Late Night Legend: Reviewing Arsenio Hall’s New Book | The Cool Check-In

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it is the latest episode of, and on the cool check in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what we're going to talk about now, this,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This episode is going to basically take the place of 50 for 50 this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to record some more episodes, but we like to be a little bit backlog so that we have stuff that we can post out and we need an extra week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're just going to post this this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take a break from our deep dives, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the next episode after this will be Mary J. Blyesh, what's the 411 unless something insane happens and we change the schedule for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the scheduled next album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's one we'll talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for this week, you and I had been wanting to do this episode on Arsenio Hall, his memoir just came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a huge deal to us in our teenage years with his late night

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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to watch episodes of the tonight show and I tried to watch episodes of David Letterman and I just could not unless someone like Eddie Murphy was on then I would get through it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for whatever reason, this was the only late night show I could ever rock with or Sineel Hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I didn't watch Johnny Carson, you know, before our Sineel Hall came on and I never

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just said David Letterman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jay Leno.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's been different variations of David.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and even and even now, I mean, I don't really watch late night TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll catch like clips from Jimmy Kimmel or whoever in the morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, our Sineo, when it wasn't a school night and I could actually stay up past 11.30.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was a point in reviewing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, summertime, Friday nights.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was definitely, you know, wanted to check out our Sineo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to remember the year exactly, but there was an entire summer where I would record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the entire monologue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I would record the guest as well if it was a favorite guest of mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just remember I had this full summers worth of our senior hall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just because, you know, it just felt like

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[SPEAKER_01]: the thing to, you know, the thing for me and that it had to have been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the show day views in what 89 beginning of 89.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So January, 89.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was, I would guess it's either that summer or the following summer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also does the MTV VMAs, which was special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think back to back years, he does the VMA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he did three years in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he did a 99.991.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's kind of hot and on the scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then people remember him from coming to America.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also says now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how true this is because I've never heard this story though I will tell you the version of the story that I heard in his book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said when he was about to quit the show Martin Lawrence offered him Bad boys the will Smith part in bad boys and I was like I guess I could see it

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'd never heard the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So before I get to the story that I heard, had you ever heard that story?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd never heard that story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in Will's book, he talks about Martin sitting him down and pitching the bad boy script to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the one thing that does seem true between both stories is that Martin had the script first and was looking for whoever his number two

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, Arsenio Hall wasn't really like a movie actor outside of coming to America.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds more plausible that Will Smith would have been offered the role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll tell you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had like a film history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll connect some of the dots for you and the, which, the dots that I have,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the dots that I'm going to try and connect actually makes the there are anything a little bit more plausible okay but but the part of his story that I found interesting is he was saying that when he decided to step away he wanted to step away in full he didn't want to step away from late night and then go do movie we wanted to take a break so okay here's the story as I

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[SPEAKER_01]: was for a totally different movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say it was like Dana Carvey and John love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something I think that sounds really familiar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then Martin is involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who does Martin want to do with?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do it with?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course he wants to do with Eddie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think about the time frame of bad boys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking nutty professor time frame a little bit before that actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's before that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they probably just worked together on boomeray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, bad boys comes out in 95, so we're in this space of some Eddie Murphy failures would say and because his comeback is is not a professor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: also Eddie's probably a little bit too pricey for the budget for the movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Martin said that his sister was the one that said, I think it was his sister.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you should check out will like that you remember that that sounds the way I remember it, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's quite possible that he may have

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[SPEAKER_01]: what about our Sineo, because Eddie and our Sineo are like best friends, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where the tie-in fits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't know that I necessarily believe that our Sineo was like one of the main the main calls, but some should ask Martin about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's first time I've ever heard about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, then Martin and Will have the chemistry and they've now done four of these movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we jumped far ahead, but that was part one of the stories in the book that I was like, I never heard that before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk a little bit about the book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can we can talk about some of the episodes of the Arsenio Hall show that we also remember very clearly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did rewatch about 75% of the very first Arsenio Hall episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With memoirs, memoirs are great because you kind of get this like first hand insight into certain things that you may have always thought about, but they're also written in a way in some points where they're really protecting their PR at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was very interested in hearing Arsenio talk about the end of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the story that our Sineo paints is that he was sick of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were stripping away what it was that it was going down in ratings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wanted to end it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually ends it and then paramount publicly makes it seem like they fired him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's essentially the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to believe our sineos version, but everywhere else that I've seen says it's the other way around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I want to believe the our sineo version.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our sineo has receipts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's a letter in the book that actually is his resignation letter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know, it did seem like super abrupt because, you know, he's five years into the show,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that the show was doing that badly, but you know there was also a bunch of like new blood around

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can definitely see the Arsenio just kind of getting tired of being pulled in so many different directions can't really have who he wants to have on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time he wants to bring someone that's a little controversial on the show it's a fight with the network because in that you know we're still not really into like the, you know, the normalization of like hip hop culture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there is fallout from him having Lewis Faracan on the show like all this stuff and I mean the truth is probably somewhere in between But I can definitely see our senior being like, you know what this is I've had enough like I've been doing this for five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of work

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just chill like the one impression that I get from his book is that like he doesn't want to be back he wants to be that guy but he doesn't want to be that guy in a way like he wants to kind of play the back be private um while still being able to like host and entertaining to all that stuff he wants to do but it just seemed like he was a little kind of he was kind of sick of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: were you surprised that anything in that book that he admitted or wrote about like I was at the one thing I was thinking of as we were talking was the Paula Abdul stuff now he didn't go deep into their relationship but he admitted that they dated at the very least I mean I did that's

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way around that, but they had always kind of skated over that story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ever, isn't somebody asked?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like, you know, um, that didn't really surprise me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm glad he admitted it because it's like, come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can put two and two together, 35 years ago when we were teenagers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly we can put two and two together now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was very, you know, you mentioned him being protected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he was not only protected about his story, but he was protective of

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the people in his circle that he valued.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he's protective of Eddie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's what I, that's what I was wondering is, does that come from Eddie specifically because Eddie became a star at such a young age and he saw,

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[SPEAKER_01]: what happens when you are don't have like that tight circle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Eddie pulls way back right from as he gets older.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder if that was strictly because of what Eddie saw and was like, hey man, this is what you need to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I almost appreciated it because so many of these books are just kind of about the drama and shit talking people and doing all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a

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[SPEAKER_00]: everybody that our studio encountered he painted in a pretty positive light which I'm sure is not the case in like real real life but you know he protected Mike he protected Whitney he protected print see you know made sure he didn't kind of mess with anybody's legacy in a negative way while still I think coming across as being fairly honest so you know I mean I thought it was entertaining

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think the Pamela Anderson thing was maybe the closest thing to the relationship for me the fact that they went out or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about the idea that uh

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[SPEAKER_01]: until his dying day, Richard prior love them strippers, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I definitely see that, you know, I mean, I didn't know they were that close, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was interesting to hear about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually, I think the cooler Richard prior story was the fact that he brought Steve Harvey to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Arsenio and Steve Harvey apparently knew each other from when they were like teen college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I guess the story is that Arsenio was watching TV with Richard Pyron, Richard Pyron saw this TV, Harvich was like, yeah, that dude looks like me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Arsenio was like, I know this dude and brought Steve to meet Richard, which just felt like a really like cool heartwarming sort of story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Arsenio was close to some really, really big time superstars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously Eddie Richard magic, like magic giant, and he, Arsenio wrote about going through the, when magic came, went public

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[SPEAKER_01]: how magic specifically called Arsineo to tell him and then wanted to come on the Arsineo Hall show to have a discussion and conversation and I remember the part about that show because such a big deal, you know, on a small tangent, magic Johnson news, I know exactly where I was when I heard it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is how big of a moment that was right it was a huge moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a huge moment for me too

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was a Lakers fan and also like I lived in Detroit for three years and that's where magic is from or he's from, you know, Michigan anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that news like hit me like a ton of bricks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I might have been in school when the rumor first when the rumor started and I think the press conference might have, you know, I might have been home already, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: at any rate yeah that was you know you think about our generation um that's probably like a top five cultural moment of of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in basketball study hall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What the hell is basketball study hall?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're on the basketball team and your coaches force you as a group to go into a

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[SPEAKER_01]: to gather like under his supervision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the coach walked up in front and said, hey, man, this news just came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Magic Johnson, and then he's like, yeah, I mean, he used it as an opportunity to tell these dudes like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you distract the shit on them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know, but at that point, I think I was like 14.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it just to tell me that, but there were, you know, there were seniors on that in that, in that classroom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that that was like a shock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they were just like open mouth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, of course, because of the age that we are, everyone's trying to be cool about it and crack jokes, but you could just tell like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, what does this mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, where are we going with this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's very memorable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I remember them doing all like the news clips.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, he already died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're playing it so hard to say goodbye to yesterday and all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he just got in the like, no, nobody would have imagined in a million years that here we are in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And magic Johnson is still alive and healthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, yeah, we all thought he'd be dead within like five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of the book is about his childhood and moving around the family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His dad was like 30 years older than his mom's mom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I didn't know they had a age gaps like that back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was crazy and pops as a preacher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And moms is not really into the religion, like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of wonder how that relationship really started, like what happened there, but I got married, Hadar Sineo, and they got divorced when he was pretty young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he talks about, or he writes about,

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[SPEAKER_01]: all the places that he lived, like they were just moving out, moving in, moving out, moving in, and then they would settle for a little bit, he'd make some friends, and then they'd move again, and then I think finally he, you know, he does,

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[SPEAKER_01]: when he goes to college, he's kind of settled and such.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's, you know, on the on the radio, doing the the college radio shows and he's doing stand up and he's a magician.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got all of these like very interesting stories about his background that kind of makes him who he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he just decides

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[SPEAKER_01]: to go to Hollywood and to do stand up there, you know what's interesting about his story, I think, is, at least to me, we know him as someone who really never settle down to get married.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, even his son is born from a relationship,

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[SPEAKER_01]: of like it sounds like both of them wanted to have a kid and they're really good friends back in the day and I mean the way I could do each other but never with the intention of like marrying each other I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the way I read it and I think he's still with his kid's mom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh is it's is it the same one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the same woman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think it's been the same woman for like 35 years or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just did the Janet Jackson thing and

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[SPEAKER_01]: because the way that he described it was that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were fond of each other, but it's not like when he was talking about her, he was like, and she would soon to become the mother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he didn't talk about her like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was kind of like, huh, I wonder if this was just like, you know, a convenient kind of thing where we both would have it and we both like each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But no, that's okay, you connected those dots then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think you started out as his assistant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but he did mention how attractive she was immediately when he met her, but ultimately so all through the background, and then we end up with the show, and I think the show is probably at least half of the book, like just going over guests and ups and downs, and because he comes out like a ball of fire.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he really catches the attention, and it was a necessary show for the new audience and and you know almost like the anti-Johnny in a sense because that was one of the things when I was younger is like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Johnny's kind of old and corny, like why would I like this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well that's the thing, like if you were watching a talk show back in those days, your options were basically Johnny Carson and David Letterman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny Carson was very much like, oh, Hollywood, you know, he's going to have these people on that are more his era, his age.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're a teenager, Johnny Carson at this point is probably there's like 50s or 60s, like there's just not going to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: any interest, whereas I think Letterman's thing was like college age in like 20s like suburban white people for lack of a better term.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And neither Carson nor Letterman was putting any real like minority talent on their shows or like young talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you had

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[SPEAKER_00]: of a big group of artists, you know, what are their actors or directors or singers or whoever it is that just for as far if they want to be on late night TV, they don't have an option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're as Spike Lee going to go, you know, where is Denzel going to go, where's Luther going to go, you know, where's new addition going to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So our senior just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd been laying was completely empty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He stepped into the lane and then the entire audience was like, oh, like, we didn't even realize there could be a thing for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're all going to flock to this show because it's the only game in town.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I know most about Johnny Carson or at least up to that point was half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that on Raw?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was on Raw, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anywhere if you raw he uses Johnny Carson's divorce as an example of like why Eddie himself didn't really want to get married because he saw Johnny is very successful did all this great work like just late night legend very rich and then is on the national inquire with yeah with this like whole thing of like oh man like my empire because he had to

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[SPEAKER_01]: because he had a at now an ex-wife and then he was taking a half of his money and he would say something like, oh yeah, you know, Johnny Carson puts all this money in and then his wife

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know put whatever like five dollars in or whatever and that equals half and he was using this as a as a thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it goes into, um, was it on foo foo?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what he says?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was in foo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what I knew about Johnny was through the city Murphy story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think like if you think about how.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How things can be created like anybody doing a Johnny rip off is going to fail because why would someone watch a Johnny rip off when the real Johnny is still there right

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[SPEAKER_01]: Letterman a little bit younger for sure a little bit more of like that SNL style of comedy I would say and so you don't want to do letterman because he's already got his show so you go to the right and I thought it was the perfect opportunity now our scenario on his very first show as part of his monologue he said something to the effect of

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[SPEAKER_01]: I realized that you all watching may not even know who I am, because a lot of us didn't really know who he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that it wasn't he was not a name when he came out with this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just because I'm a nerd, like I knew who he was because I'd seen him on Soul Train.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd seen him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every, you know, when solid gold was on every couple of episodes, they have a comedian do something and Arsenio was that comedian for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd also like done the guest hosting thing from Joan Rivers and you know, wasn't coming to America.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I knew him as more of like a stand-up comedian than anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, a lot of people just didn't know who this guy was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have any people do you think looked at the television and squinted and was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Misha Taylor, Misha Taylor's got a late night show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was funny, really, new who Misha Taylor was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was on a designing women, which was a CBS show, which was, you know, they probably did 20 million every week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like, like, I just remember thinking like, Misha, this guy, this guy is a little, I mean, he worked last as he had to flat top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like he was like super swath guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but he was funny and he had famous friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're like, okay, maybe he is something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like you said, he really, really embraced the music stuff that we were listening to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So do you remember the very first episode?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember the very first episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably didn't watch it at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was 12.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I feel like if I started, when I started watching our scene, it might have been that summer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, which I think is when it when it did really launch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when it started to blow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so very first guest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brook shield or shield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the entire interview is a.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't even call it a gentleman's version, because I thought some of our seniors like jokes are a little leading, but it's essentially Brooke Shields you are a virgin, and everyone wants to have sex with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How is that YouTube with that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Brooke Shields mentions that Eddie Murphy had called her and asked, I forgot the story that she told,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because if you and Eddie were in the limo together, you know what Eddie's trying to do, and I was like, oh, my god.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man, there's a there's a I this joke would have gone way over my head at the time, but because like, because like you said, we're 12 years old, but he doesn't joke about why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: all the women like Michael Jordan and it has everything to do with the fact that he sticks his tongue out all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like in the moment that I would have thought it was like, oh, there must be something funny about a man who sticks his tongue out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get the

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[SPEAKER_01]: very sexualized show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the jokes were sexualized, which that makes sense early 90s time for late 90s and this dynamic of like prim and proper brook shields, white lady.

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[SPEAKER_01]: white young actor, you know, whatever Brooke was model.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she was, she was, she was, what was Brooke she was talking about Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is, and she's just famous, like she was like a celebrity, just more than anything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Arsenio like comic and he's trying to get

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[SPEAKER_01]: heard a come out of her shell a little bit, but she's very professional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She knows, you know, how to stay brook shields that that was fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then Luther comes on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, she's, you know, if that Luther is going to Luther, it's fat Luther.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the conversation, well, after they talk about the music, here's conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't care if you're skinny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, or if you're bigger, we love you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was literally just about how fatty was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but that was, you know, the big thing with Luther at the time was that his weight just kept fluctuating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, um, and I think that was at a point where he had very publicly lost a lot of weight and then he's on TV now and he clearly gained it all back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, then I think, you know, it was just in our senior and Luther, I mean, our senior

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he's basically just kind of like tell his friend, look man, like we don't care like be happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do that in front of a national audience right and Luther doesn't Luther.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't know, I wouldn't say he didn't look comfortable because I'm guessing he knew that was gonna be some of the discussion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't like cracking up at any of these anything our senior was saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was very, he was like very reserved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did tell my, my stepson who was watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you know that song with Kendrick and SZA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, yes, he's like, yeah, Luther Vendor Ross.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Luther Vendor Ross.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that episode was was very interesting to watch back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess it made me think like what were some of your most memorable or senior moments?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Magic clearly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely stayed up to watch that episode because, you know, again, that news threw me for a complete loop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that sticks out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was an episode where Janet was in rehearsals for the Rhythm Nation tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, our senior went, you know, it was like this big production he went back backstage and out the building and pulled up that like Jan is rehearsal space and spoke to her in the rehearsal space I remember and you know he was in love with Jan it man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was the entire episode that Princeton which, you know, I think Princeton's first time on a talk show ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, our senior writes a lot about that in the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that was super important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was an episode where the new kids came out and they were, you know, someone had come out and been like, the new kids, I was the producer of the new kids and they lip sync.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the new kids were on tour, flew across the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, did the Arsenio shows sang live, and were like, okay, now you get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is us singing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a Bobby version of that, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember Arsenio was like, you know, people don't think Bobby's a good singer, like, Bobby can sing and you know, listen to his voice and listen to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, a lot of my, a lot of the moments I can think of from

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[SPEAKER_00]: playing of music on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember him bringing Donnie Wahlberg on and Donnie bringing out Marky Mark for the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember him having NWA on the show, which was insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just like a lot of musical moments, people that I would have never seen on a late night television show prior to that point on TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the two-pock one were two-pock mentioned about Janet Jackson wanting to take an HIV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, if we're going to have sex, I'll take a hundred AIDS tests, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember Martin Lawrence coming on and Bill Cosby had been critical of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Martin was like, you know, go watch Fat Albert, like, it's just Bill Cosby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, having friends with disabilities and stuff and using that as comedies, like, you know, Bill's not clean here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see Hulk Hogan going on to basically say he didn't take steroids, he lied to do his thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and in addition to being a racist, he's obviously also a liar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So much so that whole Coke, there's a whole Coke and documentary on Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he talks about the Arsenio thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Vince McMahon, the guy who was running WWE F at the time, was like, okay, you need to go clean, you need to tell the truth, you're going on our signal, tell the truth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that was the plan and then Hogan veered off of the plan and told what he said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as the, you know, they did the interview with Hogan before he passed and so then the docs on Netflix now and Hogan says, yeah, you know, I should have told the truth on our cineoblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblobloblob

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'll do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let me think of some of this to obviously the hip hop all stars the last let's go to the last episode, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was the last step.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the last the very last episode the hip hop all stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, I wonder yeah, I threw that video tape away a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, things that, a thing that make you say, hmmm, like that was always a fun one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, how many talk show hosts said, you know, been responsible for like a huge hit record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, something easy to say, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what do you think about the story that he tells in the book about the Pala Abdul video?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just going to pick her up and she was like, I need to put you in the video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you're the same size as this dude come on, like we need to put you in, you know, but do you believe that part of this story?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I mean, I don't believe it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it makes it, it makes it look like a pretty cool dude for the way though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, at that point, like, Arsenio's kind of not a huge star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul is not even a huge star yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, okay, this is my boyfriend, my girlfriend, my partner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one thing that that story did make me think of is where is the transition from Jackie Jackson to Arsenio Hall?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and like, how does that work because, you know, our seniors also obviously very close to the Jackson family, mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, just what is, what is that sequence looking like, well, I mean, Jackie Jackson essentially had to stop seeing Paula because, like, his wife.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, because wife was mad at them, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, random over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why he missed some of that victory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He missed almost all of the victory tour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like, you could keep seeing her on the side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to keep running you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, when you like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was probably like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Arsenio, you need to like, right, right, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave, come to me, my friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know, the story of Arsenio, I've always found it to be so interesting and I feel like, you know, if he ever comes out this way to do improv stuff, comedy stuff, I do want to see him because he was here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say two years ago and I missed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, he just looked at two or three day stay at the San Jose improv and I was like, I should have gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted to go and I don't remember why I had to miss it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if he comes back, I'm going to make it a point to go see him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had, they were selling tickets for like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like a sit down interview based, you know, related to the book, and Benny got canceled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't know why I got canceled, but I would have, I mean, I would have paid for that ticket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have, I wanted to be in that building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would love to see our senior do like a book thing or do like a, you know, watch him do stand up or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I hard to believe that that man is 70 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a chunky A vinyl back there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually somewhere in here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have the chunky ACD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I want to say somebody got it for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe even back in the E. Pinion stays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that somebody found it in like a used record store and sent it to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's wild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think there's anything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously Harlem Knights who's in Harlem Knights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the crying dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The crying gangster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, was he in any other movies after that that I can't remember?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did like after the show ended, like he took a little bit of time off and then he had a sitcom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where he was a sports reporter and given the box was his wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A show ran for like seven episodes and then he canceled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he was on that show martial law.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said that the show, on in the book, he writes that the show stopped because the, what does that guy say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Samo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Samo hung?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he got home sick or something and didn't want to be in the US or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just feel, and, you know, we mentioned this before, but his sitcom or his late night show had a rebirth, right post apprentice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember how many episodes it lasted, but it lasted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a full season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did it for a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what I remember is that he was getting like B level guests, like he wasn't getting those, those, he wasn't, yeah, yes, does he as he used to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, he got Prince and I think that was Princess last interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, so in retrospect, that was a really big get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe Paula was on, I mean, obviously, Paula I've do in 2015 is not Paula I've do in 1990.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's she still got some post-American idol figures.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I mean, he wasn't getting, uh, wasn't getting the big name guests.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I mentioned this to you before, but I remember Tiffany Hattish as the, like, the woman on the street thing for that show, that's the first time I had ever seen her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so would you recommend this book to, I'm for folks like us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an easy recommend, but maybe who don't, who aren't giant fans of our cineal, would you recommend it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would recommend it just because I'm a very know your history kind of person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, you know, I think we sort of take for granted now that this lane exists for us and, you know, you've got Jimmy Fallon and, you know, again, Jimmy

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[SPEAKER_00]: People on for late night TV like you used to see in like black and brown people on late night TV now But you know Arsenio was he wasn't one of the first he was the first he was the number one dude in the door and I don't know that he messes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean I think because he's so kind of reclusive and not really public facing he doesn't get the credit that he deserves for that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we're going to do another one of these episodes on a book that came out recently as well, uh, Brandy Memoir.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still have to dig into that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So won't be any time soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, are there any other memoirs that are coming out that you're aware of?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you read the Teddy Riley one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I read the Teddy Riley book and I didn't like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not like it at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I think just even without the book, like because of what we're doing for the podcast and, you know, Brandy, I think is certainly like a pretty important person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we're not going to do an album, then Yeah, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at least do the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the whole like Brandy Monica, Alia, kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just kind of cover that, you know, those artists in that era.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's some

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[SPEAKER_01]: boys to men, won, y'all stuff will be a man about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that that is it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like that was a public it was like a secret that was out in the public.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the time and you don't hear anybody really talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean and it's it's I mean it's not funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because it was around the same time that the R. Kelly Alia stuff was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason, folks gave Brandy in one year for one year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Brandy was a minor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, but that relationship was also, I don't want to say vetted, but Brandy's parents were aware that that was happening as it was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would love to know what was really going on

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[SPEAKER_00]: but to give so much emphasis to one and kind of let the other one just slide under the door a little bit is a little strange and retrospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a little interesting about how we view

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[SPEAKER_01]: public figures who we've watched grow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we knew who Brandy was around the time that her albums checked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was an artist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was on TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost like, oh yeah, we know Brandy Brandy has been around forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she's still a teenager, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like a young teenager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she was, I mean, when her first album can I choose 15?

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... there's a story that i just read in people and i guess uh... dana plato uh... there was an episode of uh... forgot forget the name of the show but it's like demons something or other and it was about and a plato who died of a very young age and she had and tide bridges was on it now with tide bridges you do have to take the great grain of salt yes

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[SPEAKER_01]: he said that when because day I guess day and as a year older than him and he said when he was 12 she I won't even describe it the way that he said it but she did something sexual to him and he had never done anything before so he didn't know really what was going on or I mean I'm sure he knew what was going on he didn't

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[SPEAKER_01]: say that he, she raped him or anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was like they're like 12 and 13 or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's saying that X happened, which made me think, oh, she's done stuff that I have an experience yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he then in the same story, people magazine covered it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch the actual TV show that that Dr. Drew narrated or talked

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dana was in his first three-sum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I read this store some, and five-sum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, what was going on in the 80s, man?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, some crazy shit, clearly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These kids, these dudes are young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and the thing is, I mean, child stars are so exploited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the amount of adults like you hear about it all the time, I like there was that whole Nickelodeon series like a year or two ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I watched them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like, you know, and you Michael Jackson's in the news like you think about all this stuff and it's like, There are so many like predatory adults in this industry, whether it's in the entertainment industry in any industry, I mean teachers do it all the time too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: take advantage of children.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if it's possible for there to be a

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[SPEAKER_00]: child entertainer who has not been exploited in, you know, some way shape or form it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's and it's said, because it's like he want these people to be successful and not, you know, be successful with all this baggage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I mean, all of these folks can go this long ass list, you can go down it and it's like they all have baggage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: whoo yeah that is uh it is it's hard to even think about or wrap your mind around and so you just kind of want to

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not close to the start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not something I have to deal with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That celebrity, and it almost dehumanizes people in a way to think about it that way, because it's like your brain can't realize any of that stuff as happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like we said, this can be our only episode this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next with another 50 for 50.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we may do this from time to time just to catch up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I do this, I probably record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's more days of the week that I record than I don't record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is like for me, I'm just like on all the time, but and you have a podcast as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm minimizing that, but our weekends are our weekends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're taking out a lot of our time on the weekend to prepare for this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like the idea of taking a couple of breaks here and there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of what this is, even though we did record, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All righty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for Mike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm WC when we see you piece out.