Life After Death & The Notorious B.I.G. Story: A Full Career Deep Dive | 50 For 50

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is time again, 50 for 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to talk about the notorious B-I-G through the lens of his 1997 album, which I always forget, like, comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, was like a week after he died or something like this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was more than a week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, what was it, release date?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he passed away, like, March 9th or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So passed away, March 9th, the album came out

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Danny, I wish it was easier to look this up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it came out at the end of March.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, just so close to March 23.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, a little, a little under three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that whole thing like I understand, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, the idea of taking, you know, the album's supposed to come out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to sell more just because he passed away, but it still feels like so insensitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So much of that story is weird in so many different ways, like I don't even

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I still can't make sense of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, the release date was the release date before he passed away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was actually that album was pushed back, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He couldn't finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it wasn't he in the car accident?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, he was in a car accident like the end of 1996.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and they're like that for a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like the album was probably supposed to come out like almost right around the time that Tupac died, but it got pushed back because he had to finish things and he had gotten in that car accident.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: better for it to come out after, you know, a little bit after the two-buck thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's crazy just to acknowledge the data we're recording this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Today is the 30th anniversary of two-pox passing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also today is the 30 second anniversary of the release of Ready to Die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I saw a future album that we're going to do 20th anniversary of John Mayers continuum was the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of mid September or early September things happening around the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're also today's Fiona Apple's birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to cover her at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fiona Apple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One year younger than us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's, I always ask you this, you know, when were you aware of the IG, you would have been aware of him much sooner than me because I can tell you right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first time I knew who he was was because my man said super Nintendo Sega Genesis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, wait, this guy's like us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy's like me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, when you look back on that stuff because I think so how much older is BIG that us?

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[SPEAKER_00]: four years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're young four years is like a lot and when you get older four years is nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I hear a line like that today, Superintendent Tendo Sega Genesis when I was dead broke man, it couldn't picture this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like I'm like man, he's like the same time frame as me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing the same things that I was doing playing video games and like the pop culture references in Ready to die are very similar to the things that I would have been aware of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think even references.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there any reference to the Gooch from different strokes and

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, so it's just like, you know, back then, I always thought like, oh, Pock and Big, they're so much older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're adults.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like so much older than us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you reflect and you go, man, this is like the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just the same age almost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when would you have been aware of B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's a fun fact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chris for Wallace and I probably crossed paths, IRL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Biggy was only a couple of years older than me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was a freshman at high school, he would have been a junior or a senior.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The house where he grew up to 26 same James is like less than a 10 minute walk from my high school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, when Biggy was hustling and, you know, robbing people and getting into fights and doing all this shit,

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[SPEAKER_01]: would have been completely in, like, my window of experience, you know, growing up in that part of Brooklyn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, Biggie is a fairly, like, unique looking dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you cross paths with, like, a heavy set dark skin do with a lazy eye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to remember that guy, particularly if he's big and imposing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's certainly a non-zero chance that Biggie and I cross paths on at least one

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he and I were in the same place at the same time more than once.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get back to the origin story of him and I also am going to ask you about things because of the proximity and there's things that reference points in history that I'm sure you know a lot about so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about 1997 the year in music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of

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[SPEAKER_00]: okay starting with you know it's funny so if we consider the mid 90s threw out or you know maybe even the early 90s through the mid 90s that's like this like gangster rap like time frame at the same time we're going all the way to the other end with the bubblegum pop stuff because you know in the same time frame

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so January 7th, the Spice Girls released their debut single Wana Bee in the US and premiered the music video 18 days later now in your record store record shopping days like was this a big deal right when it came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: not when it came out but pretty quickly after like it caught a fire fairly quickly and you know where I was working at the time you know my the record star worked that was in the Bronx and it was certainly very heavy like hip hop and R&B and Latin music but you know little girls buy music and little black in Hispanic girls like to spice girls so we sold a lot of spice girls

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[SPEAKER_00]: January 19th someone we just talked about Madonna wins best actress and emotion picture musical or comedy for her part in Evita at the 54th annual Golden Globes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: February 13th, Michael Jackson's first son is born.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't this boy's first prince?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Prince is 30 almost 30.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Damn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His name is Michael Joseph Jackson

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why does he go by Prince?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Michael's the King of Pop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's the Prince of Newspotism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The King.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's the son of the King.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Prince was also the name of Michael's grandfather or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe Michael just wanted to take a dig at Prince.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Since at this time, Prince was not Prince.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the artist formerly known as Prince.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, well, if you ain't using the name, I'm going to go with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought that was weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, the spice girls on the same day knock Tony Braxton's unbreak my heart off the top spot in the US singles chart first female British group to have a US number one with the single you know Tony Tony Braxton was kind of on fire during this time frame as well like that album was uh all over the place and she was I believe in vibe magazine all over the place to

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all over, all of her was all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We should do, if we don't do a Tony episode, we need to do like a sidebar on Tony Braxton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as I was thinking about kind of the future of this once we finished the 50 episodes, like there's tons of other things that we can do just with the 50 for 50 branding that I think we will probably want to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I don't remember if we've mentioned this, but I've actually,

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[SPEAKER_00]: archived all of our stuff so far on a on a sub-stack because I want sub-stack to be the historical archive and the kind of the future of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The website as we have it now works fine, it's just it's probably not worth paying for just to keep it afloat so I wanted to move it to someplace where we could actually interact and you know from a community standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So everything is going to live on the sub-stack which you can find very easily if you just follow

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, what I'm going to do is I'll be able to change the domain of the 50 for 50 publication and sub stack to 50 for 50.net so that old website will kind of go away and that's where everything will be on the subject but for now they're in both places but I just wanted to mention that if there are sub stack users out there because the future of it will be on YouTube and in our podcast feed and on sub stack once we get done with these 50 albums that we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and another sidebar we were talking about the Gooch early or so I just want to like oh that's like that's an amazing shirt and it says notorious so it's multiple themes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I wonder uh I think Gary saw any of those royalties on that shirt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, any show is probably also very much like a bootleg, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got this from like T public or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's awesome.

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[UNKNOWN]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: February 26, the 39th annual Grammys hosted by Ellen DeGeneres, baby face wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Four awards, while Celine Dion's falling into you wins out of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eric Clapton's changed the world wins both record of the year and song of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Leann Rhymes wins best new artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: February 28th, Schugneite sentenced to nine years in prison for violating his probation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would be released in August of 2001.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my man's back in jail, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been in jail for a hot minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he ran over somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, was that, uh, was they trying to like run over ice cube or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what was going on there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but it was, I mean, I remember it was on the street out of Compton, like movie set.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was trying to run over Oshade Jr. Who knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, there's ice cube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, oh, man, that was Oshade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: March 9th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the towards B.I.G.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a shot dead while sitting in the passenger seat of a car after a post-soul train awards party in LA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we already did the two-pock-ups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're not going to delve too far into that beef.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We thought it was, you know, as I study this and I listen more to big songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was really something that pock chased more than big did and at the same time I'm just like you know of course we're reflecting you know many many years ago but how many people played their selves and this entire thing like the idea of a like this is like pro wrestling the pro wrestling of music that turns into like you know

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like so ridiculous that it happens with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's all of it is stupid April 2nd, Johnny Mitchell's reunited with her daughter, Killeran Gibbs whom she gave up for adoption 32 years earlier I did not know any of that story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember that story April 15th, Hanson releases umbop

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[SPEAKER_00]: one of the most successful debut singles of all time reaching number 20 reaching number one in twenty seven categories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were they were I for a minute Hanson was all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hansen and the Spice Girls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The scrolls, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's gonna be more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you wait, I mean, don't, don't, yeah, it's just just wait a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the next one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm winning with Faded Breath.

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[SPEAKER_00]: May 3rd, notorious B.I.G.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Single Hypnotizes number one for three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: May 15th, Spice Girls, Album Spice reaches number one on the US charts, making them the first British act to top the charts with a debut album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And May 26th, in sync releases their debut album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what do you remember about in sinks debut album when it came out where they under more under the radar?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were I mean if I remember correctly in sink didn't really blow up until they did like a Disney special uh which might have been like towards the end of 97 uh so they weren't you know they weren't huge huge like on a rival it took them a minute to like bubble up

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I told this story before, but my buddy is really good friends with one of the singers from it was like a year, like a, I think most of these guys were Filipino, but there was there were a couple of Filipino

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[SPEAKER_00]: groups, vocal groups around this time frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like 4 PM, I forget, I forget the name of the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should remember this because I actually hung out with this person one time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the guy told us two things happened here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They went on tour with InSync.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say it was maybe

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was in the Texas area or something like that like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And on like the first couple of of shows in sync opened for them and soon thereafter that got flipped like the quickest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he also said that their debut album did fairly well, but they had changed record labels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the time their second album came out, their old record label kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacked them by by because the the buyers didn't know that they had changed labels so they just kept sending them the old version or the first version of the album and so they that that that's why they believe their second album didn't really take I you know, okay

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, you know, if the buyers were not aware that they change labels and they go back to the label going, we heard the new albums coming out and they're like, yep, we'll send you to you the same on the first one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a shady.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not sure that that's the way that that works, but you know, I don't know everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: June 14th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Puff Daddy in the family's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be missing you is number one on the hot 100 for 11 weeks only to be replaced by Mo money, Mo problems, which I'm sure we'll talk about later in this episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: June 29th, missy Elliott releases the single the rain super dupe fly from her debut album, Super dupe fly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now when missy came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember thinking oh she's kind of cool like she's you know she's not the type of person that they necessarily would put out in front of videos and stuff but she's got this unique look she's definitely talented did you ever think that she would cross over like she did when you heard super duplafly

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, I mean, she was blowing up off the strength of, she had done a couple of like guest wraps on some records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I mean, I still don't think Missy Elliott can like hold down an entire album by herself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think she's really reliant on A her videos and B the people that she does records with, C Timbaland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, but to the fact that she's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and, you know, all this stuff, yeah, I wouldn't not have called that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: August 12th, the Backstreet Boys released their U.S. debut album, Backstreet Boys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about the Backstreet Boys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did they were, did they blow up right when they came out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, well, so here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Backstreet Boys had been releasing singles from like a couple of years back, like they had like international albums that didn't drop in the US, too, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I mean, it really took them a couple of years to like blow up to the point where it even a label was even going to release an album of theirs in the United States and that album came out and even that took a few months to really get going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, this is kind of like the beginning of things really moving much more in like a pop direction and, you know, like Spice Girls kind of kicked that off and then like Hanson got blew up and then all the boy bands started to come out, but those albums were like slow burners for a while and then maybe blew up six months to a year later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: August 30th, Mom Unimo Problems reaches number one on Hot 100, making big the first artist to achieve two Postrumus number one singles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only still, I think the only artist who you've done that September 16th after a tumultuous divorce from her husband, Mariah Carey releases the album Butterfly, which moved her sound in a, in more of a hip hop slash R&B direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where does, well, I mean, this is a little bit of a teaser for a future episode, but where does Butterfly sit with you in Mariah's catalog?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, upper middle, it's a good album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of songs that I don't really mess with, but I think overall, like it's a good mixture of like pop ballad mariah in like R&B mariah mixed together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: October 15th, Michael Jackson ends the history world tour, which included an attendance record of four million 500,000 fans in Durban, South Africa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 4 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they weren't in the same place at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He must have done like multiple shows, or maybe he played to 4 million people across the tour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, the average, even for a Michael Jackson show, that venue is not going to hold more than like 50 to 60,000 people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: so to reach 4 million you got to do you know 40 50 shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just keep thinking about the Martin comedy album where he's like Michael so bad that he got motherfuckers jamming and book arrest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, that is a very memorable line from I wonder if people learned about Bookerrest from Martin's album Mike or from Michael Jackson because that book arrest concept you did was on like HBO or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: November 3, the Spice Girls release Spice World.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Their second number one album, making the group the first British dance and speedals to have two albums in the U.S. charts at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Spice and Spice World have amassed enough sales for one at a every two people in Britain to own a Spice Girls album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember the strategy for them to release an album in the same year a second album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were just trying to strike why that while the iron was hot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like before people forgot about them and then the movie Spice World came out around the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had fired a Simon Fuller who was their manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think right before the second album, I think something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, November 4th, January 2nd releases come on over, which goes on to sell over 40 million copies worldwide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And later became the biggest selling album in country music history and biggest selling album by a female music artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, November 22nd, in excess lead singer Michael Hutchins has found dead in a Sydney, Australia hotel room age 37, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: November 25th, Will Smith releases his debut solo album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Big willy style solo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Big willy style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now DJ jazzy Jeff and the fresh prince obviously was the former moniker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess will, I guess jazzy was not doing his own like little jazzy's groove mixes and stuff on the album, but it was, you know, there were still a lot of jazzy on this album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he produced a couple of songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you think about it, like those last couple of Jazz and Jeff and the Fresh Prince albums, like Jeff wasn't really like scratching, or, you know, he might have like the one or two instrumental cuts or whatever, but those are pretty much Will Smith records anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know, it's kind of like, where does Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, Jake, the room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoov.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, where does Jeff and the Prince end and where does Will Smith start?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: will took this album very seriously because like the charm with the early will stuff was the comedy aspects the goofy race the I think I could beat Mike Tyson and you saw my blinker and those kind of like you know those there's there's there's a little bit of a crossover and and I think a lot of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will Smith or the fresh prince might have been the first my first introduction to rat music or hip-hop So, you know, I kind of that's what they kind of thought the music was was this like goofy kind of thing And then he tried to do serious stuff and it just didn't work I don't think people bought it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It then some are time came out and that was a nice kind of like in the middle

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but that wasn't really his focus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like summertime kind of doesn't really sit with the rest of the songs on that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, and now he says it's, yeah, I was trying to do my rock him, but that's wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't until this album where I think people started to actually go, oh, yeah, like, we'll smith can wrap a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's actually pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Will Smith like the thing about Will is that he's always been corny right like he's always been corny and I think this album he just kind of a he was such a huge movie star that I think he could have put I actually that's not true because how many movie stars have made records that like flopped But you know he was you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had named recognition as a rapper, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had certainly people helping him with his lyrics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know Nas was helping them write rhymes at that time, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also was kind of going to the

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[SPEAKER_01]: take a big hit record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wrap over it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like everybody's going to go crazy because like men in black getting jiggy with it just to a bus Miami like all those songs is basically take a hit from the 80s to a sound so crazy, you know, it's kind of like that thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was the time for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this was the time when it was like on steroids when they were doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: December 1st.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Carter bursts on to the music scene at the age of 10 with the release of his debut album, making him the youngest male artist in the world since Michael Jackson in 1969.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they would do that one all over again because I don't think that's great for Aaron.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That did not end well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And November or December 26th, like you said, Spice Girls released their big screen debut, Spice World, the movie starring Richard Grant, Roger Moore, Elton John.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever seen this movie?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There might have been one night out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's somebody's house and trunk and that movie was on in the background, but I don't recall actively having watched Spice World.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, me neither.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've ever seen it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Spiceworld and glitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to do a movie a really bad music movie movie night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should watch glitter before we do our Mariah episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We should maybe let's do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be on something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you put my to the spin of five bucks to rent glitter to rent glitter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right B. I. G. Born.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Christopher George Latour Wallace May 21st, 1972

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... at cumberland hospital in brookland the only child of Jamaican immigrant parents the little walus pre-school teacher his father in an order pronounce his dad's name sell when sell when george lator uh... was was a welder who left the family before christ for turned three leaving the letter to raise him alone while working two jobs

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[SPEAKER_00]: He grew up in Clinton Hill, right on the border of Bedford's, had he's pronounced it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I've never seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Styvescent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, bedstaff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That must be why they call it bedstaff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Spending his afternoons on Fulton Street where drug dealing, gambling, and hustle culture were just the wallpaper of the block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How's that for sentence?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Raise your home as witness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: went to St. Peter Klaver's parish school and was a jet just a gifted dude on our role student.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All Saints middle school and then Westing house high school do any of those schools ring a bell for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean Westing house was just up to street from my high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, any rivalries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, we were, we were the nerds, you know, so, I don't necessarily know that there were any like school rival reasons or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buston, Jay-Z also went there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the rumor, you know, they would have been different, all different ages, maybe like Buston, big year around the same age, been Jay-Z a few years older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is crazy, right, that Jay is actually the oldest of everybody because of how they

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The nickname Biggie was because by high school, he weighed over 200 pounds and it became the foundation of his persona.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrapped as MCC West in a group called The Techniques and then took the name Biggie Smalls from the film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sanctine Bill Cosby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, do you know what the notorious B.I.G.

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[SPEAKER_00]: acronym?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what the B.I.G.

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[SPEAKER_00]: stands for?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Business to study game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Business to study game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so smart dude, but that was like, that was an interesting to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was interesting was selling weed and kind of getting money and, you know, coming from a mother who I'm sure was like, come on, man, like, you know, we're educated here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: but he was able to use it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a word Smith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he used his brains.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just didn't use it in the way I'm sure that that that his mom probably thought he would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm pretty sure Miss Wallace was, you know, not happy until the check started coming in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he recorded a demo called microphone murderer with a DJ named 50 grand and then DJ Mr. C heard it and got it in the hands of an editor at the source and in March 92 the tape landed in the unsigned hype column and that's where Puffy found him and I guess just went to go track him down

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when Puffy worked with him, he didn't sign him, but he got him on the remix of real love to kind of just test, you know, how what everyone thought about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when it blew up, he signed him to uptown records in March of 92.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Puffy is fired from uptown about a year later, and he took big with him, and he built bad boy off of the back of B.I.G.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you know, a couple of things to note there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one first of all, shout out to Mr. C, Mr. C was Big Daddy King's DJ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: very respected in Brooklyn, also for many, many years, a radio host here on Hot 97 in New York, excellent DJ passed away a year or two ago, you know, but super influential in in terms of hip hop in terms of Brooklyn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the whole light,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Puffy, bad boy, uptown thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the timeline is weird because real love actually came out at like the end of 92.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the video was already signed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I mean, it was just a matter and, you know, bad way was kind of built on Biggie and Craig Mack, like those were the first two artists to put albums out on that label.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Craig Mack actually came out a month or so before Biggie, and flavoring the air was like the labels first big song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, you know, Biggie was definitely very, very instrumental in building that label up to what it became.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even like Flaving Year, obviously like the remix had Biggie on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was kind of, you know, all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Party in Bullshit is on the Who's the Man?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the Man?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it goes four times platinum, and you know, I mentioned juicy being the first thing, and that specifically, that I remembered, if you were, like, what album do you actually like better the first one of the second one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't prepared for that question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's weird because I know we're talking about life after death, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: leading up to us talking today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was listening to ready to die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess that answers the question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think ready to die is the better album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because I think in, you know, when you do the double album thing, you probably like, eh, I'll add this song of me and Puff Daddy singing, which is like, yeah, absolutely usable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got to fill up space.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but, uh, but yeah, I think the first album

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, head sneezing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, bless you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he wins best new artist, best lyricist, and life performer, the source of words and ready to die his name, album of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's kind of where we sit now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I said, I do like ready to die as a complete end to an album better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what life after death is is really

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like his rock star album, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he is actually, it is a very heavily awaited follow-up to an album and you're like, okay, well, what are they going to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're we're at the height of this East Coast West Coast thing, two-poch drops in 96 out of jail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's like a bubbling for this album to come out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it turns into a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say it's necessarily as gritty as as ready to die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit more of that puff daddy polish that that we would hear much more in 97 and 98.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there is a rock star hip hop rock star vibe to this album that I think is like biggie nose like okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of like the goat right now and I'm going to let everybody know and that makes for like if we go to the top five like there are a lot there are a few songs here for from this album and not as many from ready to die even though I like ready to die better it's interesting right like Biggie's trajectory was so like inclining upwards it's like ready to die comes out

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, ready to die was kind of like 50% ill-medic 50% the chronic just kind of like mixed together like they were trying to make like the perfect wrap out to great that's a great comparison.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, even though until like the baby on the cover, which I don't think Naz was super, super happy about Almond, but you know, ready to die was also kind of like a slow seller like it didn't blow up out the box All right, I think it debuted at like number 13 or something like that and you know it ended up selling as much as it did a because

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, bad boy and Aristotle are very strategic about putting out singles where it's like, you know, juicy kind of came out and like did what it didn't then big pop a blue way up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then one more chance became huge and then people were buying an album looking for that song and that song was not on the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there is a remix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, you know, there was kind of like this incline of biggie, and then, you know, unfortunately, the thing with two-pock actually made him even more visible, so there was kind of like the notoriety plus people like

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[SPEAKER_01]: growing more aware of him as a musician kind of led to, you know, life after death being as anticipated as it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was two and a half years in between albums, um, you know, and they built up anticipation that way as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When did the junior mafia album come out, uh, summer of 95?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of how they kept, uh, was it 95 and 96?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it was 95.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was 95.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because I was trying to remember like, I don't really remember him coming off the radio necessarily, but some of it is off of the strength of the first album and the remix is like you said, and then there's the junior mafia thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, right, when's little, is he on little Kim's first album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he wrote most of little Kim's first album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when did that come?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That came out like the end of 96.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a couple of other little tidbits, so his daughter is born in August of 93.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So big is I didn't really remember this, but and tell me if this is right is big arrested in in 96 for they've got arrested a couple times chasing down and assaulting two fans Well, were they fans if he had to chase them down and assault?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then later in 96 he's arrested again on drug and weapons charges at his house

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean the hip hop cops want top of big and I don't know that big was necessarily helping his own cause, but I do think, you know, between that first and second now, he got arrested a few times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the car accident, he's driving a rented SUV with faulty brakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is after his own car was repowed because of the arrest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think C's was driving the car because big couldn't drive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he breaks his left leg and C's his jog, it's fractured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he spends months in a wheelchair and walks with the cane for the rest of his life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So his leg was jacked up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which, I mean, you, so if I remember the lore correctly,

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the reasons he had gained so much weight as a kid is because he was in an accident and I don't know if he got like hit by a car somewhere to school, but something like that and he shattered his leg and had to like go home and recuperate and when he was home all he did was eat so that's when he like swollen up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm assuming that his leg was not in super great condition as an adult.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to get an a car accident and potentially injured that same leg, I would imagine would have caused like pretty big damage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: October 29, 96 is when CJ is born.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And coming out of the two-pock shooting, he was pretty paranoid from what I remember about what was going to happen to him and whether he was going to be blamed and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which makes the trip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and going back to Cali that record a little interesting as far as the strategy was concerned because if he is paranoid about this, why, why mess with it at this point in time, you know, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know if it was, if people were coercing him to go out there and like do stuff, but it's like, from a logical standpoint,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This dude that blamed you for all this stuff and like, just you harshly on reckoning, like all this stuff just gets killed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, oh, I'm gonna go to LA and promote my album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That just feels like a bad, bad move, like unless you, your security got to be like Secret Service airtight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll save this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably for our top five when we talk about the songs,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't really listen to going back to Cali and I'll explain why on the the top five episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can listen to it, but I don't enjoy it like let's just say it's like not one of my fave Biggie songs and you know, he's showing love to California.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I just you planes it and he came on wild 107.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the interview that people will go back to and it was in San Francisco in the Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we heard Biggie come in and this is an area of mostly pock fans like right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he came to, you know, the an area that really embraced pock and was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have anything against California, like I want everybody to enjoy the meat and I wouldn't say that it came off as tone deaf because I don't think it was, but people are still angry at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's probably the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't think he had an idea of like the magnitude of what people were feeling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, you're a 24 year old, you're a kid, like you don't just, you don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so ready to die goes six times platinum in the U.S. Life after death.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does life after death do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it go diamond?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it goes time and but also it's a double album so every sale counts twice right right so um and then in 99 they come out with born again which goes uh two x and I don't know I like I really wanted to like that album but outside of the M&M song I don't know that I remembered anything else about that album

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a couple of songs on there that didn't get released, that were all big, that just didn't get released in his lifetime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, those songs, I mess with like, all the duets and collaborations and all that stuff, like I don't, I don't know that I've listened to any of those songs in like 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a final album in 2005 called duets, the final chapter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I really listen to that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just remember the one in single that they had with Nelly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of all people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Biggs like there's this kid in St. Louis, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's about to blow up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it just obviously, they did that for, you know, someone wanted to make money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and they just took a bunch of his verses that are

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[SPEAKER_01]: rappers on those records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The deep dive of life after this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 24 track double album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The recording stretched across 18 months from 95 to 97 at Daddy's House in New York and the Caribbean

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[SPEAKER_00]: I called the album life after death because when I was writing things like fuck the world, fuck my mom and my girl, there was nothing but anger coming out about everything about having to go out to sell crack to hustle for a living, nothing but anger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now I can't do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The album was meant to show a version of him who'd made it out, richer, more polished, still dangerous, but no longer writing from that same rage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... heavy bad boy hitman production with also pre-mo easy moby havoc rizza uh... guest versus from jlil kym mace

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[SPEAKER_00]: are Kelly, which I forgot about that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, the locks, bone thug to short and of course DMC DMC, uh, of course littered throughout this entire thing is a puff daddy's voice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, if there's one thing like in terms of, you know, what age as well, you know, big big rhymes and his voice are kind of timeless, what age is very poorly is how much puff daddy is on the cell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a couple of quick stories before we hit some of the songs here, um, hypnotized was originally a little bit different than it happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, uh, Puffy was credited, uh, as kind of changing and not that he changed the beat, but he shaped a lot of the direction of the song to make it probably a little bit more radio friendly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: um D.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: premier's kick in the door was nearly scrapped uh Puffy heard the original track and rejected it, telling him he wanted something blaze and like unbelievable and Prima was frustrated but held his ground and once Biggie laid versus over it, Puffy did a complete 180.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... ten crack commandments was pre-most last time in the studio with him he had snoop and does in the room during the session uh... this is where i kind of wonder about these type of facts but uh... a deliberate move given the east coast west coast tension

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Biggie directed DJ Premier to scratch in a Chuck D vocal sample from public enemies shut them down on every numbered commandment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Biggie was very happy with this song and reportedly told Premier, I did it, I did it on the greatest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at him wasn't too happy about that was he not he was not Chuck D did not like that at all Chuck D was like you I'm Chuck D like I'm not you why you sampling my voice on a song about selling that crack right yeah yeah what it like the idea of notorious thugs I think is

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you changing your flow to match a flow mastered by very popular rappers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I imagine if big wasn't happy with the way he sounded that song does not make the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's kind of an incredible flex notorious thugs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the super, I mean, it is a flex on both parts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, first of all, like, bone thugs are, I think the only hip hop act to have done songs with Biggie and two-pack while they were both a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it's a flex on the bone thugs side, and for big,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a flex because he's like I can kill any flow that you like I can sound like this I can sound like this I can sound like this I can sound like this I can sound like this I can sound like this like just throw whatever you want to throw at me I'm a master it

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an XXL story about this song, and I guess Biggs charm just kind of like cut any tension that there may have been, and he just just being big, and you know, being his charming self, and and they did it, of course, there was weed involved, I got a story to tell almost got pulled over sample clearance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Buckwild built the track around the sample.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what the sample was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That threatened to hold it up on Grammy night, Chuck E. Thompson rushed to Daddy's house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In his Tuxedo to fix it, replaying the disputed heart part on guitar until it was legally unrecognizable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we mentioned the going back to Cali part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was pretty brilliant to really hypnotize this first single.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is a banger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, first time I heard that song, I lost my shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just such a great song, great sample.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, everything about it, I think is perfect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have this theory, not even a theory, but if I were

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[SPEAKER_00]: a DJ and we're talking and we're not talking about you know today's music or like this electronic music or whatever if I'm if I'm going to like a old head's club there are three songs that I think would get a little bit of a dull party going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Poison by BBD, hypnotized by B.I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and yeah by usher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think those are kind of the three songs that I would like if I needed like oh my gosh like nobody's doing anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would choose one of those three songs to kind of get people going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a kind of a cool thing about that video too, because if you think about Puffy and Biggie as like a duo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Puffy is the tri-hard, and Biggie's just like the cool cat laying in the back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, doesn't even really care what his goofy friend is doing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you remember that video when they did the ball bouncing over the words on the chorus?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a goofiness to that, but because big, somewhat doesn't take himself seriously, but at the same time, takes himself really seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he can play that, and you watch Puff Daddy being goofy, and you're like, oh, that's just like the friend that you just like swat the back of your hand, you know, again, it's like, that he's not serious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is about big, but it does kind of, it does make me wonder like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you think about what Puff Daddy became off of the back of Biggie passing, had Biggie not died, does Puff lean harder into this duo to get himself famous?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And does that eventually split these guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm sure Big could take it to an extent, but he's not all about Puff Daddy as a rapper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he knows if the dude is not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you bring up a lot of interesting points and I do feel like in that relationship I don't know how many friend groups have this, but it feels like you know big was the cool dude And coffee was to do that would pay for everything Like you wouldn't necessarily have him in your circle if he didn't have money Like your description of him is a tri harder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think is really really accurate and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if I remember if I think back to like, the time before life after death came out, the plan was that puppy was going to executive for do's life after death and big was going to executive produced no way out, and you know, big was kind of like managing public like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was definitely like a Batman and Robin thing happening, but I also think that, I mean, like every other bad boy act, and you know, big he was a smart cat that at some point he would have been like, yeah, I'm a cut this cut this, cut this do off and kind of do my own thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he had already, he had his label, you know, you know, junior mafia record did not come out on bad boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what year are what month does no way out come, is it like, came on like, oh, no, that I'm came on like August of 98 97 97 97 97.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that no way out came out like the rest in six months after Biggie passed away here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, because I remember reading the source back then, like, I think the original title was like hell up in Harlem or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell up in Harlem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, it's just wild because now the the first single from that album does not feature big, but there's a lot of stuff that is there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just all kind of intersects at the same time, because

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[SPEAKER_00]: life after death is out and there are still songs from that coming out then the no way out of them and there are like songs that have big on it and then the um the Harlem World album is like about to cut like so there's a lot of that stuff that i can see from a time timing perspective yeah i mean all their stuff kind of came out on the back of one another uh so the was the second single

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[SPEAKER_00]: Momentimal problems or yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So momentimal problems is everyone remembers the the video of them dudes being in the space suits and stuff and And then the shiny suits and then the shiny suits and the Tiger Woods thing and then the Tiger Woods thing with with Mace and Like that was a rock star moment

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you have bigs voice in in the video of an old clip of him explaining the the meaning behind more money more problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but it's just like it's a celebration, but the dude who should be celebrated the most is like not there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of a little bit of a ill feeling around

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I mean, I was, I guess, you know, we were 21 when that record or 20 going on 21 when the record came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even back then, it just felt like, you know, why is this dude like dancing on his homeboys grave a little bit like it did, it just, you know, I don't know, it just felt it felt and still feel strange in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'll name some of these other songs that that kind of, I feel like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: really resonate still what's beef is is fun because I'll we'll talk about some of our favorite Biggie bars and and I'm gonna I'll save that for for that song but I got a story to tell is tremendous have we figured out that if if this thing was real is there a real New York

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[SPEAKER_01]: According to, according to Fat Joe, who is a, of course, very trustworthy source, the song was about Anthony Mason and Anthony Mason obviously not alive to tell not like to corroborate that also Anthony Mason was like a street cat like a thug dude like I feel like if any any person on the New York next would have like

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[SPEAKER_01]: been in a situation like that and then like fucked biggie up, it would have been Anthony Mason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He might have had the oak tree getting his back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seriously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're saying that if Biggie should mess with somebody's lady, maybe it's like John Stark or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like somebody, you know, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know the obviously it sounds like a tale he calls it a story he didn't say this is a factual thing that happened right I got a story tell it's like a barber show story right but the part that that me being a sports fan where I was like okay

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're playing the Utah Jazz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're hooking up with this dude's lady.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this dude just shows up and all of, and you're excuse for it when you're telling the story is maybe they got rained out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't get rained out in the basketball game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys won't get rained out in the basketball game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was obviously joking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what time of the game star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, presumably no what time the game ends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Is the ass so good that you just like track a time like and what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just she's not worried whatsoever Right like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, biggest the sidepiece to her and her main guy is making millions of dollars in the NBA, you're going to really sacrifice that relationship because Biggie's and us things like your man's on an NBA contract, your man is very likely making more money than the notorious B.I.G.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... notorious thugs we talked about which is just a tremendous experiment that goes a hundred percent right right yeah uh... the ten crack commandments which we talked about which is such such a uh... interesting song because i've had never i would have never known any of those commandments growing up or i grew up and then i'm like oh

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[SPEAKER_00]: Never get high in your own supply.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now these gank these good fellows movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand them a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, sky's the limit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sky's the limit is a song that kind of doesn't fit in the theme of the album, but it, it's like a feet really feel good kind of song for big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a, you know, a very like positive, it's a message, like a positive message song and you know when I was listening to this, of course he's going to, you know, Puff is going to use one, 12.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are his guys, but I was like, this song would hit a little different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like boys to men on the chorus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like Sean's statement on the chorus or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about when I heard it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're nobody till somebody kills you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I remember, I think there's a sway and tech.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh show where Biggie's on it and they ask Biggie to freestyle and Biggie does one of the verses to your somebody till nobody kills you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So uh and you know he's very well known for not writing anything down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, so he either did that first on sway and tech and then was like, let me listen back to that because I'm then gonna put it in a song or They gave him a heads up and he's like, I got something and that that's gonna be fly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll prepare for for this moment for this freestyle Right, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know which one it was, but I always was like, hmm, I've heard that one before Yeah, before What what other songs, uh, you know are very memorable to you on the album

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're going to kind of dig into my top five, I guess, a little bit, you know, but similar to you, like I got a story to tell, a great song, kicking the door, I think, just, you know, incredible pre-movie, just also a great song, I think.

01:00:03.244 --> 01:00:10.452
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting not thinking back like some of the, I'm thinking about skies and limit and miss you and like some of those songs are like actually very corny.

01:00:10.792 --> 01:00:11.953
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:00:11.993 --> 01:00:17.099
[SPEAKER_00]: What work, I have a couple of those for our rock with this stuff with it.

01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:18.961
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

01:00:19.341 --> 01:00:20.462
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love the dough.

01:00:20.723 --> 01:00:21.584
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that song.

01:00:24.696 --> 01:00:36.640
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, there's a good, now that I'm like looking through the track list again, I'm like here there's some songs on here that I literally do not listen to anymore, but you know, I think you hit the nail on the head with like the better songs on the album.

01:00:47.459 --> 01:01:11.133
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... that was used as an alibi point in later reporting on the day to pocket shot as if any i mean anybody thinks that big he had something to do with it maybe you did maybe did back then because the hysteria around it but that right recording this song at that time was kind of an alibi point which was there which is an interesting trivia piece uh... couple more pieces of trivia about this album

01:01:12.257 --> 01:01:23.940
[SPEAKER_00]: The album cover began a long black coat and bowler hat leaning against the hers marked big with shot by photographer Michael Levine on January 24th, 1997.

01:01:25.501 --> 01:01:28.021
[SPEAKER_00]: Levine said the coincidence still haunts him.

01:01:28.081 --> 01:01:32.902
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a photograph of a man in a graveyard who died violently weeks later.

01:01:33.323 --> 01:01:33.723
[SPEAKER_00]: Weakly.

01:01:34.963 --> 01:01:47.952
[SPEAKER_00]: So life after death made the largest jump to number one and billboard 200 at the time it happened from one 76 to one in a single week, which tells me that they leaked it because how does he, I mean, so

01:01:52.408 --> 01:02:05.871
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, if you want to sell something on Tuesday morning, you got to have the album in your store by the day before sometimes, um, would show up Wednesday of the previous week, Thursday of the previous week, whatever.

01:02:06.631 --> 01:02:13.913
[SPEAKER_01]: And when there is a record where people are like clamoring for purchasing it like at the end of the game, everybody got to make money, right?

01:02:14.333 --> 01:02:15.113
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of

01:02:22.365 --> 01:02:30.849
[SPEAKER_01]: Because record stores, if you sold a record early, you would get, you know, you would get what's the word I'm looking for.

01:02:33.037 --> 01:02:35.878
[SPEAKER_01]: Like labels wouldn't ship product to you one time anymore.

01:02:35.898 --> 01:02:40.439
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you would end up at a disadvantage if you got away with if you were caught selling stuff early.

01:02:41.619 --> 01:02:42.439
[SPEAKER_01]: Some stores didn't care.

01:02:43.680 --> 01:02:50.702
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I told you when I was at Blockbuster, we would get those albums a week early and I had employees just being like, I'm buying it now.

01:02:51.342 --> 01:02:51.722
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

01:02:52.744 --> 01:03:06.714
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and usually a record wouldn't sell enough prior to its release date to chart, but this album sold enough copies, like people wanted this album so badly that it ended up charting a week before it actually came out.

01:03:08.295 --> 01:03:18.001
[SPEAKER_00]: Acute hit beats submitted for the album arrived after the track list was already locked and Biggie never used it and later became the love on tribes

01:03:20.266 --> 01:03:34.010
[SPEAKER_00]: Another producer Rashad Smith built two tracks for Biggie in 95 sampling Albe Sharers night and day and Grace Jones is my Jamaican guy But ours to hadn't approved the budget and Smith.

01:03:34.050 --> 01:03:35.711
[SPEAKER_01]: So those songs went to L.O.

01:03:35.791 --> 01:03:37.832
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool Jay Chris Lighty

01:03:38.992 --> 01:03:47.442
[SPEAKER_00]: heard the beats offered double the money for Mr. Smith, the album Mr. Smith, and the producer took the deal.

01:03:47.903 --> 01:03:57.875
[SPEAKER_00]: Tracks became lounging and doing it, and the fallout reportedly sourd Biggie's relationship with Smith and enough that none of his production made it onto life after death.

01:04:00.229 --> 01:04:00.909
[SPEAKER_01]: interesting.

01:04:01.970 --> 01:04:11.833
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we'll talk about the Grammys here in a second because I will we will go over the the Grammys for rap, uh, Grammys because I don't think big one anything, right?

01:04:12.513 --> 01:04:13.714
[SPEAKER_00]: No big number one of Grammys.

01:04:14.754 --> 01:04:14.994
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:04:15.054 --> 01:04:22.036
[SPEAKER_00]: I asked you just to give me a couple of your favorite BIG bars, you know, that are just memorable to you off the top.

01:04:22.076 --> 01:04:23.097
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned what's beef.

01:04:23.817 --> 01:04:30.785
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite biggie bar of all time is beef is when I see you guarantee to you to be an ICU.

01:04:30.825 --> 01:04:32.667
[SPEAKER_00]: That is incredible.

01:04:33.393 --> 01:04:34.213
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:34.253 --> 01:04:36.774
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, who comes up with that other than him?

01:04:37.694 --> 01:04:39.155
[SPEAKER_01]: He was so like witty.

01:04:39.235 --> 01:04:43.476
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's, I mean, first of all, that is completely what is missing from hip hop now.

01:04:43.616 --> 01:04:43.856
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:04:44.276 --> 01:04:51.938
[SPEAKER_01]: But the best rappers are dudes who you can tell were like book educated and went to English class.

01:04:52.518 --> 01:04:54.859
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where they've learned, you know,

01:05:02.367 --> 01:05:05.709
[SPEAKER_01]: like Biggie Rhund, like a smart kid, kind of.

01:05:06.230 --> 01:05:08.411
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just so great at putting words together.

01:05:08.471 --> 01:05:11.113
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, you know, he talk about verses like, you know,

01:05:13.153 --> 01:05:13.493
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:05:13.593 --> 01:05:15.594
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can't think of like specific law.

01:05:15.634 --> 01:05:21.097
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can think of specific lines, but they're all within like bigger versus like you're laying on the top of short, like leprechaun.

01:05:21.577 --> 01:05:22.038
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.

01:05:22.378 --> 01:05:25.059
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's he talking to in that song, though?

01:05:25.539 --> 01:05:26.400
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even sure.

01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:33.343
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people know, like, it's like, I'm not even like piece, make him out, piece obese like Della Reese, like.

01:05:33.523 --> 01:05:39.587
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a shot at Lil C's after that, which I'm assuming is from when he got his job broken in that car.

01:05:39.647 --> 01:05:40.067
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:05:40.087 --> 01:05:42.188
[SPEAKER_01]: When I release you loose teeth, like little C's.

01:05:42.448 --> 01:05:43.429
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.

01:05:43.449 --> 01:05:50.654
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, uh, um, again, we'll put the ash trees for fair when I get my in the fast way.

01:05:50.774 --> 01:05:51.014
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:05:51.054 --> 01:05:58.539
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, yeah, I just like he, he was so like, he was such a great writer.

01:05:59.817 --> 01:06:05.582
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like a great writer has like his looks would look good on a page like they read like stories.

01:06:05.642 --> 01:06:14.490
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like, you know, you know, he was so good at his art my favorite my favorite couple of big lines.

01:06:14.790 --> 01:06:23.658
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, when I remember when Brian was in English class and they were doing like Shakespeare and they were learning about couplets and I was like,

01:06:24.458 --> 01:06:29.140
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, just go look up some rock hymlerics like you'll understand it very quickly.

01:06:29.780 --> 01:06:39.704
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but my favorite like if I was to like do some biggy karaoke, I think it would be it would be his part of his verse from victory

01:06:40.324 --> 01:06:47.869
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because like again going back to the first time I heard him like these are my pop culture things too, right?

01:06:47.929 --> 01:07:04.921
[SPEAKER_00]: Like real sick Brawl Knights I perform like Mike right in anyone Tyson Jordan Jackson Jackson like that that you know that stuff is and then action Cause action Jackson starring Carl when the right Pat Ryan's ridiculous like just stuff like that.

01:07:04.961 --> 01:07:06.402
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like oh my god.

01:07:06.442 --> 01:07:08.584
[SPEAKER_00]: This is so this is so crazy crazy

01:07:09.444 --> 01:07:14.449
[SPEAKER_00]: And I always go back to who the hell is this page of me at 546 in the past.

01:07:14.589 --> 01:07:17.312
[SPEAKER_01]: 46 in the morning, crack a dawn and now I'm yawning.

01:07:17.392 --> 01:07:18.012
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:07:18.092 --> 01:07:19.153
[SPEAKER_01]: So insane.

01:07:19.414 --> 01:07:20.074
[SPEAKER_01]: Insane.

01:07:21.035 --> 01:07:23.377
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, played out like Kwame and the fucking.

01:07:23.598 --> 01:07:25.179
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's another one.

01:07:25.279 --> 01:07:26.400
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another one.

01:07:26.460 --> 01:07:29.343
[SPEAKER_00]: And poor Kwame man, just catching strays.

01:07:29.383 --> 01:07:30.584
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like catching strays.

01:07:30.784 --> 01:07:31.926
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, come on.

01:07:31.966 --> 01:07:33.227
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone loved only you.

01:07:35.882 --> 01:07:58.641
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess quite a nice kind of like a, I guess a talking head these days for for hip-op stories, you know, after he stopped making records for a while, he went to production like made beats for Will Smith and like Lloyd Banks and like produced Christina Aguilera like made some good records and put an album out last year of the year before it's actually really good.

01:08:00.294 --> 01:08:02.396
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's go to tears.

01:08:02.416 --> 01:08:19.250
[SPEAKER_00]: He's only got a handful albums, but I think right today and life after death are both must listen albums like you can't Yeah, you know born again and do what's whatever, but where would you put like the junior mafia stuff like I don't even remember a lot of that album

01:08:20.007 --> 01:08:24.088
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, bigs not on that entire album.

01:08:24.468 --> 01:08:31.210
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, other than players anthem and get money, like I'm kind of good without that entire drink of off your album.

01:08:31.970 --> 01:08:32.170
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:32.430 --> 01:08:33.571
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, no skip's rating.

01:08:33.651 --> 01:08:37.052
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'd have a ready to die at like an eight and a half or a nine.

01:08:37.232 --> 01:08:41.113
[SPEAKER_00]: This one not as much because there are skipable songs.

01:08:41.613 --> 01:08:45.394
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I think the hits are just as bigger bigger on on life after death.

01:08:46.282 --> 01:09:01.306
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, same, ready to die for me is like a nine life after death is probably like a seven, um, when at the record store, uh, Aristah had made, uh, clean one disc versions of life after death.

01:09:02.966 --> 01:09:09.088
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the unfortunate part of that is like some of the good songs got left off of that one disc version.

01:09:09.888 --> 01:09:13.389
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I feel like if you had boiled that album

01:09:15.087 --> 01:09:20.894
[SPEAKER_01]: 14 songs it could have been it could have been a 9 or 10 they just had to stuff it with too much other stuff.

01:09:22.575 --> 01:09:34.949
[SPEAKER_00]: All right Grammy Redux here so 1996 so 38th annual Grammy Awards big papa is nominated for best rap solo performance and it does not win.

01:09:36.110 --> 01:09:42.556
[SPEAKER_00]: but this is kind of a heavy hitters category here from from that time frame.

01:09:42.616 --> 01:09:48.301
[SPEAKER_00]: Dear mama, Tupac, I wish, ski low, which was a pretty popular song.

01:09:48.322 --> 01:09:48.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Fun song then.

01:09:48.942 --> 01:09:49.863
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:49.923 --> 01:09:50.804
[SPEAKER_00]: Big pop of course.

01:09:51.144 --> 01:09:56.809
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep your heads ringing, Dr. Dre, which is, is that the only good song on that entire album?

01:09:57.761 --> 01:10:16.697
[SPEAKER_00]: What I saw in the Friday soundtrack was that on the Friday soundtrack I did was on I've been what's what's been there done that what I was at Oh, the aftermath okay, that's what I thought it was on and then gangster's paradise of course by cullio wins Just because of the that song was insane From the cross.

01:10:16.717 --> 01:10:18.178
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean it was a huge huge record.

01:10:18.218 --> 01:10:23.183
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah as a from a quality standpoint what would you have win

01:10:24.180 --> 01:10:26.508
[SPEAKER_01]: I might, dear mama, maybe by like a hair.

01:10:26.528 --> 01:10:28.033
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so too.

01:10:28.173 --> 01:10:29.036
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

01:10:30.126 --> 01:10:34.129
[SPEAKER_00]: So the next Grammy Awards would have been 98.

01:10:34.229 --> 01:10:36.211
[SPEAKER_00]: So the 40th and the biggest already gone.

01:10:37.472 --> 01:10:41.875
[SPEAKER_00]: Best rap solo performance hypnotized, B.I.G.

01:10:42.416 --> 01:10:43.396
[SPEAKER_00]: Ain't nobody, L.O.

01:10:43.436 --> 01:10:45.838
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool J, The Rain, Missy Elliott.

01:10:46.579 --> 01:10:52.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Put your hands where my eyes could see bust of us and men in black by Will Smith, which wins.

01:10:52.944 --> 01:10:54.105
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Will Smith won.

01:10:54.405 --> 01:10:54.805
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.

01:10:55.726 --> 01:10:57.347
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for me,

01:10:59.048 --> 01:11:02.791
[SPEAKER_01]: That Buster record was so good and so big at the time.

01:11:02.831 --> 01:11:04.152
[SPEAKER_00]: It's either Buster or Big.

01:11:04.712 --> 01:11:06.153
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I see the Buster and Biggie.

01:11:06.674 --> 01:11:08.135
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:08.235 --> 01:11:10.837
[SPEAKER_00]: Best rat performance by duo or group.

01:11:12.111 --> 01:11:38.852
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... momentary problems with uh... biggie mason puffy not tonight look him with the brats left i missy and angi martina's yes uh... want on a metah white left and to seal your cruise can't nobody hold me down puffy and mace and then what wins is i'll be missing you puffy faith and one twelve uh... um...

01:11:42.065 --> 01:11:46.987
[SPEAKER_01]: I, for whatever reason, I forgot about that little Kimory mix.

01:11:48.907 --> 01:11:50.568
[SPEAKER_01]: Guantan Amara was dope too.

01:11:50.868 --> 01:11:54.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's probably the best song to me, but it's obvious.

01:11:54.770 --> 01:12:00.512
[SPEAKER_01]: Did they not throw a Lauren Hill, did they not put her name in that nomination?

01:12:00.552 --> 01:12:01.912
[SPEAKER_00]: She had been the next year, right?

01:12:03.113 --> 01:12:04.213
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but she's on that song.

01:12:04.473 --> 01:12:05.513
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's on one time a meta.

01:12:06.254 --> 01:12:07.414
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she is.

01:12:07.434 --> 01:12:07.774
[SPEAKER_00]: She is.

01:12:07.854 --> 01:12:08.594
[SPEAKER_00]: She totally is.

01:12:08.715 --> 01:12:09.275
[SPEAKER_00]: What am I thinking?

01:12:11.142 --> 01:12:12.463
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know, man.

01:12:12.603 --> 01:12:13.384
[SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah.

01:12:13.684 --> 01:12:28.555
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I probably would have, I, I would have gone with either the Wycliffe song or maybe like the ladies and night remix just because, you know, such a space in time although like I love more money more problems too.

01:12:28.835 --> 01:12:29.055
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:12:29.395 --> 01:12:31.677
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so yeah, that's a toss of

01:12:32.758 --> 01:12:39.085
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, no way out wins best rap album of that year, but the other contenders are the carnival.

01:12:39.565 --> 01:12:42.308
[SPEAKER_00]: Life after death would take forever in super duper fly.

01:12:42.829 --> 01:12:52.158
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say out of like, I think the carnival is probably my favorite album, the Big Y album would be after that, but no way out.

01:12:53.019 --> 01:13:01.465
[SPEAKER_00]: is there's very memorable stuff on that album is the only negative about it is it's puffed out of songs, right?

01:13:01.545 --> 01:13:03.466
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's such a big album.

01:13:04.607 --> 01:13:08.870
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything I love about no way out has big on it.

01:13:11.271 --> 01:13:19.657
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all those songs, victory, been around the world, young geez, like all of the songs I love on that album have big on them.

01:13:19.957 --> 01:13:20.918
[SPEAKER_01]: So even by virtue

01:13:24.236 --> 01:13:28.918
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, um, my hot take, I don't, this isn't really sizzling.

01:13:29.859 --> 01:13:36.502
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I mean, my best one was the salon job, I'm that we covered was the best nose album that is out.

01:13:37.522 --> 01:13:38.542
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.

01:13:39.023 --> 01:13:43.785
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think this has to, this is obviously hypothetical.

01:13:43.845 --> 01:13:46.226
[SPEAKER_00]: It has to do with Biggie, if Biggie doesn't die.

01:13:47.667 --> 01:13:48.007
[SPEAKER_00]: If Biggie

01:13:54.315 --> 01:13:55.797
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows he's got to drop some LBs.

01:13:57.600 --> 01:13:58.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Drop to ZLBs.

01:14:00.129 --> 01:14:05.731
[SPEAKER_00]: And he takes the Jay-Z throne away from Jay-Z.

01:14:06.251 --> 01:14:09.092
[SPEAKER_00]: Jay-Z still blows up because Jay-Z is very talented.

01:14:09.872 --> 01:14:18.694
[SPEAKER_00]: But he has the longevity, maybe not the longevity, because I don't know how much of the BS, he would have wanted to play with the music industry.

01:14:18.714 --> 01:14:23.516
[SPEAKER_00]: But I could have seen him do some of the business savvy things that Jay-Z did.

01:14:23.536 --> 01:14:24.636
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:25.436 --> 01:14:27.717
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm not saying that he was going to marry Beyonce.

01:14:28.297 --> 01:14:40.952
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think his career would have more of a Jay-Z trajectory and it probably pulls Jay-Z down a little bit because he was always going to be under BIG shadow, I think.

01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:41.659
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:42.480
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:44.681
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not necessarily a hot take.

01:14:44.761 --> 01:14:46.162
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I kind of agree with you.

01:14:46.722 --> 01:14:50.844
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a lot of careers that look different if Biggie stays alive.

01:14:51.044 --> 01:15:01.530
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think probably the person whose career looks the most different if Jay-Z if sorry, the person whose career looks the most different if the IG stays alive is Jay-Z.

01:15:02.330 --> 01:15:07.533
[SPEAKER_00]: The the other one, I which I don't think is a hot take is kind of what you said earlier where B.I.G.

01:15:07.593 --> 01:15:13.176
[SPEAKER_00]: probably distances himself from puff daddy and puff daddy just kind of goes away.

01:15:13.256 --> 01:15:16.598
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I mean he would have found his way to latch on to somebody else.

01:15:16.899 --> 01:15:22.422
[SPEAKER_00]: I I just hear because he is a street savvy dude as well business savvy dude as well.

01:15:23.062 --> 01:15:23.362
[SPEAKER_00]: But

01:15:24.863 --> 01:15:30.606
[SPEAKER_00]: If, you know, if Biggie doesn't die like his, he's does not become as big as he does.

01:15:31.227 --> 01:15:36.150
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's like, I'm thinking about like every bad boy album, right?

01:15:36.630 --> 01:15:40.412
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, okay, you go in, you go through the entire bad boy catalog.

01:15:40.432 --> 01:15:42.973
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how many great albums are in that catalog?

01:15:43.234 --> 01:15:53.720
[SPEAKER_01]: You got the two big albums, you got Faith's first album, maybe 112's first album, maybe the Carl Thomas album, and then things take like a really big creative dive from there.

01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:58.444
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and then you also think about like how many of those albums were hit.

01:15:58.764 --> 01:15:58.985
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:15:59.145 --> 01:16:14.080
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's kind of like, you know, particularly from like a hip hop level, you know, after big you got nice for the one album and then you sort of have shine and then bad boy never really had like a hit rap album again Carl Thomas that was a good album.

01:16:14.640 --> 01:16:15.260
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good album.

01:16:15.400 --> 01:16:15.600
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:16:15.620 --> 01:16:17.741
[SPEAKER_00]: I see about that on the time.

01:16:18.922 --> 01:16:19.182
[SPEAKER_00]: Who?

01:16:19.582 --> 01:16:25.864
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's let's think of the other artists that puff tried to put out rap artists.

01:16:26.924 --> 01:16:28.145
[SPEAKER_00]: That was that one dude.

01:16:28.185 --> 01:16:30.726
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's black rock rock.

01:16:30.966 --> 01:16:32.606
[SPEAKER_00]: That was G. Dad.

01:16:32.947 --> 01:16:33.227
[SPEAKER_00]: G. Dad.

01:16:33.247 --> 01:16:35.247
[SPEAKER_00]: That he had at least one song.

01:16:35.988 --> 01:16:36.308
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:16:43.959 --> 01:16:47.703
[SPEAKER_01]: And what the locks obviously, Kim stuff is not on bad boy.

01:16:48.264 --> 01:16:52.929
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not on bad boy and I think Puffy was minimally involved with a lot of that stuff.

01:16:53.930 --> 01:16:57.533
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, that was kind of it.

01:16:59.776 --> 01:17:03.440
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the the other bad boy album.

01:17:04.645 --> 01:17:09.206
[SPEAKER_00]: There's two, they did the bad boy two soundtrack.

01:17:09.366 --> 01:17:14.747
[SPEAKER_00]: And they did that, we invented the remix album that I think actually did decent business.

01:17:15.567 --> 01:17:16.748
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:17:16.808 --> 01:17:20.248
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so, man, this was fun going back.

01:17:20.268 --> 01:17:26.830
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's fun, we have enough years behind us to where it's not as sad as it once was to talk about.

01:17:26.870 --> 01:17:27.110
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

01:17:27.810 --> 01:17:29.490
[SPEAKER_00]: Greatest, it's still sad for sure.

01:17:31.271 --> 01:17:31.431
[SPEAKER_00]: But,

01:17:32.231 --> 01:17:35.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that there's just a lot of, a lot of what could have been.

01:17:35.193 --> 01:17:55.364
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the next one we're going to do is, uh, usher and, uh, and like we said, and plus you exactly and likely said, you know, mayors come in, uh, the second Michael Jackson is coming Fiona's coming, Mariah's coming.

01:17:55.464 --> 01:17:57.445
[SPEAKER_00]: We still got a lot of stuff to do, which we'll take.

01:17:57.465 --> 01:18:01.028
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we'll take us through 2027 for sure, because of the, all

01:18:02.348 --> 01:18:06.049
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're gonna do the biggie top five next as well.

01:18:06.129 --> 01:18:14.651
[SPEAKER_00]: So just keep on the look out for the content and We'll be it will be on your platforms very shortly.

01:18:15.071 --> 01:18:17.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so for Mike.

01:18:17.212 --> 01:18:20.493
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm double G We will see you when we see you peace out.

01:18:20.553 --> 01:18:20.773
[SPEAKER_00]: Peace