Huey Lewis & The News: Sports, Lawsuits & the Power of Love (1983) | 50 For 50

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike, I'm super excited for this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Episode of 50 for 50 because we're talking about Huey Lewis and the news.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if there are few artists whose catalogs, I know better than Huey Lewis and the news, but even I, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even I had to go and see what they have done since like 1991.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because do you know that they put out an album

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, call whether yeah, it's not bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's you know, it's it's nothing groundbreaking, but I know I just imagine they just had a bunch of stuff that they'd been working on and like it let's just put it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 1983 is the year that we're covering and that is when sports comes out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Though I imagine most people actually probably think of the year 1984 when they think of this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sports was it came out at the end of 83 maybe September.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it didn't really pick up until Like it became successful over time as opposed to like becoming successful off the jump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So You definitely people think of it more as like a 1984 record than a 1983 record In doing my research the other thing that I kind of realized is

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think people would also consider this maybe the prime or like the best year, but this is what this album is, it's actually the launching pad, because he, himself, after this album comes out,

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[SPEAKER_02]: gets three number one singles with the record or with the album for and a lot of it is just the momentum that he created and then he gets power of love which is probably the most familiar song that people when when when people think of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, just to get the timeline right, the power of love happened first like immediately after sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if it wasn't, excuse me, if it wasn't for sports, power of love wouldn't have happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, four comes after that and kind of builds on that momentum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're like 85, 86 time, but sports is actually the jump off rather than what people believe to be like, oh, this is when he was at the apex.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like his apex is actually a few years after sports was not, which I always find pretty interesting because when I think of this album, I think of like

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how many videos they made that were on MTV a lot but because they're all goofy and like comedic and stuff and they're very memorable and you know I think if people think of an album they think of this album when they think of Huey whereas for me I think of the album that comes later but this album is more famous because of the time frame like 1983

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I wonder how much of your, like your view on those two albums was just based on, you know, you were 7 in 1983, you were 10 in 1986, um, but 1984, and 1983 and 1984 are considered to have the best years for pop music ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously you've got thriller.

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[SPEAKER_00]: purple rain and born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen and Tina Turner in Lionel Richie and Cindy Lopper and Madonna and so on and so forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just this huge period where like MTV is broken out and all of these artists are using the power video for the first time and people were very

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[SPEAKER_00]: a gentleman by the name of Michael Angelo Mato's put out a couple of years ago, which is about the year 1984 in music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just so much stuff in those 12 months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we've done Lionel Richie in 1982.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this was just right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is 1983.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just one year later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lionel was our was Lionel our second episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think Lionel was our second

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, not much has changed from 1982 to 1983 as far as where we were in our lives.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I will tell you that my sports fandom kicks in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not the outer sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, my actual sports fandom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like when I think of the year 1983, I think of when I actually start remembering

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sports stuff because the 49ers this is the two years after their first Super Bowl and the year before their second Super Bowl But I very clearly remember them losing a game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the NFC title game in 83.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember

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[SPEAKER_02]: the giants.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really remember the warriors until the following year, but like this is like, you know, because you were mentioning like the difference in ages between 1983 and 1986, like at least from a sports perspective, this is where I remember things really jumping off for me as far as my fandom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for music, maybe not, but it's still very much

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know the first two albums, the first two he was in the news albums fairly well because they he had them on vinyl and I don't even remember if he had sports on vinyl but I remember those two albums very much so so yeah I'm that that's part of why my fandom with with Huey Lewis is as big as it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very interesting, I think on both points, my sports fandom, I don't think kicked in for another couple of years after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say it was 87 when I really became a sports fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do remember 84 in sports because in 1980 for Aussie, I moved from New York to Michigan, and that was also the Tigers won the World Series, which is really interesting because I moved

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Celtics won the NBA Championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to say, I don't think the Patriots won the Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Red Sox might have won the World Series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A 2007, the Red Sox won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they won the year before and then the Celtics won the NBA championship the year that I got there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I guess I moved to a secondary city.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of their sports teams would check hiship, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I remember like the 84 Tigers, because Kirk Gibson was on that team, they had Alan Tramel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a couple of like career dudes there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shut all them in and center field.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Lance Parrish behind the plate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember that team Darrell Evans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember that team fairly well because and I'll tell you why.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In 1984, the All-Star game is hosted in San Francisco and I got to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so you know, and here's another thing and we're again, tangent, but oh well, this is that's what we do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Chicago Cubs in 1984.

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[SPEAKER_02]: are really good baseball team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When I come home from school every day, I turn it to WGN.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the cubs who only played day games back then, by the time I get home, the games and like the seventh or the eighth inning, and I get to watch the end of it, every single game, you know, that they were playing at home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I know that cubs team almost as well as I know that giant's team, just because when I got home, I was just watching baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, my knowledge of baseball kind of peers out probably around 2010 somewhere around there, but 80s and 90s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was I was a pretty hard quarantine major league baseball, but I wouldn't ever remember like a club's team from 1984.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, so the reason why sports matters, obviously the name of this album is sports, but Huey lost in the news in the Bay Area, they are very much connected to the sports teams out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If the 49ers make the playoffs, Huey loose in the news sings the national anthem for their home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's just how it's always been.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as we'll get to a little bit in this episode,

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[SPEAKER_02]: San Francisco 49ers players say no round on to hate that song who songs there's a second one there's a second one So hit to be square obviously and then there's a second one on the small world album called walking with the kid They're chanting the chorus in the background on that song Yeah, yeah, I mean Huey so I

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like my first experience with Hughie Lewis in the news was the second album, a picture this, and, you know, do you believe in love was a pretty big hit, and, you know, Hughie Lewis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What constituted a good looking human was different in the 80s then it is in 2026 like I just saw Marty Supreme and like I'm looking at Timothy Shalini and I'm like Like he's a handsome person, but he's a kid like he looks like he's saving always like 30 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was looked like a like viral grown man

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and he was, you know, I always even going back further to the sports connection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think of him in like Jim Palmer, uh, kind of in this kind of looks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He very like swore the kind of, uh, manly looking dudes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got to see Jim Palmer's underwear a lot in magazines back in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he did those beefy, what they DVDs or whatever, you know, whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did, he did under was, and he was, this was not when dudes were wearing like boxes or

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[SPEAKER_02]: chest hair flow and out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just hanging out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, different time different time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the the idea this it's so funny you talked about kind of like what because he's I think part of

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[SPEAKER_02]: why he popped off on MTV was because of his look as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he looked like a eating man in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you could be like an actor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He could have seen him in movies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he actually had the personality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, this dude's a hard core musician, a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's the man with the harmonica.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I'm glad, but you those that that's why those videos were so fun though is because he was just dialed in playing everything up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He looked like he was supposed to be on television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was had madrace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, can we talk about that word for a second?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When I hear that word,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I swear people are talking about Ralph Tresvand and they're not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're talking about, you know, something else, the kids, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, Oh, you guys know, Ralph Tresvand?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're, they don't know Ralph Tresvand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you also also know why they call Ralph Tres.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because of Brazil, the rat from the muppets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is that why?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Teenage Ralph.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Looked a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Looked a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Looked a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a wrong man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that nickname works really well for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so let's talk about the year of 1983.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have some some dates here that I want to present to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it just really takes me back because we're going to mention this first band a couple of different times that it just mind boggling that they're mentioned twice in this thing, but February 2nd.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 1983.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Manudo Mania comes to New York as 3500 screaming girls crowd Kennedy airport to catch a glimpse of Puerto Rican boy band Manudo who are playing sixth sold out shows at the felt forum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Believe me when I tell you my dude back in those days, Manudo was like the Beatles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But those things I know Ricky Martin was I mean like Ricky Martin they were a couple of dudes that came out of there and they if they were all you know I mean back in those days you had to actually be able to carry a tune again to a boy band But yeah, man New York City.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean obviously you know New York City has a very large Latino population whoops Didn't mean to do that

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Minuto was huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Minuto was like Michael Jackson huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were you monkeys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just remember them on Silver Spoons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably my famous memory of Minuto was them on Silver Spoons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they were like, you know, they were in all the teen magazines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously Minuto was unique because the membership of Minuto kept changing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because they kicked you out once you turn 16.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, like right around this time, 8384 is when they start to make your records in English.

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[UNKNOWN]: Mm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, probably around the same time Ricky Martin and Robbie Rose joined the group and, uh, you know, they had a couple of, you know, sort of minor hits in English, but, you know, as far as like the, you know, Puerto Rican population, uh, the Hispanic population in the U.S. Minutal was like large, large, large.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was got a kick out of the name of the group, too, because

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just a pronunciation, like my family would pronounce it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Me, new though, because it's a soup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a Pesola soup, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the name of the group being a Pesola soup with tripe and pigs feet and stuff like that in it is hilarious to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet my grandmother is eating mandatob before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it sounds like some stuff that she learned how to make back in the day and who would sit and eat and everybody else would be like nah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like like my mom, who is not Mexican by the way, she's Japanese, but she learned how to make it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She would put, uh, pastole in it, but or, uh, harmony, I guess, harmony, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like traditional traditional, they don't put the harmony, so it's literally just the suit base and the pig's feet and the tribe, the inner linings of Calstumica or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, just Calstumica.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what to be named after tribe, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, February 13th, this is very memorable to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Marvin Gaye performs the Star Spangled Banner before the 1983 NBA All Star Game, which I believe was at the forum in LA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe so too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Best national anthem, I would say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: one of the best national anthem ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Jimmy Hendrix is ranks above it for me, but it was just so cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Marvin caught a lot of crap for that too, because, you know, he did it to basically the sexual healing arrangement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was also like, go look at that video again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My man, my man was on cloud 12.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On one of his albums, they had that as a track, from what I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of his greatest hit records, he put it on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My dad always told me that that was the best one ever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when Whitney's came out in 91, that's what they would compare it to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it better than Marvin's, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the apples and oranges.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What would he pre-recorded hers to, didn't she?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe yeah, I believe she did pre-record hers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: February 23rd, the 25th annual Grammys hosted by John Denver, Toto wins both album of the year and record of the year, while Willie Nelson's always on

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds very 1982.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: March or no, February 26th, Michael Jackson's thriller hits number one on the U.S. charts, the first of 37 non-consecretive weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would spend on the way to become in the biggest selling album of all time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of Mike and A3.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it, it,

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[SPEAKER_02]: even thinking back because we're going to have another there's going to be another Michael milestone coming up in 83

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we're not doing thriller, we did the Lionel Richie album, but it's only because we're going to do two Michael albums.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We did a Janet album, we're doing a Jackson's album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's almost like thriller and Michael are always with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we do this show, we're going to talk about thriller a lot without actually talking about thriller.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and then in March 2nd, compact discs go on sale in the United States.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They'd been released in Japan, the previous October.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: April 14, David Bowie releases Let's Dance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The first album since parting ways with RCA Records and his 15th studio album overall with its shift to mainstream dance rock, it would become Bowie's biggest commercial success at 10 million worldwide.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Great album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a citation needed on that one, though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Dr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sales.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a sales.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, here's the other Michael piece to this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, no, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm mistaken.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike, I think I got to be his 1983.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was Michael's year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: May 16th, the Motown 25 special airs on NBC celebrating a quarter-century of Motown records, Michael and Villes, his moonwalk move during the Billy

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you have a story about how you watch to this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe you remember that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's sort of two parts to this story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One is that the Motown 25 special started at eight o'clock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My bedtime was nine o'clock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm seven years old at just six years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not even seven yet at this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we had just gotten a VCR for the first time,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how the hell of UCR works, but my family is like, go to bed, it's how many's supposed to go to bed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll tape it for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can watch it after school tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, like, how am I supposed to go to bed when I can hear the TV?

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the other room and all of these like Diana Ross and Stevie Wonder and all these other people a performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my aunt actually snuck me out of bed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me watch it live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the next day I lied and said I hadn't watched it before and my grandma was like, we already know you watched it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can watch it again anyway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and how can I imagine your family who was watching it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's probably some ooze in us coming from them as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: or just sing along to songs or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so how would you even be able to resist?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Resist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I remember he's not in Una, it's, it's, did he get a nose job?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that is how I found out what a nose job was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Watching Michael Jackson on Motown 25.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, here's our second Manudo fact here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: June 18th and 19th, they make their second visit to New York.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The band plays four shows at Madison Square Garden in all 80,000 tickets sell out within three days of going on sale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got me getting ready to go, I'm gonna do a post some minuto out Apple music when I get off this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What would be their main, the track that is the most familiar?

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the U.S., I mean, like a cannonball maybe, or if you're not here, they had a couple of songs in English that were super popular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm looking at the Minuto Essentials on Apple music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold me, I remember that had a video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they had a couple, again, they didn't record an English for long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like two albums and they went back to like recording in Spanish, but, let me English joints.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were on the video stations, and on the TV radio stations in New York, they got played quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess if we run out of albums, get ready for Minuto 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got more than enough to not have to think about doing a minuto episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: July 29th Friday night videos is broadcast for the first time on NBC.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What are your memories of Friday night videos?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My memories are that I didn't have cables so Friday night videos is one of the ways that I watched videos It's weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go to bed at 9 o'clock on weekdays, but I could stay up because as late as I wanted on weekends So I was stepping to like one two three o'clock in the morning and just watch TV and you know back then

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching SNL even though no seven-year-old is going to get a single Saturday night live Joe and they would run soul-trained me runs at like one in the morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Friday night videos came when I believe at 1130 so it was you know a lot of late night TV at that time but I watched Friday night videos quite a bit and I think in the early 90s they came out with Saturday morning videos

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there's a little clean-up PG version of Friday night videos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For me, by the way, because I did have MTV, I always saw Friday night videos as like a, like, watered-down version of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, the rip off of MTV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, not, not that I think about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was always frowned upon for me to watch a lot of MTV, like not not that I was forbidden to watch MTV, but it was just like some of these videos are like really stupid, like, yeah, no, you know, you can watch it, but it's like, don't sit here and just watch MTV all day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then it will talk about this in a second, but I wouldn't really even though I had the channel, I wouldn't really watch it unless I was with like some older cousins who were really into it, because it's always like, oh, maybe, you know, maybe I shouldn't watch too much of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then what I realized is my dad would stay up or actually he wouldn't stay up what he would do is

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[SPEAKER_02]: going back to the VCR.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if this was like a scheduled pocket of timer, whatever, but he would record like six hours of MTV and VH1 on the VHS.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so like I remember going back and like looking for video cassettes to like record over something and then it's like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I read the Franklin video doing on this, you know, like what is this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it would just be like hours and hours and hours of vehicles and we did that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just my mom would do this just tape hours and hours of videos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess watching it night when there was nothing on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess like and or I would say like show them when like you had people over whatever but my money never had people over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who didn't have them TV or who didn't see the new X, Y and Z video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you think about it, it's kind of like recording songs off the radio in a sense, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like like like now you're.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You couldn't do, you couldn't really do the radio or the boom box like passively, like you kind of had to be like on it like, oh, I want to record this song and you hear the beginning and you hit record, really like, and it's only 90 minutes of tape and 45, all right, so you couldn't just let the whole thing go to catch it you wanted on a VHS tape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: August 20th, Rolling Stone signed a new $28 million contract with CBS records, the largest recording contract in history up to this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Rolling Stones were the biggest rock band in the world, probably at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that a CBS probably thought that they would get a lot of money off of them, but then I think the, I don't think the albums that they put out did incredibly well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, rolling stones were already kind of like becoming much more of a touring band.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're like, you're going to pay us for these albums.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just going to make all of our more money and money on to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here's now, here's the memorable story for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: December 2nd, Michael Jackson's 14-minute music video for Thriller is premiered on MTV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That do you have a story of when you would have seen this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw it in a shopping mall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My aunt took me to, in Brooklyn, where I grew up, there's a local mall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still there called Kings Plaza

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[SPEAKER_00]: we would go to King's Plaza Dam there every weekend because one of my arms had to buy some clothes or whatever it was and my art was in some clothing store just like trying stuff on and they basically just parked me in front of the TV and I watched the entire thriller video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was, um, I may have mentioned this before, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: As I'm a cousin's house and he's like, hey, we're going to go to my friend's house and I was like, for what he's like, don't worry about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jump on the top of my handlebars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to ride my dirt bike.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to jump off curbs and scare the living daylights out of you while we do the right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we get to somebody's place.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We go to like the top floor of the apartment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, this is a special event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I literally have no idea what we're here for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then thriller comes on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And back then, they would actually schedule it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be on the schedule.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, people could, because there was a whole presentation of like, you know, the video's 14 minutes long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like half of a half an hour segment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and you knew when it was coming on so that you could prepare and you could set your VCR and you could sit in front of the TVA and you could watch thriller.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a cultural event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't can you imagine like a video being that kind of cultural event today, you know, you took like a 50 minute horror movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you

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[SPEAKER_02]: They would not, you know, they wouldn't really show the long version of the bad video that often from what I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the bad video premiered on CBS, the day the album came out or the day before the album came out might have been, they had a special on CBS, like Michael Jackson's back, blah, blah, blah, blah, and now we're going to premiere the bad video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't watch it that night, but I came home from school the next day and my downstairs neighbors let me watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I only remember seeing the short version of that video for the longest time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, we're at the whole lake.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You ain't bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You ain't nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, well, I remember Wesley being in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, that was cool to see Wesley's life, didn't it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, December 25th, Marvin Gaye gives his father as a Christmas present in unlicensed Smith and Wesson, 38 special caliber pistols.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that Gaye could protect himself from intruders.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A few months later, he would use it to shoot his son.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I still do not understand this story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, how, why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what seems like happened and I'm trying to be very careful with the words I use here is that Marvin's dad was unstable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just kind of mentally unstable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It had been for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marvin Jr., the singer Marvin bought his dad the gun because they were living in like Crenshaw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's not like they're in like gay to community or anything, they're like in the hood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what ended up happening on April 1, 1984 was actually deliberate on Marvin Jr's part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I want to die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to kill myself, so I'm going to piss my dad off

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like, like, okay, now I'm not saying, I'm not, I'm not passing judgment, this, this is so long ago, but yeah, like who cared about this man?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like who is in this man's life to, I mean, if he had advice or guidance or protection or

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, any sort of emotional or physical protection.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's the basis that I don't that I don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what we said about Mike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's what we say about Kanye.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's what Mike, Mike, Mike, his some of his demise was people getting rich off of Mike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's not going to be a story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Marvin Gaye was on a lot of drugs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, basically, it was just, I mean, you know, was basically doing crack at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that, you know, the drug use made him very paranoid, made him delusional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I basically think the people he was rolling with were doing crack or coke just like he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe the people that weren't were just like, okay, this dude is our meal ticket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can't tell him not then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they just kind of let him, you know, take himself out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is, you know, it wasn't just like concentrated period of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Marvin Gaye had, you know, allegedly been having issues with like, his mental health and drugs for a decade prior to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just kind of, you know, when sexual healing brought him back, he just kind of like went full, full bore into like doing the bad stuff again, and it, you know, ultimately cost him his life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll have more on this when we do our Marvin Gaye episode here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My dear, which you are sourced by the way in Wikipedia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I really?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it pot matters?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that probably pot matters?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're sourced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm sourced in another album that we're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm sourced for a continuum as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't wait to get to May or in Nio those those those those two years were very very memorable for me when we get to those albums by the way, again, we're going to fucking sidebar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Greatest hits album that came out yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, it's like some them out love songs or something right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do I need this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, because I've access.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I have all these, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To throw one new song on there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk more about Huey Loose and the news.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So a little bit of history won't dig too deep into the history.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Huey Lewis or as my dad, you call him Huey Louis.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's not his real name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is cover to Craig C. R. E. G. G. So he we Lewis and keyboardist Sean Hopper were in a band in the early 70s called Clover.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a jazz funk band.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they backed Elvis Costello on my aim is true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So after Clover kind of dies, Huey forms Huey Lewis and the American Express, that was the original name for the band.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a copyright notice right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the news, more generic, it flows a little better to Huey Lewis versus Huey Lewis and the American Express.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Though, I mean, can you imagine the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the videos about, you know, those American express videos don't leave home without it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, don't, don't leave home without your QLOS tape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the first album you we listen to the news 1980 did not really make much of a dent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went back and listened to it, there's no real standout on the album, but the second album is kind of like pre-sports in a sense, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: the scene it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this first album from 1980, I remember that that might be my favorite album art by the way of of a huge album album art.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it doesn't, you know, the second album is really where people start pay attention.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So picture this 1982 features the hit, do you believe in love?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Which I'll tease this when we get to our top five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't make my top five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but it was bubbling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was bubbling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was bubbling in the top five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just six or seven on the list for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like I like working for a living on that album as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Both both that song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Both those songs working for a living and do you believe in love could both be on sports like that's house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how pre sports they are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, obviously, 1983 is when sports comes out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, an interesting thing about sports is the album was was done in early 83, but the label Christmas was not

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[SPEAKER_02]: stable in of itself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so here we held the tape.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I'm not releasing this thing until you guys get your shit together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they got their shit together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's why it comes out in September versus earlier in that year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it was recorded in Berkeley, California, and San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they are the roots in the Bay Area, which I mentioned with the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm curious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did your pops only like Hughie Lewis because it was like a was it like a Bay Area thing or was he just jamming to him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that that's actually pretty interesting because I imagine that they're being played out here in the Bay more than anywhere else until they launch off with sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they could have very well been a Bay Area band.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's talking to Crystal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: my wife and I was about to say which crystal yeah yeah not not my though I did hang out with my former colleague crystal the other day we hadn't seen each other in like ten years probably oh um so she was like overhearing me listening to Huey Lewis and she's like oh is your next podcast on Huey Lewis and I was like yep and I was like yep I know this music you know pretty much better than anything else and she was like oh

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think my dad knew Huey Lou.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you waited until, you know, five years we got married to give me that information.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the story goes that, um, so her families from the East Coast, um, in, like, um, in, in, in, uh, in New York.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: they came out to the Bay Area in the early 70s, I think, early to mid 70s at their musicians, he's a musician.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they came out here, you know, just to their, you know, they were hippies themselves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I would imagine that would be the timeframe where they would have met.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because then, you know, he's not a Bay Area guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He still lives in New York today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You waited until right now to like we could have set it up like I could have you know I could have went to Hughie's house and and chopped it up with him like She's like chill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like they probably like they don't they don't know each other now, but they did add a point or at least that was the story that maybe her pops told her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A little fun fact to it there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know what I love.

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[SPEAKER_02]: some of this is Jimmy Jam podcast related but he's Jimmy Jam will always talk about the Lindrum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would be like, okay, is he talking about an actual drum or is he talking about a drum machine and it's a drum machine and I just did a Google search to see what it looks like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sting looks like 1984 in a nutshell, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what does a lynching look like?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The knobs and the, it looks like an old Atari video game system or like a click-o vision is kind of like the, what it looks, but obviously with more knobs and dials and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But this album sports, famously used the Lindrum to give that

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that ticking precision of the music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was what I found out in my trivia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look up and it makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, to me, the big difference between sports and the rest of their albums is that sports is danceable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a bunch of songs on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could actually like, you know, that have like a little bit of

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[SPEAKER_00]: function them and you can dance them and I think the drum machine is probably part of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a literal heartbeat on one of these songs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So album was was very much praise and you know I think this is really like kind of like that rock pop like the the the

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[SPEAKER_02]: to pop radio like the mix and like the the blending together was kind of like I think just perfection right like just a perfect time for this kind of album and and crossing over the way that did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, commercial performance, it did reach number one for one week on the billboard of two hundred and 1984.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I remember correctly, it was until that point, the album that had taken the longest to travel to number one in history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Whitney ended up beating it like the next year of the year after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Up until that point, I think it hit number one and like it's 44th week or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the singles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No single on this album went number one on billboard, but you had charting singles like Heart and Soul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want a new drug, which we're going to talk about in a second because there's some nice trivia with that song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The heart of rock and roll.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If this is it, is if this is it, the the video in the robot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man, I used to get such a kick out of that video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, if you use comedic chops and like his, like his sense of humor always, I was like, love this dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, is it better?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it stuck with you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But stuck with you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those were the two that I was trying to debate with which one was the Robo video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's a fun fact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to new drug the Harvard Rock and roll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this is it all peaked at number six.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And heart and soul was eight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have I have seven times platinum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always little, I'm always a little uncertain about these record sales numbers that I find.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm not even sure if I can do, do, do, do, do, do, do, let's take a look.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got Lewis, you got some systems and databases over there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And go on to the, uh, yep, was certified seven times platinum on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't say when, but yes, they did re-release it in 2013 remastered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I bought a green vinyl not too long ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it was, you sure mine is not green.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say, I bought it, that's not going to be in the 40th anniversary, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The 40th anniversary vinyl is when I bought mine, because I mean, I've had versions of that album before, but I wanted to get the fancy one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder if it was, I'm guessing, because in 2013, for the 30th anniversary is when they remastered it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's, that's yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So as we said, this album is actually a jump off for him because while this album sports did not have a number one single, he would have three in a matter of four years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, we are the world doesn't technically his, but he's on that song, but the power of love in 85, obviously from back to the future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I do have some trivia about how that song was created.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then stuck on you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: stuck with you, which was the lead single from four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Jacob's latter also from four, which was written by Bruce Hornsby, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then hip to be square would be number three, it didn't actually get to number one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So again, the jump off when it comes to like his notoriety,

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's talk about, let's do our Grammy Redux here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now there's nothing from as far as like the big awards, there's nothing from sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, you know what there is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1984 they were nominated for album of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, were they album of the year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've record of the year or record of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a hard of a role they were nominated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here are the nominees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Harder Rock and Roll, he'll use the news.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hard habit to break Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Girls just want to have fun, Cindy Lopper, dancing in the dark, Bruce Springstein.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, dancing in the dark, create the Carlton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alfonso said that he got the Carlton from that video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was I heard Gosh what did I I was listening to something and they mentioned dancing in the dark and then they were mentioning oh, I know what it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a rewatchables podcast about Ace Ventura which Courtney Cox was in and they talked about the Courtney Cox video of dancing the dark and I started till just like you know your brain goes and I was like envisioning that video and I was like wait a second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bruce Prince, did you do the Carlton dance in that video?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's doing a Carlton.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, and then what's love got to do with it, Tina Turner, those were the nominees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, Tina won.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tina won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the right song won of those five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, I, on the record, I do not like the heart of rock and roll that is probably one of my least favorite who he lose songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but, you know, that's a very 1984 list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're all, you know, they're all perfectly fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, T of those five, I feel like Tina deserved the one that award.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, if not, Tina would have given it to Cindy Lopper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So 1986 record of the year again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, born in the USA by Bruce Springsteen, the boys of summer, Don Henley, money for nothing, dire straits, power of love.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you lose the news and the winner, we are the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we are the world is probably the weakest song of that bunch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would probably give Huey that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm first of all, back to the future is one of my favorite movies of all time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just saw it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, how many so 95, so it would last year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, last year was a 40 year and it came back to the theaters, Crystal and I took the kids and I hadn't seen it, you know, I had to see in the movie a bunch of times, but going back to watching in the theaters just a cool experience and so we did, we did that and you know, he was in that movie as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, he is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's such a classic movie and a classic song, perfect match of song and movie two, which is hilarious because there was like no rhyme or reason for that song being in the movie, like, and then I'll talk about it in a second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, let's talk about it right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the power of love.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Steven Spielberg Roberts and mechus and Bob Gail.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they just wanted a Huey Lewis song because in the movie, Marty McFly is a Huey Lewis fan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're like, he's Huey Lewis fan, we want a Huey Lewis song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Huey was like, I don't know how to write a song for a movie for one, and I don't want to write a song called Back to the Future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't care what the song is called.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We just want to put it in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're just going to put it in the movie and we want it from you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you either was said, OK, I will just send you guys the next thing that I write, which is the powerhouse that because power of love.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, no biggie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just here here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I'm working on boom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which isn't even the best Huey Lewis movies song story of all time, because you got to talk about, I want a new drug and Ghostbusters, which we will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We will talk about that in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Huey, I guess Huey was listening to something that somebody had sent him, he goes on a jog, he's got his walk man, and as he's running, now this is this might be legend, who knows if this is true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But as he's like going for a jog, like, he's listening to this, these chords from a guitarist and he's like, oh, I have the lyrics to power of love in my brain as I'm as I'm jogging.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think he did a jazzy and just like just went off top?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the dog, oh, I don't think so, man, I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably lyrics written down somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, these these guys who are making this movie and they're begging Huey for the song and Huey finally gives them something and they're like, yeah, it's it's not upbeat enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We need to more upbeat and you believe the dammit you just said

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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, saxophonist, now you probably know who this person is, Johnny Colas, C-O-L-L-A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the guy who plays dissax and he'll loosen the news.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so he is their saxophonist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so he actually fixed whatever the problem that Robert Zemeckas had by adding the three chord major key intro that people, that's like the memorable part of the song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: made Jamaica's happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what's funny is is that Huey didn't think that the song necessarily fit the movie or like what the story was because you know that there are love

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[SPEAKER_02]: stories in that movie from the parents with the whole idea is the parent we need to get the parents back together and Marty has a has a girlfriend but like the theme of the movie isn't like a love story it's like that's not the key element of the movie so he was like I don't this fit necessarily but then he did actually go back

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[SPEAKER_02]: and make a back-to-the-future-ish song, which is the end credits for back-to-future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, back-to-time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm glad he didn't write a song called my mom is trying to get with me here or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or, you know, there is a scene in that movie where, you know, Biff is, you know, doing some stuff against the ladies will there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's probably the scene that does not age the best in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got us correct.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he does have a cameo in this movie as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said the only way he would do it is if he was disguised and uncredited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even in disguise, who didn't know that this was going to be those in the news?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in disguise, he lives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, that's like, that's like, you know, you'd always hear these stories about Michael Jackson going out and wearing disguises.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the second, you either hear his voice or see his nose, you know who it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've seen, you know, I've been in the same building as Michael Jackson before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know the story or why, but he showed up in full like out, like I don't, he was wearing something over himself at like a UFC event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't like the late, maybe the mid 2000s, like not that long before he passed away, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just love seeing everybody be each other up right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just so wild and it's in Vegas, but like I was also at one where Dwayne Johnson was there and there's like a famous meme where you see Dwayne Johnson just like clapping for one of the fights and and like I was at that show too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, like Michael was just like in this random garb and like when I saw like, you know, because I'm not sitting in in Michael seats, but I'm kind of like far away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like zoom my camera in and I'm like, who is that dude who like isn't like a blanket over his whole body?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then somebody had later said that they think that that was Michael again, not proven that it's possible legend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the story as I heard it, but I like to believe it was true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like to believe that me and Mike were hanging out and watching the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: entirely possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously the he's he is the Huey plays the judge in the battle of the band's audition where Marty's band is playing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is he playing the power of love or is he playing power of love?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Huey says thanks fellas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just afraid you're too darn loud.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Little little little little fun line there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and so this was their first number one, the songs released before the movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the movie actually gets a little bit of, uh, of marketing from this song because it's like, oh, wow, new Huey Louis song attached to this movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Michael J.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fox is in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How much more 1985 can you get for a movie?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Much more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, Robert to meck has said the song success.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh he credits a song's success with building like a pre-awareness for the film and then the song was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Original Song which loses to Lionel Richie Lionel Richie say you say me here he is again to see how this works man yep so this song he we did not make

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, he said that he signed a flat rate deal for the songs used in the film and soundtrack and it didn't it became like he made less money than he would have off of his own albums and the song wasn't even allowed to be on one of his albums until it was on four as a bonus track on some of the versions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like not being able to like find this song like how could I you know I guess maybe it was available like a vinyl single or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it probably would have I mean maybe it was on the back of the future soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah who's buying that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's one of those things we're like the record company wants you to spend the price of an album on essentially one or two

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want a new drug.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Hughie Lewis, sued Ray Parker Jr. Over the Ghostbusters theme, claimed it was a rip off of the I want a new drug baseline, and then they settled out of court.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_02]: This lawsuit is so interesting to me, because there are so many songs, pre I want a new drug, that sound like I want a new drug.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is drug?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and one of them, uh, there's a song called, uh, see, do I have it here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, pop music by M from 1979.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you know, I, that never even occurred to me, but you are correct.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's another song that I can't remember the name of that I've actually heard someone play and go like how did you He just not jack this song for I want a new drug.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't remember the names.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't find it for this research, but okay, so In a 2004 interview with premiere

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[SPEAKER_02]: the producers of the film admitted that they used for this is the Ghostbusters, by the way, they used I want a new drug as a temporary background track during editing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Huey declined to write the Ghostbusters song, and then they gave

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[SPEAKER_02]: they, whatever, Huey, so they gave, I want a new drug to Ray Parker Jr. as a reference for what they wanted for Ghostbusters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so like, I don't, I mean, Ray has talked about this a lot because Ray actually gets some payback on this when he goes on behind the music and blabs when he's not supposed to blab.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, we signed an NDA dog.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what is, like, what has Ray admitted or what has he said about the creation of this song?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't think he said much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's trying to like slick talk it, you know, what it sounds like happened is exactly what you said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they were using Huey's music as like a reference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They reached out to him to license to song who he was like, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they went to Ray and they were like, make a song that sounds like this song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ray made this song didn't take too many steps to make this song sound much different because you can pretty much play Ghostbusters and I want to new drug on top of one another like their identical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was lawyers caught it and we're like, hey, you owe us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, he would make the mistake of running his mouth when he signed an NDA and, you know, I mean, he's like statute of limitations, whoops, nope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, sorry, bro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I mean, you can't listen to Ghostbusters and not be like, okay, you are very clearly ripping off this record that just came out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, supposedly, Huey got rumored 5 million from this lawsuit or from the settlement.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then, as we said, in 2011, I'm going to shift back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder how much, I want to fade to give back more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Could you, could you give me that word?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it did, that's, that's dependent on the judge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So behind the music, 2001, during that show or that interview for that show, he we said, the offensive part was not so much that Ray Parker Jr. had ripped this song off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted our wave and they wanted to buy it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ray Parker Jr. immediately sued you for breaching their confidentiality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Parker claimed the comments caused him emotional distress and violated the original contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as a result, he says that he got a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's all that he said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't, as far as I could tell, he hasn't really put a price on it, but he said he got a lot for that breach by Huey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder what behind the music is like, we'll give you $50 for this interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it costs them like, and it's about costing them $5 million.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so the no skips ranking for sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, sports is not a long album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just nine songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is nine songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm giving it like a seven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think a seven is strong.

01:00:57.168 --> 01:01:05.083
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I actually like four and small world better than sports and I've listened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've listened to both of those albums more than sports and some of this is exactly what you said, which is by the time 86 is around like I'm working the

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[SPEAKER_02]: the vinyl player and doing whatever I want with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I'm listening to those at that time because when the fork comes out, it's a pretty giant album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I actually like both of those albums better and I would say they're both more listenable or re-listenable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would probably say my no-skips ranking is higher for those albums, but it's also because I know them so well, so much more than I know sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll talk a little bit more about the songs that I still go back to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it kind of is like, and music is great with this, movies as well, where you can listen to

01:02:02.926 --> 01:02:05.253
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can like feel like a kid again, right?

01:02:05.373 --> 01:02:11.791
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you kind of raise your mind back to where you were when you first started like I can envision in my parents or even live at this house anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I can envision what was my dad's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: room for his stereo system and you know he had the giant speakers and he had you know the crazy stereo system and the vinyl player and the CD player would come and then the two tape decks and that whole thing you know and it was fancy fancy for back then I don't know if it'd be fancy for now but like I can go back in that room and there was a point in that room

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[SPEAKER_02]: put the albums on and just chill out and listen to music and let out in that room listen to music and then you know, and then we did get a TV in that room and that's where I would set up my one of my video game systems before I was able to actually get a TV in my room and then put the video games in my bedroom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I would just play video games and play records at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how I would spend you know, a couple hours every day after school or on the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd listen to so much music that way while playing video games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same in, I mean, I did not have a, I didn't have a console until I was growing out of a house, but the room that our stereo was in was not the same room that the TV was in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I would just, you know, we had our record player, had a gigantic stack of records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had, you know, a dual disc, not a dual disc, a dual cassette.

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[SPEAKER_00]: thing, and I would just sit or lay there after school for an entire evening and just listen to music, like just sit and listen to albums and not do it, maybe read and not do much else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy in 2026 to think that I spent so much time just doing that without the distractions that we have now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'd probably fall asleep now if I did that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if I didn't have a phone, my phone, if I didn't have a book, if I didn't have like a, you know, playing video games or whatever, and you just listen to music in a room, and you're kind of just peaceful, I think I would fall asleep, this is what getting old is ladies well, well, you know, what, what would happen though is what, what is that movie with Leo de Caprio, where they're all up in their dreams inception.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What what would happen is as I would be listening to this music and I would fall asleep and the music would be in my dream, you know, that thing of my dream.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're done with sports here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, in listening to all of those albums again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what we can tell the story to kind of end it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So sports comes out and four comes out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was getting a little bit of flack from critics because he is leaning into that like pop rock sound and they're like, yeah, you know, this stuff could be a little bit more musical, you're, you're the harmonic a dude like and you're kind of leaning into this radio sound.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then they go back and they do small world and that was like an answer record to the critics kind of right like way more musical like they're doing like barbershop quartets stuff on that album and I I really love that out by the way Small world is a good record, but it doesn't sell nearly as well as sports or four and it kind of sets him back a little bit because they wouldn't put out a new album for three years and by then

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[SPEAKER_02]: the the sales are gone like I mean I don't know what I don't know what that album sold that I think hard at play went gold yeah so then you get hard at play in 91 they don't put out another album until 10 years later right there was there was a a cover's album that they did and then a

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then plan B comes out in 2001.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Solesville comes out another cover is out when I think 2000.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it covers, um, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: what what they went for specific genre to in that album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Soulsville?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to assume without looking that it's probably like stacks covers.

01:07:05.740 --> 01:07:10.126
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was thinking of stacks and then weather in 2020.

01:07:11.568 --> 01:07:14.172
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know to go from

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[SPEAKER_02]: like 86 is the apex because four is like he's very famous dude at this point small world little bit of like a fall off and then by 91 like they're kind of out of it like in the bay area they're still big but they're not essentially on MTV anymore like the 90s kind of passes them by and you know that's that's the story so I wonder if

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[SPEAKER_02]: how fickle everything is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I wonder if he thinks that small world was a mistake.

01:07:48.556 --> 01:07:52.521
[SPEAKER_02]: He could have done that album at any point in his career, right?

01:07:52.561 --> 01:07:59.950
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that more musicality, a little bit more for the critics, like a little bit more of like a show me, like we can really do this.

01:08:00.611 --> 01:08:07.480
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you put out what would have been the sequel to four, maybe he extends that run a little bit longer.

01:08:07.932 --> 01:08:15.933
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, I don't know, Hughie Lewis does not strike me as a kind of person who is just going to be like, I need to make a hit.

01:08:16.234 --> 01:08:17.016
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to make a hit.

01:08:17.216 --> 01:08:17.998
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to make a hit.

01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:23.292
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was like, I had my time and then when my time was over, it was over and that's cool.

01:08:23.727 --> 01:08:26.855
[SPEAKER_00]: I that's the way I view him in my mind's eye.

01:08:26.895 --> 01:08:28.519
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's actually like that or not.

01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:30.604
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's got that inner ear thing.

01:08:30.644 --> 01:08:32.288
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm on right now.

01:08:33.331 --> 01:08:39.306
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to talk to talk to my man Dave Holmes who interviewed him fairly recently.

01:08:40.214 --> 01:08:45.922
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did he, uh, I like a podcast, either for Esquire or for a podcast or something like that.

01:08:46.142 --> 01:08:48.725
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it was right around the time we are the world.

01:08:48.946 --> 01:08:51.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Right around the time that we are the world dot came out.

01:08:51.049 --> 01:08:52.390
[SPEAKER_00]: What's what's he up to?

01:08:52.410 --> 01:08:52.851
[SPEAKER_00]: He's chill.

01:08:52.871 --> 01:08:53.953
[SPEAKER_00]: He's living on his ranch.

01:08:54.934 --> 01:08:57.017
[SPEAKER_00]: He's, I think, somewhere in Texas.

01:08:58.599 --> 01:09:00.141
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, or maybe it's in California.

01:09:00.161 --> 01:09:01.082
[SPEAKER_00]: California has ranches.

01:09:01.903 --> 01:09:04.367
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it's a ranch in the middle of nowhere.

01:09:04.387 --> 01:09:05.708
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's just kind of like chilling.

01:09:06.990 --> 01:09:07.771
[SPEAKER_02]: Good for him, man.

01:09:08.152 --> 01:09:08.432
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:09.712 --> 01:09:10.879
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, that's gonna wrap it up.

01:09:11.442 --> 01:09:16.412
[SPEAKER_02]: 1983, we'll be back, we'll be back next week.

01:09:16.774 --> 01:09:20.255
[SPEAKER_02]: So for Mike, I'm Dol G, see you when we see you, peace out.

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[UNKNOWN]: Later.