jackson trials and tribulations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's found not guilty of child molestation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the day that I got hired at the job that I still work at today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 21 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's been incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I come from the days when people like got a job in the state there, uh, people definitely do not do that anymore, but, you know, I, you know, 21 years in middle age like what the hell am I going to do, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That, that is one of the harder things about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, jobs like you're worried more about security when you get older, but then again, who's like, you know, what does security even mean, you know, you don't know how your company thinks about you and, you know, so it's it's kind of a a mind fucking away to to be, you know, to have your career still at our age, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... June 15th this is child announced they will disband upon completion of their world tour i guess they weren't loving it ha ha ha and they were trying to split in just three ways July 6th little kym is sentenced to a year in a day in prison for lying to a federal grand jury about her knowledge of suspects in a two thousand one shooting outside a new york radio station

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I had to go back and look this one up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't remember what the shooting was about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, it was a whole show about they did a joke all count down the lockdown with little Kim.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So her old junior mafia groupmate was shooting at somebody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was related to the little Kim Foxy Brown beef.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess some of the little Kim's people had it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: had a little bit of gunplay action with some of Foxy Brown's people, you know, and Kim was there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was in front of Hot 97, which, you know, in 2005, 2001, you know, was, you know, the biggest radio station in New York City.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's where all the rappers came through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said she wasn't there, but I think there was a video footage, yeah, put her on the scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, nori was involved or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Capone and Noriego were involved, like I don't know, I, you know, hip-hop beef is so complicated at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, I don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of just, uh, KVD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And two-pock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Puff Daddy is always going to be intertwined in here somehow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think about that whole situation?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's 30, it's actually today is three years to the day since Tupac was shot crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, uh, I mean, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't feel complete, like it doesn't feel right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that was to do that pull the trigger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also there's probably so much else that's been unsaid in that whole story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know, I don't want to speculate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it just feels like they convicted this dude just to say like they've reached completion in the case and like they don't want anybody to talk about it anymore, but there's so much beyond that, I think that's not being discussed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the only thing I can't even like why was due just confess in all of these public places.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no to write money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't who the hell even knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he believes that shugnight knows what happened in shugnight just won't say nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel fairly confident that I shouldn't, without having anything to do obviously with that case or knowing anything, I would feel fairly confident that Shigenite knows what exactly what happened and why it happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shigenite's coming up by the way in this 2005 look back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: August 18th, interscope records reports that M&M has entered rehab for dependency on sleep medication and my first question is, do you think it was sleep medication that he had a dependency on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: he was definitely poppin pills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, probably a variety of pills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm sure there was some steroids involved in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From a power standpoint, sleep, medication, price, sounds the best of all of the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's vague enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he was doing, I mean, he said on his records, he was doing like X and, you know, it's probably doing like a million different substances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that also, that is right around the time that like everybody in hip-hop

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, like it's been pushed under the rug, but there was definitely like some Royd scandals happening in hip hop around that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, the M&M piece of this made me think about Dolly partens passing, not that long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Indeed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And M&M, Dolly, shared a note that Dolly had sent him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when he made it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, I am no hip hop expert here, but I've been told that you're one of the greatest to whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just made me like, there's a lot of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: somewhat bad things that Eminem has said in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Dolly was still nice to him and, you know, tried to, you know, lift his spirits up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Married Dolly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I, all right, Pete Dolly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you know as happens when when people pass like all of a sudden Netflix has like every Dally part and movie that ever existed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I got to go back and watch me some nine to five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean me and my homeboy Greg shout out to Greg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We earlier this year when Dally turned 80 we actually went to a movie theater and we saw Ryan Stone, which is the one that she did with so much

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[SPEAKER_01]: How about it's a horrible movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also very funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think in, you know, the way most cheesy 80s movies are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: October 26, Rihanna releases her debut album, Music of the Sun, which debuts at number 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The album produces two singles that achieve international chart success, including Ponday replay, which topped number two on the Billboard Top Hot 100.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back to Shug Night, August 28, my guy is shot in the leg at the MTV VMAs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just got to leave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a Kanye party.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kanye also coming up right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here come the hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: August 30th, Kanye West releases a second studio album, Late Registration, which is still my favorite Kanye album, though I don't know that I've listened to it in quite some time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, man, gone, gone came up and shuffle a couple of days ago and I was like, man, this is a bob.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but don't you also, like, you cannot stay away from the conflicted feelings of when his music comes up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I definitely have conflicted feelings, but I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The conflicted feelings for me means that I will not listen to anything Kanye's put out in the last 10 years, probably even before that, but I still feel very close to those first couple of albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also think, you know, and we've talked about this when we did the, I watched the thrown episode, like, he apologized.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and like it's up to us, like it's not up to us to really determine how sincere or not sincere the apology is because only he and the people close to him know how sincere the apology is, but you know, I feel better about listening to his older stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with the understanding that he has said, hey, I said some sincerely fucked up shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I apologize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also did a song about Hitler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he did and you know what I think about like there was this thing in the news today about he had a concert in Chicago over the weekend and like the amount of people that showed I ate the show was sold out and the amount of people who came up on stage with them like kid, cutty and common and Rick Ross and like all the he had like 20 guests like

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[SPEAKER_01]: at the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess Kate Cuddy caught some smoke from Peter Rosenberg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Peter Rosenberg was like, so if somebody made a record and was like, hail the clan, you know, would you forgive him, you know, a year or whatever later?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, there have been pop stars and rock stars that

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[SPEAKER_01]: You will apologize, you know, I'm not necessarily going to go and buy all of your records going forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know, I can certainly appreciate to an extent this stuff that

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[SPEAKER_00]: You did before you know what's going to be hard is because Kanye does have an issue with you know he's he's mentioned being bipolar yeah and a lot of that is going to be based on medication and when he chooses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's what's going to happen is people are just going to gatekeep for the next thing that he says that's kind of off the Cuffalo and that's it and then we're going to go through this all over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's also what the internet does for everybody and everything It's like you know you're constantly on trial and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's like, I'm not, I'm not paying money for a Kanye West concert ticket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to wear a Kanye West T shirt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to buy any new Kanye West music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But late registration and college dropout were made by a different person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My head went to a concert, a Kanye concert during the life of Pablo time frame, and I think he was like an hour or two late and his set was so short I mean it's crazy man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was on the subway last week and it was a dude wearing a Jesus tour t-shirt a white dude

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, ugh, like this makes me feel weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I certainly would not go out in public wearing like, easy, isn't anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it's a song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was made long before this dude's rottenness came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, maybe I'm like Jedi mind tricking myself, but, you know, I, you know, and I still feel weird about it, but I don't necessarily feel as bad about it now as I would have felt six months ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: September 27th, American rapper Common releases the single testify for his 2005 album B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come with on your sorts with common thanks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Kanye's a big part of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember the Chappelle show kind of being a big part of that as well like yeah, those dudes on the Chappelle show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Who else is on this album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is is mayor on a track or something yeah John mayors on the song go Yeah, I don't I don't think there were too many guest artists on it But yeah, I mean the big the big thing about it is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, it was executive produced by Kanye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, his beats are all over it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it turned out to be, I think, Kanye's or comments most successful album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember it being like the one album that almost everybody who was a hip-hop fan was like, okay, this album is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, when you, when you talk about certain artists, you have so many different opinions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one just like sat right in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, every once in a while, it happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, November six, the person we're talking about today, Madonna earns her 36th top 10 single.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With the Abbas sampled hung up, which is also the lead track on the album that we're going to talk about this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're in Elvis Presley for most top 10 singles hung up as also Madonna's 47th top 40 single, the most for any female artist and confessions on a dance floor hit number one in 40 countries during the month, which was a record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one is interesting because it's kind of a time and place thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Sony BMG copy protection root kit scandal breaks as Sony BMG analysis that it will recall all remaining stock of an estimated 15 million CDs containing copy protection that exposes the computers of consumers to serious security risks if played in their PC disk drives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Several class action lawsuits are filed against Sony in the ensuing public relations disaster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had several of those Rootkit CDs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember this story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even sure what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't burn them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a big, big thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you could not burn them to your hard drive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, I mean, God knows I've gotten a million viruses on a million computers over the course of the 25 years that I've owned computers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that any of those virus issues that I had were explicitly a cause of those albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I mean, it could've been, but I do know that, you know, a lot of folks were just salty because they couldn't burn CDs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, ultimately, it ended up being, you know, like you said, a PR disaster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw something that said CDs are on the rise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So these are making a comeback, baby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're actually from year over year doing better overall than the streaming industry, as far as the business of it is concerned though, still a small part of the overall revenue in music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But CDs are coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I could play a CD in my Sony PS5.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That might be the only thing I could play one in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One, two, three, four, at least four devices in this apartment that I can play CD's on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still have to see a 16-changer behind me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about like the idea of owning CDs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily know that I would have the instinct again to when I want to listen to something go, oh, let me go this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This button or like, it's everything so much on my computer and I'm on my computer all day long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so much easier for me to do a quick search and play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be a tough thing to break, I think, for me now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to be intentional about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the same way that I'll stop and I'll put on a record, you know, I'll also stop and I'll put on a CD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think, you know, as we are now realizing how evil technology can be, a lot of folks are kind of stepping back and being like, let's kind of go back to doing things the old way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a big part of the reason that CDs have started to make a comeback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's see, we're almost done here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That this one is more for me than it is for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That same month of November.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All female group, Danity Kane is for on the MTV show, making the band.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Puff Daddy made them all,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one where he made them all walk to Brooklyn for some cheesecake or was that no, that was the band that was the original making the band that was but yeah, I mean shout out to Don who makes really good records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something with Aubrey O'Day and Puff Daddy that she seems to be scarred from their relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's opened up a little bit about it, but he was very hard on her, because I think he saw her as the gateway to their success because of the way she looked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're still doing stuff like I don't know who out of the group, but I know Andrea, I see her, I mean, obviously they're much older now, their moms in such, but she was talking about they're doing shows under the name Danny came, but I can't, I'm not sure who is still in the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still like a lot of songs in that first album by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't tell you with dannity, so it can't be as long as it smacked me across the face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and then December 31st, Mariah Care earns her 17th number one single with don't forget about us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about Madonna.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go through a little bit of her origin story here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Madonna is four years younger than my dad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Madonna, Louis Chocone was born October 16th, 1958.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In Bay City, Michigan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you have lived in Michigan in part in your life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where is Bay City?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good question, Gary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did you live in Michigan?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I lived in Southfield, which is a suburb of Detroit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK. Base city is about two hours north of Detroit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas, like Southfield was like right outside Detroit proper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's the third of six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not know that about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know she had so many siblings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, her pops was Silvio went by Tony and he was an engineer and her mom's name was Madonna.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even not know that either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, her mom died when she was very young of breast cancer and she grew up in a strict Catholic household and dance was her thing and she earned a scholarship to University of Michigan from from dance and I guess the person who told her that New York was the place to be a Christopher Flynn was her dance teacher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, she, and this is her quote, the first man, the first human being who made me feel good about myself and special the first person who told me I was beautiful or that I had something to offer the world so very influential in her early career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he told her, you need to move to New York, you're going to outgrow Michigan here, and at which is interesting, I guess in the late 70s, because Detroit, obviously, was one of the music capitals of the world, not that long before that before, not long before, but Motown left Detroit in the early 70s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that that business was completely in LA at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know that Detroit, circa late 70s was giving the same, you know, a hot bed of talent that Detroit in the late 60s was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or the late 50s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Flynn passed away in 1990.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A age related illness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Madonna has said that, you know, he's one of the most formative people in her life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she moved to New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She dropped out of college and trained with the Alvin Aley company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess her boyfriend,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is, I guess, she was dating somebody who was a drummer, and he kind of pivoted her towards music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And another DJ, Mark Cayman's, I guess saw something in her and they cut a demo of everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got it in front of Sire Records Founder, Seymour Steen, and he signed her in 1982, and that was kind of the thing that kicked it off for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I was doing my research, I was like, I always heard about Jelly Bean Bonitas as like being really key in her story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember Jelly Bean Bonitas?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, do you remember Jelly Bean Bonitas?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I also, it's weird, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've worked in the industry for such a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark Cayman's daughter, Alexandra, is also an industry and she and I were co-workers at one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow, that's calm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the company that Seymour Stein co-founded is the company that I work for now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Long been out of the business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never met Seymour or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if he's living nowadays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he passed away a couple years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's just one of those like weird six degrees of separation things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jelly Bean was kind of like a hot DJ on the New York scene in the early New York

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[SPEAKER_01]: not fully established but somewhat established by the time the two of them crossed paths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he had been playing everybody and so they introduced he was introduced to Madonna and then Madonna asked him to remix her debut album because it was still unfinished and he ended up

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, so that, you know, whenever I, whenever I hear these stories, these origin stories and the breaks and how you kind of get found and stuff, I always just wish there was more footage of like today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So every step of the way is for everything is on video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I would just love to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the what New York look like back then what how the clubs look like back then like I would love to get back into that like that that frame like you and I were we're way too young to even way too young what it was but that sounds like it's a cool time yeah I mean I think like my aunts and uncles I think have some

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... frame of reference for that stuff uh... you know a handful of friends or for or you know parents or friends who are old enough to remember that and it just seems like you know whether you're talking about Madonna or talking about the beasty boys or you know bad five frety who's book i've read not too long ago like new york and i just watch the warriors again on thursday like love that

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[SPEAKER_01]: New York City in the late 70s and early to mid 80s just seems like such a such a magical yet horrible place at the same time and again I have like tiny memories of like being a kid and you know seeing stuff but you know obviously I was not certainly not old enough to be in a club scene or be part of the art world

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been watching a lot of score sazy stuff from the 70s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New York does not look like I would survive like I'd be like man I got to go hide like this this this place is not for me, but it also looks so cool at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just yeah, that time frame, you know, I feel like it is almost an underrepresented time frame when you think of like movies and stuff is like, I, you know, I think of like late 70s then you think of like the mid 90s and there's like pocket of time that you don't really have to have this crap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I went to a couple of weeks ago, or like a week and a half ago, Spike Lee throws his big Michael Jackson birthday celebration in Park in Brooklyn every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this year I went and that park is across the street from the high school that I graduated from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, man, this neighborhood in 2026 and this neighborhood in like 1990 are too very, very, very different things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, have the people sitting in this park right now, if they had walked through it 25 years ago, they would've gone rocked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just, you know, it's night and day and it's just crazy, you know, to like live long enough to see the different iterations of what this city has been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: one of my favorite things to do on Instagram is watch somebody's old ass footage of my childhood mall from like 1987.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so MTV obviously becomes a big part of the Madonna phenomenon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, burning up was added to the MTV rotation in September 83 and the Steve Baron directed the video built around the bold colors and the look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of crucifix earrings and rubber bracelets, and that's styling with the midriff bearing, the teased hair, that Madonna, or that 80s Madonna look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: spread through teenage girls like wildfire and but it looked like Madonna 100%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's give some credit where credits do here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know Madonna came up in New York City in the late 70s and early 80s and you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: The look, the sound, everything was very heavily based off of black and Latin culture during that time period.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, to the point where like, back when Madonna first came out,

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[SPEAKER_01]: A, her face was not on the everybody single, her face is not on the cover of it because her label wanted people to think that she was not white, right, that she that she was black or Latina, I think initially when she came out a lot of folks thought she was Puerto Rican, right, the name Madonna doesn't help her help her hurt there one way or the other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I, you know, and that's also not a diss track like Madonna, I think has been very, very vocal, more than most white artists over the course of her career about giving credit to black and Latin and gay people who have kind of like shaped her career in her sound.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so this is kind of where this is the Madonna that I remember which is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lucky star borderline, these are on MTV constantly in rotate very much like a MTV used to be like a radio station in that the repetitiveness is kind of what the same video every hour right it was like, you know, if you turn on MTV you're like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I going to see Madonna, you know, later, am I going to see Michael, you know, am I going to see X artists of my favorites and it's kind of like how we use this in the radio like you turn on the radio and you go, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when is this song coming on because I got to get ready to record it for my tape and that's kind of like how MTV was too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're playing stuff that maybe you didn't know because they're trying to help break artists as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're also going to play this stuff that you were waiting for because they know that everyone wants to see those videos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the mentality behind MTV was that it was like a radio station.

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[SPEAKER_00]: August 1984 MTV VMAs, she performs like a virgin in a wedding gown and stilettos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I remember about this is the, um, she's just on the floor, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just kind of like rolling around on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a very provocative and sexual way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't remember this part, but Bet Midler has a line that says, well, now that the burning question of Madonna's virginity has been answered DACA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That now this was, I'm going to say this now and we'll come back to this when we in the next episode in our top five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like this song that much like a virgin because that memory sort of embarrassed me when I was a kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was sort of embarrassed to be watching that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have these weird feelings of being a young kid watching this thing that maybe was a little taboo to watch at that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it always has been kind of off to me even when I hear the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of see the visuals of that performance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would also say, if you're a DJ, like a virgin, Billy Jean, same song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of that back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like a virgin goes number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it becomes the first album by woman to sell more than 5 million copies in the US.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we go kind of beyond that time frame, uh, 1985, the movie that I watched, that's for desperately speaking, is a breakout role for her so much so that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Originally like this was just this is like a Rosanna arcette thing and then Madonna's kind of the side thing and as this movie is about to come out like she's blowing up so you got to put her on the on the cover of the box on the cover of the poster with with Rosanna arcette yeah and yeah I think if you had some hindsight

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, best friends on, you know, on the run or whatever you wanted to do, but they're probably equal because in this movie,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Madonna has all the coolest scenes like Rosanna Arquette kind of plays this like, and it's so funny because Rosanna Arquette herself is very attractive, which kind of plays like this dumb blonde housewife kind of character and seeing Madonna's character and seeing that who that person is we talked about the independence and the boss energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She kind of gravitate towards her and just wants to know more about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Madonna's the coolest part in this movie and Rosanna Arquette is kind of like the side character of her own movie, which is kind of a dream.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that movie comes out in 85, and she marries, I would love to know more about this Sean Penn relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how did they meet?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, who introduced them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's going on there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: My understanding is that they met on the set of the video from a material girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're just kind of like immediately smitten and, you know, things developed pretty quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the material girl video was probably shot like the beginning of 85 and they were married like 78 months later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, I don't know much about the relationship other than, you know, there's certainly been allegations of it having been abusive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I do think that Madonna filed a

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, and they've, they have, uh, minted fences.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I think Sean Penn was kind of like a hothead like crazy photographer punch or dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it was a volatile marriage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, quickly go through some of these other timeline notes of her career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, true blue comes out in 86 goes to number one, dedicated to Sean Penn, and then Lycoprera 89, now this is where she gets in some trouble for the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: mixing the Catholic imagery with the sexuality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pepsi pulls the sponsorship deal and the ad campaign after the Vatican complains.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is crazy because you know, Pepsi paid her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did the commercial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They ran the commercial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The video came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pepsi pulled a commercial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Madonna kept the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a lot of these things where

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[SPEAKER_00]: the artist and the producer or whatever, they're in sync until somebody complains.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're not in sync anymore, because you got to write your C YA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 1990, Blonde Ambition tour, like I don't know when Madonna is at her peak, what I remember from my understanding of time and place and culture,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this time where she's doing the hair, the blonde blonde hair, up, she's like much more of her sexuality is just all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what she is using for her marketing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She does the Dick Tracy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where Vogue comes in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she does the Truth or Dare documentary, which I tried to watch, but it's just nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't find it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked out every possible streaming service that I have access to, which is a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the only place I could find and it said it was on YouTube, but I could only find clips of it on YouTube, but I couldn't find the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not in light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, like, to be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She might be too hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can buy the DVD for a couple bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that might have been, that should, if I had enough time, that might have been the play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I very much remember that documentary, um, then the erotic album and the sex sex book with vanilla ice and big daddy cane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Madonna is walking the streets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but naked pretend to try to make it, yeah, that book, man, that, you know, the way that they sold that book to, you, it was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was uh... in some sort of wrapping like some like shiny wrapper like you it was a good will wrapping yeah yeah and so it almost like it was almost like sold like you can't let your your wife see this book like it was almost sold like you can see this like porn right it was absolutely was

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, like, you know, when that book comes out, I'm like, I don't know, my 15 or 16.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the, the, the one thing I want to do in the entire world is see what's in this book because why is everyone hiding it so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, eventually those pictures would come out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be hard to find, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People bought their book, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a junior in high school and somebody brought the book into school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember like a bunch of us like in a circle, like crowd around like flipping through the book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was wild, but don't have people wild and out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and now here's kind of a crossroads timeline for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the same year that illegal their own comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: still very well remembered movie and her character is a little bit of the the looser of of the women but still like it's it's this movie has been seen by children and you know and everything and it's pretty tame but yeah it's just kind of an interesting thing the timing of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy because like a leader there on came out that summer and then in the fall like almost the exact same time a radical the album came out the book sex came out and then the movie body of evidence in which Madonna essentially plays like a nympho came out and I think it was just too much for people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was at that time like she was her notoriety was at his all-time high, but her popularity was kind of like Pete there was a backlash basically and she was also I think messing with Charles Barkley around this time Chuck She was she was she was banging Chuck

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it was just a, like, you know, it's this is also the time frame where she recorded that song with Pock and then they didn't release it with a little after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a couple years later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went back and listen to that song with Pock on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At the very end of his verse, he just keeps saying, I'm fucking Madonna.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is like repeats it like five times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything I could say was most of that would be highly inappropriate so I'm going to leave that alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 94 bedtime stories a little bit more R&B kind of album of hers actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it holds up fairly well too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is probably my second favorite McDonald's album of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes on the David Letterman show and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not, you know, they're not in sync necessarily on that address.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of f-bombs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, then in 96, uh, she does Vita, which I've never seen, but I'm great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, also gives birth to Lordess her first child.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in 98 is kind of like her rebirth album of many, Rey of Light, which is super electronic of her influence by things that she has studied, spiritual, and a complete Zag from what she had been doing, have you heard that album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: recently, right, like, yeah, not recently, you know, it wasn't my favorite then there are a couple of songs on it that I like, but I there's also like some songs like album that I very much don't like so I, you know, there's my memory of that album, my primary memory of that album is working in a record store at the time that album came out and

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[SPEAKER_01]: We go to play it, and we're playing it, and then there's one song called Shanty Something Something and she's basically just saying like a prayer and like Sanskrit right and we were just all like what that hell is happening and turn the album off right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like maybe the people who didn't like previous Madonna stuff was like okay now this is the this is the Madonna I can rock with like she's like older and more mature and I was just like I kind of like the old Donna better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think people were looking for like a redemption art for her because she had gone so far left and you know this provided the redemption art.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... two thousand shemaries guy richie releases the album entitled music gives birth to son rocko two thousand and three american life um... that was not one that i had gone back to and when i was it's a pretty bad album yeah

01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:34.928
[SPEAKER_00]: And then this 2005 confessions on a dance floor, another, so in seven year span, she kind of has two rebirth albums.

01:00:36.090 --> 01:00:39.633
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, you know, the people people dug this.

01:00:39.753 --> 01:00:43.417
[SPEAKER_00]: They, they, they really, really enjoyed this version of her.

01:00:44.418 --> 01:00:59.429
[SPEAKER_00]: and then she just starts adopting a lot of children like that children's like part of her thing all of these kids from Malawi is that how you pronounce the country yeah she just adopts like several children she divorces Guy Richie in 2008 releases hard candy

01:01:02.371 --> 01:01:05.612
[SPEAKER_00]: M-M-D-N-A comes out in 2012.

01:01:05.752 --> 01:01:09.593
[SPEAKER_00]: She had vines the Super Bowl halftime show.

01:01:09.673 --> 01:01:10.633
[SPEAKER_00]: Rubbleheart is 2015.

01:01:10.653 --> 01:01:11.354
[SPEAKER_00]: Modem X is 2019.

01:01:11.374 --> 01:01:13.054
[SPEAKER_00]: And in 2023,

01:01:20.616 --> 01:01:25.039
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a biopic idea that was shelved.

01:01:26.300 --> 01:01:34.246
[SPEAKER_00]: She also got pretty sick in the hospital with some sort of bacteria infection and was in a coma?

01:01:34.306 --> 01:01:35.987
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember her being in a coma.

01:01:36.828 --> 01:01:41.411
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she was pretty ill, allegedly.

01:01:41.771 --> 01:01:43.152
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.

01:01:44.073 --> 01:01:46.795
[SPEAKER_00]: Same sleeping medication that Eminem was on.

01:01:48.050 --> 01:01:52.171
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, Madonna strikes me like she's always struck me is like super healthy.

01:01:52.391 --> 01:01:52.671
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:01:52.831 --> 01:01:53.071
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:01:54.172 --> 01:02:05.155
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't imagine, you know, I'm sure she like did stuff back in the day, but I can't picture like now age Madonna doing any drugs at all.

01:02:05.495 --> 01:02:05.755
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:06.482 --> 01:02:12.046
[SPEAKER_01]: other than like, I don't know, fucking arthritis medication or something like that's what I need.

01:02:12.586 --> 01:02:18.430
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's no way someone dances that hard for 50 years and doesn't have like joint pain.

01:02:18.691 --> 01:02:25.896
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, 2023, 2024, the celebration tour, her 40th anniversary tour, one of the high

01:02:33.881 --> 01:02:41.766
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's dig in a little bit to her album that we're talking about.

01:02:42.786 --> 01:02:51.371
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I mentioned the desperate he can Susan crazy for you was on the Vision Quest soundtrack.

01:02:51.391 --> 01:02:52.471
[SPEAKER_00]: She's also in that movie.

01:02:55.984 --> 01:03:06.127
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's kind of like that they really didn't want that to be a single because they didn't want it to kind of coincide with her other stuff, but yet it was very popular.

01:03:06.207 --> 01:03:08.887
[SPEAKER_00]: So it became a big one record of that.

01:03:11.108 --> 01:03:23.331
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of her other movies, by the way, now I have I'll have a hot take in a bit that may kind of conflict with what I'm about to say, but she took some bad parts, man.

01:03:24.071 --> 01:03:24.692
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she did.

01:03:25.052 --> 01:03:27.395
[SPEAKER_00]: Shanghai surprised with Sean Penn.

01:03:28.276 --> 01:03:29.257
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's that girl?

01:03:29.637 --> 01:03:31.379
[SPEAKER_00]: She did Dick Tracy, which was pretty big though.

01:03:32.092 --> 01:03:32.312
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:03:32.632 --> 01:03:43.414
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you mentioned body of evidence in 93, that was probably basic instinct influenced very much so I, you know, good catch.

01:03:44.234 --> 01:03:47.215
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, then she does a Vita, which she was really going for it.

01:03:47.235 --> 01:03:48.315
[SPEAKER_00]: She wins a golden globe.

01:03:49.575 --> 01:03:54.176
[SPEAKER_00]: And really, since then, not much, uh, from an acting perspective.

01:03:54.836 --> 01:04:00.037
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so, you know, she's kind of been in and out of the acting thing, uh, over

01:04:01.177 --> 01:04:17.890
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so if we look at her discography, so Madonna comes out in 83, like a virgin in 84, I mentioned true blue 86, like a pair 89, the companion album to Dick Tracy, I'm breathless in 1990,

01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:24.340
[SPEAKER_00]: Ray of Light 98 music.

01:04:24.441 --> 01:04:28.562
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's just continuously every two or three years.

01:04:28.582 --> 01:04:29.622
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got a new album out.

01:04:29.642 --> 01:04:39.225
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's very consistent music 2000 American life 2003 confessions on a dance for 2005 hard candy 2008 MD and a 2012 rubble heart 2015 madamex 2019.

01:04:44.647 --> 01:04:55.281
[SPEAKER_00]: So what makes Confessions in your opinion, what makes Confessions on a dance floor, one of her most critically acclaimed albums in her discography?

01:04:56.763 --> 01:05:01.389
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a time when

01:05:04.676 --> 01:05:07.759
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, I think it's an album that doesn't really have a ton of subtext to it.

01:05:08.580 --> 01:05:16.146
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like, it's just a dance pop record and there's like the songs kind of mix in together at the same time, right?

01:05:16.287 --> 01:05:19.269
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like a couple of them do, not all of them do.

01:05:20.110 --> 01:05:24.374
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think it's just a Madonna album that doesn't have like a lot of heaviness attached to it.

01:05:24.414 --> 01:05:27.997
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just a go out and dance album and I think people responded to that.

01:05:28.818 --> 01:05:30.519
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, hung up was

01:05:31.898 --> 01:05:45.566
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Abbas sample is really catchy and you know, gave it sort of like a retro disco kind of like vibe to it and I think people responded to that it is not on my list of favorite McDonald albums.

01:05:46.186 --> 01:05:51.990
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, there's like three or four good songs and then everything else kind of like it doesn't hit me in the same place that other albums do.

01:05:53.331 --> 01:05:55.112
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think people were just like feeling.

01:05:56.191 --> 01:06:01.692
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what we want from Madonna right now is just like a straight-up dance album, none of this spiritual stuff.

01:06:03.333 --> 01:06:17.016
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, American life tried to do like try to be very political and it came out like in the middle of, you know, bush to and I don't think people responded really well to that.

01:06:17.136 --> 01:06:21.377
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, you know, again, it was like a Madonna album with no heaviness to it.

01:06:23.103 --> 01:06:45.807
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is also something that she's very aware of, which is, when she does something that doesn't resonate, it's an opportunity for her to dig into the creative bag, to change the look, to just go completely different to what she did previous before, because then people will go, oh, like,

01:06:46.307 --> 01:07:15.393
[SPEAKER_00]: this is a new thing from her and you get credit for being new again in a way and so it makes a lot of sense for something that doesn't resonate and then you go oh and you learn from that and it and you take those learnings and you go to the to the new thing like there's there's a a certain savviness in that there's a marketing savviness that she just understands but it is also

01:07:16.413 --> 01:07:34.563
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to have the album that doesn't connect in order to have the rebirth right like she's still good at that Yeah, like you know, maybe there's things where she's like, okay, I'm gonna take a chance with this It may not hit but if it doesn't hit then I'll do this other thing which I know will hit and and that'll be this continuation

01:07:35.403 --> 01:07:42.465
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is really what her brilliance is is really understanding where she is and where culture is.

01:07:43.105 --> 01:07:47.766
[SPEAKER_00]: And even if she does something that doesn't hit, she did it for a specific reason.

01:07:48.506 --> 01:07:58.349
[SPEAKER_00]: And she always knows that she can go back or she can do something else that will hit, which is, you know, that she has a really good understanding of that about not only her music

01:08:02.510 --> 01:08:16.858
[SPEAKER_01]: her business savvy like her mind is incredible and I just think I mean anybody who's navigated a career in music for 45 years just has to have like an incredible sense of not only their own

01:08:18.123 --> 01:08:29.236
[SPEAKER_01]: are in their own creativity, but also kind of be able to merge that with what the public is looking for and be able to navigate that from, you know, 1983, man, was

01:08:33.290 --> 01:08:48.626
[SPEAKER_01]: so much has evolved in culture, in music, in technology, in those 43 years, and Madonna's always been most of the time, not always, has always also often been like a head of the curve on that.

01:08:49.087 --> 01:08:52.951
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it just, again, speaks to like a very wise mind.

01:08:54.675 --> 01:09:09.473
[SPEAKER_00]: So the album was the creative piece of the of it was in the hands of Stuart Price, who was he worked with Kylie Monogue and the scissors sisters.

01:09:09.553 --> 01:09:14.159
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was the album came together in his home studio in London.

01:09:16.140 --> 01:09:24.203
[SPEAKER_00]: the aesthetic of the studio 54 kind of disco look to the cover.

01:09:24.284 --> 01:09:30.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is always, whenever I even hear studio 54, I always think about man.

01:09:30.686 --> 01:09:36.608
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know that I would have survived there, but I would love, I just want to see footage.

01:09:36.628 --> 01:09:37.889
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear stories.

01:09:37.949 --> 01:09:42.191
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be a fly on the wall to what was going on in the studio 54 days.

01:09:43.551 --> 01:09:47.458
[SPEAKER_00]: So I never in my life have I been pretty enough to go to school.

01:09:47.719 --> 01:09:49.422
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I just want to know.

01:09:49.442 --> 01:09:50.764
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be there.

01:09:50.784 --> 01:09:51.726
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to know.

01:09:51.746 --> 01:09:53.169
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see footage.

01:09:53.209 --> 01:09:54.992
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to hear stories of that.

01:09:55.172 --> 01:09:55.813
[SPEAKER_01]: Or rich enough.

01:09:56.415 --> 01:09:56.615
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:57.743 --> 01:10:19.213
[SPEAKER_00]: So we mentioned the Abba sample in hung up and yeah, man, it was just treated like, you know, like, like one of a comeback that was not only very popular with her fans, but also just the critics just loved this album for whatever reason.

01:10:20.504 --> 01:10:22.465
[SPEAKER_00]: So, how did Madonna get this sample?

01:10:23.366 --> 01:10:25.808
[SPEAKER_00]: According to the research, now this is the Internet, of course.

01:10:27.529 --> 01:10:28.670
[SPEAKER_00]: She wrote a letter.

01:10:28.690 --> 01:10:29.611
[SPEAKER_00]: She wrote a letter.

01:10:30.051 --> 01:10:37.957
[SPEAKER_00]: She wrote a letter to Benny Anderson for permission to sample Give Me Give Me Give Me.

01:10:39.192 --> 01:10:46.835
[SPEAKER_00]: And then sent somebody to sweeten to hand deliver it, rather than go through the normal industry channels.

01:10:47.015 --> 01:10:56.839
[SPEAKER_00]: Anderson said, Anderson said, we get some an error quest from people wanting to use our tracks, and we normally say no, this is only the second time we have ever given permission.

01:10:58.521 --> 01:11:00.062
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm not sure about that.

01:11:00.383 --> 01:11:02.644
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said in 2005.

01:11:02.904 --> 01:11:03.525
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that?

01:11:03.805 --> 01:11:09.409
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I can think of dancing queen being sampled twice at least.

01:11:09.710 --> 01:11:11.051
[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe it was the same song.

01:11:12.552 --> 01:11:14.793
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there was a 98 degrees song.

01:11:15.073 --> 01:11:15.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness.

01:11:16.354 --> 01:11:17.816
[SPEAKER_01]: That has an obbosample.

01:11:19.257 --> 01:11:23.260
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did they hand deliver a note asking?

01:11:23.480 --> 01:11:24.841
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they probably not.

01:11:26.370 --> 01:11:33.358
[SPEAKER_00]: rumbled in the jungle also has an abysample no way yeah admit this does Abba know that

01:11:34.185 --> 01:11:37.466
[SPEAKER_01]: That had me, they were the food she's there a big deal.

01:11:37.486 --> 01:11:40.488
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, somebody would have sued somebody.

01:11:41.228 --> 01:11:43.129
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's why this song's not on streaming anymore.

01:11:43.149 --> 01:11:43.369
[SPEAKER_00]: Baby.

01:11:43.469 --> 01:11:43.689
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:45.410 --> 01:11:52.592
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Madonna initially wanted to work with the producer of American life in music.

01:11:53.433 --> 01:11:57.734
[SPEAKER_00]: But thought that that material didn't fit the celebratory dance floor.

01:11:58.315 --> 01:12:00.496
[SPEAKER_00]: Concept, which is why she went to price.

01:12:01.876 --> 01:12:07.239
[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, so track by track.

01:12:07.299 --> 01:12:23.908
[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is what you're saying this is not true, but the information says that it was produced track by track sort of like a DJ mix so that the album would sort of blend together and you could just play it and just keep it going and like you would add a club.

01:12:24.998 --> 01:12:27.600
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, does it all mix together?

01:12:27.660 --> 01:12:33.083
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember, and these days it's so rare that I listen to albums in their like entirety.

01:12:33.744 --> 01:12:35.885
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just, it's my memory feeling me.

01:12:35.905 --> 01:12:37.606
[SPEAKER_01]: Confessions two is mixed.

01:12:38.186 --> 01:12:39.667
[SPEAKER_01]: So the tracks segue into one another.

01:12:39.687 --> 01:12:46.352
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's go to, we're not gonna do the whole tears thing because there's too many albums.

01:12:46.392 --> 01:12:47.612
[SPEAKER_00]: Too many records.

01:12:47.732 --> 01:12:50.754
[SPEAKER_00]: But tell me what would, what would you just put in the top?

01:12:50.794 --> 01:12:53.096
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what are your top top Madonna albums?

01:12:55.140 --> 01:12:59.945
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, her first album, which I still think is her best album, uh, I listen to that.

01:12:59.985 --> 01:13:12.799
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some stuff that is like very generic on that album, but there's, there's also and you'll see by my top five, I also lean towards that era, but song by song, I was like, oh, great song.

01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:13.880
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this song?

01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:14.581
[SPEAKER_00]: Great song.

01:13:15.141 --> 01:13:16.222
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a little interesting.

01:13:16.983 --> 01:13:28.333
[SPEAKER_01]: To me on that album, there's two okay songs and six excellent songs, so her first album, like a virgin, like a prayer, bedtime stories, give me those four albums I'm good.

01:13:29.915 --> 01:13:30.415
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

01:13:30.936 --> 01:13:34.979
[SPEAKER_00]: I like those are probably the ones that I like the most as well.

01:13:35.780 --> 01:13:36.581
[SPEAKER_00]: Bedtime stories.

01:13:38.148 --> 01:13:41.069
[SPEAKER_00]: That is an interesting time in place for Madonna.

01:13:41.389 --> 01:13:46.850
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she didn't really go there again as far as I remember.

01:13:47.431 --> 01:13:57.513
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, hard candy is kind of like another R&B record, but it's R&B circa like 2008, which, you know, it's all timbling and furrow.

01:14:01.146 --> 01:14:10.171
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to the meeting track on that album when we get our next our supplemental podcast of this.

01:14:10.211 --> 01:14:15.794
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you were to say, what are her worst albums?

01:14:15.814 --> 01:14:20.717
[SPEAKER_01]: American life is I remember being super disappointed in that album.

01:14:21.538 --> 01:14:27.001
[SPEAKER_01]: And confessions two is the first Madonna album I paid attention to in like 10 years.

01:14:31.794 --> 01:14:42.199
[SPEAKER_01]: MDNA, Metamix, whatever the album is in the middle, like those three albums I had barely any recollection of at all, just because I kind of gave them all when listening, I was like, nah.

01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:42.680
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:50.323
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even really have a no-skips rating for this album because it's not an album that I would constantly go back and, you know, in listen to.

01:14:50.343 --> 01:14:53.905
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, it's sort of been incomplete for me, but what do you have here?

01:14:53.925 --> 01:14:55.746
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've got like a five or six,

01:14:57.745 --> 01:14:58.486
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.

01:14:58.987 --> 01:15:02.172
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, you know, dies off at a certain point for me.

01:15:02.272 --> 01:15:06.720
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's only really like two or three songs that I come back to on this album at all.

01:15:09.164 --> 01:15:09.525
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:15:09.645 --> 01:15:10.006
[SPEAKER_00]: So.

01:15:12.358 --> 01:15:17.102
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to our Grammy Redux segment here now.

01:15:17.182 --> 01:15:19.463
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got some Grammy wins.

01:15:20.264 --> 01:15:27.789
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes pop album for rave light Lots of rave light like dance Grammys.

01:15:28.149 --> 01:15:35.114
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, your Grammys Best electronic dance album for confessions on a dance floor.

01:15:35.555 --> 01:15:35.675
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

01:15:36.335 --> 01:15:38.938
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, those are those are most of it.

01:15:38.978 --> 01:15:43.784
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess the one that I want to circle back to is 1999.

01:15:43.964 --> 01:15:49.130
[SPEAKER_00]: She loses to Lauren Hills miseducation, which is the proper thing there.

01:15:49.510 --> 01:15:55.397
[SPEAKER_00]: But I wanted to ask you what would have been your number two pick to miseducation?

01:15:56.752 --> 01:15:58.333
[SPEAKER_00]: Madonna's rave light is on here.

01:15:59.274 --> 01:16:05.657
[SPEAKER_00]: The globe sessions shall grow version 2.0 garbage and come on over Shania Twain.

01:16:05.877 --> 01:16:10.560
[SPEAKER_00]: How would you rank those albums and where does rave light fit?

01:16:11.581 --> 01:16:16.424
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, Shania Twain's last.

01:16:17.564 --> 01:16:21.247
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's Shania Twain's album is actually the only one of those five albums that I've never owned.

01:16:22.468 --> 01:16:27.870
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I didn't need to because every, I feel like every something that album was all over the radio for like two years straight.

01:16:28.030 --> 01:16:28.291
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:16:28.771 --> 01:16:33.353
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, that show a crow album is really good.

01:16:34.093 --> 01:16:35.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that garbage album is good too.

01:16:36.757 --> 01:16:40.841
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, can we just have like Lauren Schneider's winning in everybody else in the middle?

01:16:41.442 --> 01:16:46.948
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm trying to, that's, I'm sure that's how the voters have it probably are these close to it.

01:16:47.788 --> 01:16:55.396
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you know, there's not really, you know, I don't know if you, if we would, she wasn't even nominated pre-notch.

01:16:55.416 --> 01:16:56.377
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's crazy.

01:16:56.998 --> 01:16:58.700
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely like,

01:16:59.484 --> 01:17:02.445
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, look at the music industry is sexist.

01:17:03.005 --> 01:17:13.169
[SPEAKER_01]: We all know that Madonna, even when she first got super popular, she got super popular on the same time Cindy Lauper did and

01:17:14.546 --> 01:17:17.527
[SPEAKER_01]: The party line was that Cindy Lauper is going to be popular for ever.

01:17:17.607 --> 01:17:21.169
[SPEAKER_01]: Madonna is going to disappear in a year and kind of the opposite happened.

01:17:21.469 --> 01:17:30.273
[SPEAKER_01]: But Madonna's, it took a long time for Madonna to be taken seriously because she makes dance music because her music was, you know,

01:17:31.073 --> 01:17:36.999
[SPEAKER_01]: occasionally like overtly, sexual, it just took her a long time to be taken seriously.

01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:43.686
[SPEAKER_01]: But those first couple of albums hold up really well against any other music that was made during that period.

01:17:43.746 --> 01:17:45.427
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just really, really good records.

01:17:46.088 --> 01:17:50.192
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, again, I mean, I think she's kind of won out, right?

01:17:50.272 --> 01:17:50.572
[SPEAKER_01]: Because

01:17:51.810 --> 01:17:53.310
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she's in the rock and roll of fame.

01:17:53.671 --> 01:17:54.771
[SPEAKER_01]: She's got Grammy Awards.

01:17:55.091 --> 01:17:57.452
[SPEAKER_01]: She's still making records.

01:17:57.612 --> 01:17:59.972
[SPEAKER_01]: She can still sell out arenas 45 years later.

01:17:59.992 --> 01:18:03.813
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, not even arenas, stadiums.

01:18:04.554 --> 01:18:07.814
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and charge $500 to take it while doing it.

01:18:08.455 --> 01:18:14.476
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, but at the time, people, you know, did not take her series.

01:18:14.496 --> 01:18:16.837
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is what ultimately made her work harder.

01:18:19.278 --> 01:18:20.538
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, my hot take.

01:18:21.851 --> 01:18:22.492
[SPEAKER_00]: Your hot take.

01:18:22.852 --> 01:18:33.205
[SPEAKER_00]: My hot take is had she decided to go into movies first and music second.

01:18:34.665 --> 01:18:43.767
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she could have had maybe not the type of career that she hadn't been using just because she was able to, you know, the longevity of her career.

01:18:44.008 --> 01:18:50.849
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Hollywood in of itself is, you know, harsher on women past the age of 40.

01:18:52.770 --> 01:18:57.451
[SPEAKER_00]: The peak of that like 85 to like 95, maybe even to 2000 timeframe.

01:19:00.952 --> 01:19:03.274
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she could have been a really, really good actress.

01:19:04.335 --> 01:19:12.421
[SPEAKER_00]: She chose some really bad parts, which I imagined some of those had to do with how she was marketing herself at the time, like body evidence.

01:19:13.021 --> 01:19:19.686
[SPEAKER_00]: But if she went movies first, I think she could have been an excellent excellent actress.

01:19:19.706 --> 01:19:22.528
[SPEAKER_00]: And she still could have done music, but there's no way she would have been as big

01:19:24.750 --> 01:19:37.356
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I after watching, you know, and I've watched, uh, league of their own, you know, maybe a few months ago, watching, league of their own, watching, desperate as he can Susan, I'm like, the camera loves this woman, man.

01:19:37.396 --> 01:19:40.638
[SPEAKER_01]: She couldn't have done this for her, her main career as well.

01:19:41.378 --> 01:19:42.018
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it does.

01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:42.799
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

01:19:44.164 --> 01:19:45.745
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, dream collaborator.

01:19:45.985 --> 01:19:47.886
[SPEAKER_00]: Now she's done stuff with prints.

01:19:49.046 --> 01:19:59.892
[SPEAKER_00]: She's done stuff with like you said, Timeline and Ferrell, just in Timberlake, is there somebody that you would have liked to see her collaborate with?

01:20:01.792 --> 01:20:03.913
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm a Donna and Michael record would have been great.

01:20:04.214 --> 01:20:08.135
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the closet was actually supposed to be a Michael and Madonna record.

01:20:09.036 --> 01:20:11.157
[SPEAKER_00]: And why didn't, why didn't not happen?

01:20:11.652 --> 01:20:14.114
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there was just some stuff happening behind the scenes.

01:20:14.294 --> 01:20:22.000
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe Michael Thultmadanow was trying to play him out a little bit and that relation.

01:20:22.040 --> 01:20:31.167
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Jackson's and Madonna, like there's a photo book I have of the Jackson's with like pictures from the victory tour of like Michael and Madonna with their arms around one another.

01:20:31.608 --> 01:20:36.632
[SPEAKER_01]: So like that relationship existed before we even thought it existed.

01:20:37.710 --> 01:20:39.810
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were born, you know, it's also really interesting.

01:20:39.830 --> 01:20:45.491
[SPEAKER_01]: They were born in a same year, like two weeks apart, you know, and they ended up being like the biggest stars of the 80s.

01:20:46.032 --> 01:20:50.272
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would have loved to have seen like a collaboration with them.

01:20:50.692 --> 01:20:53.593
[SPEAKER_01]: Would have been great to see like when Donna Teddy Riley collaboration.

01:20:53.613 --> 01:20:56.993
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:20:58.494 --> 01:20:59.474
[SPEAKER_01]: She's so singular.

01:21:02.354 --> 01:21:04.475
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there has been a Madonna and Beyonce record.

01:21:07.510 --> 01:21:08.190
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I don't know.

01:21:08.991 --> 01:21:11.033
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, other than Michael, I can't really think of anybody.

01:21:11.853 --> 01:21:21.780
[SPEAKER_00]: So there is the person who she didn't work with, who she wanted to work with was Jack Antonoff.

01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:23.481
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good with that, I don't know.

01:21:23.662 --> 01:21:29.346
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean, you know, I'm a Donna Jack Antonoff record would end up sounding like a Taylor Swift.

01:21:29.366 --> 01:21:30.486
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's why.

01:21:31.247 --> 01:21:34.890
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when I was going through her catalog, the person who's voice,

01:21:35.973 --> 01:21:39.035
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to hear on some of the songs.

01:21:39.255 --> 01:22:01.727
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought just the interesting creative discussions about what this song would sound like, is someone who we talked about and who doesn't really make music much in a more frank ocean, I was like, man, I would love to see the creativeness, the juices in that brainstorming session about putting together a frank ocean in Madonna track.

01:22:01.947 --> 01:22:03.188
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that would have been really cool.

01:22:03.768 --> 01:22:04.188
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

01:22:04.348 --> 01:22:06.129
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that would be a dope collaboration.

01:22:07.550 --> 01:22:08.030
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:22:08.630 --> 01:22:10.971
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think we are good here.

01:22:11.712 --> 01:22:15.313
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and we're going to be back with our top five.

01:22:15.553 --> 01:22:18.715
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was so much fun for me to go back through Madonna's career.

01:22:19.842 --> 01:22:24.744
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, there's so much stuff and, you know, those a lot of the records are awesome.

01:22:25.165 --> 01:22:28.646
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think it's, you know, she deserves a long episode.

01:22:28.926 --> 01:22:34.029
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm glad that we got the chance to touch on her discovery.

01:22:34.809 --> 01:22:36.650
[SPEAKER_00]: Any thoughts about who you wanna do next?

01:22:38.631 --> 01:22:40.652
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, I got a look and see who's left, right?

01:22:41.993 --> 01:22:45.194
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I feel like we're sort of in the home stretch.

01:22:45.214 --> 01:22:47.615
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we probably got about 20 episodes left.

01:22:50.366 --> 01:22:58.471
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know, we should probably do.

01:22:58.491 --> 01:23:03.914
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been talking about doing kind of our part two of Michael.

01:23:07.015 --> 01:23:08.776
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't we want to center that around something?

01:23:08.876 --> 01:23:10.677
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember what we wanted to center it around.

01:23:10.958 --> 01:23:13.559
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, his birthday just passed, right?

01:23:13.579 --> 01:23:17.101
[SPEAKER_01]: The his birthday just passed in a 25th anniversary of invincible is coming up.

01:23:19.057 --> 01:23:19.898
[SPEAKER_01]: I think October.

01:23:20.538 --> 01:23:21.218
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

01:23:21.238 --> 01:23:23.620
[SPEAKER_00]: So we should do that because we are going to talk about invincible.

01:23:24.841 --> 01:23:26.462
[SPEAKER_00]: So that will be coming up for sure.

01:23:26.562 --> 01:23:29.644
[SPEAKER_00]: I keep teasing this Maria.

01:23:29.864 --> 01:23:30.644
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm yeah.

01:23:30.844 --> 01:23:34.427
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in my stages of doing my Maria research.

01:23:34.647 --> 01:23:35.607
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is coming.

01:23:35.627 --> 01:23:37.168
[SPEAKER_01]: She also has a lot of albums.

01:23:37.308 --> 01:23:38.469
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:23:38.649 --> 01:23:39.350
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm over 30.

01:23:39.490 --> 01:23:39.670
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:23:41.631 --> 01:23:42.231
[SPEAKER_00]: So a couple bucks.

01:23:42.311 --> 01:23:47.013
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about doing Biggie next, which is only two albums?

01:23:47.653 --> 01:23:48.274
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's do it.

01:23:48.294 --> 01:23:49.874
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's easy peasy.

01:23:50.134 --> 01:24:03.840
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's do Biggie next and we're going to try and live stream these by the way for for the most part the the next episode just because it's less production work to put them up and you know, I think we're in a pretty good groove as far as what we want to do.

01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:06.401
[SPEAKER_01]: So all right, trying to be economical.

01:24:06.741 --> 01:24:08.144
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:24:08.244 --> 01:24:12.651
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back with the top five episode on Madonna.

01:24:13.392 --> 01:24:18.080
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Mike, I'm double G. We will see you when we see you piece out next time.