Top Five: Boyz II Men

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are back to talk to boys to man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just did our episode of the cool check in on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't really a 50 for 50 album that we covered, but you know, it was one of those artists that we just, like, man, these guys are part of our lives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to find a way to talk about them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we tied it in to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't let them pass us by.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it tied it into you seeing them in concert in 20 concerts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that works perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you think they're going to do a second leg of that tour because I was like a three month thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't like a few months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That tour made a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I think it would be who've them to go back out on the road, but I, you know, I subscribe to a bunch of different, like, uh, constantly, listen, I see that voice tomato doing some shows on their own, uh, Bobby's doing some shows on his own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, you know, my just Bobby, he's got, uh, anniversary, something other thing that he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he says it's the 35th anniversary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be cruel, but Bobby needs a math tutor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because it's closer to the 40th anniversary, if don't be cruel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but whatever you want, Bobby, Bobby deserves to get whatever he wants in life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you got to get Bobby some grace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's lived through

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's do our top five of first we're going to do a rock with this stop with it because boys spend have a lot of songs that Yes, we do laid so many times to death to death.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we talked about this part of the boomerang soundtrack end of the road rock with it stop with it In some of my list, okay, so you're rocking with yes, I'll make love to you

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stop with it, stop, stop all the way with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, when they played that song at the concert, I was like, I want to get up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What part of the song is it that makes just make your stomach turn a little bit?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a lot of it for me is just that it was really overplayed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like super, super overplayed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is, you know, just it was the immediate follow-up to end of the road, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in just till the night was the follow-up to end of the road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because that was from the Jackson's here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but you know, we were talking in a, you know, discord about, yeah, about smooth by Santana and I'll make love to you is in that same bucket where it was just like, I can't take a piss without hearing this song somewhere and it's, you know, this was around the time that I had MTV for the first time and the video was always I just got got tired of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it reminds me of like, okay, now this is gonna be to get have to sit down for this, and now I'm already sitting good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Fresh Prince of Belair, you had Will and you had Carlton, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will helps Carlton gives him a little bit edge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carlton needs that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carlton gives Will a little bit of like sensibility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, they make a good pair is almost like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll make love to you, boys to remember, like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How Carlton can we be in a song and still make a hit?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how, how, like, we're not, yeah, it's not cool to talk about making love to your girl in 1994, or whatever that song came out, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of people were making love to their girls in 1994.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were just doing it much more graphically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Much more graphically, much more explicitly,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mark Marvin Gays thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get it on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have voice to men saying, I'll make love to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was almost like you're going to be like, we're going to be even more for him and proper than you think we are going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And no one wants to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't want to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll make love to you when silk is like, I want to get freaking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And do you think it was a death and so that was a baby face song, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that was a direct response to where that movement was going?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone should ask babyface.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Should ask because, yeah, I mean, I think they wanted to, you know, this was a time period when like every group had a song about sex, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had SWV and I want to go downtown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had silk and I want to get freaky with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had age town knocking the boots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not gonna tell me bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to sex you up and boys and men, I think because they were,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So beloved by middle America, they were like, we can't get all the way down like that, but we're going to sanitize these freaky songs from middle America and then they, you know, I'll make love to you came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this is kind of weird, but, you know, voice to men, and it's much cooler to, you know, be in your room and with your headphones and talk about knocking the books than about making love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you don't even know what that is at 18 really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have an idea most of some people have an idea it's it's like the the that song is like a rom com versus the other songs were a little bit like R onto your comedy Martin Lawrence Eddie Murphy kind of comedy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like yeah, on song is Bill Cosby well not the Bill Cosby that we now Cosby back in the day Versus Clif hox to bull yeah, yeah, it's cliff

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cliff and Claire is as I'll make love to you and Martin and Gina would be knocking the boot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that comparison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right enough of that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We turned that whole song into like a five-minute bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A whole segment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about song from mama from the soul food soundtrack?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stop with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's super corny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I love babyface, but babyface could get corny as hell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But shout out to boysman, they probably get in the mother's daychecks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, song for mama, dear mama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't singing about a crackfiend, but no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about one, three day?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on the fence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you would ask me this question like two years ago, I would have been like, stop with it completely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I've come back around on that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably cannot do that song in the same way anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine Mariah could, they do it in the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, but without Mariah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I saw them, yeah, it was a recording of her voice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The recording, I'm sure would work better than the actual Mariah film, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause like, how can you sing like that anymore?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's an interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I ride for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but it was overplayed so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even more than I, all those other songs that we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was everywhere, dude, everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the message is really cool though, at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good message for that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, now let's get to our top five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will go first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this song was kind of close to Rock with it or stop with it for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I do think it was the cooler follow-up to all make love to you, which is on Bended knee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a much better song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it did not get played out as much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It got played a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not quite as much as all make love to you or end of the road.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I invented me just like I was almost sentenced to putting it at number five, it's funny when I left that show that was the song that stuck in my head and like I remember the video because it had can feels in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, uh, like, like, vorees, like vorees, right, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so it was like, you know, all star cast of black actresses, um, you know, boys to men singing and crying and the rain, um, one year being like, over emotional, like, I don't know, like it hits all the good points of voice to men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but I just like it just came this close to making a list and it missed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's five for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So five for me is water runs dry on the same album also a baby face song, but you know acoustic more subdued I think the lyrics are really cool like you know it's it's a what a better written song than I'll make love to you And yeah, I still like that's that's also something I overplayed but not overplayed to the point where I never want to hear it again

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was a song where when I first heard that album, I was like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This song needs to be a single because I just thought it was so slick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the metaphor was so slick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the way that they sang that song was was really sick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that's my favorite song from that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I just thought like right when I heard it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I know, I really, really hope they release this song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This song is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is so this is my number three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what's your number four?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My number four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Going back to the beginning, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Motown, Philly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Motown, Philly, back again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a time and play song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes me think about the first time I heard that song or what I was doing when I heard that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like in the Biff 10 universe thing and like, oh my god, like Biff's going to have all these songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are the white guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How come they never came out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, there's a whole podcast that I heard it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did my homies or second group?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot what they re-named.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly an impact, that's what it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Dave Holmes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a good podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a good, I mean, it answered a question that we had been asking about for how many decades, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: For decades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for those who don't know the story, if you go back to watch, watch that Motown Filly video, there is, how many got, was that three or four white dudes in the group?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was four, four white dudes in the group, and there's like a little flash of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got, they would get written up a little bit in the magazines about, you know, who's coming out next?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't I don't remember ever hearing anything from them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may have released something, but they never never came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were in that one other, the East Coast family video all for one with like 30 other people in that video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what's her name is in that video?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, from community.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the actress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hear talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He vet Nicole Brown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think her name is she was on the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't she?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was on that box.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had boys, the men ABC, meaning another bad creation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: B. D. The East Coast family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this this other group, which I saw them written up as I think they may have been set an impact in the video, but I'd also see them called white guys like you ISE or something like that in in mags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, that was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was awesome when he when he did that podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yes, this is the answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been waiting for all this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what is number four for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: My number four is please don't go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First, first, voice to men song on the first voice to men album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, you know, that song ties back to high school so much for me, because there would be, you know, there'd be dudes in the hallway like singing and trying to harmonize and the song that they would try to harmonize, two would be pleased, don't go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And who was doing the the Mike part of that song?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if they had a base voice at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: weren't too many people in my high school there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although there was my man, Mike, who I'm still friends with now, had that very white voice when he was 11.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And still has that voice in, you know, with 50.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he could, I don't think he was a singer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise he could've filled out the harmony in that group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, please don't go is a great song written by the group themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know just just everything there's nothing spectacular but it's just a really good song just outside of my top five okay right on all right number three was water runs dry for me so we already talked about that one what is your number three my number three is doing just fine it is the first song on evolution and I hate you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a handful of songs I can tie to what I feel like was really like my first real breakup or my first real complicated relationship because we started going out we didn't break up right away actually probably broke up like seven or eight times over a period of years and

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was doing just fine and butterfly by Mariah and how do I live without you by Lee and rhymes from Con Air and candy by Ella new edition and like those four songs was like my first breakup soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and doing just fine is just like, it's again, one of those songs where one

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, people can relate to breakups and, you know, you see the, you see the other person like, you don't mean anything to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing okay without you, but you're really like hurting inside and that's what that song is about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that one yay thing that you said, like, I think that's also on on Bend and Neewer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, yeah, as sure as my name is one yay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, um, yeah, that, that is my number one, actually, is it really, that is my number one voice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I didn't mean to steal your thunder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it's, it's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is probably why I like that album a lot more than you do is just because that song, I like so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay, my number two,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is all for the creative I think I just think is one of the more creative songwriting in their catalog, which is thank you in advance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That this song basically takes a story and goes backwards with it from

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[SPEAKER_00]: being married to going to the beginning of a relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like the structure and kind of the story that that song does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a very thoughtful and creative way to do a ballad in the year 2000 or whenever it came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know who I think co-wrote that song?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Montel Jordan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could totally see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to Montel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what is your number two?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I number two is end of the row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, it's one of those songs that got overplayed, but never really got overplayed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, uh, I don't know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I remember hearing it originally and being like, this sounds like an old-time like R&B record by like a newer group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounded like a whisper's record or an OJ's record or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But had like a temporary appeal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, to like tie it back to high school, I graduated high school in 93 and the road came out summer of 92.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So end of the road was kind of our unofficial senior year theme song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it just has a lot of, you know, a lot of special memories for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the end of the road for high school, rather than the end of the road for being in this real relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, Mike is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you were stepping out with that other dude, like, I knew about it, but I don't even care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how much I want to be back with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To be back with you, there's, um, in living color did a parody of that song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I recommend that everybody go on YouTube and look that up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Call them boys to whips.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe they saw that jackson movie where they were boxing Boxing the reason gotta take these dudes down a pig.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I wish I wish Mike

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[SPEAKER_00]: knew about it, but didn't care when he slammed Sean through the table though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seriously, man, you know, that's, I mean, the visual of that is just crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone needs to like animate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what is your number one song?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I already gave away my number one song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't say visions of a sunset by Sean Stockman, I'm going to get really my I'm just kidding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a nice song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sean and Nate both did like a little solo thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nate and that niche solo song was from Kazan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Kazan?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kazan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kazan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sean did Miss Holland's opus and Nate's song is on my work with Shaq.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My number one is four seasons of loneliness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which was the first single from evolution.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's jamming loose song is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a weird, like, just if you listen to everything that was on pop radio in 1997 and then here four seasons along with us, you're like, this is weird, yeah, but the lyrics are amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The vocal, like if you listen to vocal arrangements, if you have any interest in like the art of singing and singing and harmony and singing together, the vocal arrangement to that song is insane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It captures a mood perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think everything about that song is perfect and it should have been a bigger hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was number one for one week and then Elton John knocked them off the number one spot with, you know, because that came out around the same time for a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it passed away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was okay on the win, knocked it out and then it was number one for like the next five months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that kind of like, you know, stole Boisman's thunder a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, for season, I love that song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They shared it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: our song was about princess day and a two right exactly what are you talking about yeah yeah that that that Elton Johnson was it was insane insane all right so we I think we did our our boys some justice here by not having an actual album to cover in the 50 for 50

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[SPEAKER_00]: but we had to talk about them and that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am glad that we did and I just love, I love the lineage when you can have, I mean, because we've done not that new kids on the blocker necessarily the sons of new addition in the same way that voice to men is, but there's so much correlation and relationship between the creation and all that stuff with those groups and we've talked about all of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and realistically speaking, those are both groups that do not exist without new addition, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, 50 for 50 dot net.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Find all of our previous episodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we will we will be back next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Mike, I am double G, see you when we see you piece piece.