LL Cool J: The FORCE, Q-Tip, and the His Rap Renaissance (2024) | 50 For 50

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[SPEAKER_03]: This episode is about somebody's music who we have essentially grown up with and have as a adults.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Continue to grow with this person.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This person is L.O.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cooljade.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about his latest album because it's quite possible.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to come out with more music, y'all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're, I think we're 15 albums in here, or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Force, which came out in 2024.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that is the timeframe in which we are going to kind of reflect on and get back to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, 2024 was not that long, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a little over a year ago as we record this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So most of the, you know, we've bounced around many different years, a lot of our younger years and we've gone into our 30s, but this is the first time we've done something this recent, 2024.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What does that mean to you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it wasn't that long ago, so it's really hard to think of 2024 in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, the worst thing about 2020 for was the election, obviously, and that I think is probably my lasting memory, but yeah, I mean, it's hard to think of 15 months ago, right, as the past, it just wasn't all that long ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's pretty interesting is Donald Trump's first four years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: the single piece of art or content or whatever I think about when it comes to that time frame is the last tribe album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is the thing, I go back and I want to listen to what that time frame meant to me or what was going, I just go listen to that album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Interestingly,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's not as blatant maybe as the tribe album as far as the frustration of what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's some stuff in this album where you're like, oh, I didn't know that LL thought that about this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, the the through line, it's possible that the through line is just cute tip being that he

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, damn, you know, this dude does not have to bring up politics in any way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't have to bring out injustice in any way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This man lives a great life, but he still has thoughts, and he can utilize his platform to get those thoughts across as a mid 50s year old guy who's basically been at the front of

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[SPEAKER_03]: what we know as hip-hop today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that was a refreshing thing about this album coming out in 2024.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely not as blatantly political as tribes album or, you know, the Kendrick album that came out around the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know that LL has never been a particularly political rapper, but, you know, it's good to hear him make mention of some of the things that were in the news at the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's made some political missteps, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know what, I didn't remember accidental racist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this, it was yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was going through the track listing of his album authentic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he has a song with Brad Paisley on that album that is not accidental racist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, wait, these dudes make two songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He, I don't, it'll be interesting to know, like if someone asked him at that moment in your career, leaning into country, what was like the reason other than still records, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to sell records, I think my dude was like, Nellie did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if Nellie can do it, I can do it, but Nellie is actually from, yeah, like a country-ish environment, uh, LLos from Queens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I don't that it felt like, um, it didn't feel natural.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he even says, um, they asked him about it on trying to think of what the show it may have been, uh, when he was on Quest Love Supreme, which he was on Quest Love Supreme,

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[SPEAKER_03]: when they did the 50th of the hip hop 50 tour together right and I think that tour may have been called the force if I'm remembering correct.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So LL and in Questlove are in communication and Questlove is like kind of like the director of like the whole concert I think

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[SPEAKER_03]: those questions partner on that show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, uh, fontay, yeah, fontay is

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[SPEAKER_03]: a giant hip hop head just that the big like he's a music head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Fonte is to me into like music that you would not expect, but he's just a music head.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Boste is like us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he asked LL about accidental racist.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, what were you like, what was the communication you were trying to, you know, get get to us?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so LL was like, well, this was what I was trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, but it's just like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: an MBA player who, like, misses a jump shot to lose the game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I just brick that thing so hard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so he is, you know, and when you are as successful as him, but also as reflective as him, you can kind of take those else because I'm sure he took them in real time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the internet was interneting for sure, even not kind of that early in the game, and I'm pretty sure there were people in his camp or who were fans of his who were just like, what is happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I know who Brad Paisley is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had some of his records before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm, you know, I wouldn't say that I'm a super fan, but I'm familiar with this work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the intention of the record was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what it was trying to put across was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, admirable if the execution was just super bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you were to describe LL Cool J in one singular word, what would that word be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a good word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be wow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's some easy ones, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't imagine like those are, those are easy ones, but I don't know if there's one particular thing that you kind of link to him when you thought about him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Camillion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just because here's a dude that started out in,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The run DMCR in the, not even in like the gold channel, like the pre gold chain era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's still a viable act in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's not even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like put rap aside how many musicians can say they can they could have sold out in arena in 1987 and 1988 and can still sell out in arena in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Have you been to an LL counter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did a package tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say 11 or 12 years ago and it was him public enemy ice cube in day-long salt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I should have gone to the force.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted those things where you kind of just like regret, you know, missing an opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And some of it is just because they had a lot of acts on that tour.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I knew I wasn't gonna, I was gonna get the greatest hits of certain people and not like this really like, you know, engaging thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But,

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[SPEAKER_03]: They did such a great job with it and bringing in the different flavors from wherever they were going to be and just the opportunity to see LL at that moment I regret I have seen him at stuff like hot summer nights kind of things where it's just a bunch of acts and they do like five songs and they get off the stage actually saw LL and BBD and trying to think of who else was there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Lots of people who I would not have paid to see, by the way, but you know, they just kind of It was a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: See, you know, another word you could have used to, you know, that thing that pops up is, uh, bloaticious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that is a classic verse, don't know what the hell Ella was talking about.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He said it was talking about nothing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, yeah, we just words it made up words that I would just do as jokes with the friend and just give you one record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, though, with the force, cute tips specifically said, no bullshit on this one, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I mean, you know, I am iron has to sharpen iron, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, as I was listening back to his catalog and trying to make like my own list of my favorite LLMs, I was like, man, LL is so has been so inconsistent over the entire course of his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like every album has like five joints on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like another five songs sound like man, what do you think it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and then here's here's where I kind of

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is where as I did all my research like you, I got through every album one through 10 all the way through and then up until the the late the force and I listened to the forced up and up and back, but post 10 I was just like skipping through stuff because I was like, okay, I there's no reason really to listen to all of these these albums and full and here's where I landed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: with LL.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I want, I'm interested in what you think about this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I even wrote it down because I wanted to say it the way that I was thinking at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he was doing so many things at once with the acting and just literally literally being a celebrity, he was often behind trends.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There are good songs on all of his albums, but for instance, on 20, on 2006's Todd Smith,

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[SPEAKER_03]: He leans into 50 cent pretty hard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: 50 cent was three years before that, like not 2006 as far as like the peak of 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, wait, 50 is on exit 13.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not on Todd Smith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Todd Smith is kind of the album where he did songs with like all the R&B people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a, um, yeah, you know, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think during that Todd Smith time, they did so he did some stuff with 50 and maybe just didn't come out, but he, it might you might be right you might I think you're probably right I might get be getting those two albums mixed up, but essentially the idea is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He like, he leans into these trends and at the moment, like he's got like a song that sounds like Missy Elliott ish, but Missy Elliott did it like two years ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so he's so behind in the trends and he's playing ketchup constantly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so being away for as long as he was with this album and having Q-tip who is, he's never gonna chase trends

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[SPEAKER_03]: create this layout for LL that he thinks will be really good for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like that's what made this new album really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But if you compare it to the others, it's just like there's like this template of like 1997 on every single album that he does.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like why of all the year, maybe because it's easy, is it because you're just trying to get some hooks in there and

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think those last couple of albums prior to the fourth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just, he was like, man, I just want hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I'm a chase whatever sound is on the radio right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, like, he did the whole album with Tim Bland, he did the whole album with the Neptune, he did, he was just kind of like chasing hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the previous album, the authentic album, bombed so hard, it was like, all right, L.L.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool J is not going to be at the forefront of pop culture anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when he came back with the force, it was like, yo, let me just make a, you know, let me make art.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me make a record that I feel is going to speak to hip hop and I'm not trying to get on the radio and I'm not trying to like do all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to get on MTV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously the landscape is changed quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it was like, let me make an album, like, let me make a really, really good LL cool J album and not an album to like have, you know, a number one record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, there are, there are, there are things in his music, like you said, where you can point out a song and you go, oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: like he really tried on that, like he wanted something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then there's others that are just filler.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And one thing that he said, I don't remember what interview.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It may have been the Shannon Sharpe Club Shei interview that I listened to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he said a lot of times what would influence him or as he's making an album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like there are just things he finds humorous or fun that he wants to put on wax and then there are other things that are a little bit more statement oriented like this latest album where he's in the mood for a statement he wants to do something that is a little bit more meaningful rather than kind of just fun stuff and

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the authentic album is kind of like that fun goofy LL that, you know, I like a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't love all of it because some of it is just a little too goofy and fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But so it seems like his inspiration to get back into recording things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It sort of varies and I'm very happy that this last album he wanted to actually make a statement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, okay, if he puts his mind to it, he can actually accomplish it and I do think, you know, from

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[SPEAKER_00]: the mid-90s, you know, for the next 20 years, he's like doing movies, he's doing TV, he's endorsing brands, he's creating brands, he's doing all this different stuff, and I mean, great for his name recognition and his brand and his bank account, but I think when you do all that stuff at some point in music is going to suffer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, so the acronym force stands for

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, acronyms in hip-hop always always love them, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, all of the things that knowledge reigns supreme.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you over nearly everyone?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, indeed, Keras one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What is your like some of your favorite hip-hop acronyms?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, some of my favorite hip-hop acronyms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, you're wearing the goat hat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, G-O-A-T, greatest of all time, you know, I love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, Kane, King is he had a nobody's equal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's BIG business to study game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, my favorite, Courtney one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Fat Joe's first album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jell is one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Joe's one's envy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Fat Joe's second album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe's one's no.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe's one's still in.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, go for the, go for the new name recognition, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had pop acronyms or hilarious to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they are, I love them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so 2024, these story and music, there are a few of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Drake versus Kendrick.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is a thing positively or negatively.

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[SPEAKER_03]: These guys were making songs and then like hours later they're uploaded into like Apple Music and Spotify.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know man that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean and we're talking about LL right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: LL pretty much started like means we have a beef section don't you

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're two years past that beef or actually we're kind of still in the beef I guess because drink is just so in everybody keeps losing the losses the lawsuits yeah I mean I'm just like Kendrick Kendrick is better than that and that's been like my kind of whole thing all all along is that he's kind of dumbing himself down to to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: make himself look good in the eyes of the average hip hop listener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like it feels like he's pandering a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, you know, I love Kendrick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I sort of felt like not like us was a elf for him, but it made him significantly bigger than he already was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he got to do it on the

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you think about what mainstream and pop music is, people probably weren't really paying attention to those lyrics all that close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, people don't let me get on a, on a, on a Gen Z France.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, lyrics don't mean anything now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know, sad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, another thing, it was Brat Summer with Charlie XCX, and then there was the Eris Tour with Taylor Swift.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was Taylor Swift has just been dominant these last several years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Calboy Carter came out where Beyonce decided to put out a country influence record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Which, what do you think about that record by the, because I don't think we're gonna do it on, we're obviously not gonna do it on this, but we will have a Beyonce conversation at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a very good record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also don't think it's a country record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would you classify it as?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pop record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Beyonce record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's songs on there that are like influenced by a country.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not a country record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mike said it not me, I mean, be on the internet come for me, I don't what does it be, what are Beyonce's fans called?

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[SPEAKER_03]: The B. R. B. Y'all are in a cult.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, uh, let's let's talk through some of this other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, February 4th, the 66 annual Grammys, Taylor Swift, one album of the Year with Midnight's.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Miley Cyrus won record of the year for Flowers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Flowers, you know, I love that song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a really good song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Billie Eilish one for what was I made for, and Victoria Monet, best new artist.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, this is an interesting one, because we're going to also do an usher episode.

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[SPEAKER_03]: On February 9th, Usher released his first solo studio album in nearly eight years and his first overall in six years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he also, if I remember correctly, he also was the half-time show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a half-time performer, super, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Usher, back out there, how old is Usher?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Usher is maybe two or three years younger than Usher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Usher was born in 78, if I remember correctly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Usher Raymond, my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_03]: March 15th, Justin Timberlake releases his first studio album in six years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Would you think about that album?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Better or worse than man of the woods.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Better than man of the woods.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he so man of the woods had maybe a little too much for out on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And with the last album just and kind of went back to just Tim Beland and Tim Beland's friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounded a bit more cohesive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he reunited with in sync for one song that's really nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like we said, March 22nd, the Drake Kendrick beef begins on wax.

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[SPEAKER_03]: March 29th, Beyonce releases Cowboy Carter on May 17th, the new kids on the block release still kids.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think about that album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not very.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So much so that when I reread this, I was like, wait, I did listen to that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How come I don't remember anything from it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, there's a reason for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a big year for like re-releases of people who we've kept up with for a good amount of our lives.

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[SPEAKER_03]: September 6, L.O.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cool J release is The Force, which is what we're going to talk about here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And September 15th,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tito Jackson passes away, right, a heart attack at only 70 years of age.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Chris Christopheerson dies at the age of 88.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know Chris Christopheerson's son, Jodi.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Who was, uh, is no longer, but was in the pro wrestling game in the Bay Area for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, he even got signed to, uh, WWE, but did not make it out of like the kind of the farm league.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I would see him at, um, you know, at a bunch of shows and then,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I met Chris at one of them because I was just there and I knew who I like I had to meet him and just say hi at least and this mad random that was like gosh, that was probably like I would say 10 years ago probably wow yeah and on September 7th

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sissy Houston.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this might actually be October 7th.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sissy Houston dies at the age of 91.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll obviously the mother of Whitney.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then in October as well, the Rock Royal Hall of Fame, featuring Dave Matthews, share Mary J. Blige, a tribe called Quest and Jimmy Buffett.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is one of the ones that I watched because of the trip.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watch it because it tried to marry, and I mean, I love Dave Matthews band too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was definitely a ceremony that I was fully invested in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then another biggie November third, Quincy Jones passes away, also at the age of 91, long full life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever see the Netflix documentary on him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the one that Rashida directed?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got, I, I, I had, I started it, but I never finished it as one that I want to go back to for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So speaking of Quest Love Supreme, allegedly there was an episode or maybe episodes with Quincy that are not allowed to be released.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, was it like talking about like you or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what he, I mean, you know, Quincy as he got older and his filter started to disappear more was going in on like his relationship with Michael and, you know, talking about how like Marvin Gaye and Richard Pryron, Marlon Brando were all having sex together and all this stuff and I think it was kind of like, you know, let's take the old man back to bed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we don't want to get sued either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would say I would because they always make jokes about lie is feet, so somebody had a foot fetish with her, so I thought maybe you could have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could have been.

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[UNKNOWN]: I could.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to go through some of the history of LL, now we could spend hours talking about seriously his his discography and his history.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's go through the beefs because he is famous for all of the people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So many of that he had beef within.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess the first one would be Cuomo D. This is back in the late 80s.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cuomo D felt that LL was biting him a little bit by the style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, the innocent old school type of B4 is just like, you sound like me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're kind of making records back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that that lasted for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That that beef was years upon years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's, it's kind of still there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like when you hear a little talk about it, like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he'll still make jokes about like he'll say like, yeah, yeah, we squash and we squash it, but then he'll make a joke about cool mod.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously like did you really squash it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So obviously the how you like me now album with the candle hat underneath the Jeep it getting run over by the Jeep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jack the Ripper, which was not available on album like forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was so if you bought like walking with a panther had a different tracklisting for the CD, the vinyl and the tape, like each of those three versions had a different tracklisting and I think Jack Ripper was on the tape, but not the CD or the LP.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I have the CD and the LP and it's not on there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not on there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then, uh,

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[SPEAKER_03]: then L.L.

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[SPEAKER_03]: on mom said not you out he kind of goes out a bunch of dudes on to to break a dawn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then it kind of stops at that point and, you know, Cuomo D's not in in the mainstream as much relevant anymore post 1990.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, you know, who wins, you know, there's always about who won the battle or who won the beef.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, the good thing about these beefs is because we talked in our two-pock show how

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[SPEAKER_03]: a beef, a fictionalized thing actually led to the passing and the killings of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And not only these guys, but other people involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tons of other people that were involved.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Biggie always said beef is when I see you, and then he's saying, you know,

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[SPEAKER_03]: And definitely in the ICU, like he's at that rhyme scheme, this was not like that, which is why I don't think they kept it classy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're not really glamorizing it in any way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: These are just like fun things that happen on wax though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure at the time, you know, these guys are fired up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the cannabis one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is during the 1997 phenomenon recordings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a a posse cut called 4321 and supposedly cannabis went up to LL and was like, I want to get a microphone tattoo on my arm just like you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And LL as a wise older man, now he's like, yeah, I was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, this young kid idolizes me and I basically just told him like you got to earn a dude like you can't have you can't bite me like what are you thinking like that kind of thing like you know being a

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[SPEAKER_03]: being a bigger brother in a way, but also being very protective of what you did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like this cat, this cat has an urn this yet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so cannabis is on that song and LL kind of closed that song by Dissing the Man who was just in that song before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was wild.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So cannabis comes out with, um, what is it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Second round, second round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Second round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In the mic, my Tyson's in the video.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then LL comes back with the the Ripper strikes back and somehow Wycliffe is in Wycliffe got roped into it because Wycliffe, I think, was managing cannabis at the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then LL calls him the Bob Marloss and Pasta called him the Rasta and Pasta.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Clef had a diss record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's Clef got to do with it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you know, it's funny is

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[SPEAKER_03]: like post haste because there's another one that is not even hip hop relevant it is Jamie Foxx when when they were on any given Sunday supposedly uh LL punched him in the face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that wasn't a beef LL just beat his ass.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and so

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[SPEAKER_03]: But what L.L.

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[SPEAKER_03]: has done with some of these folks now, as far as I know, he and cumul cumul D did not collaborate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He and cannabis also did not collaborate, though they squashed beef.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think at a concert, he brought cannabis on stage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the Jamie Foxx one and the White Clevver John one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're on songs with him later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they did a record together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So iced tea.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In the late 80s, they clash over real hip hop and iced teas on the West Coast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, you know, a lot of people thought that L.L.

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[SPEAKER_03]: was kind of leaning a little bit too much commercial, but he was also very famous at the time, and if you want to get on the map, who better to take a shot at than L.L.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Though iced tea had his, he was also had a good career, but he, you know, he kind of took a shot at him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: into to to break it down with ll l cut crushes hammer mow and ice t's growth is right that's right and so quest love talks about this because when they were doing the tour ice t is on it and quest love knows about the beef.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and he's like trying to make sure like LL like what should I tell iced tea not to do like what like you know like he's kind of straddle lines and LLs like no have him do everything I want him to do the songs where he disses me like that's like real iced tea I want him to be real iced tea and so quest I was like okay good I didn't have to like worry about any

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, any frustration with between these two guys and so, you know, cooler heads prevailed these dudes or elder statesmen in the game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They, they're successful, they're successful.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no need for beef and also like, you know, I see is almost 70 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: LL is almost 60 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's nothing sadder than to old men, you know, having like stupid beef that goes back 40 years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: LLs and break in two, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, ice tea was in blood street.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, I mean, yeah, ice tea's in breaking two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, I didn't break it to LL.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And what's what what LLs and crush group, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, we need to do rewatches do I mean, I saw breaking two a couple of years ago, I would 100% watch crush group again, no, what about beach street?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, maybe someplace in Brooklyn will do like a hip hop marathon movie and I'll watch Beat Street again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Blair Underwood in Crush Group, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right, play in Russell Simmons.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Simmons was like, I want the handsomeest man alive to be on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much, pretty much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's so many people in that movie, like the Beastie Boys in that movie, Run DMC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New edition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Sheila E, the fat boys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's just so many, it's like a who's who of music in 1985.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Jay-Z beef was never really settled on wax and I still sense that LL doesn't really look, he's not the biggest Jay-Z fan even today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This supposedly this stemmed from a young Jay-Z tried to battle LL back in the day and LL was like, come on man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I heard that story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jayce you become a president of deaf jam and LL thinks then you know you're not promoting me enough there's you know you're not giving me enough love here so there's got to be something going on from way back when and I you know they they're I guess.

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[SPEAKER_03]: they would be they're professional, but I can just sense that, you know, he knows is not the biggest J fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know of J's to what J has said about LL, but I don't think he said anything about LL like ever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there was this thing on the Shannon Sharp, the club Shea podcast, and Shannon Sharp asked this question like a really weird way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, who's your Mount Rushmore?

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[SPEAKER_03]: but of deaf jam.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think what he was trying to do is he was trying to get J, LL to put J on the Mount Rushmore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But LL took that question as the deaf jam from my era.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he put all the OGs on the Mount Rushmore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Shannon was like, well, what about JZ?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think people really think of Jay-Z as deaf jam.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They think of him as a Rockefeller.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Shannon did not ask that question correctly, but I could tell Ella wasn't going to fall for the banana and the tailpipe and he's like he's he and so he basically said

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jay Z came a thousand years after us like like this is deaf jam and that that's so that's who I'm putting on my my ass and that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean you know when I think a deaf jam I think of you know Russell Simmons and Rick Rubin and You know the label that they built and by the time Jay came around I mean I think Russ was still kind of running the label Rick Rubin was long gone and you know deaf jam was basically like a corporate entity more than it was a label and you're also right like

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you think of Jay-Z and a label, you think of Rockefeller, and you don't really remember that, you know, those albums were all on deaf jam.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the last one, which is not, this is kind of an unfair one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even remember how hammer, I think hammer just kind of took shots at everybody on the east coast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, hammer was just in New York rappers to be gangwant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that whole turn is mother out video is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, he does this LL directly on let's get it started, but yeah, his whole thing was like, you know, New York rapper suck, which is hilarious because hammer is the worst rapper ever, but it's it was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: him being on the west coast, him being independent and trying to make a name, and there's no easier way to make a name than name drop the most famous rappers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's just marketing in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then you also have to back it up and the owner like hammer can't back it up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: he can only create please hammer don't hurt him which blows up and like like that's kind of his you know if you want to point to something you okay so I was successful in this very small period of time but you know he doesn't he doesn't last and you know it's funny because hammer also had issues with jz much later

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[SPEAKER_03]: when Hammer didn't even really have a voice in music anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember what that beef was about, but I think Jay kind of like, there's a line on one of his songs where he talks about Bloom, like Bloom when he like hammer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's like 20 mil can't hurt me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, or, you know, he's about Hammer going bankrupt and he's like 20 mil can't hurt me or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then Hammer got mad and started saying he was part of like some secret society or something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: you can't argue with facts right did have a go broke yes yes all right it's a factual statement and you know it's a story that we've covered already on an episode and we'll cover it again which is

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[SPEAKER_03]: industry rule number 4,000 and 80 like it's really hard to be to be successful to make records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and my dude blew up and was selling records left right and that's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he also, and this is, you know, I'm not mad at this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He went back to Oakland and basically hired everybody to work for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in order to pay all these people, that money has to sustain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I don't think that Hammer counted on his run of success being as short as it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, please have it all heard when came out in 1990 by like 1994, 1995 Hammer was a husband.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that run was super fast and in order to maintain that level of you know, business, you have to be on top for a long period of time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: how dare you disrespect pumps in a bumps for one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he did makes, we're, I think we're going to do a hammer episode as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We should do a hammer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're going to do one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, thinking back of the, the missteps of hammer, like the, the missteps that he made were missteps that anybody would have made at the height of his popularity.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you mentioned trying to,

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, all the people that you've worked with, like, trying to bring them up with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He did that Adam's family song and for an artist in a genre that wasn't super comfortable with the sellouts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just put that money in my bank account, and I will give you guys a song they do was selling he was he was doing movie theme songs He was selling chicken on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was doing soda commercials.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was doing everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for like a couple of years his bag must have been enormous But you know again like you got to make sure what's going what's coming in is more than what's going out And I think he just had a lot going out

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[SPEAKER_03]: to I still think the song to legit to quit should have been bigger.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think I think people were just tired of him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so, this isn't the hammer parking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, but, you know, hammers a great story and we'll talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so I'm going to quickly go through every album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you tell me, just like off the top of your head, like what you think about, you know, what comes to mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So obviously the first one radio, it's a good album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just sounds dated like that era of rap is supposed to sound.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a Donald Glover stand-up skit where he talks about how old school rappers used to sound and it's a really funny skit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I think about when I listen to radio now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: L.L.

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[SPEAKER_03]: said the reason why Russell wasn't messing with him from the beginning is because he just sounded like people who were already out at that point, but better.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He, I mean, he, but it what it did is it made L.L.

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[SPEAKER_03]: go back into the, you know, back into the lab and make something better than what he was, was doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bigger and pepper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that that's style and that really like blew him up and there's still some of those songs are actually still very good, but it also still just sounds it sounds dated yeah very much so, but it's not my favorite because Mama said not here is my favorite, but it's probably second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say I just remember everybody I was in seventh grade and everybody was in love with I need love like girls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that was he was it and you know it's one of those songs where I'd still remember every lyric to that song but I can never listen to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so corny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah totally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Walking with a panther.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again there's good songs on that album and that album I think is

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of the beginning of his transition into sounding a lot less, like an old school rapper and more kind of like the LL that we know and love, um, there's way too many slow songs like on that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to make, I need love over like five times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just was not, was not hitting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think one cool thing about that album is that LL produced that album himself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they said,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There are some really cool sounding beats on that album, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The problem with that album and he's admitted this, he just, he was just in love with his own cool at that moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm that type of guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that song, but like you're talking about leaving your drawings somebody's hamper, some other dudes hamper, like that's just a foul record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and he's probably doing that, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's probably doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, mom said not to you out classic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really.

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[SPEAKER_03]: L. I was only great album and it you would think and so what's what's very interesting and I did not even I wasn't able to really even think about this at that time because I didn't have the hip hop history knowledge, but.

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[SPEAKER_03]: from Bigger and Defer, 1987, where he's hot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Two years later, he just falls out with Walk with the Panther, even though Walk with the Panther, I think goes platinum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They went platinum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he just, he lost the streets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, between the time Bigger and Defer and walking with the Panther came out, like Rockham came out, came out, came out, like all these other dudes came out that were advancing hip-hop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, that album really just kind of felt like Ella had his head stuck with his butt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so the comeback album at the young age of 22 when ever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: With Mama said, no, you know, that's, that's a crazy story because I didn't really understand what he was actually coming back from as I was living this album in real time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And but to go back and just really understand the time and place and everything is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, mom said not you out is one of those hip-hop albums where it's like a greatest hit record every song is a, you know, is a hit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then three years later, we get 14 shots to the dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's good songs on that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like like half album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, the problem is the other half.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is where BMG comes into my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: eight CDs for a dollar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't tell you about the shipping and handling though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a didn't and they didn't tell you that you owed them like eight more CDs at like $20 a pop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so my frustration with this time period is I am such an LL fan at this point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's getting flack for this album again for kind of chasing a harder sound and that's not really who he was and this and that and I listen to the album and I'm like But I like a lot of this album like what's the real problem with this album and it didn't go it wasn't insanely successful Not like the others were the last three had gone the first four had gone platinum technically and I don't think this one did I think it did eventually

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I think all of until, until exit 13, I think all of his albums have gone flat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then we get, you know what I remember about 1993, by the way, is he's a he's a marketer, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a master marker.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a promoter and he was showing up on all of the award shows and my album drops.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he would he would just keep saying 14 shots of the dome and he would say the date that the album was coming out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think he also got a lot of flag for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then now I'm came out and nobody bought it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so another get another come back album 1995's Mr. Smith now he is not he is kind of outlasted the ruckims and the big daddy canes and there's these new guys he's got Wu Tang and Tupak and Biggie and guys like that to deal with and Mr. Smith comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he just made a move to be a little more mature sounding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely went into a more R&B kind of sound, you know, all the singles from that album have super recognizable samples.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was, you know, his track master's production.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very like basic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't super challenging, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, that first single had voice to men on it, who were everywhere at that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, just kind of like blew him back up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then 1997's Phenomenon, you went full on and made a bad boy record very much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So every single song on that album has like a record that's a little simple.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think I think Puffy is the executive producer of that album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I will give him credit for one thing, which is,

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[SPEAKER_03]: putting new edition in LL together, at least Rostres Vanton, Ricky Bell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I love that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that album was tied into his autobiography.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I make my own rules.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and then 2000's goat, the bragadocious LL is back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Calls himself the greatest of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which, you know, I mean, look, you can make a case for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Goats not a great record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's maybe a little too long and it's, again, just, it's, you need the problem with so many albums that there's some, some joints.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then there's some stuff where you just like, now it doesn't work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then in 2002, 10,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Actually like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll love you better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I actually like most of that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was one of the few One of the few hip-hop albums we could play in the record store at that time because he didn't curse on that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I mean, he doesn't really curse on most of his albums.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say and I think he always said that it's like He always had his grandmother in the back of his mind as as a reason And then 2004's the death Inition

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we'll talk Smith came in between those.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, Todd Smith is 2006.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's two years after the definition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, that definition was a timble and album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like head sprung is dope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's maybe one or two other songs under that I really like, but, you know, again, he can't keep it together for a whole record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You remember, this is before we had Apple Music in Spotify.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We had iTunes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was just searching through this catalog and Apple Music has an actual album called L.O.

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[SPEAKER_03]: CoolJ's iTunes originals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was kind of clicking through it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: system songs of his, but then he kind of read us the vocals on some songs to give it like the original iTunes version.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of interesting because you mentioned headsprung.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So for the longest time, I thought it was they call me big Ellie, big Sally.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, it's not Sally.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's big

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so he says this on one of the interviews that I listen to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's like people think that it's big celly, but it's actually big silly, because I'm just goofing a lot of the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then on the iTunes original, he very clearly says big silly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ha, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was today years old when I learned this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was two weeks ago, years old when I first started doing my research.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: OK. And then, and so like within that iTunes original album is like some little clips of interviews.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, it's during this 2004 time frame.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not saying anything that's really reflective yet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So but but you know, it's interesting to see that he

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then 2006, and this is, you talked about R&B album, this is an R&B album, Todd Smith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, not a great record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple of songs towards the end of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has one song with one 12.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it's about getting married and I can't remember the name of the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's a really nice song.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is also the one of a Jamie Fox, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, like Jamie Fox is on at Mary J. Blige is on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mary Mary is on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: T. R. Marie for anybody that remembers her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just, it's way too much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then 2008's exit 13.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the exit 13, I think we all assumed meant that he was just going to be a higher album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did the jazzy thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he has, is this the album with, gosh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he does a, is this the one with New York New York at the end or is that I'll send it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, for exit 13,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like, if this is going to be your opus, like, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can't go out like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and that was the 50 album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's from Queens, 50 some Queens.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, supposedly he has an entire album with 50 cent that they just never put out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they can keep that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They can keep that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, who else he said, he's got tons of songs with that that dad just never came out as Dr. Dre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, drain LL been tight for a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I vaguely remember hearing that drain LL working together on some stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I think they put one song out together, uh, called Zoom, which is on the board.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's down track.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A Zoom Zoom Zoom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, not a great song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't, I don't know if we're going to do a Dr. Dre episode or not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This man has so much music with a ton of people that just never comes out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And never comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How does this on it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess he doesn't have to be rich because he invested in the headphones.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I mean, Dr.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got my money, then God at this point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then 2013's authentic, not a very authentic record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe authentic to who he was at the time, but I think I think my man was just kind of like,

53:22.518 --> 53:31.528
[SPEAKER_00]: working out and, you know, was all about kind of like expanding his brand and wasn't really about making a great hip hop record.

53:31.668 --> 53:35.312
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it was like a indie label or something, right?

53:35.552 --> 53:39.557
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, it wasn't like a, yeah, he left F jam and put it out on like his own label.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then 2024 is the force, which is yet another comeback album and we're very thankful for it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we'll

53:51.205 --> 54:00.235
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I mentioned, it is very conscious of his time in place and who he is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There is a song called Spirit of Cyrus that I really love.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, do you know what the, I mean, you've seen the movie warriors from like back in the day?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, from the 70s.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Cyrus is the guy and warriors who they've gotten all the gangs,

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[SPEAKER_03]: together and they're going to try and work together because they don't like the way the police treat people and so the gangs are all together and they've chosen Cyrus as the leader of like all of the gangs and one of the gangs actually shoots and murders Cyrus while he's speaking to all the gangs like that's how the warrior starts out and then it just becomes like these guys are all running from each other and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is the guy who goes, CURN you digger, like shackles does that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's a very, it's a very memorable drop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so when he calls back to spirit of Cyrus, I was like, wait a second here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like this is, this is what is so great about,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not just hip hop because other genres of music will do this, but you call back to a very specific thing and you use it as like the meat or the spirit of what you are talking about.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought that was so smart.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if.

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[SPEAKER_03]: LL was watch the movie or if Q tip was like, hey, like, I want to use this thing, you know, whatever, whatever was, but I just thought to kick off the album with that is so thoughtful and so smart and so hip hop.

55:41.410 --> 55:45.378
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is this is what I was waiting for it's intention setting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean, it's like,

55:47.609 --> 55:54.102
[SPEAKER_00]: When you make an album, if you really try and structure an album, your first song should set the table for the remainder of the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this was really just LL channeling, that warrior's energy, that old school energy, that old New York energy, and just being like, hey, you know, like I'm not messing around with y'all this time, like this is a real LL cool J record.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Have you seen where he said that as he was recording this album, he kind of had to go back to rap school, like he needed to like sharpen up his skills.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What is rap school for L.o.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what I would assume is just that Ella went back and listened to some of those old records and was like trying to put himself in the mindset of where he was when he made those, you know, the mindset of where hip hop was when he made those, you know, I can see like if you want to make a great rap album that I'm gonna put on public enemy records and I'm gonna put on my rock him records and I'm gonna just like study that to get back into that zone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that the man kind of helped invent the genre to where it is today had to go back to rap school that that's something man

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so the making of the album as we said Q-tip is the executive producer and in some cases, this is almost like a Q-tip collaboration, even because Q-tips on a lot of songs, you know, singing rapping hooks and stuff, but you hear his voice on almost half the songs, I think, so they recorded it at Q-tips home studio.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it took them a long time to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he scrapped a lot of versions of the song because they didn't feel and here's that word again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Authentic, enough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been to it, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I wanted to get your thoughts on this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is this story or do you think this is a little bit closer to the reality of what happened?

57:44.422 --> 57:52.892
[SPEAKER_03]: So LL had a dream about five dog in which five dog

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[SPEAKER_03]: was kind of making fun of the music that he was making.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like kind of like Smurkey and just being unimpressed with this version of LL.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So LL took that as a sign that he needed to get back to real hip hop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so he reaches out to five dogs, main man, Q-tip,

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[SPEAKER_03]: to work with him on the album.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Fiction, reality, what do you think that story lives?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, probably fiction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I wonder what was the impetus for LL and Q-tip to work together because when I think about the way I thought about LL

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[SPEAKER_00]: LL on a tri-b album or put tri-b on an LL album, so I would be curious what led to them working together on glad they were together because now as mature men, they fit much better together than they might have in maybe the early 90s.

58:57.130 --> 59:02.017
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, shit, a Q-tit probably could have made 14 shots to the dome a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could have.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, like, these guys are kind of from the same area, right?

59:13.227 --> 59:19.152
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Queens is big, but, you know, they're from more or less the same area.

59:19.232 --> 59:20.373
[SPEAKER_00]: And how old is Q-tip?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Q-tip was born in, if I'm correctly 71.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's only three years younger than LL.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, I think I wonder if it comes for actually he's only two years younger than LL.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if some of this has to do with these guys have actually just survived, right?

59:43.232 --> 59:50.907
[SPEAKER_03]: Like who is still at the top of their games in hip-hop that comes from the same time frame as them?

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not that many.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not that many.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not that many.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we are so thankful we still get

59:58.203 --> 01:00:04.761
[SPEAKER_03]: day law record today, but one of the members of day law is no longer with us, like it's just like five dogs is no longer with us.

01:00:05.584 --> 01:00:10.778
[SPEAKER_03]: And so these are guys who have just withstood the test of time and you know, Q tip, I think.

01:00:12.850 --> 01:00:18.941
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish Q-tip was not as kind of mysterious as he is.

01:00:19.001 --> 01:00:36.192
[SPEAKER_03]: I would love to read a Q-tip book, I would love to see, you know, that we did get a little bit of who Q-tip is in that documentary, the Michael Rappaport documentary, but I don't imagine that he necessarily loved everything about his portrayal.

01:00:36.340 --> 01:00:39.324
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, it's I haven't pretty good authority dead.

01:00:39.344 --> 01:00:40.065
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not.

01:00:40.085 --> 01:00:43.289
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that that's why that movie feels so real.

01:00:43.790 --> 01:00:44.391
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:00:44.411 --> 01:00:56.927
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I think there's an argument that Q tip is so much more important to hip up than he gets any credit for just because he's not out there promoting himself all the time.

01:00:57.448 --> 01:00:58.590
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and that's valid.

01:00:58.690 --> 01:01:01.133
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because you think not only

01:01:01.720 --> 01:01:23.425
[SPEAKER_00]: is he, you know, an essential part of the native tongues and tribe, but he, you know, discovered J. Dilah, he saw that whole kind of second phase, a backpack hip hop, me or soul type thing, you know, he's kind of responsible for that in some ways, you know, you think back to like,

01:01:23.692 --> 01:01:29.520
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, dude was on, dude's been on Janet Jackson record and Michael Jackson record to say, yeah.

01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:31.402
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:01:31.422 --> 01:01:38.131
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was sort of influential to like the an earlier Kanye as well.

01:01:38.251 --> 01:01:39.072
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:01:39.092 --> 01:01:52.770
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so yeah, I just said like that this dude himself, I just think needs to be a

01:01:52.970 --> 01:01:57.735
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think he's, you know, been through what he's been through when he keeps it low key.

01:01:58.376 --> 01:02:00.318
[SPEAKER_00]: Just think that's his M.O.

01:02:00.338 --> 01:02:00.558
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:01.059 --> 01:02:01.299
[SPEAKER_00]: He would.

01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:04.102
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if he'd put out a book, I would read that shit tomorrow.

01:02:04.122 --> 01:02:06.064
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I would just, yeah, I'd buy it immediately.

01:02:06.585 --> 01:02:14.213
[SPEAKER_03]: He presented, uh, think he presented Dr. Dre at the Grammys with some sort of lifetime.

01:02:14.773 --> 01:02:15.614
[SPEAKER_00]: He presented for REL.

01:02:15.634 --> 01:02:16.215
[SPEAKER_00]: For REL.

01:02:16.255 --> 01:02:17.116
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it was for REL.

01:02:17.436 --> 01:02:17.536
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:02:17.556 --> 01:02:19.418
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the Dr. Dre award, I guess.

01:02:19.498 --> 01:02:21.120
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:02:21.100 --> 01:02:26.317
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that was a cool moment just to see him on TV, you know, just to see him.

01:02:26.899 --> 01:02:31.093
[SPEAKER_03]: Every time I see him, I'm just like, I'm just thankful that I still could to see this dude.

01:02:31.394 --> 01:02:34.057
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, come on, Q2, Teddy Riley got a book coming out.

01:02:34.078 --> 01:02:35.299
[SPEAKER_00]: Arsenio got a book coming out.

01:02:35.620 --> 01:02:37.081
[SPEAKER_00]: You can put a book out to you.

01:02:37.101 --> 01:02:50.579
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm here for, as we talked about, we put up the YouTube short and Instagram reel about if someone came out with an album today, we would drop it at the, and we would just go listen, like Q-tip was my number one, you know?

01:02:50.619 --> 01:02:53.503
[SPEAKER_03]: That was just like, if he was just on an album,

01:02:53.483 --> 01:03:16.082
[SPEAKER_03]: And he did another solo joint or if he just decided to put a bunch of MCs together on a bunch of old heads and do stuff with people for and I'm there like immediately midnight Thursday refreshing my album one year on your yeah yeah okay so Q tip said when L L called him

01:03:16.248 --> 01:03:19.932
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, say, less big bro and jumped on board immediately.

01:03:20.492 --> 01:03:24.096
[SPEAKER_03]: And he saw it as a chance to honor the culture that they both helped build.

01:03:25.117 --> 01:03:30.963
[SPEAKER_03]: So Q to be explained that I think this is on sway, on sway show.

01:03:31.623 --> 01:03:35.267
[SPEAKER_03]: He explained that the goal wasn't just to make beats for LL.

01:03:35.647 --> 01:03:45.597
[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted to help LL create the blackest album possible.

01:03:46.420 --> 01:03:52.236
[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted the album to feel like hot sauce, chicken wing, flower in a paper bag seasoning.

01:03:52.938 --> 01:03:57.230
[SPEAKER_03]: That was his metaphor for the raw version of what he wanted to create.

01:03:58.755 --> 01:04:01.442
[SPEAKER_03]: That also sounds like not very healthy, but.

01:04:01.810 --> 01:04:08.880
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm, Ella works out enough, but you can probably, you know.

01:04:08.900 --> 01:04:22.840
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but because Ella had like this big ambition for this album, cute tips that he took it as like, okay, like, if this is real, like,

01:04:23.917 --> 01:04:39.538
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to push him away from that pop polish that we've been talking about and back into like a gritty or space and also like he's like I'm going to executive produce the shit out of this album.

01:04:40.019 --> 01:04:45.486
[SPEAKER_03]: I cannot be a fan, I gotta be a producer so much so

01:04:46.343 --> 01:04:54.596
[SPEAKER_03]: that he said, he told LL that some of his verses sucked or were dog shit and forced them to rewrite them.

01:04:56.279 --> 01:04:56.519
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

01:04:56.539 --> 01:04:57.841
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're supposed to do.

01:04:57.961 --> 01:04:58.963
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I get it.

01:05:00.004 --> 01:05:04.391
[SPEAKER_03]: But I couldn't tell his verses were dog shit.

01:05:04.632 --> 01:05:07.997
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, LL would beat their crap out of me.

01:05:10.694 --> 01:05:17.665
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard about LL taking out home intrusion and stuff like that, so yeah, I don't stand a chance.

01:05:18.526 --> 01:05:32.128
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, hey, the right person to produce him, right, and which makes me think now it sounds like this album was took a lot out of both of them to put out because we'd been hearing about it for so long.

01:05:32.952 --> 01:05:34.074
[SPEAKER_03]: But if they, if L.O.

01:05:34.094 --> 01:05:41.087
[SPEAKER_03]: was to do something again, like, this is the right dude to do it with, you know, if you want to come back again, similar.

01:05:41.228 --> 01:05:48.762
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, lately, the last couple of years, there've been so many like veteran rappers doing like an entire album with a producer.

01:05:48.782 --> 01:05:55.635
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the Nas and Primo album that came out recently, common in Pete Rock, like,

01:05:56.003 --> 01:06:04.955
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, people are kind of getting these old school producers who have that flavor that they used to and doing entire records with them.

01:06:04.975 --> 01:06:16.830
[SPEAKER_00]: So another LLQ tip album, or you know, I don't know, LL, I think if LL was teamed up with the right person, he's got like another classic album in

01:06:18.245 --> 01:06:27.315
[SPEAKER_03]: Q-tip used the phrase spaceman rather than caveman as kind of the style that he wanted.

01:06:27.696 --> 01:06:47.138
[SPEAKER_03]: He wanted LL to feel futuristic, which if you remember one of LL's original nicknames, the future of funk, and rather than caveman rather than going back to the nostalgia that was also the ambition of the album.

01:06:48.316 --> 01:06:59.771
[SPEAKER_00]: the force features a sample of Michael Jackson's voice is that I think I don't I think that's Q tip talk imitating Michael Jackson's voice.

01:06:59.791 --> 01:07:01.093
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's the actual sample.

01:07:02.475 --> 01:07:05.238
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sound I listen just listen to it today.

01:07:05.258 --> 01:07:07.962
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like

01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:09.501
[SPEAKER_03]: chip monkey Michael.

01:07:10.783 --> 01:07:13.406
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds a little too nasal.

01:07:13.646 --> 01:07:13.906
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:07:13.946 --> 01:07:14.247
[SPEAKER_00]: Michael.

01:07:14.387 --> 01:07:15.428
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's cute too.

01:07:15.949 --> 01:07:18.291
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, like probably cost a lot less money.

01:07:18.311 --> 01:07:19.893
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably.

01:07:19.913 --> 01:07:22.576
[SPEAKER_03]: But if anybody can afford it, I look and afford it.

01:07:25.519 --> 01:07:27.542
[SPEAKER_03]: Saturday night special was the first single.

01:07:27.942 --> 01:07:28.362
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a great.

01:07:29.263 --> 01:07:30.625
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that song.

01:07:30.706 --> 01:07:33.069
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it beat the beat is amazing.

01:07:33.089 --> 01:07:37.415
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's Rick Ross and Fat Joe, depending on what you think about those guys.

01:07:37.535 --> 01:07:38.837
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe maybe you love those guys.

01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:44.444
[SPEAKER_03]: When that song came out, it just took me back.

01:07:44.965 --> 01:07:46.427
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it literally took me back.

01:07:47.348 --> 01:08:00.105
[SPEAKER_03]: It took me back to like, I don't know, watching MTV and like the early to mid 90s and nice

01:08:02.043 --> 01:08:23.789
[SPEAKER_03]: like the idea of Q-tip and like I haven't looked to see like what samples he used and stuff, but there's a thing that he does on this album, which I imagine is very hard, which is to take things that sound familiar that I like and also make them sound new.

01:08:24.690 --> 01:08:31.138
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, however that means I don't even know if it makes any sense in how I just said it,

01:08:32.823 --> 01:08:46.495
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I did when I heard classic stuff while at the same time feeling like this was something new and that is an incredible feat that I think he pulled off with this album.

01:08:46.930 --> 01:08:49.593
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think he did the same thing with the last tribe.

01:08:49.913 --> 01:08:51.455
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they sound like cousins.

01:08:51.896 --> 01:08:53.357
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:54.078 --> 01:09:00.246
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, shout out to tips, produce or skills, which keep becoming more refined as he gets older.

01:09:01.026 --> 01:09:09.276
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I don't know that I would have necessarily listened to a suede track on my own, me neither.

01:09:09.661 --> 01:09:16.467
[SPEAKER_03]: But on proclivities, I was kind of like, oh, sweetie, I'm not too mad at this.

01:09:17.468 --> 01:09:18.850
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine for what it is.

01:09:19.090 --> 01:09:23.514
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's basically like doing it updated for the 21st century.

01:09:24.015 --> 01:09:25.336
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:09:25.456 --> 01:09:39.229
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, at the end of the album, it's very interesting because the last three tracks praise him with Naz,

01:09:39.732 --> 01:09:45.460
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the vow which features three rappers I've never heard of and we'll never hear of ever again.

01:09:45.941 --> 01:09:54.714
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, like it's just I wonder why they did it that way, but I mean, Ella always has the one joint on his albums with like the homies.

01:09:54.854 --> 01:09:56.036
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, farmers Boulevard.

01:09:56.657 --> 01:09:56.897
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:57.758 --> 01:10:01.324
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, what did you think of murder Graham do?

01:10:02.485 --> 01:10:03.647
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I.

01:10:04.808 --> 01:10:05.929
[SPEAKER_00]: The video is amazing.

01:10:06.090 --> 01:10:06.310
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:10:07.111 --> 01:10:10.535
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I'm definitely not the world's biggest M&M fan.

01:10:10.755 --> 01:10:10.855
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:10:10.875 --> 01:10:11.236
[SPEAKER_01]: Me neither.

01:10:11.476 --> 01:10:22.410
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I mean, I appreciate the fact that M&M paid homage, um, you know, and I, you know, it's fine for what it is.

01:10:23.010 --> 01:10:27.576
[SPEAKER_03]: M&M, I will give him credit for being a craftsman.

01:10:28.617 --> 01:10:32.402
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like he really, really, really wants to be.

01:10:32.686 --> 01:10:41.324
[SPEAKER_00]: a great rapper, I mean, an M&M, like as a technical MC, M&M is dope, like there's no two ways about that.

01:10:41.524 --> 01:10:44.170
[SPEAKER_03]: I think M&M could hold his breath under water for like five minutes.

01:10:44.691 --> 01:10:46.775
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably, probably.

01:10:46.795 --> 01:10:51.505
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a difference between being like a great, I mean, this was the whole argument with cannabis.

01:10:51.485 --> 01:10:58.452
[SPEAKER_00]: where an M&M cannabis had beef, you know, where it's like, okay, you can wrap your ass off, but can you make good records?

01:10:58.472 --> 01:10:58.672
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:10:58.712 --> 01:10:59.733
[SPEAKER_00]: Those things are different.

01:11:00.574 --> 01:11:14.748
[SPEAKER_00]: And M&M is somebody who, from like, if you didn't understand English, and you were just listening to like his cadence and his syncopation and the way that he rhymes, you'd be like, this guy is the best rapper ever.

01:11:15.589 --> 01:11:18.572
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's something

01:11:19.497 --> 01:11:30.713
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's an intangible that doesn't translate into good records, whereas you had people who were more, you know, we talked about two-plot, who's, I think, a mediocre technical rapper, but made better records.

01:11:32.475 --> 01:11:35.640
[SPEAKER_03]: Eminem is around our age as far as I know.

01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:36.962
[SPEAKER_03]: He's older than us.

01:11:36.982 --> 01:11:37.943
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.

01:11:37.963 --> 01:11:39.305
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:11:39.325 --> 01:11:44.552
[SPEAKER_03]: But we're close in age, like he's similar in age to us.

01:11:44.592 --> 01:11:47.817
[SPEAKER_03]: So the problem that I have with Eminem

01:11:49.045 --> 01:11:52.790
[SPEAKER_03]: I think like I was watching, this is a funny comparison, by the way.

01:11:52.831 --> 01:11:57.197
[SPEAKER_03]: I was watching Ace Ventura Pet Detective for the first time ever in my life.

01:11:57.958 --> 01:11:58.379
[SPEAKER_03]: What?

01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:06.210
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never watched that movie and the reason is because I always found Jim Carey way too silly for my taste.

01:12:07.068 --> 01:12:08.770
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is what I feel about M&M.

01:12:09.111 --> 01:12:11.634
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I always felt that he was very immature.

01:12:11.694 --> 01:12:15.639
[SPEAKER_03]: And that he was way too silly to be taken seriously.

01:12:15.779 --> 01:12:21.207
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he explodes and becomes like the famous, most famous rapper of all time at that moment.

01:12:21.927 --> 01:12:30.158
[SPEAKER_03]: And so like, clearly like to the audience that he was trying to reach, like they were just like, oh my gosh, this guy's amazing.

01:12:30.579 --> 01:12:31.540
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like,

01:12:32.414 --> 01:12:45.130
[SPEAKER_03]: a disrespectful and he's kind of silly and he's talking about like farting and stuff on record and he's, you know, he's just constantly dissing people who actually can't get back at him like Christina Lairan Britney Spears.

01:12:45.771 --> 01:12:51.398
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, it's, it's, the silliness is one thing and that's just like the maturity thing that you grow out of, right?

01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:59.449
[SPEAKER_00]: The things for Eminem that always were like not negotiable for me, where the homophobia and the punching down.

01:12:59.509 --> 01:13:01.932
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like if you're

01:13:01.912 --> 01:13:04.718
[SPEAKER_00]: If you a man, you're going to fight a man.

01:13:05.961 --> 01:13:16.984
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going after Christina Aguilera and in Sake and Backstreet Boys and you know Michael Jackson and you know all these people who basically

01:13:17.977 --> 01:13:21.944
[SPEAKER_00]: are not going to get on a record in like this you back.

01:13:21.984 --> 01:13:22.626
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, God.

01:13:22.726 --> 01:13:24.629
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Mariah, right, got him.

01:13:25.611 --> 01:13:26.653
[SPEAKER_03]: Mariah, gangster's hell.

01:13:26.693 --> 01:13:32.965
[SPEAKER_03]: She don't play clown is like, one of the greatest distractions.

01:13:33.468 --> 01:13:55.369
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, so, you know, I, I appreciate, like you said, the, the technical ability and his craftsmanship, but I still, whenever I think even think of an adult M&M, like I think of all the silly records that he made that people like loved and I'm just not, I'm just not a big fan.

01:13:55.489 --> 01:14:02.496
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, he actually did go through like some crazy shit with his ex wife and, and everything and

01:14:02.476 --> 01:14:05.840
[SPEAKER_03]: uh drug problems or whatever, you know, we're involved there.

01:14:06.621 --> 01:14:12.907
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but yeah, like a lot of the music to me was just like, I feel like you can do a lot better than this.

01:14:13.368 --> 01:14:14.509
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, yeah, I'll show.

01:14:15.230 --> 01:14:15.510
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:14:15.550 --> 01:14:26.322
[SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, the album in of itself, I think is just, uh, the forces, I'd, where would you rank it in your LL rankings?

01:14:27.383 --> 01:14:28.765
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like high middle.

01:14:29.906 --> 01:14:31.808
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, you know,

01:14:32.463 --> 01:14:40.683
[SPEAKER_00]: I was listening to it a lot when it first came out and then it just kind of like disappearing in the rest of my library and for the last week or so I've been listening to it again.

01:14:40.723 --> 01:14:44.893
[SPEAKER_00]: And the songs are good when you're listening to them.

01:14:45.454 --> 01:14:49.003
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know, haven't been

01:14:49.203 --> 01:14:53.088
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the album has it been really like calling my name might go back and listen to the album.

01:14:53.348 --> 01:15:11.532
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and again, like not many LL albums do, I think LL is more, more of a single artist and an album artist, but I do very much appreciate the fact that he went into this process with the idea to make a good album and he made a good album.

01:15:12.693 --> 01:15:34.279
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, it's kind of hard talking about charts and everything today because music is so different and comparing it to, um, you know, how we've done other episodes, but I did want to do a Grammy Redux because it would have been the 20 hit hit this album would have been up for nomination in the 20 26.

01:15:34.411 --> 01:15:38.637
[SPEAKER_03]: Grammys because it came out in September and I think the cutoff date is the end of August.

01:15:39.438 --> 01:15:42.462
[SPEAKER_03]: So it would have been actually for this just this past Grammys.

01:15:43.003 --> 01:15:44.184
[SPEAKER_03]: And here were the albums.

01:15:44.384 --> 01:15:54.238
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've listened to all these albums, by the way, G&X by Kendrick, let God sort them out by clips, glorious by Glow Rilla.

01:15:54.999 --> 01:16:01.988
[SPEAKER_03]: Who God does like ugly, JID, and Chroma Copia by Tyler the Creator.

01:16:04.347 --> 01:16:11.704
[SPEAKER_03]: Kendrick is going to probably win this award every time he's nominated until he just decides that he's not going to care.

01:16:11.724 --> 01:16:12.586
[SPEAKER_03]: Make reference anymore.

01:16:12.607 --> 01:16:12.967
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:16:13.709 --> 01:16:17.057
[SPEAKER_03]: So I get the Kendrick thing, a hundred percent.

01:16:18.488 --> 01:16:24.356
[SPEAKER_03]: Clips album is actually pretty good, but as always, it's like, what are these dudes rapping about?

01:16:24.436 --> 01:16:28.782
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of always been the thing with clips, but it sounds great.

01:16:28.802 --> 01:16:34.831
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, you can imagine what it sounds like based on the producers, but I think it's quality.

01:16:36.273 --> 01:16:41.019
[SPEAKER_03]: Glow Rilla, we might just be old.

01:16:41.580 --> 01:16:44.825
[SPEAKER_03]: I was, that's very, that's very diplomatic.

01:16:44.845 --> 01:16:47.348
[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't a fan.

01:16:48.762 --> 01:16:57.140
[SPEAKER_03]: I like Tyler of the Creator, but I've liked a lot of the Tyler of the Creator albums in the past, more than this new one.

01:16:57.160 --> 01:17:04.234
[SPEAKER_03]: I would put this LL album, it should have been nominated, I think the people just forgot about it.

01:17:04.976 --> 01:17:07.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe people forgot about it.

01:17:07.882 --> 01:17:12.868
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I, so you will never, ever, ever, ever, catch me listening to a low-reli record.

01:17:12.949 --> 01:17:14.511
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just never going to happen.

01:17:14.931 --> 01:17:16.834
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can kind of knock that out.

01:17:17.454 --> 01:17:20.018
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, or, or JID.

01:17:20.218 --> 01:17:22.681
[SPEAKER_00]: So take those two out of the equation.

01:17:23.863 --> 01:17:29.230
[SPEAKER_00]: Clips for the reason that you stated, I don't need to hear 50-year-old men talking about selling drugs.

01:17:30.051 --> 01:17:35.037
[SPEAKER_00]: So I deliberately did not listen to the clips record.

01:17:35.017 --> 01:17:35.838
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Tyler.

01:17:36.278 --> 01:17:36.939
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's all right.

01:17:38.340 --> 01:17:45.287
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing about Chroma Colby or Colby are really stuck out to me, but maybe I just didn't like listen to it intently enough.

01:17:46.088 --> 01:17:49.751
[SPEAKER_00]: I would put the Kendrick album in the LLO, I'm probably like even.

01:17:49.811 --> 01:17:55.797
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd feel like they're both actually very similar in a lot of ways.

01:17:55.817 --> 01:18:02.003
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both short, both like consistent in terms of production,

01:18:03.704 --> 01:18:16.809
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and both of them, like, I don't mind when they're playing, but I'm not like, going crazy crazy y'all, let me hear this song, let me hear this song from this album.

01:18:16.889 --> 01:18:19.093
[SPEAKER_00]: If it comes up, it's great, and I listen to it, and I'll enjoy it.

01:18:21.077 --> 01:18:25.004
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I put those probably neck and neck.

01:18:25.024 --> 01:18:25.425
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:18:26.401 --> 01:18:27.763
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not what the no skip's rating.

01:18:28.224 --> 01:18:40.226
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if we could no skip rating, every LL album, and like you said, I think his stuff works a lot better as a singles artist, you know.

01:18:41.028 --> 01:18:41.969
[SPEAKER_03]: All world, right?

01:18:42.030 --> 01:18:44.053
[SPEAKER_03]: The greatest hits album.

01:18:45.075 --> 01:18:48.021
[SPEAKER_03]: The, he put out all world too.

01:18:48.802 --> 01:18:49.864
[SPEAKER_03]: There is an all world too.

01:18:50.385 --> 01:18:50.485
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

01:18:51.325 --> 01:19:00.438
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's also done stuff which we'll get to in our top five where he's done stuff outside of his albums with other artists that is memorable.

01:19:01.840 --> 01:19:12.875
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think this album, the thing I like about the force, there is a connectivity to the force that doesn't exist in a lot of his other albums.

01:19:13.396 --> 01:19:14.818
[SPEAKER_03]: I see what you did there.

01:19:16.317 --> 01:19:27.201
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and and thus I think the no skipped rating is much better on this album than maybe Gosh anything sense.

01:19:28.203 --> 01:19:29.365
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm gonna go back up now.

01:19:30.267 --> 01:19:33.735
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I know you said you like 10 a lot.

01:19:34.306 --> 01:19:42.233
[SPEAKER_03]: I can dig that, even Mr. Smith though, like there's stuff where I just absolutely do not like it and I quickly get through it.

01:19:42.893 --> 01:19:43.114
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:19:43.834 --> 01:19:52.061
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Mama said watch me out is maybe, Mama said knock you out and bigger and deaf where I can just play all the way through and not even think about it.

01:19:52.502 --> 01:20:00.789
[SPEAKER_03]: But other than that, there's not many albums that I can play all the way through of his, I can play this one and you, I think you benefit by playing this one all the way through.

01:20:00.809 --> 01:20:03.351
[SPEAKER_03]: So I would give this one like a eight no skip trading.

01:20:03.736 --> 01:20:16.851
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was thinking like seven seven and a half so all right so we got we got it done that you know I think this was like when it came to the creating the rundown I was like.

01:20:17.995 --> 01:20:19.758
[SPEAKER_03]: Do any of the month to do this thing?

01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:38.856
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we could do, we could do episodes on five different LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

01:20:39.055 --> 01:21:04.708
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, have a year to put together or run that and I would never be happy with it just because, you know, you want to do the perfect podcast there's no perfect podcast where just have a conversation, but this, you know, I was trying to think of this as to kind of bring this back full circle about what this 50 for 50 is about we connect first and foremost through Michael Jackson, I think.

01:21:05.026 --> 01:21:10.892
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, there are other artists that we both love maybe more than a lot of people.

01:21:12.594 --> 01:21:16.478
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's a John Mayer connection that you really turned me on to John Mayer, early John Mayer.

01:21:17.539 --> 01:21:23.065
[SPEAKER_03]: But LL is kind of like next, I think, new edition and LL.

01:21:23.085 --> 01:21:25.468
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's MJ then new edition and then LL.

01:21:26.148 --> 01:21:30.333
[SPEAKER_03]: New editions are a little different because there's so many different parts of new edition.

01:21:31.234 --> 01:21:31.354
[UNKNOWN]: Right.

01:21:33.055 --> 01:21:37.949
[SPEAKER_03]: This is somebody who was such a big part of my childhood.

01:21:37.969 --> 01:21:45.610
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I mentioned this on the very first episode that we did, which was just kind of explaining why we're doing this show.

01:21:45.630 --> 01:21:47.014
[SPEAKER_03]: And

01:21:47.855 --> 01:21:59.635
[SPEAKER_03]: When I would, you know, everything that you do in high school for some reason, like, is just so memorable for these moments where you're like, oh, like, the world works in this way.

01:22:00.015 --> 01:22:02.920
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like, this is, this is actually what it means to do this.

01:22:03.721 --> 01:22:13.137
[SPEAKER_03]: And when I was a freshman, and I think I was a freshman sophomore, I'm trying to remember the timeframe, but, um,

01:22:13.623 --> 01:22:24.858
[SPEAKER_03]: playing basketball on the basketball team and having to go to weightlifting and seeing my coaches who were so much older than me at that point, but you know, we're really only like 8 or 9 years older than me.

01:22:25.278 --> 01:22:27.060
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, not that much older than me, really.

01:22:27.741 --> 01:22:35.952
[SPEAKER_03]: But my one of the coaches in his giant boom box in the weight room,

01:22:36.286 --> 01:22:41.906
[SPEAKER_03]: The first, he plays it, and I'm like, cars ride by in the boom and system.

01:22:41.966 --> 01:22:43.050
[SPEAKER_03]: What is this?

01:22:44.053 --> 01:22:48.810
[SPEAKER_03]: And then just to see how cool he looked.

01:22:49.364 --> 01:23:06.850
[SPEAKER_03]: lifting weights, vibing to this album, that made me want to feel that same way, and in that moment, in that gym, being accepting, how do I get into this, how do what, how does this culture, how does this music become mine, right?

01:23:06.830 --> 01:23:17.606
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's a little bit different from what I was listening to previously, which is heavily influenced by, you know, my pops or, you know, it's just friends as you're younger.

01:23:17.786 --> 01:23:20.791
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is the first time where I'm like, this dude is cool.

01:23:21.752 --> 01:23:22.894
[SPEAKER_03]: What is he listening to?

01:23:23.415 --> 01:23:26.700
[SPEAKER_03]: And if he likes this stuff, it must be also cool.

01:23:27.180 --> 01:23:33.630
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was just lucky that at that time it was

01:23:33.610 --> 01:23:37.574
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, something else that maybe wouldn't have withstood the test of time.

01:23:37.614 --> 01:23:38.575
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the time, yeah.

01:23:38.595 --> 01:23:54.592
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that's, you know, that's is what LL means to me going all the way back to like, I'm just the teenage kid, you know, trying to figure out how to how to network with people, you know, how to fit in with things.

01:23:54.732 --> 01:23:57.255
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is like the moment for me.

01:23:57.674 --> 01:24:11.776
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I think there's something to be said about the way that Ella was able to as a rapper really cross through all of these different like demographics where your mom knew who L.L.

01:24:11.816 --> 01:24:15.221
[SPEAKER_00]: was, you know, if you had a big sister, she definitely knew who L.L.

01:24:15.341 --> 01:24:18.686
[SPEAKER_03]: My cousins, I was like, why didn't you tell me about this dude L.L.

01:24:18.706 --> 01:24:21.210
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, you have any kind of fell off.

01:24:21.230 --> 01:24:24.735
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, no, Mama said, knocking you out is because it's like you got to listen to this.

01:24:25.977 --> 01:24:26.198
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:24:26.278 --> 01:24:26.398
[UNKNOWN]: Right.

01:24:27.307 --> 01:24:46.077
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I think it's, you know, for people who are too young to remember a time when, you know, hip hop was the knowledge of hip hop and knowledge of hip hop artists was only like a certain segment of people like Ella was one of the few people who kind of like broke through everybody.

01:24:47.339 --> 01:24:53.449
[SPEAKER_03]: Shout out to Mr. Javis Eddie Javis he passed away last year.

01:24:54.087 --> 01:25:15.808
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... he played basketball at the University of Cal and then he was also i think he became the principal of my high school at some point after i was gone but uh... yeah he would be the one who turned me on to this album just in you know i'm i'm not lifting weights like very much at that age but but it's such a big part of my life now like i still lift

01:25:15.788 --> 01:25:16.249
[SPEAKER_03]: today.

01:25:16.289 --> 01:25:22.840
[SPEAKER_03]: And probably part of that reason is because of that moment in weightlifting class when I was a kid.

01:25:23.221 --> 01:25:23.481
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:25:23.501 --> 01:25:25.866
[SPEAKER_03]: 50 for 50 dot net.

01:25:25.886 --> 01:25:26.667
[SPEAKER_03]: Check us out.

01:25:27.308 --> 01:25:29.332
[SPEAKER_03]: Got a lot of content on the website now.

01:25:29.772 --> 01:25:31.475
[SPEAKER_03]: The YouTube channel as well.

01:25:32.377 --> 01:25:36.424
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, you hopefully you are along this ride with us.

01:25:36.464 --> 01:25:39.990
[SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, I want to shout out your discord.

01:25:40.628 --> 01:25:49.662
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, because we've gotten some really cool feedback, uh, I know that you've actually talked to some folks in your inner circle and they've enjoyed.

01:25:49.902 --> 01:25:58.756
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, that that makes me happy because, you know, the reason why one of the reasons why I reached out to you about this is because I was like, okay.

01:26:00.298 --> 01:26:09.572
[SPEAKER_03]: How can I take advantage of Mike's vast pop culture brain music brain in a way

01:26:10.818 --> 01:26:12.960
[SPEAKER_03]: that we could just do something really, really fun.

01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:16.844
[SPEAKER_03]: And in my mind, that's kind of the genesis of what we're doing.

01:26:16.904 --> 01:26:17.925
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:26:17.945 --> 01:26:21.208
[SPEAKER_03]: And so to hear people say that they really enjoy it has been awesome.

01:26:21.388 --> 01:26:27.574
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if you, if you do enjoy it, you could tell somebody else.

01:26:28.375 --> 01:26:31.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell somebody else, leave a comment, we'll read it on air.

01:26:31.097 --> 01:26:35.521
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually, a friend of mine, texted me when I sent him the podcast.

01:26:36.122 --> 01:26:40.386
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I've got to like get up and find my phone.

01:26:41.362 --> 01:26:52.620
[SPEAKER_03]: This is, this is why Mike is a true professional because he does not bring his phone to his recording space so that he doesn't get, you know, the phone.

01:26:52.640 --> 01:27:00.252
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to get distracted and I also don't want, yeah, and I also don't want it to like buzz or be for ding.

01:27:01.494 --> 01:27:06.542
[SPEAKER_00]: In the middle of the podcast and, you know, make noise, but.

01:27:07.518 --> 01:27:12.169
[SPEAKER_00]: My friend Harv says, Mike, I finished the first new edition episode yesterday.

01:27:12.610 --> 01:27:14.655
[SPEAKER_00]: You and Garrett are definitely big fans.

01:27:14.795 --> 01:27:16.679
[SPEAKER_00]: I thoroughly enjoyed listening to it.

01:27:17.020 --> 01:27:18.985
[SPEAKER_00]: And I see another 30 minute episode is next.

01:27:19.285 --> 01:27:21.210
[SPEAKER_00]: And I assume he's talking about the top five episode.

01:27:21.851 --> 01:27:24.818
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always great to geek out when it comes to me as in.

01:27:24.983 --> 01:27:25.784
[SPEAKER_03]: Shout out, Harv.

01:27:27.025 --> 01:27:33.013
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, appreciate those kind of words and, you know, Mike and I, I think we're doing this for us.

01:27:34.014 --> 01:27:35.516
[SPEAKER_03]: We're doing this for our friendship.

01:27:36.077 --> 01:27:42.244
[SPEAKER_03]: We're doing this so that we can stay in contact and communicate and be as close as we can.

01:27:42.705 --> 01:27:46.649
[SPEAKER_03]: And at the same time, if people enjoy it, you know, I do appreciate it.

01:27:47.210 --> 01:27:48.211
[SPEAKER_03]: Come along for the ride.

01:27:48.331 --> 01:27:53.758
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I said, tell a friend, if you like it, tell somebody, hey, that's right.

01:27:53.738 --> 01:28:01.127
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, hopefully, you know, we'll get some more listeners, but this episode is done.

01:28:01.187 --> 01:28:06.534
[SPEAKER_03]: The next episode will be our top five episode on LL, which is, come on, man.

01:28:06.574 --> 01:28:07.495
[SPEAKER_03]: How am I supposed to break this?

01:28:07.856 --> 01:28:08.857
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's my fault.

01:28:08.937 --> 01:28:10.078
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the one who created these.

01:28:10.098 --> 01:28:11.200
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you suggested this.

01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:13.523
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm a blame, I'm a blame this on you.

01:28:13.563 --> 01:28:16.586
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll be back for Mike.

01:28:16.707 --> 01:28:19.510
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm WGC when we see you piece out.