NKOTB: Origin Story, Fall & the 2008 Comeback | The Cool Check-In

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[SPEAKER_00]: yearly structure, but we still wanted to talk about the artist, and that makes it kind of unique to both of us and one of those is the new kids on the block, and I have to ask you this, and I'm sure you've told me this before, but how did you get into the new kids?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's two stories one is some of 1988 me and my family drove from Brooklyn down to Florida because my grandmother, my grandparents had another house down there and we, you know, go down there for a couple of weeks every summer it's a 24 hours drive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a lot of time listening to the radio and I swear to God, please don't go girl, came on the radio at least once in every state that we visit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that story number one, and then obviously like your 12, 13 years old when the new kids get big, you're not supposed to like them because, well, it grows like blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But my first girlfriend in high school, her name was Venetia, and she loved new kids on the plot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I caught some of her fandom and you know, just kind of like discovered them from there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was there ever the rumor where you were that of all bands, poison, kick the new kids asses in a street fight or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard of that before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, that was like, it's not like poison themselves was like the street fighter East band, right, music group of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know why that they were chosen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was just the rumor when I was a kid knowing what I know now about the new kids on the block.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure they would have beat the snob.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Danny Wood would have had somebody in a headlock and give them the keys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My fandom comes from having a little sister and she just played and played and played and played.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as much as you can go like what you said, your dude and you can't like it because it's not cool to like it and then you know back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We, we, in some ways, I would say we are a more mature society, but maybe in others we aren't, but back then, the dudes would try and say, well, why do you like the new kids?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're all okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're gay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, they're gay or you're gay or both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And,

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[SPEAKER_00]: one of the reasons is because Jordan Knight had earrings in both ears from that was how you were signifying that they were gay and so this is like this is what was happening in junior high school and such and it's this you know the girls like the new kids and the boys don't like the new kids

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned, uh, my next or neighbor who would buy all the albums and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't even, I didn't even name him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So his name is, uh, his bill, Bill Parker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But ice column Billy when I was a little kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should probably call him Bill because, you know, I'm not a little kid anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, his wife Michelle and their daughter, Shandra, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see the new kids that new kids were coming to Oakland, I think this is even before San Jose had an arena, so that's how I know the time firm is like before like San Jose had the arena in 93 so had even be before then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she wants to go in the concert and then they're getting tickets and then my mom asked me she's like, do you want to go and I was like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, maybe like I was like should I should I go and so then just by saying yes, I now had to define the reason why I was going to the homies, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't go just because I liked the music and at this time, I wasn't even sure that I liked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just interested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, oh, I'm actually going to see the cover girls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's who I'm going to see, not the new kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to see, I'm going to see, I'm going to see Dino summer girls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, you guys know, Dino and so, um, but the other thing I think was just some of the intrigue of

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is this like, how famous are these dudes really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how much screaming is gonna happen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this wasn't my only new kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So was it my only new kids concert, by the way, I did go back to see them after the block album came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I, same, that was the first time I saw them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't have the, sorry, I was looking for something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't have the childhood exposure that you do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a there's an interesting story about a new kid's concert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it ended up on like unsolved mysteries or something to you remember this what okay So There the I think it's the hang-in tough video tape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I heard this story So supposedly

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't remember, for some reason, I'm thinking that it was at the Bay Area concert that I went to, supposedly there's a young woman at the concert you can see in the video who then disappeared or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that I also think about that whenever I think about this concert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I go, and the concert is fine, like it's not like the greatest thing I've ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I was like, okay, like, I guess I do kind of like these guys, and I like their music and, you know, there's a certain thing about them as a unit that I guess makes them kind of cool or whatever, and it's still to the homies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to pretend like that thing sucked right like oh my gosh, I can't believe I had to shaper on my sister to this kind of like that even that doesn't make sense because my next or neighbor was there so she would have been the shaper like so you know it's like I'm just making shit up at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I think from then on I sort of accepted the reality that, yeah, I kind of did like a lot of their songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so my sister's fandom, you know, step by step comes out and then the Christmas album comes out and you know, I'm cool with with all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think what happens is they go away for a little bit and then they come back with the NKOTB album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not a hit, and everybody had moved on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just felt sorry for them to a point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I respected the lean into trying to be a little bit more adult or more street or more new jack swingier or whatever you wanna call it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then it was really about like, oh, this is like the group that was so famous for like two or three years,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then just hated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just felt really bad for them as a unit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's really where I think my fandom grew for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, damn, that sucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is celebrity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the music business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just felt really bad for those dudes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then to see them kind of come back and become who they've become, I've always just respected it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The grind, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, grind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, the new kids were the biggest thing in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, even then, like, for the reasons that you described, a lot of dudes just were like, this is soft music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like any of this, like, you know, all the girls like them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there is just all of this, there is a lip syncing thing that they tried to push, like all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then it became really not cool to like the new kids and then like kind of grunge came out and you know hip hop got bigger and the type of pop music that the new kids were making went out of style you know and the new kids were seen as not cool and then when they tried to come back like and I think face to music I think is a great record like they made an album that would stand up next to any R&B record from that time period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the first half of that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it falls off a little bit in the second half, but the first half of that album is really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is really good, but had they been a brand new group and put that album out, they would have done better than if they were new kids on the block coming out with their record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because no one listened to that record objectively because they had all this baggage on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the things I was wondering about,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So their their career actually starts in 86 with the first album when they sound at least Joe sounds like a little kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He sounds tiny baby and that album wasn't successful, but hang and tough comes out and they kind of redo it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, I think it's a please don't go girl is actually the single.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That launches them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hanging tough comes out, but nothing happens until please don't go girl comes and hits and then it's like off to the races.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the the Mary Mary Christmas album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Step by step.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will, I will give this way right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Step by step is in my top five, just because it is also in mine, just because of that goddamn video and the counting and how in that song is, yeah, like, like so smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, from step by step, there's a four year window.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I, and, and I'm sure some of this had to do with the Murray star and how they wanted the group to go, but if you are the new kids and let's say you do want to move to a different, uh, you want to grow up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: wouldn't it be safe to just do another sort of evolution of step by step in the middle of face the music so that by the time you get to 94, it's just not this sharp thing and by that because four years go by and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I don't know why they just became the most despised pop group of all time, but like maybe if they had an album in between those two albums, maybe it would have been less of a, less of being hated on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have worked out the same way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, after step-by-step came out, the remix album came out like the beginning of 91, and I think they were on tour for like the next year after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think at that point, they were just like, we're burnt out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a year off and then when they decided to come back, they decided more restart wasn't, you know, they needed to get out of that deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, you know, the time that it took between the albums, like, I don't think it could have happened any other way, because if they made another album, we'll restart what it been like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, step-by-step outside of that one song is not really a great album either, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the story would have ended the same, you know, it was a time period that was very unkind to

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, dudes who sang a dance, particularly if they were not in our big group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So any sort of, you know, this is before in St. Backspeed Boys, all that stuff, um, so it just wasn't a kind time for them, um, so I think things would have ended up the way that they ended up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, it's good because then they got that time in between.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They broke up, came back together and times you changed in the audience was still there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they go on a 14 year break before the block comes out and I remember thinking at the time like these dudes must be poor like why else have to do it but

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[SPEAKER_00]: that album is completely fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's too long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's too long, too much auto tune.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the vibe, I think, is pretty solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He even done a wallberg rhymes mad at me with Grey's Anatomy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's like, hey, man, I'm in, I'm in my 40s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I don't think any of them were hurting for money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they made so much money when they were popular that they none of them probably had to work on the day in their lives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like there was no there was no like a net there was no natural progression of the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like these dudes are why I guess what we can put in in the middle of that is

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[SPEAKER_01]: Joe and Jordan go solo right they made solo records actually Danny made solo records too Jordan solo album is excellent and if you find it on streaming please listen to it's produced by Jimmy GM and Terry Lilliam and Robin's pick

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh who must have been like 17 or 18 at the time um like yeah baby Robin thick uh so you know they probably aren't hurting from money the way I remember the story as they told it is basically that Donnie went through a midlife crisis and he was in the process of getting divorced and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, somehow a bunch of stuff happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to call these guys and see if they want to get back together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, is this pre-geny McCarthy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, oh, yeah, it is pre-geny McCarthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pre- the anti-vaxxer, geny McCarthy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, pre-her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was not anti-silicon, not anti-taxically, clearly, clearly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Play made it, play made it at the year, geny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, indeed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't hate on silicone enhancements, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People need if people want to do that, it's all about the team that's just like, obviously, yes, like your progative, I'm into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yes, so that's, that's actually pretty interesting because, you know, I imagine when those dudes are separate, all they hear is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's your homies at?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, where are the rest of the dudes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I thought you guys live together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how can you guys not be hanging out at this very moment, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, okay, so why do you think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess Jordan and maybe to a lesser extent, Joe, the solo careers didn't really jump off either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I remember the singles from Jordan's album and I was like, oh, maybe there's something here and it just never happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, uh, he was he opened for in sync on that tour that like kind of broke them wide open.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, and again, I think the album was really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still listen to it regularly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I didn't pop off the way it did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the label didn't believe in him who knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, you know, there's,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so uncooled to like the new kids on the block for such a long time that I think when they got back together and there was such this huge response, everybody was like, oh crap, we're all these people been, you know, and to this day, I mean, we're now almost 20 years after that reunion and they still go on tour or do a cruise or whatever it is every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here's an interesting thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in sync in backstreet are about what six or seven years after the step by step album backstreet in sync were like 98 step by step is 90 so they they come in at the right time in this post new kids haze do you think

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[SPEAKER_00]: the new kids themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they had gotten back together around 2000 because that's when albums were selling like crazy for boy band stuff and and girl group stuff as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they come back at that time, do you think they could actually get it back together or are they seeing similarly as they were in 94?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're seeing similarly as they were in 94.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that would have worked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they took the right amount of time off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, right in that boy band moment is when those Jordan and Joe albums came out and, you know, they did okay, like they both went gold, but, you know, they didn't sell like millions and millions and millions of copies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, as we go through the rest of this, like, you know, the new kids themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you think about their comeback, so if we start in 08, so they do the block and introduce us to Lady Gaga and they do a song with some members of new edition, and there's still some songs that I rock with, and you'll see in my top five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then they come back five years later with 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I remember from 10 was that remix video where the girl is the wallflower and then she turns into whatever she turns into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't even remember exactly what happens but that's what I remember about that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the only song I remember off that album too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they do an EP which includes a song with DMX who had DMX passed away yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that was a weird thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like a holiday album, but kind of not a holiday album, like as far as I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in 2024, they come out with still kids, which I think I listened to one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually think I have the CD sitting somewhere, but I don't know that I've heard a thing from it in, you know, two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have the, you know, there's all these anniversary editions of vinyl, right, which makes vinyl pretty fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't remember what anniversary edition I have of the hang and tough album, but it's the one with the, um, the photograph, the photograph.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the, yeah, the picture disc.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I believe it was the 30th anniversary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think there was a 30th anniversary of the step by step album, which I got that one as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I bought the block revisited vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those all, you know, those are all somewhat recent, like, right, you know, but, you know, that's also how they, you know, that you re-release these versions and you add a couple of songs here and there, change the color, the, the no more games, the remix album, that thing was hard to find for a while until it still aren't so fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, if, if they put that out on vinyl, I will buy it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would, I'd probably buy two just on the gimmick of never being able to find that thing forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's get to our top five here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I, like I said, I saw them in concert in whenever that was late 2000s or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've mentioned this to you before, but I think I'm cool with never going to a new kid's concert again, and for the mere fact that that concert is not for me, that concert is for, you know, people who are maybe my age a little bit older, but also wine, wine drinking white girls like these, like, like, oh man, like these dudes,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They damn near get, but naked and they're like changing clothes and like people can see them change and they're out, you know, changing their clothes and being in their skivies and I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I look, they're in really, really good shape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So more power to them for doing that, knowing what their audience wants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just had to look to my right and see like some women, fanning them, I'm like, okay, like I get it because I understand the fandom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they are not putting that concert on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for my kind of fandom you know they're putting it on for a different a different fan which is their biggest selling fan so i get it right i mean it's their prerogative i wonder how Jonathan feels about all of that stuff because he's got it that bag must be huge well historically he's had issues with it right like yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: discussed it and, you know, he, you know, and I don't know how much of his own sexuality that he had to hide, but I remember there being a story of him having to pretend for, you know, for instance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, when the new kids like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was, when the new kids were popular, nobody was out, period.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not nobody from a boy band was out, not nobody who was young was out, nobody was out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Jonathan Knight had come out as gay at the height of the new kid's success, it would have killed all of their careers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only because

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, times have changed, but also, Newcats have been around for 30 years that are a proven draw, like whatever, whatever, like he can get away with that now, but no way that that was happening then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One last thing, and then we'll get to our top five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you, if you were helping produce a Newcats album, would you ever say these words?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should have Danny Wood sing lead on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what song he's actually okay on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Never gonna fall in love again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you know, there was a very clear pecking order of vocalists in that group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate that they tried to make it a democracy kind of, but I don't really know that it

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Danny Danny's Danny's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he has to he is a good dancer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's an excellent dancer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have, okay, side one B question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we again, if we could go back in time and we could like kind of undo with AI, would you undo where

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does he say kicked the ballistics on us all?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he says kicked the ballistics on one of the, maybe on the remix album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Might it maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, Donny, Donny, I'm trying to say this in a way that's not of noxious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Donny was like the first white dude, like first massive pure white dude of the hip hop generation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's paid his dues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but at the same time, can you be that dude and then be on a show called blue bloods for me and years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, Donnie plays a cop iced tea plays a cop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: L. L. plays a cop like you know Latifa sort of played a cop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like if you're going to be a hip hop person and be on TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like and he's he's an Irish guy from Boston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He should be a cop on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I like about him as well as.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a documentary on HBO Max.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a 10 part documentary on the Boston Celtics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: represented very well as the kind of the celebrity fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Donnie Wahlberg.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bell lived a vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And their Celtics in their Celtic stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought I was kind of cool because I think most people think of Donnie and they don't necessarily think of BBD, but I was happy to see B even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a Celtics fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanna see those guys lose pretty much every time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was cool to see both

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[SPEAKER_00]: new kids and new issues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to our top five here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll go first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This this probably would change every time I decided to dig through all of their songs just because some things make me smile Some I'm not paying too close attention and others I just haven't heard in a long time And that's why this song is number five which is their version of a didn't I blow your mind which is kind of the only song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is Listenable on that first album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to hear about

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gosh, what is the last track on that album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always make fun of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like their version of Candy Girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember what it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all of those songs sounded like a version of Candy Girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but I didn't I blow your mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, okay, like there is something tangible on this album, along with the mess of all those other songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My number five is I juggled around with this little bit, but my number five is my favorite girl, which is on the hang and tough album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got like a little freestyle vibe to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly got played a lot on the radio, even though it was not a single yet that there's there's definitely a to it on there, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it sounds like an 808 song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was waiting for Stevie B to bust out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Nuke, I mean, before Hot 97 was a hip-hop station in New York City, it was like a Latin freestyle like dance station.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you would hear lots of exposing Stevie B and, you know, cover girls and all those people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Nuke had not only fit right into that format, but they went on tour with a lot of those artists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I re-listening to all of their albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hanging tough is still the least skippable, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You might be right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, they're dancing me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Face the music is the least skippable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But hanging tough is surprisingly not skippable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a couple of songs on there that

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[SPEAKER_00]: are not great, but no, and near the back end, it could get a little rough, but re-listing to that and the step-by-step album, step-by-step, there's a lot of skippable songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Face the music, like I said, like the first half is like, you're just like, who are these dudes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, where did they come from?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the back half, I think falls off a little bit, but, you know, the block is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: just too long too many songs on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But still, I still have I still have I still have their still enjoyable stuff on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate that you were going for 14 years, but you didn't need to like make up for the last time by making making all those songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number four for me is from face the music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that's on my list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great ballot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a beautiful ballot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, it is, you know, because you were talking about how if you stripped away the fact that it was the new kids, and you put them out as a new group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if you go away is a top 10 hit, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go away almost was a top 10 hit, so that came out like two years before Facebook and music it was just a single.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember having that cassette single.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the new kid's star had fallen, but if you put that song in, actually, I'm looking now, I peaked in the number 16, but the tire that I would have even thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that song is very much in line with like stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Mariah was doing around that time, yeah, it doesn't, it's not a kitty record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, you know, mature, well performed record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, what's your number four?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my number four is also from face to music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is keep on smiling, which it was also in the free willy soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to free willy and it's just when I'm in like a really bad mood that song puts a smile on my face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that's actually a good thing to know which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I'm in a bad mood, but I'm going to throw this song on it, at least make me feel better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's a good trick that you have there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, some of it is nostalgia, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I played that face in music tape out, oh, my little walkman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it is just like a very upbeat, fun, like, celebrate life kind of song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's where I think I'm going to lose you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because this song is from the block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of auto tune, a lot of donny will work to in the morning, I like this song a lot and again, you get mad at me before grazing at me, corny is all hell, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You tell me how old you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it like you're not you need a kid, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're you're a grown up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I really like this song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like like there's another ballot on this song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean on this album called.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, stare at you stare at you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are probably my two favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't tell you my two favorite songs on that album because there's another one from this album that I have on this list, but like if I'm listening to that album, I'm probably skipping, I'm a big boy, you're a big girl now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm skipping some of the other songs, but I'm stopping on two in the morning, I'm stopping at stare at you and I'm like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: getting into them, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That I'm paying attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking I'm listening and I'm like possibly singing them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those two songs, I think are really, really, really good songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you on one of those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And two in the morning, I don't hate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just is, you know, I don't know that I need to hear Donnie Walberg singing entire song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that, that is the flaw, but that's why you have the auto too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what is the next for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: My number three is please don't go girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously an important thing to know, which I sort of assume people listening know, but may not is that there would be no new kids on the block if it wasn't for new addition literally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: New kids on the block was created as a white new

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[SPEAKER_00]: And think of how, like, society backwards that is, it's like, we have this black group, they're successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if we make it white, they can be even more successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at people like Bieber.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, I made the things I haven't changed so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I, you know, I share the story of when I first heard, please don't go girl on this trip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I first heard it, I thought it was an old new addition record that, you know, they were just bringing back out because, you know, any heartbreak was out and it was super popular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it turns out it was these five white kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, when I came back to New York, I'm receiving them a soul train.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think again, some of it is nostalgia, but please, for a song sung by a little kid, and you know, Joey wasn't even like a teenager sounding person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He sounds like a five-year-old, essentially.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It actually holds up really well, and doesn't really make me feel, if you like, sometimes when you hear other songs that like, little kids were singing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you think that Joey was going to be the biggest star of the group when that when that song came out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I didn't know who they were when it first came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, had I been a betting person after, like, face the music came out and they broke up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Had it been like, oh, you know, Donny's going to be a producer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be super popular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jordan's going to be popular as well, because he has the voice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Joey became a popular singer and a popular actor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so that I guess Joey coming out of left field was a bit of a surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of thinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe is a little like the marketing is that he's a kid and he's the youngest and he's the smallest and so that kind of, you know, that that happens with other groups, Jackson five, Michael ends up being just supremely talented and in a talented family, but just so much more talented there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, but I always saw Jordan as

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[SPEAKER_00]: the star and anyway he didn't even map out quite like I thought it would like I thought Jordan was going to be much bigger than he ended up being right but I always looked at the two of them and I was like you know what

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe's a little bit of a gimmick though he became successful in his own right so he even outkicked what I thought he was going to be able to do but and maybe Jordan maybe didn't get as far as I thought but I was always like I think Jordan's the one not Joe you know I think it's going to be Jordan but that was you know trying to figure that out you know 30 years ago yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so my next, uh, for number two for me is step-by-step, that's, it's my second favorite, second favorite new kids song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, sing songy, super memorable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's gimmicks in that song to get you to count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the video, the way they shot the video with the color and then the Easter eggs of seeing market mark in the video and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my number two is if you go away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I, you know, beautiful ballad beautifully song, still pop it today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really wanted to put the games remix on this not five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I've told the story before about me and Donnie Wellberg's Facebook relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that, I still like that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it is very time and place though, like you can hear the production and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, okay, I know when this thing was made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I get a kick out of that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, anytime that Donnie takes himself seriously as a rapper is just fun for me, like it's just a blast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have, I have so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where Donnie Wahlberg is just, I can just imagine him in the back going like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: called up Keras want to ask them what he thought about this line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm going for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's just like that whole thing is so it's so it's fun for me to think about, but my number one song is one that we actually talked about in our Neo episode, which is single, single, singles, my favorite, the, you know, again, this this could probably change, but if I was to think

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[SPEAKER_00]: project as what song do I want to hear out of their catalog more than any other song, I think it's single.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so single and click, click, click, both like narrowly missed my list like those to me are the two best songs on the block.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have an summer time too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about summer time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like that song too, but it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember exactly what we saw in the Neo episode, but I think that that song is better because the new kids are on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's better than the Neo version by himself with Polo D'Noon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that takes nothing away from Neo who was incredibly talented and by the way, I found out it has an album coming out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at the end of July.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, it'll be interesting, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say I haven't really liked the last few.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's single single is one of those songs that is better because the new kids are on it and like you said again the block is a very inconsistent record, but the good the good moments are really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually I remember when single came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, they really need to see if they can push this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause they got Neo on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The video is cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The video is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, man, like if I was, you know, if I was this label, I would try and put some steam behind this song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't feel like they really did, though, you know, I would be wearing everyone's in a while when I'd be out and about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, man, we are at the end of this and wait my number one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's going to be step by step, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is definitely step by step.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is why I was quite why you were talking about step by step because I was like, but yes, for all the reasons you mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Step one, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can have lots of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, I used to make fun of step three though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Step three was I was like, okay, Jordan get ready for step three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm about to kick you in the nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One, two, boom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can hit that high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what you do when you're 14.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is why, um, yeah, I'm glad we didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am glad I didn't have a podcast when I was 14.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was 14.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we would be so much trouble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So much trouble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd either be canceled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or we'd have like the most views of like any podcast in the game right now and then we'd be it would be one of the other because like I mean so much of the popular stuff out there is so stupid at the same time it made it ended up being both