MC Hammer's Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em: Inside the First Diamond Selling Rap Album (1990) | 50 For 50

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to 50 for 50 and this podcast will probably be a little different than some of our other ones because so far the albums that we've discussed, we've very much enjoyed and they were kind of landmark albums for the artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one is also a landmark album for the artist, but I don't think we quite liked listening back to this as much as we got

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... you know that that week we could rename this album uh... please hammer don't hurt my ears please hammer don't hurt my pride please hammer don't hurt my love of rap music uh... this is a tough relic and man man i i'm curious to know who's experienced was more difficult yours or mine

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that I have better memories of Hammer as an artist, just because of where I live, you know, he's your Bay Area owned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a very positive person in the Bay Area as well, like everyone's gone through their own stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he also had his fallout from bankruptcy and all of those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in doing my research, he's kind of better for how he was remembered

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's a hard one, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we can go get more into it as we talk more about the album, but you know, what I will not take away from MC Hammer is the fact that, you know, he went back to his home and he employed a lot of people from the area, you know, constantly pushed the positive message was just, you know, I, I, I,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You hear conflicting reports about whether he was a good dude or not because there are also stories of like him getting distant him and his crew like rolling up and being a little shug nightish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, you know, I guess you're taking the good with the bad there, but uh, you know, I mean, he always presented a positive image to the public, um, there's just for me the matter of having actual rapping talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which which ain't really there and you know, I mean also like dude brought showmanship or or really like elevated the showmanship for hip hop and really brought like the whole James Brown review type stage production and dancing skills to to hip hop

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, his skill set was very much more as an entertainer on the dance floor though I don't even really remember hearing anything about his live shows like from a crowd perspective like did he do any like crazy insane tours like I know he was touring, but yeah, I mean he, they, they

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when please hammer don't hurt him blew up, he went on tour and I believe vanilla ice was actually his opening act and that's how vanilla ice blew up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then the two legit tour was like hammer, jodacy, voice to men and TLC so like the biggest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Black music tour probably of its era and you know hammer had a massive stage reduction to a bunch of people like dancing on stage, a band, a DJ, a whole nine yards, back up singers like his whole crew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think hand from a showmanship perspective hammer definitely was a step above.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this, you know, like I said, this isn't going to be a glowing album review from us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why we wanted to do this show or do this specific episode for this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is because 1990 you could not escape empty hammer really just not not only being on the radio and I'm actually interested to hear like how much he was actually played for you versus for me but also in the public like he was the biggest

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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked back at the Grammys, like there are some really big artists, Mariah Carey won, it's kind of out at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he kind of dominates the music in this way, and I know some of it has to do with

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of like introducing hip-hop to some people, but it's not the hip-hop as it would evolve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a very different version, and he's called out for it in many places, but using a very familiar music to create new songs,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that that is also something that is is a big deal at this point people don't really know how to take it like they like it because they like the songs that he's using, but they're not sure is this okay is this creative it like what is it and so there's a discussion there as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think hammer, when hammer broke through hammer brought hip hop to a whole new audience, you know, it was, it was very middle America friendly and, you know, someone say he was shucking and driving a little bit, always smiling and dancing and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there was an element of hip hop at that time that was very conscious, very concerned with bringing the image of black folks as like intelligent, kind of counter culture, people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was an element of purism to hip hop and hammer just kind of like took all of that and like, you know, so, and it's interesting

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look back at the way that he was perceived around that time, I mean, there are some rappers, you know, public Chuck D is always been like a, you know, an MC Hammer, almost an MC Hammer Apologist, you know, an MC Hammer fan Big Daddy came like, so they were credible rappers who were like, yo, they're students to real deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, like nobody got dist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on records more than MC Hammer did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, LL went after him, run DMC went after him, tribe call, Quest went after him, and W away went after him, like, he just, because he represented something that was antithetical to what, like underground hip hop fans wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very he commercialized a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's made money off of the the art form through what was he with coke or Pepsi was with one of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had, I mean, I think he had a Coke deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that sounds bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he had a deal with Coca-Cola.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, one thing, he caught a lot of black boards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did KFC commercials.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think for some people seeing a black entertainer endorsing Kentucky fried chicken was kind of offensive in some ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just had, he had tons of sponsorships, tons of deals and again, this is really like four, five years before it became super popular for rappers

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, he was like, he was a trendsetter, but he, you know, he caught a lot of crap for it too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think a young Sean Combs was like, I could do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not even a young Sean Combs, because I don't know the Puffy and Hammer all that far apart in like lineage, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I don't think that there is a Puff Daddy, the way Puff Daddy blew up without MC Hammer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: from not only like a corporation type perspective, but also like think of all those bad boy songs, they basically follow that same empty hammer template, like take the instrumental of a hugely popular record and wrap sort of over it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, same thing track masters ended up doing what will smith.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing LL did to kind of spark his comeback with Mr. smith, like all of those folks kind of took from the hammer playbook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's dig into the year 1990, so we are both in high school at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, please hammer don't hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Came out at the end of my freshman year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what would I have been?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's interesting is this to me feels a little bit more like junior high school, like the whole vibe and the time frame of what I realize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's probably,

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[SPEAKER_00]: end of eighth grade entering freshman years when I started to really know who this dude was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to kind of tell you, like, the two things in my mind that are like the biggest things of this time frame, MC Hammer in Air Jordan, like the biggest things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember at a but, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's because he's from the Bay Area obviously Bay Area radio played him a ton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, and there was this thing where

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[SPEAKER_00]: You were like, you weren't cool unless you could time perfectly the stop hammer time part of the song like that was part of the thing, but we're like hoping in our air Jordans listening to MC hammer as you know young teenagers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of the thing that I remember the most.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really funny because obviously I'm on the other side of the country, New York is in much different ballgame and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you were on the block in Brooklyn and you were playing MC Hammer, you were going to get at minimum laugh that at worst you were going to get like punched in the face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, if you were wearing air Jordans and you weren't protected, you were going to get those air Jordans like stolen right off of your feet, like you were going to walk home in your socks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't sound like a good day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, not at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the year in music 1990, this is actually a little bit of a long list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go through it, but I do want to hear your thoughts on some of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So 1990 was a busy year, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And busy year in this kind of is where why I think a big part of his blow up, because as I will read,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's lots of determining what his censorship and what is not, what is okay versus what is not an MC Hammer himself would kind of use this to his advantage because I think of two live crew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you think of what Hammer was doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hammer was like, look, those guys, I don't do any of that stuff in my music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can play my music in your household with your grandma, with your parents, with your kids because I don't even curse in my records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that was a big thing of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, I don't say any curse words.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he, at the same time, for he would actually use it in a song where because we'll talk about this, you know, he's like, you said he's getting dist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's trying to answer these disses, but he's still trying to do so without using foul language in it, he plays that up and some of his songs as kind of a joke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I get that, but it's really interesting to note that at that time, a lot of hip-hop didn't have cursing in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You listen to Mama said knock you out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's one curse word on that whole album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pre-feehine rising, no cursing on that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tribes first album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any cursing on that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I mean, the explicit lyrics thing was really

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[SPEAKER_01]: like the folks who were like really hardcore, so you know, you had two live crew coming from like the very sexual, started profanity, and then you had iced tea and W.A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and a lot of the West Coast rappers really come in from like a hardcore, like violent, sort of explicitly or excite situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, I do think it's worth noting that at that time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: to make a rap album, and they're not be cursing on it, wasn't like a huge deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, those guys also didn't market it as, here's the rap music you could listen to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They still wasn't like hip hop for about a whole family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas again, hammer, again, it's like a whole image thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the familiarity of the music plus he was kind of, you know, more of like a dancer than a rapper, like all that stuff just made it a lot more palatable to older folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: January 8, 1990.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shenatal Connor releases nothing compares to you, originally written, composed and performed by Prince, which was a worldwide success becoming one of the best selling singles in 1990.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And top the charts in many countries, including the US and the UK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Shenate will pop back up in a little bit here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, January 21st, MTV's unplugged his broadcast for the first time on cable television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know who the first, uh, artist was to do an MTV unplugged?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to guess and say it was Paul McCartney.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So according to my research, the British band squeeze, uh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my homeboy Mike, you can't would have known that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think they might be able to remember reading that somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the 30 second annual Grammy Awards on February 21st in LA hosted by Gary Shandling, Bonnie rates nick of time wins out of the year, while Bet Midler's cover of Wind Beneath My Wings wins both record and song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Millie Vanilli, best new one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: March 25th, Motley Cruz Tommy Lee is arrested for allegedly exposing his buttocks during a performance in Augusta, Georgia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Georgia was popping people left and right around the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's I think the same place Bobby got arrested for humping the stage or whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then did the video pretend to Ronin was like, oh, this is, I guess, well, I got arrested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the idea of, you know, pulling your pants down for a half a second and I mean maybe he did it for much longer, but, you know, that seems so tame, but here we are, you know, 35 odd years later, 36 years later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now most of us have seen the other side of Tommy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's Tommy Lee's like arrest me now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't seen the most impressive side of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: April 5th, Michael Jackson is awarded Artist of the Decade by George H. W. Bush at the White House.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did George get to find a vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was there even a vote put to it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or he just like, we need to get Michael in the White House.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how can I say this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: At a certain point in Michael Jackson's career, if you want to him to show up somewhere, you have to give him an award.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when there were times when people made up awards, just to like get him in the building, I don't know that there has been an artist of the decade award given since.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giving by the president of the United States ever since, but it's good PR, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Jackson's still one of the biggest stars in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want his endorsement, you know, so by showing up, it's just kind of like, oh, hey, you know, he is the biggest star in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now your fans must love me, so it is that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Mike was like, oh, you gonna give me something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I'll show up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Donald Trump's like, carry underwood artists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, hey, good rock artist of the decade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good rock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when he, Eddie was on our scenario and then Michael came on, didn't they give him a word for that one, too?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think our answer to the ZECA, you know, when I think it was, if I remember correctly, MTV had done like this big thing for, you know, the 80s, which were ending, and basically Michael and Eddie traded awards, like I think Michael gave Eddie something for like funniest person

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[SPEAKER_01]: sort of like an endorsement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Mike shows up on our senior show, you know, our senior show is a big deal because yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Mike don't do talk shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, let's see April 7th, Neil Young, Elton John, Chris Christofferson, Willie Nelson, John Melon Camp, Guns and roses and Jackson Brown perform at Farm Aid 4 in Indiana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John

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[SPEAKER_00]: to AIDS patient Ryan Wright during his performance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: White dies the following day speaking of Michael, you know, Michael was one of those people who was really visible with Ryan Wright.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For those who don't know, Ryan Wright was this kid in Indiana, teenage kid who developed AIDS from a blood transfusion and was really one

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[SPEAKER_01]: people who's diagnosis in the way he was treated got like national news attention and he really was sort of like the face of AIDS uh... for a while in the public knee and he was i think seventeen when he passed away yeah this is like uh... would be what the year before magic to i think right yeah because magic uh... when public in ninety one end of ninety one yeah but before magic johnson ryan white was like the public face of it

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[SPEAKER_00]: May 29th in Canada, Toronto Police threatened to arrest Madonna if you performed her simulated masturbation scene during her performance of like a virgin on her blonde ambition tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Madonna refuses to change her show and the police decide not to press charges later to denying that they never had ever threatened to do so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A claim refuted by footage captured during the filming of Truth or Dare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: your own camera guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, seriously, you can't, uh, you know, I mean, now it's very common place to have literal proof that you said something to be like, I didn't really say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But back then, got so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they have this thing for work meetings now where they have like an AI thing that will actually take the notes for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you wanted to turn that AI notes thing on a little early, people might be saying some wild stuff on notes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So be careful people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Be careful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, June 10th members of two live crew are arrested in charge with obscenity after a performance in a Hollywood Florida nightclub.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Band in the USA, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two live crew was doing some wild stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uncle Luke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How did Uncle Luke go by the name of Luke Skywalker for so long?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, like when you're kind of riding under the Like under the mainstream a little bit like you can get away with stuff like that, but I'm sure as soon as George Lucas is people were like, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: To take a few years though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a couple years yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a couple years

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[SPEAKER_00]: June 12th, Mariah Carey releases her debut album, which would go on to top the Billboard 200 for 11 consecutive weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mariam in 36 years later, still a little stupid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we're going to do a Mariah episode at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: August 13th Curtis Mayfield is paralyzed from the neck down our accident from an outdoor concert in flat bush Brooklyn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was supposed to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, after stage lighting equipment collapses on top of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the weather was so bad that we actually turned around and went back home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to give you an idea of what the conditions were to cause that accident, like it was very much like a unique like Wind and Rainstorm, like everybody should have been inside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: August 24th, back to Shenade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She sparked a controversy when she refused to play a concert at Garden State Art Center, New Jersey, unless the venue refrain from its tradition of playing a recording of the American National Anthem before the performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was heavily criticized and her music was dropped from a number of radio stations as a result.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was crazy as hell, but she stood by her convictions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, the spectacinato kind of for how many years, how many years is this before Colin Kaepernick?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 at least 25.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think about this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Kaepernick was like 20, 14 or 2015?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's 25 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she paid for it too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Indeed, she did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: August 27th, guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughn has killed an helicopter crash following a concert at the Alpine Valley music theater in East Troy, Wisconsin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was only 35 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: October 20th, a Florida jury acquits two live crew of the obscenity charges stemming from their performance of their act known for its sexually explicit larynx.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First amendment, baby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: October 22nd, Pearl Jam, then named Mookie Blaylock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mookie Blaylock played their first show as a band at the Off-Ramp Club in Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mookie Blaylock, I wonder if they could have actually performed as a group named after a human who's kind of semi-famous from Louis Saskable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know that there's any law against that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they changed your name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if me and you decide to put together a group and call ourselves Cooper flag, we could do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cooper flag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'd name it after Cooper flag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got to name our snows we call us I was like Jalen's runs and there's something like that or maybe even we have to be a little bit less famous than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of someone who's less famous from from that perspective like call us that was Julius Randall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still pretty famous though trying to think of like someone who's just kind of just chilling

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, who's the who's the other way guy that played for the Lakers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's not Austin Reed Dalton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I talk to connect?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll get allton connect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: October 27th, Janet Jackson's black cat reaches number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was also the first song to simultaneously peek at top the Billboard 100 and main stream rock chart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for Janet man for Janet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: November 6th, Madonna releases just to find my love, the accompanying music videos banned by MTV amid international controversy over its sexual explicit content.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know who produced that song, Garrett?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me cry out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were they an item?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they were, or they weren't, I mean, it honestly wouldn't surprise me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Given who Madonna is, given who Lenny is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I would not be surprised, but technically he was still married to Lisa Bonet at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, so there's actually a story about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the co-writer of that song is a woman named Ingrid Shavez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Ingrid Shavez kind of came out of the print scam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But apparently, the crux of the lawsuit was that Lenny left Ingrid's name off of the writing credits because he didn't want Lisa to think that she that he was messing around on her with Ingrid Chavez, which apparently he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, heck you mess around on Lisa Bonay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what are we talking about Eric Benele's time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And who else?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jay-Z, all these people are germane to pre?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Termane to pre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why people?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we did our two-pocket episode and I don't even remember mentioned this, but there was a two-pocket Madonna moment for a short period of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a song that ended up on

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[SPEAKER_01]: bad time stories are one of those early nineties Madonna albums that pop was originally on yeah the songs called that rather be a lover uh... and they pulled him off in replaced him with Michelle and digger cello yeah but yeah it's supposed to be a Madonna and two pop record two pop man

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[SPEAKER_01]: you got around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to she, by the way, yes, she did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: November 27th, amid growing public skepticism towards the artistic integrity of the dance pop duo, Millie Vanilli, as well as created differences with front men, fab and rob, music producer, Frankie Ferion admits that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fabon Robb had been lip-sinking all their songs including Girl You Know It's True.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The tracks were composed and recorded by an ensemble of much older artists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're a Grammy for best new artists is avoided and the accounts vary as to whether it's revoked or Fabon Robb returned it themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, there's any more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it's funny because

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're teenagers at this time, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so things are not fully formed, but when you sound like this, and you're saying like this, obviously there is some kind of common sense disconnect there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that it took this long for folks to put two and two together, I think just kind of speaks to a much more innocent time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what's interesting is we are in a day and age where lots of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh U.K. actors portray American voices in film and they do show fantastically well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, who's uh, is is Daniel, uh, the guy from Get Out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he British?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel Kahlua?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel Kahlua?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like he's amazing and get out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could never tell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look at Idris Alba.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if he can play the character in your play, the wire, the string or bell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching a movie last night that had Simon Baker in it from the mentalist who was British and was sounded just like a regular Midwestern American, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like Arsenio was on those guys,

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[SPEAKER_01]: because our, like our senior had a rule on his show that you could not live sync.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think he booked me leave in Lily and they were like, yo, can we use tapes and our senior was like, no, and they backed out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he definitely knew what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get into, please hammer, don't hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, before we did, I mean, there's so much other great music that came out in 1990.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, give a shout out to BBD and Johnny Gil with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we talked about L.O.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a couple of weeks back, but public enemy, just so much great music that came out at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But nothing really had like the cultural impact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Please hammer, don't hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's why we chose it because it allows us to kind of talk about what's going on around this time that allows Hammer to just rule the airwaves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had the, I had an interesting conversation this is we're probably going back six or seven years now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was invited with my friend was invited and he brought me along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Oakland A's, their team president was a man by the name of Dave Kovall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is no longer their team president.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After he got them to Las Vegas, he bounced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Dave Kovall,

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[SPEAKER_00]: very interesting dude, also had something to do with the sounds I sharks, the aren't, I'm sorry, the sounds I earthquakes, the MLS team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we were invited to his suite and he's a team president, so there's like, you know, there's some cool people who got invited to the suite and I'm there and all of a sudden,

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is kind of what happens in these settings is, there's some older person who has no idea about why something had happened in the 1970s A's were a little bit of a topic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I was kind of interested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was wondering if Dave Caval, being the president, kind of knew the stories of the 70s A's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was kind of just probably being a little bit of a shit and just kind of feeling him out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a Stanford group of athletes and their parents who were there with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they started talking about the the A's and so and I don't remember exactly how the story came out, but Hammer asked Stanley Burrell was a bad boy back then and what the and so I knew this part of the story so I was just kind of adding my little two cents and trivia and stuff so when what would happen is the owner Charles Finley he was not local.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, he would actually use young Stanley Borrell as kind of the liaison to really know what's going on with the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was kind of his job, and a sense was like to always talk to the owner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's niche.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was just like, yeah, like, you know, tell me is there anything I need to be worried about what's going up, but I'm sure some of it was he's just like a young kid, so you can really get him to tell the truth about some things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would happen is, is these players as a way to make a little bit of extra money, you're given like a couple of tickets to the game, like, oh, yeah, you can give these out to your friends and family or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of these players were like, nah, we're going to sell these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they would get hammer to go into the parking lot to basically sell their tickets for which they got for free.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's how they were able to make a little bit of extra cash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they gave hammer a little bit of a piece of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in this timeframe, the reason

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets this name of Hammer is because they think the ball players think that he looks like Henry Aaron, Hank Aaron, and Hank Aaron's nickname was Hammer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they would call him like, oh, you look like Hank Aaron, your hammer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's how he gets the name, the rap name of Hammer is from this timeframe when he was a bad boy with the Oakland ace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so in in his early days and I guess he even started bust it supposedly with a little bit of help from some of the players as like a loan or an investment into bust it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, in 1986, feel my power is what let's get it started was called, and this was sold locally kind of, you know, the old story about, you know, out of the trunk of your car, Dylan Papes and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he sells like 50,000 of these things, just out of the trunk of his car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so capital records kind of feels that there might be a little bit of a buzz here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, hip hop is now bubbling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they see what run DMCs do it on the other side, and they're like, oh, maybe we can do the same thing in the bay, and they sign him to a deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they re-release feel the power as what we know as, let's get started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's get it started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually goes platinum or whatever it did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I first got into, you can't touch this, I remember my cousin go, oh, yeah, he had an album before that was way better than this called, let's get it started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, and then I remember, I think I still have the same copy that I would find at like a flea market like a couple of years later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've had this copy of let's get it started probably since like at least the mid 90s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the flea market or garage sales people are always selling vinyl before they really thought, yeah, before vinyl need to come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get started, comes out in it, you know, it's, I'm sure it's more of a local hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what I realized is because it's 86 when he, when he does it, a lot of his

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're like, uh, like, Rendium C's not really as hot as they once were, but it's because he's recording all of this stuff a few years prior, and then it grums now and you see the video and stuff where he's kind of disson-run DMC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that makes a lot more sense to me, because I was always wondering, like, is the west coast that far behind?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think I think some songs on that were recorded way before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, there is like on the song, let's get it started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking about Dougie fresh ll and dj run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, by I mean, that album didn't really catch on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: nationally until like the beginning of 89.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at that point, like, who gave a shit about Dougie Fresh?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we give a shit now, but Dougie Fresh, because he's out there and he's still entertaining and he's still kind of a pioneer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, back then it was kind of like music is moving so fast that the guy is particularly is moving so fast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Dougie Fresh and to a lesser extent run the MCR already like yesterday's news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's recording, please hammer don't hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: While he's touring for, let's get it started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's really interesting about this is because my question to you, even before we started recording this, it was just kind of we're just kind of shooting the stuff over the week, was how does he make this album with these very familiar

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[SPEAKER_00]: Samples of hit songs and that was like my first question like what's going on there and and I did find an answer I think for the most part your what you said was correct, but there is actual technical answers to how he was able to sample prints How he was able to sample Rick James so we'll get to that in a second, but the thing about this album is he essentially records Please hammered out hurt him on his tour bus

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[SPEAKER_00]: for $10,000, that's the cost of the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he uses a guy from the confunction, like, function pilot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Felt in pilot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, it's produced in mix by Felt in pilot and James Early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess the idea is like, Felt in,

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[SPEAKER_00]: could play most of the stuff that Hammer actually wanted and it's a little bit cheaper to get someone to play the song rather than to get the actual actual sample.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was kind of, you know, why the album did not cost that much, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some issues that would come out after because the Rick James thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure Rick is like, what the F man, like, where's my piece?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rick is like, hey, there's some money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is hammer doesn't just go, oh, my bad Rick and pay him what Rick wanted for the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, we'll do something even better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll add you as a co-writer on the song so that you actually get royalties from you can't touch this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's I after you posed that question, like I went back and looked at my copy of the album and there are a couple of songs on here, where the songwriting credit is just the people that wrote the original, so actually for on your face, which is an earth wind and fire song, the only songwriters credited are earth wind and fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: from earth when in fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I don't know how much of it was retroactive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the Rick James part was definitely retroactive, but I'm pretty sure there were some lawsuits and some settlements in, you know, hey, you know, you scratch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at a certain point, the album was making so much money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It made more sense for him, it just kind of write the minutes, you know, as songwriters, as opposed to like giving them money for the sample.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, some of the other ways that they cut the cost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So because he's essentially recording on his tour bus, he doesn't have to rent a studio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's also using the sure SM57 mics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is a stage mic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you go see any public speaking age, like if you go to the Grammys and you see

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[SPEAKER_00]: the mics they're using, they're like the sure SM57 because these are like the tried and true will never fail you mics that people just trust.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But people don't actually record music or record singing on these mics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one that I saw was diamond mics that are like $5 to $10,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's actually using a hundred dollar mic to record his vocals versus what you would

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[SPEAKER_00]: cost to rent, you know, the studio stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's another way that he went low budget on this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so now the prints thing because there's a very familiar print sample in Prey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was the one where I was like, I don't buy, you know, whatever the story is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to tell you because this is what the research says.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hammer just didn't snatch it and like cross-esfingers and hope that Princeton see, Princeton's everything, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He actually sought Prince's approval through a mix of his networking and his, he made sure that Prince understood what the song was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was going to be about faith, community, social positivity, and supposedly,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Prince gave him the thumbs up because he respected what the song was about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he liked that the song had substance and wasn't just a generic party track.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get that part if that part is true or false.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see I have not been able to find what it cost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine Prince just gives it to him for free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Prince did it for free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I you know, Prince isn't here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's no way to quantify that story at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering, I wonder if Arsenio was the plug.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Hannah was just like, Arsenio, you know Prince.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you just make this phone call real quick and be like, hey, can we do this thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, who knows what actually happened?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it doesn't really, I mean, look, that song is basically when Doves cry with rap lyrics on top of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no hiding this song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just plays the the most familiar bed of that music over and over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the the pinnacle of uncreative sampling, but somehow it worked and you know he didn't get the pants suit off of him and you know if you're seeing hammer pants those are big pants so you know it's going to be a big lawsuit, but you know they somehow they figured that out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it was before like kind of right before people started going real crazy about Samsung being like, give me my money, give me my money, give me my money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the critical reception of this album was not fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was big, though, it was bigger than life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was huge, but, you know, there was a lot of sell out and to pop an unoriginal and is he a cartoon character more than he, and he had a card number man and the pants and all of those things, like he, and again, we'll talk about this in a

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[SPEAKER_00]: He took this stuff to heart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get to steal bothersome to this day as a 60-some-on-year old man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, super, super duper popular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The album spent 21 weeks at number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, not consecutive weeks, that there were sometimes where it dropped off at number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was the first hip-hop album to be certified diamond.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think, okay, so breaking each of those two things down, prior to please hammered down hurt, I'm only two wrap albums had hit number one prior to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was licensed to ill by the Beastie boys and tone mocks for a stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, crud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw tone look, you know what I saw him in?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not in person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ace Ventura pet detective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What were we talking about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ace Ventura.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You talking about Ace Ventura on the last episode of the episode before that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was, I watched that movie and I was like, what does tone look doing in this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doing in this movie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have any reason to be him to be tone-look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine, and some of this was, interestingly, this was not hammer, but LL did this perfectly as you use

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[SPEAKER_00]: your pedestal as an artist to then get into other things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tom Locke's been in a couple of movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was an episode of living single that I just rewatched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like Hammer didn't really do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he did the Adams family song and the music with the characters, but he wasn't in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what did he ever try to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember him trying to do any acting or anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, you know, but, but yeah, so Hammer, that's, is that now rap albums, number one all the time, and that's been the case for the last 25 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But prior to MC Hammer, only two rap albums are hit number one before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, like, you consider selling 10 million copies of something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like today, when you hit like a certain streaming threshold, they know give you gold or platinum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is people spending $11, $12, you know, 10 million times on a piece of music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the only rap albums that have sold diamond to this point are the hammer album that beasty boys album a couple of M&M albums and then all eyes on me and life after death with a boat double albums so they can get out of twice right so they've really only sold like five million copies um so that's still when you consider like what a commercial force hip-hop is that there's less than 10 albums in that entire genre that have gone diamond yeah and hammer was the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's pretty amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've read something about the actual single you can't touch this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm doing research and sometimes, as I'm doing my research, I'm like, I want to make sure I run this one by Mike just to see what he knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was the last top 10 record to only be available on vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, so, but that's actually great trivia too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't touch this only reach number eight on the hot 100, but it was because it was released primarily as a 12-inch single to force fans to buy the 50 album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there was no cassette single, no CD single, you know, at that point, the market for vinyl was already pretty small, so they basically just released it on a format, so it could

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it would have been a number one record had they actually released a cassette single or a CD single, but that ended up making people buy the album, um, which is something that the record industry adopted throughout the 90s, uh, not releasing singles to force people to buy the album until file share and came in that shit backlash like a month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and, um, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it is an interesting factoid because you would think the idea is like this song is like crazy on on radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we should make it available there and make them buy the full thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, you know, if you were to guess what actual album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: ended up being at used music stores the most this has to be like in the top 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People, you know, people kind of caught the fever for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a cultural phenomenon and tons of people bought the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a year later, everybody was like, why do we own this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is way too long yeah and go to your record stores like that would be in a two dollar bin you're going to see copies of please hammer don't hurt it I mean do are two songs the like if you were like a music efficient auto and you're like I have to have you know as much music as possible like there's like maybe two songs from this album that you would actually have in your collection I mean

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I go into my Apple Music Library, I think you can't touch this might be the only song that I have still in the library.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I have a copy of, please, I haven't heard them on vinyl, which I got for free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't even pay for that, and I just kind of keep it around because it's funny to have almost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I go back and listen to it and actually listening to it for this podcast episode was the first time I told that album out in years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hammer, Hammer did not look at himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as like a Casanova like LL did, but he is trying to kind of do that slow song in both the first two albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is a little bit more like saccharine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like have you seen her is is a is a tough relic and it was probably a tough listen at the time, but that did get that that was a single from what I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was third single or the second single or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as the third single, help the children, you can't touch this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen her then pray, then here comes the hammer, was the order of singles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But speaking of that, I mean, also worth mentioning, like, please hammer, don't hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Head, three top 10 singles on the pop charts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there had been three rap songs hit the top 10 of the pop charts in total.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Prior to MC Hammer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It may be been like, again,

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[SPEAKER_01]: two tone low songs, young MC walked this way and you got a fight for your right to party.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the extent of every rap record that hit the top 10 prior to MC hammer and then hammered it three times off the same record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As an aside, and we love to go on on tangents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you mentioned tone low and young MC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it, why isn't it a bigger deal that these dudes are related and came out at the same time and had like giant success and then went away like so fast?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Related how I don't think they're like blood relatives or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think it related.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah What what the tone-look young MC story is that they both work with the dust brothers who were you know These producers out of California and young MC wrote the lyrics for wow thing in folky called Medina God it that's they they okay So he was the okay that makes sense because I guess I just did a quick search

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess this is like one of those legends so that I fell for, which is people did think that they were related, but it's just that they worked really closely together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: hip-hop, like commercial hip-hop, was very much like a one-hit wonder oriented thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the genre was moving so fast, I think when tone-locking young emcee released a second albums, like the art form had just passed them in a way, and people were listening, the music that had been uncommercial at the time had kind of moved to the forefront, and people didn't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's so funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we just we mentioned how quickly hip hop was moving at this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the the the single on the this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, bus to move was giant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was like a follow-up song where it sounded very similar to Bus to Move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you hear it, you're like, okay, like this game has passed this dude by.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember what that song was?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the way Love goes, which was the first single off his second album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the follow-up to Bus to Move was called Principal's Office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was kind of like parents just don't understand but set in a school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, young them see was kind of really good at those story wraps that were very non-threatening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, again, his shelf life was pretty short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My buddy, yeah, we were, we were friends in in junior high school and high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, so, of course, young MC bus move, everyone knows that because it's so singable and it's like, so, so memorable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very easy to remember those lyrics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, he starts, like this is a thing in high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you want to be part of what everyone else is like what's cool what people are into and so you know he's like I remember he comes to school one day and he's like have you guys heard the new young MC song and he starts rapping it and what he didn't realize is that we had moved on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and his mind, he was like, I'm going to hit them to game, and I want to show them that I know what I'm talking about, and everyone had moved on, and I always felt bad for that moment for him, because he like, I could tell he, he will rewind that tape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He never recovered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He memorized those lines, but you know what's funny is, he's a white guy, he's a very John Brown, and because he tried to fit in, they would call him Bobby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that because of Bobby's world there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because Bobby Brown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like a wannabe wannabe Bobby Brown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's a really good dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But is this very memorable to me?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because just on how quickly rap can kind of just go like in one day we're listening to, you know, you can't touch us in the next day we're listening to like Trib call Quest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like so different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're not that far apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're just like, okay, this is over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the new thing and it's just so fast, you know, the reality is at that time, you know, speaking is, you know, my 14 year old self in Brooklyn, you know, I'm listening to tribe call quest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm listening to public enemy, but I also, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a dub copy of Please Hammer don't hurt him one take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had that first vanilla ice record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had that first Marky Mark record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was listening to hard course stuff and also like had an eye on the pop stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, as the decades have rolled by,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the, you know, the tribe and public enemy in those kind of records have a little bit more like half to the minute they had held up, they have an age like milk, whereas, you know, the pop rapper records kind of like, ah, those are those are cute, but it's not stuff you listen to for like artistic sustenance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I know Mark, I know Mark Wahlberg as a youth was not a good dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's a good dude or not as a grown-ass man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't know, man, but the idea that this dude was Donnie Walberg's knucklehead little brother who probably could have been on the new kids on the block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then comes out as a, I kind of call him a fitness rapper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually, you know, it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that I think back, it's like, there was my dude from CNC music factory who was buff and kind of did like all the aerobic stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Marky Mark was like not long after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there was a whole wave of like fitness rappers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the dude on MTV, who was like really, really in shape?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was that guy's name?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Derek Nees?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's who Mark and Mark reminds me of a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Derek Nees from the real world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the real world, and the grind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he did his, yeah, and then he did his fitness stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like the idea that he becomes like this, you know, Donnie admitted to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on Facebook that he wrote Mark's Rimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh yeah, he done he wrote that whole album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His boat, I think both of Mark's albums done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like this funny hilarious funny story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, this is back when I had Facebook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have Facebook anymore because I got banned like two-life crew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, band in the USA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't, I didn't even do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the biggest

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish you would, Zuck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had, I, there's, um, I don't remember what song it was, but, you know, Donny Wahlberg in some of the mid, some of the later albums he would do, like little rap interludes in some of the songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I posted one of these lyrics on my as my Facebook status message in a kind of like shaking my head, Donny Wahlberg kind of way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was vanity searching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, oh, man, I thought that was a good rhyme.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he said the one that he thinks is not as good as the one from Mark's album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, so you're just admitting that you wrote Mark's rhymes, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In my Facebook status comment, I mean, he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was hilarious because I think I have screenshots of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the account either,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like so many people are just replying to this mention going, oh my gosh, when it's time for me to be replying to your status mentioned, do you know Johnny Walker, Google himself apparently, hey, it was a fun moment for me, I'm down with it, like he knew he maybe he knew he's like, yeah,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, an NKNKOTB doesn't have a whole lot of dude fans, so I'm just like, let me give this dude props, wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the epic then then Mark goes on to be like this giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: actor, and he's either like Oscar nominated actor, like, madness, not that curry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, Donnie has said he, he basically gave Mark a record deal to keep him from going to jail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That tracks because you read about the history of young Mark Wahlberg.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was trending in a not great direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's MC Hammer's like, are you sure this was you talking about my album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's do our Grammy Redux second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this would be the 91 Grammys record of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't touch this is nominated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other albums that are nominated, we'll see if Mike or Mike pride remembers other records nominated nothing compares to you Chanel Connor from a distance bet midler and going for back to back wins here bet Vision a love right carry and another day in paradise Phil Collins right Phil Collins won that award Jones did win and Man nothing compares to you is in all time vision of love is in all time and like it's too

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[SPEAKER_01]: stunning timeless records in the other three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, out of the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The nominees are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Please hammer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't hurt him, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wilson Phillips.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on for one more day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mariah Carey's Mariah Carey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But seriously, Phil Collins and back on the block Quincy Jones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Quincy won that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Quincy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, out of those albums, Mariah is the only one that I still actually listened to on a regular basis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So although Quincy's album has some joints on it, secret garden is, is, that's my record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this the Tevin Campbell album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or what we were introduced to Tevin?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's when we were introduced to Tevin Campbell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, I think this was, was this rap solo, hammer wins rap solo for 91.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here are the other nominees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All hail the queen, queen Latifa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get the job done, Big Daddy Kane, Ice Ice Baby, vanilla ice, and Moni in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which yet in the middle, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So at least the Graham people were progressive when it came to like nominating female rappers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Big Daddy Kane, like, you know, got a shout out Brooklyn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Latifus record was dope, you know, Moni's record was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, vanilla ice is has now gone like maga.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really want to like give vanilla ice any props.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but ice ice, baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No ice, you flatten them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I give that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I give that award to probably Latifus Kane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, Hammer was everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, please hammer to a herd I'm so more than those other four records put together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have two things to say about that, that not those nominations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one, recently watched, set it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cleo, Latifa is amazing in them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's so stunning in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, her character, cow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, she does how she has an actually great career as an actress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

01:00:28.004 --> 01:00:33.653
[SPEAKER_00]: That performance told us like, okay, get ready this woman is insane.

01:00:33.673 --> 01:00:45.912
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, another thing, another thing about like, how come this is not discussed more like Queen Lativa, one of the pioneering female hip hop artists and a great actress like,

01:00:45.892 --> 01:01:07.073
[SPEAKER_01]: Latifa was one of the first things, right, we talked about Lauren Hill and it's like Latifa can rap, she can act and not only can she actually can do comedy, she can do drama, she can do musicals, she can, you could put Latifa in a horror movie and it would do fine and then she can sing on top of that so she was one of the first.

01:01:07.053 --> 01:01:10.379
[SPEAKER_01]: people to come out of hip hop that was just like a multi threat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, and she started acting, I think, well, I was rewatching the living single podcast.

01:01:19.435 --> 01:01:21.619
[SPEAKER_01]: And on the very last episode, they brought a T for out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, she talks about how.

01:01:26.172 --> 01:01:30.318
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she never really considered acting, but then we'll got fresh prints.

01:01:31.120 --> 01:01:33.163
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, oh, this is possible.

01:01:33.203 --> 01:01:35.026
[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, if we'll can do this, I can do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess her and we'll have been on tour together a bunch of times, so they were tight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you remember, Queen Latifah was on a couple of episodes of Fresh Prince playing multiple characters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: all that to say shout out to Queen Latifa who is certainly one of the most like all around talented people to come from, you know, that era of hip-hop.

01:02:00.082 --> 01:02:05.855
[SPEAKER_00]: And just to kind of tie other episodes of this show together, she was also in juice.

01:02:06.536 --> 01:02:07.599
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, she wasn't juice.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the last the last one here is this is actually R and B song of the year I think I can remember with the neck I didn't grab the name of the category, but you can't touch this wins R and B song

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other nominees are I'll be good to you Ray Charles and Chuck Con, Janet Jackson, Jimmy Jamm and Terry Lewis for all right, baby face and Darrell Simmons for my my my with Johnny Gill and then Terry steel and David L L for here and now Luther Vandros talk about like a

01:02:46.514 --> 01:02:52.022
[SPEAKER_00]: like just an incredible nomination of R&B songs, and then you can touch the answers.

01:02:53.104 --> 01:02:58.092
[SPEAKER_01]: If, I mean, if I'm L.A. reading baby or baby face, and Darrell soon, it's like, what the hell?

01:02:58.492 --> 01:02:58.753
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my, my mind, like, that's, that is a, an old John, Johnny just released a new single.

01:03:05.243 --> 01:03:05.603
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.

01:03:06.505 --> 01:03:06.885
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it good?

01:03:06.965 --> 01:03:08.047
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all right.

01:03:08.428 --> 01:03:08.688
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:03:08.788 --> 01:03:09.349
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I saw Johnny, I saw Johnny can sing anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw his Instagram, so I got to check out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The funny thing about that actually is Rick James has his only Grammy for being sampled and credit is a songwriter for you can't touch this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do a Rick James album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure we will come back to this controversy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just so I just want to quickly go through the discography.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not ask Mike to do this.

01:03:47.436 --> 01:03:55.603
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and the reason is is because most of these artists that we were we're talking about, like Mike has us in the back of his head already.

01:03:55.643 --> 01:03:58.485
[SPEAKER_00]: Like all this stuff is just you know, knowledge that he has.

01:03:59.026 --> 01:04:02.809
[SPEAKER_00]: But for me, like I have to kind of be

01:04:03.076 --> 01:04:06.400
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I had all of these albums.

01:04:06.662 --> 01:04:07.568
[SPEAKER_00]: I had...

01:04:07.936 --> 01:04:15.544
[SPEAKER_00]: Every single hammer album except for the last one inside out, which I mentioned to Mike is actually not half bad.

01:04:15.684 --> 01:04:35.023
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, of course, it's dated because it's like 1995 or whenever that album came out, I don't remember about and it's by by then again, wrap changes and we're headed towards this different era and it's so it's super dated, but it is actually there's actually some thought put into it and a lot of it is about like,

01:04:36.269 --> 01:04:44.378
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's been distant like he's like, you know, I got to be okay with this and, you know, my heart's in the right place and and all of these kind of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:04:45.359 --> 01:04:48.142
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but going back through.

01:04:48.202 --> 01:04:52.347
[SPEAKER_00]: So first off, please hammer don't hurt him.

01:04:53.808 --> 01:05:02.918
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, there's like two or three songs that are memorable and the rest of it is just like what are we even wrapping about my dude.

01:05:04.940 --> 01:05:17.818
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, and it's like what I so what it made me actually realize is in this time frame even though I have please hammer don't hurt him on CD

01:05:18.963 --> 01:05:48.497
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm skipping through stuff like crazy and I don't even realize it right because there's a lot of stuff on that album that I did not remember at all there's some stuff that I kind of remembered but some that I do not now let's get it started is a much better album I remember almost every track on that album but please hammer don't hurt him is so bloated so then to legit the quit comes out and okay so at this point in my sports fandom

01:05:49.405 --> 01:06:05.541
[SPEAKER_00]: My 49ers are killing it, right, you know, the idea of where I'm focused on in, you know, in school and in sports like seeing Hammer do the two legit video and seeing athletes in the video was really, really dope.

01:06:05.721 --> 01:06:07.963
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like so excited for this album.

01:06:08.784 --> 01:06:15.531
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember buying the album and going through the album and going like

01:06:17.468 --> 01:06:21.852
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is, you have to buy an album to get one song, right?

01:06:22.012 --> 01:06:45.754
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is to the jitter quit, the so many songs in this album are just flat out terrible and I, and I imagine there was some pressure for him to hurry up and get some else out really quickly because he's riding this incredible fame, but to the jitter quit, it might actually be a worse album than

01:06:45.903 --> 01:06:46.745
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it surprise me?

01:06:47.907 --> 01:06:55.062
[SPEAKER_01]: So the one thing I remember about the two things I remember about the two things I remember about the two legit to quit video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One, Hammer was kind of like not even sideways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hammer was was high key Disney Michael Jackson.

01:07:02.697 --> 01:07:03.118
[SPEAKER_01]: And

01:07:04.094 --> 01:07:31.570
[SPEAKER_01]: It was set up because dangerous in two of you to quit came out about the same time came out with the weeks of each other and it was kind of like hammer saying hey, you know like I'm dancing I'm saying like I'm doing all this stuff like I'm a challenge you kind of and there was this whole thing with the video where James Brown is in the video and you know there's a glove involved in all this stuff so he was high key coming after Mike and Mike completely ignored it while he tried to like

01:07:32.242 --> 01:07:34.726
[SPEAKER_00]: do some challenge or something, right?

01:07:34.746 --> 01:07:36.668
[SPEAKER_00]: One paper view will have a dance off.

01:07:36.729 --> 01:07:36.869
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Mike is like, who is this guy?

01:07:40.834 --> 01:07:40.955
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:07:40.975 --> 01:07:44.119
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you're Michael Jackson, why do you care?

01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:53.293
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the only thing, and if you're hammer, of course you care, because if Mike pays attention to you, you get elevated into this new space, right?

01:07:53.313 --> 01:07:54.334
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're Mike,

01:07:55.377 --> 01:07:59.484
[SPEAKER_00]: you're you're you're not going in the in the direction you want.

01:07:59.504 --> 01:08:01.508
[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of coming back down a little bit.

01:08:02.089 --> 01:08:10.964
[SPEAKER_00]: So I will say I wouldn't say hip hop was necessarily Mike's favorite thing at that point.

01:08:10.984 --> 01:08:13.368
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a there was a possible audience.

01:08:13.388 --> 01:08:16.373
[SPEAKER_00]: But those people were going to be into him.

01:08:16.707 --> 01:08:29.651
[SPEAKER_00]: anyway because he was just so famous, but like there was a possibility to kind of be a little bit more real against or whatever you want to say for Mike, but he did like he was just in a different stratosphere.

01:08:29.991 --> 01:08:31.294
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a different different space.

01:08:32.215 --> 01:08:35.982
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I remember is that from please hammering on her to two legit to quit.

01:08:35.962 --> 01:08:53.515
[SPEAKER_01]: MC Hammer dropped the MC and he came just hammer and he tried to be like I'm not a rapper I'm an entertainer and I think that the hip-hop community sort of revolted even more because it kind of seemed like okay just to do up and now he's not a rapper anymore like what's going on there but

01:08:54.035 --> 01:09:18.945
[SPEAKER_01]: So the two legit's quick video, usually expensive video, there is a list of everybody who was in that video, and that list is Danny Glover, Henry Winkler, Freedom Williams, David Foster, and also Bud Bundy, Barry Sobel from 227, Ralph Trezvant, Mark and Donnie Walberg, Tony Danza, EZE, DJ Quick, Queen Latifa, Millivanilly,

01:09:18.925 --> 01:09:37.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Jose Conseco, Isaiah Thomas, Kirby Puckett, RIP, Jerry Rice, Ricky Henderson, RIP, Deons, Deons Sanders, Andre Ryzen, Wayne, Gratsky, Chris Mullen, Roger Clemens, Roger Craig, Ronnie Lot, LeNet, Woodard, the Dallas Cowboys, Cheerleaders, David Robinson, and former Falcons coach, Jerry Glandell.

01:09:38.373 --> 01:09:40.937
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like my other, all in that one video.

01:09:40.957 --> 01:09:47.987
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like my other warrior guys, Runtie MC, I feel like Hardaway and Richmond were in that video too, but I can't, I can't remember.

01:09:48.237 --> 01:09:54.604
[SPEAKER_01]: crazy, crazy to get this, that's like, you know, that list is so insane.

01:09:55.085 --> 01:10:06.418
[SPEAKER_00]: So I remember, again, because Hammer's a Bay Area, we were going to get, you know, whatever version of 2 legit to quit before it came out because people were so in it.

01:10:07.019 --> 01:10:14.127
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we got a bad version of that song because I remember my cousin who was very much into a

01:10:15.625 --> 01:10:16.867
[SPEAKER_00]: the first two hammer albums.

01:10:16.948 --> 01:10:19.593
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, what is the new hammer song?

01:10:19.693 --> 01:10:21.476
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it called do the jerk?

01:10:23.400 --> 01:10:25.283
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I don't think that's what it's called.

01:10:25.363 --> 01:10:27.007
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's called two legit.

01:10:27.027 --> 01:10:28.730
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, okay.

01:10:28.750 --> 01:10:29.591
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I remember that.

01:10:30.353 --> 01:10:33.519
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the Adam's family tie in to around that same time.

01:10:34.641 --> 01:10:38.308
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I don't even know if

01:10:38.440 --> 01:10:52.738
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like what people consider a quality hammer song, but I also remember my next door neighbors going like, yeah, I don't like any of this stuff except do not pass me by, right?

01:10:52.758 --> 01:10:54.360
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's the straight up gospel record.

01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:54.740
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:10:55.221 --> 01:10:56.082
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:10:56.102 --> 01:11:05.393
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've, I, I read listen to that song with Crystal and her takeaway was, why is hammer rolling his ours?

01:11:07.212 --> 01:11:10.696
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, you know what, I don't know, why is he rolling his arms?

01:11:11.097 --> 01:11:14.380
[SPEAKER_00]: Why, I mean, that's the question only hammer can answer.

01:11:14.741 --> 01:11:15.001
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:16.263 --> 01:11:16.563
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:11:16.583 --> 01:11:21.989
[SPEAKER_00]: So then after to legit to quit is he actually wait.

01:11:22.069 --> 01:11:26.514
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get it started is actually officially released in 88.

01:11:27.015 --> 01:11:35.565
[SPEAKER_00]: Please hammer it out hurt of 90 to legit to quit 91.

01:11:36.727 --> 01:11:41.874
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, as I said, hip-hop music passes so fast.

01:11:41.894 --> 01:11:46.820
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a little bit of an edge which people do not buy one ayoda.

01:11:47.921 --> 01:11:51.146
[SPEAKER_00]: He's wearing a beany and he's got no shirt off on the album cover.

01:11:51.486 --> 01:11:51.726
[SPEAKER_00]: Here.

01:11:53.188 --> 01:12:03.882
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he gives you more reason to not believe in this new image because he has a video for pumps and a bumps where he's in leopard speedos.

01:12:05.515 --> 01:12:07.900
[SPEAKER_00]: Dancing, just swingin' a hammer, everybody.

01:12:10.446 --> 01:12:10.726
[SPEAKER_00]: What?

01:12:12.209 --> 01:12:14.995
[SPEAKER_00]: That has never really made any sense to me.

01:12:15.075 --> 01:12:21.870
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're marketing, like a specific thing, you're marketing a change in image, and then you go to like.

01:12:22.070 --> 01:12:23.532
[SPEAKER_00]: whatever that video was.

01:12:23.552 --> 01:12:38.154
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think my dude was just trying to be controversial and knew that, you know, whatever he did, whether, you know, he was like stuff in his, his little thong or whatever it was that people were going to talk about it.

01:12:38.835 --> 01:12:45.365
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that video, I mean, that video kind of propelled the album that even do what it did.

01:12:47.248 --> 01:12:50.693
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think he was just trying to get people talking.

01:12:51.770 --> 01:13:02.472
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing about it, though, is if he was so worried about response, negative response.

01:13:03.633 --> 01:13:06.839
[SPEAKER_00]: He was just going to get it again with that video.

01:13:07.160 --> 01:13:13.111
[SPEAKER_00]: Like from the heads that he was, that we're going to give him that feedback that he did not like.

01:13:13.592 --> 01:13:13.812
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:13:14.213 --> 01:13:15.235
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, I don't know.

01:13:15.415 --> 01:13:17.359
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's two videos to that song.

01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:17.619
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:13:18.240 --> 01:13:19.603
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, there's one thing.

01:13:19.623 --> 01:13:22.909
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the leopard one, like you can not even really find it anymore.

01:13:22.989 --> 01:13:23.891
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't find it really.

01:13:24.111 --> 01:13:24.532
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:13:25.093 --> 01:13:27.177
[SPEAKER_00]: He got it erased from the internet.

01:13:27.157 --> 01:13:38.432
[SPEAKER_01]: It's somewhere in some corner of the internet, but I would imagine because of the content of it, it's a little bit hard to locate at this point.

01:13:39.374 --> 01:13:41.637
[SPEAKER_00]: So Funghe had her and her comes out.

01:13:42.118 --> 01:13:46.584
[SPEAKER_00]: There's actually a song on Funghe Head Hunter that is gonna be in my top five that I really, really like.

01:13:47.105 --> 01:13:48.907
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:13:49.288 --> 01:14:00.844
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, yeah, and then, he has this other album called Inside Out that I mentioned, but he also has this little swarray with death row records.

01:14:01.585 --> 01:14:02.987
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing really came out of that.

01:14:03.027 --> 01:14:05.230
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've heard anything.

01:14:05.210 --> 01:14:29.462
[SPEAKER_00]: that he recorded for them that did not come out, but he comes in at death row like is he's after Dr. Dre left like because because we talked about in the Tupac episode that we did for all eyes on me, like the time that Tupac signs with death row and then when he dies is not a very

01:14:29.442 --> 01:14:45.264
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Hammer crosses over in that space because I just remember, I don't remember fit was one of the magazines or not, but they're like, MC Hammer is going to be on death row and you see him like with Pock, yeah, and he has like always talked to well of Pock.

01:14:45.284 --> 01:14:54.977
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember if Pock has ever really said anything about him, but yeah, that was like a kind of out of left field thing to see him try and link up with Sugar Knight, yeah.

01:14:54.957 --> 01:14:55.478
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:14:55.498 --> 01:14:57.520
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was kind of going after the credibility.

01:14:58.401 --> 01:15:08.551
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, uh, there was a period in 96 where Hammer was signed a death row, but I think after, you know, after Pat got killed, Hammer negotiated his way off the label.

01:15:09.272 --> 01:15:11.054
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that was kind of that.

01:15:12.035 --> 01:15:12.235
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:15:12.535 --> 01:15:12.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:15:12.936 --> 01:15:17.040
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think I hit on everything I wanted to hit on.

01:15:17.080 --> 01:15:22.045
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything we missed about

01:15:22.261 --> 01:15:30.389
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was very difficult for me to actually get through the album.

01:15:30.549 --> 01:15:35.454
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so amateurish and kind of murdering us, man.

01:15:35.474 --> 01:15:36.596
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:37.216 --> 01:15:44.804
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I mean, again, just this album sold 10 million copies.

01:15:45.304 --> 01:15:46.806
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of a mind boggler.

01:15:47.487 --> 01:15:50.850
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's really hard to just like,

01:15:52.332 --> 01:16:19.825
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to be objective and not be super critical of this album because, you know, from a creative standpoint, it's not very good, but it did certainly move hip hop to a new level in like public consciousness and, you know, certainly provided a lane for other rappers to make more commercial music and get endorsements and all this stuff, but man, I don't know man, I, you know,

01:16:20.817 --> 01:16:26.764
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the most memorable dishes of Emcy Hammer was the gas face by third base.

01:16:27.665 --> 01:16:35.053
[SPEAKER_01]: And Hammer, like Hammer may be whatever as a person but Hammer's music still gets the gas face for me.

01:16:35.073 --> 01:16:42.101
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have one more, one more tidbit because it's kind of related to almost current period.

01:16:42.182 --> 01:16:45.205
[SPEAKER_00]: But also the no skip trading, this is like a one or two.

01:16:47.260 --> 01:16:47.621
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:16:48.001 --> 01:16:50.125
[SPEAKER_00]: I might be nice and give it a two.

01:16:51.026 --> 01:17:13.302
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't touch this still brings a smile to my face just because I get taken back to this time frame of being junior high school high school, but after I listened to Prey, because I remember I was like, Prey, I remember preying a pretty big song and then when I listened to it and I heard the Prince sample immediately, I was like,

01:17:13.518 --> 01:17:17.423
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, one or two for no skips rating.

01:17:17.824 --> 01:17:18.524
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, last thing.

01:17:18.885 --> 01:17:20.787
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not know this until I did the research.

01:17:22.970 --> 01:17:24.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Quest love our guy.

01:17:25.794 --> 01:17:37.249
[SPEAKER_00]: When he put together that 50th anniversary hip-hop thing at the Grammys, he said the know that hurt his feelings the most was from Hammer.

01:17:37.950 --> 01:17:39.351
[SPEAKER_00]: Hammer did not want to do it.

01:17:39.832 --> 01:17:40.673
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:17:40.822 --> 01:17:54.477
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my question and this has kind of been the theme of this this thin skin thing of hammer being so frustrated by the feedback and criticism okay hammer said

01:17:55.402 --> 01:18:04.071
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, this was a street naming ceremony in 2023 for Tupac in Oakland, Hammer said I really don't have patience for the fakeness.

01:18:04.892 --> 01:18:06.293
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really 60 years old.

01:18:06.633 --> 01:18:08.635
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't get with the fakeness of it all.

01:18:09.356 --> 01:18:16.824
[SPEAKER_00]: I could do it with a young cat, but I can't come around old cats and still being pretending.

01:18:19.006 --> 01:18:20.087
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what does that even mean?

01:18:20.107 --> 01:18:24.852
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it means that the people who were going to be there.

01:18:25.625 --> 01:18:36.160
[SPEAKER_00]: who disked him back in the day, he was still feeling some kind of way and he didn't think that he could handle seeing those people and trying to pretend like it was water under the bridge.

01:18:36.321 --> 01:18:37.342
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what he's saying.

01:18:37.723 --> 01:18:39.305
[SPEAKER_00]: So do Hammer and LL still have beef?

01:18:41.148 --> 01:18:43.551
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know how LL deals with the beef though.

01:18:44.533 --> 01:18:48.939
[SPEAKER_00]: LL's like scoreboard, thus it doesn't really affect me.

01:18:48.959 --> 01:18:50.421
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I won all of those.

01:18:50.501 --> 01:18:51.723
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how he sees it.

01:18:52.684 --> 01:18:53.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:18:53.025 --> 01:18:55.108
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah,

01:18:56.101 --> 01:18:56.942
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's crazy.

01:18:57.122 --> 01:18:59.284
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what is Q-tip think of MC Hammer?

01:18:59.324 --> 01:19:05.589
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he probably, you know, of the man MC Hammer today because we know what he thought of the music back in 1991.

01:19:06.070 --> 01:19:06.290
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:19:06.570 --> 01:19:07.111
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.

01:19:07.131 --> 01:19:12.315
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and you know, tip was even tribe was even part of that thing if I remember correctly.

01:19:12.796 --> 01:19:16.359
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, you know, get over yourself, stop being but hurt.

01:19:16.379 --> 01:19:25.787
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and also just kind of like understand why people said the things that they did about you, like it wasn't, it wasn't baseless.

01:19:25.767 --> 01:19:26.108
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:19:26.969 --> 01:19:36.429
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but if you're, if you're really a 60 year old man, you'd have gotten over that stuff by now, could if he was on that show, he would have to do.

01:19:36.469 --> 01:19:37.311
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't touch this.

01:19:37.591 --> 01:19:38.894
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:19:38.914 --> 01:19:39.996
[SPEAKER_00]: And then.

01:19:40.499 --> 01:19:45.691
[SPEAKER_00]: would that have been celebrated with a lot of that other stuff that was being celebrated.

01:19:46.051 --> 01:19:47.996
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was part of the history, right?

01:19:48.196 --> 01:19:50.301
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't erase and see hammer out of history.

01:19:50.321 --> 01:19:56.314
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I don't think that that particular performance,

01:19:56.969 --> 01:20:01.159
[SPEAKER_01]: really had that many artists, if any, who were more on the pop side of things.

01:20:02.422 --> 01:20:06.932
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, Hammer could have been the representative from that, like, subgenre.

01:20:06.952 --> 01:20:10.841
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Questlove said, we really wanted him to have his flowers.

01:20:11.503 --> 01:20:13.307
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Hammer said,

01:20:15.008 --> 01:20:34.752
[SPEAKER_00]: his flowers are his, oh, actually, I don't know if Hammer actually said this, but the idea was that Hammer didn't need the validation from the Grammys or the people who mocked him and his flowers are, uh, he's a wealthy, influential businessman and tech investor.

01:20:34.892 --> 01:20:36.574
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how he sees himself these days.

01:20:37.115 --> 01:20:38.196
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Hammer.

01:20:39.017 --> 01:20:41.961
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, Questlove,

01:20:42.548 --> 01:20:56.283
[SPEAKER_00]: When this event was going on on Quest Love Supreme, he kept saying his closing act canceled on him at the last minute and he had to reshuffle like that day.

01:20:57.684 --> 01:21:04.231
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did some internet slew thing and there's reddit stuff and there's some, you know, of people who they think that they know who it is.

01:21:05.392 --> 01:21:10.918
[SPEAKER_00]: And it looks like it was Lil Wayne who canceled on Quest Love like the very last minute.

01:21:13.463 --> 01:21:14.764
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I didn't miss him.

01:21:15.485 --> 01:21:21.611
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't miss him either, but Questlove thought as thought so much about him to be kind of the show closer.

01:21:22.392 --> 01:21:22.512
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:21:22.532 --> 01:21:23.473
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he just bails.

01:21:27.217 --> 01:21:29.059
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't have any opinion on that.

01:21:29.179 --> 01:21:31.982
[SPEAKER_01]: As similarly to the way I don't have any opinion on little Wayne.

01:21:34.464 --> 01:21:39.049
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm like, there are no little Wayne records in my collection.

01:21:39.147 --> 01:21:43.373
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm totally fine with him not being a part of that group.

01:21:44.054 --> 01:21:45.076
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're going to end it here.

01:21:45.096 --> 01:21:46.879
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back with our top five.

01:21:47.600 --> 01:21:51.285
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure it was a little hard for Mike to create a top dude, you don't know.

01:21:51.326 --> 01:21:52.788
[SPEAKER_00]: It was rough.

01:21:53.108 --> 01:22:02.062
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't as hard for me, you know, that there was less songs to choose from for sure, but I was able to escape pretty easily with my top five.

01:22:02.082 --> 01:22:03.684
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll be back with the top five.

01:22:04.405 --> 01:22:07.090
[SPEAKER_00]: And for Mike, I'm double GC, what we see you piece.

01:22:07.350 --> 01:22:08.091
[SPEAKER_00]: Peace out.