Boyz II Men and the End of an R&B Era | The Cool Check-In

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the cool check-in, Mike Joseph and myself, WG here, yes indeed, we had, when we put together our list of albums, there was a glaring error where we were like, huh, no boys to men, what, what, what are we going to do about that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think when it comes to the albums, I don't think we made a mistake in leaving out a voice to men album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were very competitive years in which their best albums were out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even essentially, it stopped making new music for the most part of our favorite artists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of their albums have been like just redoing old songs and such.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing the classics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have an album about 12 years ago that I tried to get through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just was that 20 or lied lie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's not a good record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what do you do when you're kind of at this crossroads of your past?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, your past resume versus what fans want to hear from you versus what your label is expecting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it seems like it's kind of a hard gig when you get to a certain level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's almost like their success in a sense works against them, but also what they can fall back on is, what's go, do residencies and we'll just want to wear and we'll see the end of the road forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you actually saw these guys not too long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How did they sound?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How did they look?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they look great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They sound great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, these are these are classically trained singers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like these are dudes that went to school for singing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is no situation in which they're ever going to sound bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think some of the songs had support tracks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, they, they don't need them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they had some little choreography that was kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't think of boys cement and think choreography necessarily, but, you know, they had that nail down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a great show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was a new addition way tour with them and E and Tony Braxton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was all around a good show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would go see boys to men live by themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they can fill up 45 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not so sure that they fill up two hours without going into likes and deep cuts Or covers and stuff that we don't really want to hear, but it was a good show and they brought they brought Mike out They did they did they brought Mike out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did that on a few shows along the tour So so that was that was pretty cool

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why that is relevant or that it, because Mike is just a big part of their story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he left the group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was ill, multiple sclerosis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's in most, I mean, is it most, I heard a few different stories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that that's I think what he said, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there has been some argument about

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[SPEAKER_01]: whether it was his illness or whether it was just him not showing up anymore like I know Sean has said that there was a big argument between he and Mike and one year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think one year may stay on the outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So much so to the point of where Mike picked Sean up and slammed him

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you've got scol- I think it was scoliosis and not multiple scorosis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you've got scoliosis, which I understand to be like a back problem, and you're picking up 175 pound dude in like throwing them through a table, your scoliosis ain't that bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A quite the rush of adrenaline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a spanner shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Sean's point about telling the story and Biv was on this podcast when he was telling the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and bib was like, man, I commend you for telling that story because in this story, you kind of get your ass kicked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's kind of a, for you, you're telling this story from like, a source of like, yeah, I'm not going to feel a certain way about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've already thought about this a hundred times and I want to tell truth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike had tried to show up to some things and they were like dude like we've been calling you and you haven't been picking up like we're out we're not waiting for you were gone and this was a couple of different shows so it sounds like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: some of it was, you know, if it wasn't illness, there was a lot of, maybe whatever Mike was dealing with, he was just not showing up to work and they just kept on as a three-sum, but to see that circle back to, they can bring him out for certain performances as part of the act.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of cool to, when you can do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, you can be a big person about it and all four of them, by the way, not just, you know, Mike and Sean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you mentioned there where they kind of got their chops is, you know, they went to school for creative and performing arts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This magnet school that produced singers, dancers and musicians.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The original founding members, I believe were Nate and Mark Nelson, Mark Nelson, yeah,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he also remember as yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At that, you know, there's so many groups that did such similar stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I got that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After boys to men blew up like 20,000 other similar groups came out of the woodwork.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they added Juanier, Sean Stocker, and we've talked about Juanier a little bit in our brandy episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Mike McCree, Mike McCary, who was the deep voice, the bass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that a few different names, one of those names was a unique attraction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds so late, 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Monique and unique from Boomerang.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, they were in the same kind of like, they were like the children of New Edition, like that's kind of who they looked up to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were able to sneak back stage into a BBD concert and found,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And perform for Biv, and I think they snuck backstage at a new edition concert because it's a DVD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a new edition of a new edition here and then BPD became their mentor and manager and brought them to Motown was how many albums that they actually do for Motown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think two studio albums and then like just album on Motel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, two studio albums then the Christmas album and the remix album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is at a time when Motel is, you know, kind of late in the game for Motel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, 1991 Motel has like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, outside of the axe that bid brought to the label, they had Johnny Gil, they had the boys, they had Shanese, so it was a decent roster, but it wasn't like 60, 70s Motown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So their debut album is Cooley High Harmony, and it kind of just wrecks shop immediately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like these dudes, and you know what's interesting cause we talked about this on our episode on a tribe called Quest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like kind of like where new jack swing is and where the tribe go and these guys are coming off of new jack swing being very important but the focus of their second album is like completely the opposite they were like nope we're putting on suits we're not wearing these baggy pants and and you know and these boots were we're putting on suits and we're going to harmonize and we're going to

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh you know make make slow jams and such and so like we did have them kind of at this this version of them in that new jack swing kind of era under that Michael Biven's influence but it's sweet really quick real quick yeah I mean the first the whole first out of Koolihai harmony is you know new jack swing like it's all like it

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all like hip hop beats and you know, they had the core, again, the choreography like the Motown affiliate video, they're dancing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so it was kind of, they were a good bridge from New Jack swing into what R&B eventually became.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when they came out, they were obviously hot and they were nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was like that, they didn't really have an edge to them necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, they were a little corny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you think of like jodicy, like jodicy had a style, like they had a swag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And new addition came in and you're like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are some nice young men, like they're just, they just seem like nice guys and then when they lean into that second album, you know, they are trying to kind of grow up a little bit and they're like, nope, we're not really, you know, these young boy band kind of kind of group were actually like an actual singing group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was kind of cool to see that evolution, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I kind of do miss a little bit of that Motown Philly aspect of what they brought to the table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like in the initial part, the fuck is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're the initial part of their career when it first came out, like they came out the same time as Colony Bad came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was these two groups with four guys, all of them singing kind of like, do up inspired harmony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was the initial comparison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Colony Bad and Bois to men.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then later in 1991, Joe to see came out and they blew up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Joe to see,

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[SPEAKER_00]: was a similarly a harmony group, but Jotacy had the swag, you know, Jotacy had like a little bit of hood in them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the comparison became like boys to men, Jotacy, good boys with the bad boys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, boys to men never really went that bad boy route.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I think they were just kind of like, you know, I'm trying to say this in like a decent way,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boyzman was class.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boyzman was dinner in a movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jodacy was taking you straight to bed to bone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was kind of the difference between the two groups.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the second album is three years later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this thing just blows the F up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you could not listen to radio,

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[SPEAKER_01]: as this album is out and not here one of three songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll make love to you on bed and near water once runs dry like those songs kind of dominated the airwaves in that year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it leads into them working with Mariah Carey for another song that is just on the radio all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about this when it gets to our top five and our rock with it or stop with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then like the success of that second album,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, 12 million copies from a peer R&V vocal standpoint, like that was just like that was kind of their year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's it's almost like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: everything that you did after just gets compared to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, right, evolution comes out in 97.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, evolution, they were trying to do a couple of different things, though they still did their pattern stuff that worked on their second album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just didn't do as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's always compared to that giant second record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that probably happened for their next like two or three records until they were just like screw it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're never going to get back there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of these hits that we do have and and keep our career going right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, just to think about like the bigness of How, you know, how big voice to men was in their hey day You know average record comes out spends three four weeks or number one at most End of the road, which was like the bridge record between the first and the second album comes out It breaks a record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been 13 weeks at number one

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whitney comes out, breaks that record without always love you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boys to make come back out 94 and break Whitney's record, I'll make love to use number one for 14 weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a year after that, once we date with Mariah comes out and breaks that record or someone for 16 weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So boys to men have, I think, now three of the five or six longest running number one records in history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like songs that were just ubiquitous, they were everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was end of the road available on single, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, because I was about to say that I excited, you know, everyone had the boomerang soundtrack because it was it was a good soundtrack, but yeah, it's a very good soundtrack also like that song kind of coming from that movie was uh, was uh, yeah, I mean, amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't even on their actual album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At that time, you couldn't chart unless you had a single out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, into the road was a single.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was so popular that they went back and repressed the first album with into the road on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, what's the, what's the, what's the slow jam from the first album to remake from Kooley High?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's so hard to say goodbye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's hard to say goodbye and into the road on the same album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... coolie high the movie with uh... Lawrence hilton jacobbs jacobbs here glinterman yeah who also played jojaxon every jacson everything that's right back to the jacson's that's right that voice men are in that movie they are

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, boys two minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, in the Jackson's movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, in the movie, hi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, not the cool, yeah, hi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were born, yes, yes, they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get into a fight, like, who's the one that's boxing in that movie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen that movie in so long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, you know, just an incredible

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[SPEAKER_01]: three years of just success after success after success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what often happens is the success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just cannot follow follow it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's almost come down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, evolution, I still live by that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember being on campus and listening to that CD a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it might, I will, I'm not going to spoil it, but my number one in the top five is on that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, my number one is also on that album, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: the rest of that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'm feeling so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, did he on that record?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's, yeah, there's definitely, like, uh, you can split the split that's, uh, album into and they try to do some fast stuff on that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to get on the radio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to get in the clubs, which was the time, uh, you know, to do that 1997, you know, he kind of wanted to get played in the clubs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it just, yeah,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then, they come back with Nathan Michael Shawn Juan Yaine 2000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: um, I would actually think is their best album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like a lot of songs on that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It did not sell like the others and then full circle in 20 or 2002 to year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like some songs on that album too, but they are pretty much fading from the the uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the zeitgeist from that like big like you know at that point the boy bands in sink and all that they're taking over and boys to men's kind of left off to the side a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bands that would not exist if it was not for boys to men and I think that you know backstory boys in particular have had given props to boys to men um you know but there there is no

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's new addition, there's new kids, there's voice to men and then kind of backstreeting and sink and 90 degrees were like a mixture of those three groups.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you ever listen to any of those other albums post 2002?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the 20th anniversary album, that song, that album has some good songs on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was, and I don't think I have it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was an album they did that was only released overseas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The remedy, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The remedy, which I think you sent me back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That album is not even available on Apple Music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not on streaming services anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if I still have that on a hard drive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the remedy, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the remedy here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So ultimately, the idea of

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[SPEAKER_01]: their success, I think the thing because I don't think a lot of people when they think about new artists are kind of what's hot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't really think a voice to men anymore, but they think of them as maybe you and I would have thought about like the temptations or something that our parents were listening to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of how you think about voice to men

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[SPEAKER_01]: they are still able to continue their careers based off of those hit records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, just like you said, just being as good as they still sound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And today, like they still, they still, this is still their business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is still how there's still their career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They may not be selling 12 million records, 12 million albums, but they still have

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were working musicians and, you know, they also have like a large international audience but, you know, they were popular enough and they're still talented enough that they could go into any city and like pull up to like a theater or like a big club or something and, you know, shut it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: musical skills and not, you know, a gimmick or dance or anything like that, like they can tour forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know how I think I would like to see them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I've seen them before, but I think it was at like one of those hot august nights, kind of things where there's like 15 different artists and they each do like three songs kind of cycle for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I saw them on one of those kind of concerts, but I've never seen them otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see them at like a small-ish venue, like, you know, maybe a thousand to two thousand seats, maybe it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Valentine's, you know, kind of show because because Crystal loves voice to men, like she would totally be down and she would totally be down to see them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, kind of intimate, you know, I would go to that new addition concert with voice to men if I hadn't just seen new addition not that long ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But otherwise, like I would love to see them in like a more intimate setting and just let them, you know, put their Tuxedo's on and do their thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, you know, you go to a voice to men showing like a small venue is going to be like, with your ladies going to be like, missed a steal your girl times three, like, they're going to walk into the audience with like roses and shit to be like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to do a couple of the segments that we do in the 50 for 50.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to mention Sean Stockman's podcast first though, because on that note, it's so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were left in the dust by Questlove when Questlove Supreme ended because that was like, man, if I wanted to listen to people nerd out about music that I grew up on,

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[SPEAKER_01]: or even before me, that was my podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when Questlove ended that show to do his Questlove show, which is not just music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is also a bunch of others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, still in your show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Sean Stockman kind of picked up the baton there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now my frustration with that podcast, which I support the mission, which is

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a free tier to his podcast, which you can find on any streaming service, any podcast service.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to hear more, a lot of the extras are on his Patreon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I may do one of these days is I may just subscribe to his Patreon for like a month, download all the stuff just right here and then piece out, yeah, it is structured in a way to where I don't really feel guilty doing that because he's got he's got interviews with his crew with his voice demand crew where they tell the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got interviews with BPD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got interviews with Ralph.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got interviews with all the new.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like in very like personal settings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, you know, he has kind of picked up the baton one of our early episodes was on that Selena documentary that had come out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to promote that documentary, Selena sister was on Sean's show as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, oh, like we're kind of thinking about the same things here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and of course he's got the the pool to bring those people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's it's it's a really good show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a gimmick at the end of each show where he plays guitar and he performs with the guest if they get if they are a musical guest like I think he got didn't you get Bobby to sing rock with you or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got Bobby to sing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the one I love is he got Moana from the jet to sing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't think he got Paul at a sing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul ain't singing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, Apollo was like, yo, if you got MCScatcat, then I'll sing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't got MCScatcat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We ain't saying it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does Paula do, does Paula perform at all anymore?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was on tour with the new kids a couple years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine that was a lot of just her lip singing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it was all lip-sinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What fortune it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe fortune it for the people who are growing, because you don't want her to be with those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those records, those records of bobs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, and I'm sure, I mean, Paula's up there, but I'm sure the choreography is still super tight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder, you know how we were just talking about how they bring out Mike for their, I wonder if she brings out Keanu Reeves when she performs a rush for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For the rush rush, oh man, I think Keanu has something to do with us too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's do our jam and Lewis and LaFace segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the good thing about this one is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've worked with both groups with giant success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but who would you rather hear a full album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you rather hear a full album of jam and Lewis and boys to men or LaFace and boys to men?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny, because I'm looking at my top five to the songs of jam and Lewis songs, to the songs of LA Babyface songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think my answer is always going to be jamming Lewis just because the stuff they did they do is a little bit more experimental less formulaic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you know, and I will also say that there's a particular baby face song that boys to men did that I absolutely hate, which I'm sure we'll talk about at some point in the remainder of this episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to go with with jam and Lewis here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm jam and Lewis too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you, there's going to be a, you know, there's probably going to almost always be jam and Lewis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: though, you know, you cannot argue with the law face and voice to men's success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like just baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, baby face rights great songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there was just what that show Cadillac Chronicles, just had a um, they put on YouTube, baby face version where they brought out like John B. and Kenny G. and the whispers and like all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like baby faces dope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only thing I didn't let not in listen to that episode, but it's windy, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're using auto tune for definitely using auto tune.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That can see the wind blowing through Kenny G's hair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Kenny G's hair is going all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm like, I'm just a man in focusing on what he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I was in his eye to play the sex.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure Kenny has played outside enough, and he can deal with the wind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk about the tears of these albums now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just go through 2002.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we need to go any beyond that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just said something that

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... that i took note of you said that nathan michael shan and wanya is your favorite album of theirs or maybe you thought that was the best album of theirs it is my favorite album of theirs okay so would you put that in the must listen category though

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would actually, I mean, for me personally, for me personally, two would be the muscleist now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think two's the muscleist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, from just like everybody should hear this album perspective, I think two is probably the muscleist novel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Nathan Mike Sean one, yeah, that is a very, very good record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where would you put Kulihai Harmony?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So would you put it in muslison or would you put it in a middle tier?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's in the middle tier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Biv in the video being on the toilet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Questlove is in a video too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, baby Questlove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's silly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they went in, went to school together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did a, see, the Questlove did an episode with Voice to Man that was during the pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So those guys were all on Zoom, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it was as good as it could have been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure he probably thought the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like those those a lot of pandemic episodes were a little tougher when you listen Yeah, because we're all in a different headspace, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Different headspace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you'd put muscle Listen, you'd put the top tier you'd put two and you'd put Nathan Michael Sean one yay and then in the middle You'd put coolie high harmony good harmony here where would you put evolution and full circle in the middle or forced hands only

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[SPEAKER_00]: Full circle I feel like there's a four stands only record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just there's really only three or four songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's really like pull out of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, it's a great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was a great song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I love you is a great song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have something called on the road again, which is really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The song with faith is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's four stands only an evolution to me is also I remember being kind of disappointed by evolution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, there's only, now I'm like trying to cycle through the track listing in my brain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's maybe only like three songs on it out of them that I still come back to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that is it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, actually, you know what, we do have one more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Grammys, you're nuts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now this one, they're fair share of Grammys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There, a few Grammys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in 1992, best new artist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seal, Colour Me Bad, CNC music factory, boys to men, and Mark Cone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, this was very controversial at the time, because Mark Cone won, and he's essentially a one hit wonder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and there's, they're good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the other part about this is you have

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he's like, Colory Bad has a couple of lighter skin guys in their group, but like, yes, I have a music also is exactly the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, if we're talking complete body of work, I would give that to either boys to men or seal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, what about the 1992?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we're talking about 1992?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it becomes kind of a three-way toss up because I'm a throw calling me bad in there as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I want to sex you up was like the song of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but I'll admit I think New Jack City soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and even like I adore me a more was kind of a pop that a lot of slow jam Bob.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, body of work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I love seal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I would I would voice him and seal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would give them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would give them both the.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cohorts cut it half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, cut it well cut it in five pieces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or give seal half and have voice to men split the other color me batter is my buddy used to call them color me bad to data.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because of the two D's at the end of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was the one that stands out though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they won their fair share of Grammys though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, they did they did okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll come back with our top five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are going to be shorter episodes for boys to men because, you know, we won't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did want to give them their kudos and their opponents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're being part of our listening lives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll come back with top five, check out 50 for 50.net.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As I was telling Mike,

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[SPEAKER_01]: were like halfway through by the time this thing comes out will be half way we will be as we are recording we're all we're like a week away from halfway with just kind of incredible we'll go for we'll go into 20 27 for short just because yeah but like in the mindset of what this was about we were like what were like halfway through so it's been it's been a great ride and I always enjoy doing the research I enjoy listening to the songs I was digging

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[SPEAKER_01]: pass you by I was like oh man I remember this song is a nice song like that way it's a beautiful song where these nice songs that we grew up with that I don't hear from new artists anymore what's going on amen to that okay we'll be back with the top five so for Mike and WC when we see you peace