New Edition: Heartbreak Review (1988) | 50 for 50 Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Mike, it's here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you heard the intro, this project is something that I think we just created in a text message, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How pretty sure that's the case?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 50 for 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is it kind of celebrates the two of us because you and I were born 1976 three days apart and our 50th birthday will happen sometime in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we haven't worked together on a fun project in in a little while with you in a minute and we've had tons of other times in which we've done this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that's probably living on the internet somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we decided, hey, like, to celebrate us turning 50, to celebrate music, which is how we connected, to celebrate creating content, which is also how we connected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We decided to do a podcast celebrating the 50 albums for every single year that we've been born.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we're not going to give away what albums are on this list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll keep that as a surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we've had number one

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[SPEAKER_00]: for a little while now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: this group that we're about to talk about kind of really connects us in a way with our music tastes and our fandoms and such maybe even more than I actually I can't say more than Michael Jackson because Michael is I think clear and far number one as far as connecting us musically but these guys might actually be number two and if they're not too they're very close to

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[SPEAKER_00]: is this album specifically, I think it just spawned off a lot in me as a pre teenager and my music fandom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I was like, hey, this is the perfect album to talk to Mike about when we do our

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the album is released on June 20th, 1988.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we are barely 12 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like just turned in 12.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So where are you as a child in 1988?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you remember from that time frame?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So early, June 20, 1988, the school year had probably not ended yet, so I was still in seventh grade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was living in Brooklyn, New York, which is where I'm at now and you know, one of the funny things I remember about 1988 is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: not only that there was like so much great music that came out that year and you know, we talked about new addition, but you also want to talk about Bobby Brown and Albee Shore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about Bobby for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Keith sweat and I think guys first album drives a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, um, guys album song pepper and public enemy all all this great music came out

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shall we say had intermittent access to like videos and all that stuff during that year, but nevertheless, like there was no way to not be like completely steeped into what was going on in music at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had cousins visiting from not only out of town about the country who were very like steeped in like black American music and knew all like the hip hop and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was living with my aunt and her husband at the time, who would've been 1988, they would have been like 26, 27, so also very much in culture and going to clubs and very much part of that generation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even if I didn't necessarily have the same access to music in 1988 that I had in 1987 in 1989, I was still very deep in it, particularly like because of 12 year old, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, I mean, maybe not now, but back then, like your world was so small.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just a cat to, to see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was still pretty much listening to stuff that my dad was listening to, even on the radio, I was starting to lean a little bit closer to younger stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would not happen, by the way, until the following year, because that's more when junior high school kicks off and, you know, I'm just like with, you know, with people who are not my age, a little bit older than high school obviously you're around people who could be three or four years older than you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: this good question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I can remember, I would say, he and I, you know, and the things that I kind of gravitated to with his stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Huey Lewis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We may have a Huey Lewis album to discuss on on this show on a later date.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the like that is the one that I can remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what where I was in 88, I was mostly listening to all of his older vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's lots of Stevie Wonder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some Bruce

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[SPEAKER_00]: It, his nephews who were not that much younger than him, they were a little bit more in tune with where music was at that point, but I still don't think they were in tune with something like new edition necessarily because they're still a little bit older for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for us new edition, like these guys are not that much older than us, which is pretty key to to some of the music that you're listening to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to listen to

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[SPEAKER_00]: only you know these classical artists who are 20 years older than you like you want to listen to people who are kind of in your demographic I think that's what made the new addition stuff really cool is because as you see their careers progress they're they're kind of like dealing with things that you and I would deal with two or three or five years later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just later yeah you're absolutely right I mean you know as I'm thinking about having this

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, one thing that came up is really new addition with the first people that looked like me that were sort of in my age range to be popular, you know, in my lifetime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think for new addition, it was like Gary Coleman and I was, you know, and that was it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there was nobody in music, everybody

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were the only teenagers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was Minuto.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but other than that, there weren't any young people of color, young men of color that were really like making music and that were popular on that level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So do you remember where you may have been or how you may have first heard this album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heartbreak?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember hearing if it isn't love on a radio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, being like, okay, that's that I think that's Ralph's voice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like new edition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe a week or two later, like One of the things I was on punishment for was that I was not allowed to watch videos, but my folks would take pity on me sometimes and let me watch like BET or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember seeing the video for if it isn't love for the first time, which is an iconic video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe sometimes shortly after that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh you know my cousin who was visiting from the Netherlands uh brought home a copy of the record heartbreak online.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know I would have not I would not have listened to this until after

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[SPEAKER_00]: they all start doing their own stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, it would be in my circle in my world, obviously we're on different coasts so the radio doesn't always play the same stuff a lot of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The west coast is a little later to the game with the east coast artists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: really where it pops off for me is Bellbeau de Vogue and then becoming super popular and then doing the remix album and then having word to the mother on the remix album then I was like wait a second like I remember new addition and I'll tell you where I first remember new addition

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's when I first saw them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then connecting the dots now, you can imagine, you know, we didn't have the internet back then, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're when we're connecting the dots on stuff, it's through magazines, it's through hearing DJs, it's through listening, it's through watching videos, watching interviews with talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when I sort of connect the dots and realize

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bobby Brown, who's don't be cruel drops on the same day as heartbreak drops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I start connecting the dots, my intrigue into the group of new addition, even though they're not together performing at that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It becomes the unicorn for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The unicorn is, I can't wait to see these guys get back together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's going to be the moment because I missed all of this stuff in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, I've just been sent sense that MTV video musical awards performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the the pretty famous one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're there still some concern on whether Bobby drops something on stage or not during that problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a different performance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a different one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was that a BET one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in 89 Bobby is at the height of his success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he does the video musical words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he sings on our own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when he dropped something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bobby

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else says it was not a bracelet, obviously, you know, you can't zoom in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess people with sharper minds and I can't zoom in and see what it was, but, you know, that that's that was that performance in the year after that 1990 at the height of like all of their individual success, new addition opens the show and it's, you know, bubbly to vote

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[SPEAKER_01]: and you know, then they all come back together to do like a medley of their hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a term for what I did, which was conflating two performances and thinking one another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the Mandela effect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Mandela effected Bobby Brown's performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when they actually do the VMA's performance and the word to the mother album or video drops, I'm just in heaven because I'm like, oh my gosh, it's actually happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know my favorite piece of trivia about the word to the mother song is when they do the remix because the original version is just a shout out to the new addition fellas on the poison album, but then they do the remix and then they get everybody to perform on

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that because Johnny Gill does the intro and he inner changes the Johnny to and it becomes and Bobby to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he puts Bobby at the end of the thing, which I always thought was pretty funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, Johnny, I see what you're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could have put my name last, I mean, at that time, Johnny was the one in the group in Bobby was the one was not that is correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, this is going to happen, by the way, on this show where Mike and I, like we're talking about something and then we dovetail into something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I apologize now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1988 kind of where we were, I'm sure when you heard that album as a child or as a young teenager, it resonated with you in some sort of way, but now as you listen to it, we are not 50 yet as we are recording this, but as a late 40s person, how does it, does it change the meaning in any way or do you just kind of go back to that moment when you first heard it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a little

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[SPEAKER_01]: heartbreak is really about growing up and becoming an adult and you know it was new additions first album as men, you know they were prior to that they were really sort of well known as like you know kind of like a teeny bopper group and you know that maturation process you know I was 12 at the time but you know going

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think there was some elements that I identified with then, you know, the last song I was called Boys to Men and I felt like I was transitioning or starting the transition out of being a boy and to becoming a man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, now as a middle-aged person, you know, my love for it is nostalgic in a lot of ways, but also, you know, the maturation process never really stops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's still kind of stuff I relate to as far as like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: being, you know, there's songs about being taken seriously, certainly there are songs about relationships.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, some of those feelings, some of those emotions, some of those lyrical themes just never really go away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For me,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what's interesting is, and I think this is where you sit on the fence with whether or not the new jack swing style is either timeless or if it kind of sits in this specific time frame and it kind of ends there because to me, and I'll tell you, because I listen to a lot of the other albums from these guys, like Ralph Trezvance first album, which comes what two years after this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny Gill as well a couple years later, they all kind of do these albums right around the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of wonder if Wu Tang was influenced by what New Edition did?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't surprise me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's no no precedent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the only precedent really for what New Edition did by splintering off like that was really like the Jackson's made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when I listen to this album, I get taken back to that specific sound, which

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[SPEAKER_00]: is just sort of one of my favorite styles ever in my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, part of where when I grew up, and it kind of just puts me in a place in time which, cause you said, we're kind of going through puberty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes when I think about those times it's a little uncomfortable, but in others, I'm just like, so happy, it just makes me happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And listening to this album after knowing the story, we'll talk about the new edition mini series

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just, it just makes me think of like, man, the, what those dudes went through to get to here, and which it, which should be kind of the peak of their celebrity and their success, but it isn't, it's kind of the beginning of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think of the story of how artistry and celebrity and how all of that kind of works

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have these kind of these flukes in a sense of like what I think was it Jimmy Jam who told Bellbeard to vote to kind of do their own thing like you guys are not doing anything like just do your own thing right and like they have I think it's the highest selling of those non-new edition projects From those great not counting Bobby

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Noting Bobby, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a giant crazy thing of its own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It almost kind of feels like it exists outside of new addition because of how big it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Belby of the vote, you barely hear any of their voices on heartbreak, and yet they have the giant success of their album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it just puts me back in that time, which as a young person, like my interests are just starting to bubble and starting to kind of go crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just love that time frame that early 90s, the late 80s early 90s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what it reminds me of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the business of heartbreak will get through kind of how popular it was and then and then we'll get into the story of the creation of the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm using Wikipedia here and as folks know some Wikipedia references can be different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not all written by the same people, but I have heartbreak peaking at number 12 on the US billboard 200 and either number two or three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the R&B album's chart, selling 500,000 copies by August 19th, so several months after released and then in bicep timber, it gets certified platinum late September and it ends up certified double platinum by July 1994.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you think about like albums that are just so giant to us, like if I wouldn't have looked this up, I would have been like, oh, yeah, clearly this album sold 5 million copies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in only sold, you know, 2 million in counting, whatever, how many, I don't know how many albums heartbreak sales yearly at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I get just seen and it's probably because it's in our scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just seemed bigger than maybe what I what I figured it did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, there's a couple of things to kind of take into consideration there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One is that heartbreak came out before there was computerized scanning of albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no one really knows how much any of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, and there's also two million copies is not a slabs, two million, not a slabs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a huge record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that there was an album made by an R&B group

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[SPEAKER_01]: two heartbreak that had sold more than two million records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe there was like a pointer sister's record or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But heartbreak is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think still new addition to biggest selling record and, you know, new addition has had like a legendary career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Home again is they're like really close and I've seen something that says home again is slightly bigger, but well, what we know is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One love doesn't come close to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Puff Daddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but no, I mean, heartbreak, even, I mean, and even now, like in 2025, like we're spoiled, I think a little bit because we came up in the 90s and early 2000s when records were coming out and doing like 5 million, 6 million, 7 million, 10 million a pop like you had your insane, your TLC and all such stuff, but 2 million is still like a big ass record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, new addition were at that time, like, the biggest R&B group in the country.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the numbers to some people may seem like not as big as they should be, but, you know, I don't think that really does justice to how popular they were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the singles from Heartbreak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it isn't love was the first single, you're not my kind of girl is the second single, which is a very interesting song when you listen to the lyrics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then can you stand the rain?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, was number three crucial than any heartbreak, those rounded it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess boys to men was never officially released as a single, but it got played anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually correct you there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Boys to men was eventually released as a single, but so at the height of like everybody's crazy success in 1990, actually it might have been 91.

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[SPEAKER_01]: MCA released a greatest hits album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, okay, that's what that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they remixed boys to men and put it out as a single.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at that point, heartbreak is like three years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wants another version of this song that, you know, already got like played out on a radio, all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it didn't really do anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess it was sort of like a belated six to single from the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense to what I'm reading then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So near 1991.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is funny story about that song, too, because Johnny didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny thought it was corny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is a corny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is corny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it is also very much what the album was about, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was it, but Johnny was a part of the group when they were going through that and his voice is a little bit more mature, but he himself was a, you know, young artist who was kind of bubbling up, but never really had that thing until he joined the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny's story is very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe Jimmy Jam said that Johnny also was maybe not too sure about my, my, my.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, that might have been like, because baby face wrote that song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it might have been face, maybe Johnny doesn't have make good choices when it comes to deciding what songs you need to record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and look, the reality is boys and then there's a corny ass on and I, but it's thematically it fits right like it encapsulates everything that's supposed to be in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: This kind of sounds like a TV theme, like it sounds like a, you know, I don't know if I would have used the word coin to describe it at the time, but it didn't sound as like hip as the rest of the album did, but, you know, Johnny's right, he says this and like every interview is like I hate that song, but so I was so mad, I sang a shit out of it and Johnny's saying this shit out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: name their group boys to men.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that they had some other names and I for he mentioned them that they're they're kind of wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he said, I think he was it he and one year he and Nate or something were listening to the radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That song came on the radio and Sean said, let's use this unless we find something better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then that became the name of the group

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, deep dive into the.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's, we have to rewind a few years prior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Bobby gets voted out of this group in 1985.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The group that he created, essentially, he and his, you know, his buddies, but, and I, you know, you've heard Bobby tell this story of him getting kicked out of his own group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And really it is kind of the kick in the butt for him to do his own thing to at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the idea that Bobby gets kicked out of the group and then just becomes a giant star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one really saw that coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I remember, you know, I'm a day one new addition fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been following them since candy girl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they used to do a lot of TV shows when they first came out like solid goals and so trained and like all the other stuff and sometimes Bobby would be there with the group sometimes Bobby would not and there was a rumor at the time there were a couple of rumors I mean one rumor was that Bobby had a drug problem one rumor was that Bobby had cancer like there were all these different rumors about why he would

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[SPEAKER_01]: The way it was sold to us is that Bobby left the group to pursue a solo career didn't come out until many years later that Bobby got voted out of kicked out or however you want to put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, so new addition continued as a for some for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bobby put his first solo album out, King of Stage, which, you know, has like one big

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, it doesn't have like a lot of mainstream success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, like you mentioned the same day, heartbreak comes out, Bobby second album don't be cruel comes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then just like completely outperforms expectations and ended up juggled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're kind of like the biggest record of the next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just spinning off like all these hits and all of a sudden, like Bobby is kind of like the biggest star in the world, not named

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a story about how, you know, when they took Harbrake on tour, Bobby was the opening act.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the end of the tour, it was flipped, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Bobby's success just came kind of out of nowhere and then B just kind of like swallowed up the success of new addition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here's how I've heard it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you tell me if this is what you've heard as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bobby's the opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be sure is in the middle and then new edition right and at some point I'll be sure realizes that Bobby he cannot follow Bobby so they reverse it and then so I'll be sure opens then Bobby the new edition and then they realize that They can't follow Bobby as well and so then they flip it again and Bobby becomes headliner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know the Albie Shore and Bobby switch in places which like if you know what Bobby at his peak was like as a performer and you know what Albie Shore is like as a performer you're like when you're setting this up you're like oh this is going to be a problem here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point I don't

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[SPEAKER_01]: like my my real-time memory doesn't remember new edition and Bobby flipping but the way they've told so many times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that until I've actually heard Bobby tell that story recently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Bobby says that it was essentially a three to zero vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ralph abstained because he did not want to kick

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I don't know if it was how it was depicted on the mini series where they kind of reluctantly, you know, kind of do it, but three to zero vote with Ralph abstaining.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, Gerald Busby, can you explain to people who Gerald Busby is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gerald Busby, I believe it's the president of MCA records at the time, which was new additions record label Bobby's record label MCA in like the mid late 80's head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like the best R&B music roster in the industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'd absorb its motowns that they had all the Motown artists, but they also had, you know, an addition to new addition and Bobby, they had Stephanie Mills, they had ready for the world, they had the jets, they had basically patty libel, they had a roster of incredible R&B artists, hugely successful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Gerald Busby had a lot of juice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for a music executive in the late 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Gerald Busby, he brings in Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is very soon after control comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, everybody knows that the bigness of that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what's interesting?

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[SPEAKER_00]: is there's a, there's a song helplessly in love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's on the drag net soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then once in a lifetime groove is on the running scared soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Helpously in love, does that have Bobby on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Bobby was gone by this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So new edition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So both of these songs are for some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why I ask you that is because that's what I thought, but I want to make sure is because Jimmy and Terry come in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for all they know, it is just going to be the four guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as far as who they're working with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny comes in, but I, it doesn't sound like they really knew that Johnny was gonna be a part of the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were gonna work with Johnny outside of the group, but then Johnny joins the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so my question is, as a for some, could heartbreak have been what heartbreak was if Johnny Gil was not in this group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you have the two songs, which are really good songs with just the for some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like a little precursor to what it could have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then Johnny comes in and it changes the dynamics a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just to mention, helplessly in love was actually written and produced by jam and Lewis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there, I think wasn't a little bit of experience working with them as a quartet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the public interest in a new edition,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was kind of amplified by the fact that they had a new member in a group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was someone who had had some level of success prior to joining the group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there was some curiosity there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, Jim and Lewis were also on like a super hot streak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that album would have, as long as Jimmy and Terry were involved in that record, I think that record was gonna be successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a couple of sliding doors aspects to this too, because,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ralph, and the, so the, the reason why Johnny is part of this group is because there was some concern that Ralph was also going to go solo and Ralph

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[SPEAKER_00]: has said that, you know, he, he wanted to put the group first, but he also wanted to try his hand at stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was almost like Biv had Johnny as a plan B, almost thinking Ralph was one foot out the door, but it seems like Ralph wasn't one foot out the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had this miscommunication with the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Johnny has said that that meeting that first meeting of him and Ralph was literally Ralph having no idea why he was there and brought to the session.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That isn't sane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty insane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, matter generally not the best at communication.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I was not, it's nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Send them a text message, bro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this was like 1980s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is way before the text messaging exists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, there, there was the sense that Ralph might be leaving the group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I remember reading in like one of the teen magazines in 1987 that he was busy recording a solo record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Internally within the band being like oh shit Ralph is going to leave like it was sort of public knowledge that Ralph was making his own record Um And I do think that you know Mike Biv was like okay, well, we need to continue as new addition because then what what else are we going to do right who we're going to get to replace Ralph and You know Johnny came into the picture and he was like okay not only do we have someone now who is like a strong vocalist and a strong frontman

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[SPEAKER_01]: get us out of like the teen group ghetto and into like a more mature sounding audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think maybe what they didn't count on was Ralph being like, okay, I'm a state.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other part of this and the reason why they really needed to hit out of the album, it biv, uh, I read a oral history of the recording of this album and biv said they were just getting out of a bad record deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a jump and shoot was that shoot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The production deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The production deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they owed so much money on back taxes and loans, and this and that, based on the deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they really needed this thing to succeed, so they could get out of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that, I'm sure that's part of the reason why Biv is like, got planned B, because without Ralph, the, you got,

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[SPEAKER_00]: B-B-D before B-B-D is ready to B-B-D right there like what are we gonna do and so you then Johnny Gilles your backup plan right you know that's the hustler's mentality man shout out to my Bivins yeah Okay almost blowing up the group but then and ended up doing the opposite of going up the group main group bigger than ever I was gonna save this for questions because I have a bunch of like just thoughts and questions and what ifs for you later but I think this kind of fits in right here

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how true this is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This comes out of Ricky Bell's mouth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've heard this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky Bell said, management wanted them to work with Teddy Riley instead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I doubt that because at the time, new edition started to record heartbreak, Teddy Riley wasn't a big name yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was working with Bobby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was working with Bobby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think MCA records are really investing a lot in Bobby Brown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be cruel as a flu, like, call everybody by surprise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I wasn't executive at MCA in 1987 or early 1988, I'd have been like, this new, we can bank on this new edition record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, jam and Lewis are proven dudes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just rescue Janet Jackson's career with control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're on this hot street.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's kind of put our money on them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Teddy Riley would have been to hip hop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and again, like I'm thinking back to like prior to my progative and guys for a stumbling all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Teddy Riley didn't really become known as a producer until like the beginning in 1988 when like Cuomo D came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he sweat came out and like just got paid, came out and those were his first real big hits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At that point, New Edition probably would have been in the recording process for heartbreak already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know that that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you did bring a young Teddy Riley onto this album, how does it change?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for the better or for the worse, like did they need

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[SPEAKER_00]: did they need this jam and Lewis bridge of how smart they were in piecing this thing together to change that sound because does if they go a little bit harder is the audience ready for that transition because it feels like jam and Lewis was like okay this needs to be kind of a gradual thing we need to show that we're mature and Teddy Riley would have been like nope boom we're going we're leaning a little way harder than

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jamin Lewis would have ultimately been more success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, between the two, the Jamin Lewis was the right decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they know how to structure songs in a certain way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They certainly have experienced working with in a group dynamic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't even part of the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were able to make the structure the album so that it followed kind of like a narrative arc.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know Jimmy Jam writes amazing melodies like I think that was the right decision and also from our commercial perspective again like the first real pop star with like hip hop appeal like huge pop star with hip hop appeal was Bobby and I think if new addition had been had hit that wave like right before it wouldn't have had the same effect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, how do you know the story of where Michael Bivins and Johnny Gill met for Biv to talk Johnny into joining the group?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I've heard it, but I don't remember it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was at a whispers concert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: battle areas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, when when they when they got together, Ralph had no idea what Johnny was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He felt back stabbed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And jam and Lewis had this idea of the quartet, which you would, which you said, they had already worked with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now you add this other voice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they have to change their game plan a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were also taken by surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Terry Lewis said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: A Gerald Busbee had asked them if they were going, he's, Gerald Busbee basically went up to them and said, hey, if you were going to sign a mail artist who would it be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Terry says that he and Jimmy both said Johnny Gill, and Gerald said, well, if I sign him, will you guys produce him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They said absolutely, and then Gerald went out and signed Johnny, but unbeknownst to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: his plan was to put Johnny in new addition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Terry says that it was also Gerald's idea to bring Johnny into new addition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, you know, one thing that happens, it gets lost at time, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are multiple truths.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It could happen a whole bunch of different ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, Johnny Johnny had put out three albums and none of them did especially well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: because Johnny's voice was older than he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that Johnny Gill was a great voice in search of a great record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and putting him in New Edition, ultimately benefited both entities, benefited, you know, JGN benefited any.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then obviously part of New Edition, a big part of New Edition is their stage act.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Brooke, Brooke Payne said that Johnny had two left feet, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've heard that story a bunch of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at the videos, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Johnny can, if you teach him steps, he can definitely dance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even if you look at like the video for rubby the right way like he's he's moving yeah he's got some rhythm i think he figured that he had to lean into this if it was going to be like it's kind of what was missing right it's what was missing from him previously is the showmanship and the stage stuff okay so like we said don't be cruel and heartbreak released on the same day guys album was the week before

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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't be cruel comes out and it is a juggernaut probably surprisingly so and it overshadows heartbreak at the time, especially from a sales perspective from a radio play like I was hearing

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the radio all the time out here and I almost never heard anything from heartbreak out here on radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like when don't be cruel came out, I almost didn't even really know that new edition had an album out at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how big don't be cruel was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which album do you like better?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I like heartbreak better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be cruel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also a lot of those songs, a lot of the hit singles and don't be crewed out, remixed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the remixes, which are the radio versions, are significantly better than the album versions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think cruel is not a bad album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But heartbreak, I think, is a more consistent album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's one maturity in the songwriting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just has a whole stick together a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, you know, this is the time of music videos being so popular, and that leaned more to Bobby, Bobby was a great showman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His music videos are very memorable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, new editions of music videos as well, they kind of tell an interesting story, which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: getting back together, doing this album, doing this big tour, and they would do a video for a song, and then it would kind of sync up to what they were really doing at the same time, which is kind of a cool concept.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, there's actually the same way there's like a narrative arc through the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The video, for if it isn't love, actually, segways into the video for you not my kind of girl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you move up a couple of steps in the video for any heartbreak, which I watched before we jumped online today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And before anything, I still can't believe there's a resting piece to Malcolm Jamal Warner, who directed and is in that video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it does kind of follow a story, but to your earlier point about Bobby being bigger than New Edition, I mean the main difference between the two is this is a time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when black artists still have to cross over to top 40 in order to gain mainstream success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bobby, for whatever reason, got the attention of pop radio with my prerogative specifically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And don't be cruel was, don't be cruel in heartbreak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of like neck and neck sales wise for a minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Bobby just kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: did this and blew up and I think that's because pop radio, top 40 radio really got behind all of the singles from Don't Be Cool, whereas the only pop hit from heartbreak was if it isn't love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: four of the songs from heartbreak were top five on B record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So heartbreak was definitely more of like an R&B record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't move moves like a bigger pop record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some some trivia that I'm interested if you if you know the answers to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what the last new edition album and just the mere fact that it's trivia means that this is not an obvious answer?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what the last new edition album was to feature Bobby's vocals?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, home again, I'm before, sorry, I should have stated before before heartbreak before that before heartbreak came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, all for love definitely, I mean, Bobby's on the cover and he definitely sings on it in between.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, after all for love, like right after off love, they released a Christmas album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bobby's on the cover of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that he's singing on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is singing on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That Christmas album comes out like two weeks after all for love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, which is kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all for love, historically, that tour is where the depicted scenes from the mini series are where he kind of takes over the stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's pissing guys off because he's

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[SPEAKER_00]: changing up the choreography and doing a little bit more sexually, you know, and they're just not on the same page which kind of leads to the room to them back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That may or may not be inaccurate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the first video for all for love is count me out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bobby is not in that video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ricky is singing Bobby's parts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Bobby may have already like somewhere between the time they shot the album cover.

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[SPEAKER_01]: recorded that video Bobby was kicked out of the group and a tour wouldn't have started until after that I don't think so you know again like I think maybe it's taking liberties with the timeline but who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we mentioned the, once in a lifetime, groove, that was on the running scared soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember who was in the movie, running scared?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I owned a soundtrack and I've seen the movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Gregory Heinz and Billy Crystal played cops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I remember correctly, buddy cop movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That if I think I've seen that on my Amazon Prime account, I'm like a step away from clicking on it because I do want to watch people there There's so many other movies that I want to watch, but I'm like, man, if I'm going to go back to a time in place 1986 or whenever that was I'm clicking on that movie You might it might be better things to do with that

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if there might be so many things that I go, oh my gosh, I can't believe there's this in this movie that I don't remember, but that might happen okay, so

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[SPEAKER_00]: under the blue moon, which is which is the album right before heartbreak, which is the reason why they do this album, like I mentioned, they do a version of Earth Angel on Cronicid 2 soundtrack, and it actually kind of...

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[SPEAKER_00]: get a little popular, and so that they, they'll say, well, let's do a version of covers of all of these old songs, and let's just make an album out of it, and they do, and that album off the strength of the earth angel record does a little bit, but it's not a success, and it's probably in hindsight, like, yeah, maybe that maybe that wasn't necessarily the right move, but what it does is it allows them to record that final album,

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[SPEAKER_00]: under jump and shoot, so that they can get out of that deal and then sign directly to MCA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always found that idea to be so interesting just because they were so young still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, the music industry is predatory, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they take advantage of people and here you got five kids from the projects in Boston, you know, all coming from, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they don't have law degrees, they're just thinking like money money money money money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we can get our family out the hood and like all the Southern stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe we're not thinking about the report and, you know, again, like the the predatory nature of a lot of the music business is like, I don't necessarily know that this production team came in and was like, let's screw these little kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they were certainly not necessarily looking in those little kids best interest more than they were looking

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[SPEAKER_01]: out for their own best interest, you know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, um, and I think, you know, over time it takes someone else looking in their best interest to be like, yeah, this deal is fucked up, like something's wrong here, something's wrong, and ultimately that's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, under the blue moon, that's why I say that Teddy would have been like a

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[SPEAKER_01]: The stink of under the blue moon because even at the time that it came out, it was so like Not contemporary to what was happening in music then right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it just put new addition in this weird place where it was like They were super core ball for a minute and then kind of had to like take baby steps to like jump out of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as opposed to going like hard left right with then so people who watch our video can see you have home again you have heartbreak do you own under blue moon on vinyl under the blue moon is the one new addition out my have never ever ever owned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've bought like every new edition album in the catalog more than one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have the Christmas album, but under the blue moon, I just have never been able to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've seen it, you know, you see in a record, there's like $3.5 dollars, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm never going to play this record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to pause for second here and just say, you know, part of this project,

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[SPEAKER_00]: creating a podcast feed, creating a YouTube channel, and getting community discussion about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am putting this podcast under my BSPN media, because

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've done a lot of work for BSPN media to try and do the community thing and we have a discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's under the Golden State hoop banner, which is a name of one of our podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a sports discord, but I would love to get more voices into pop culture, stuff, music, movies, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we are going to create a channel or under the discord for support of

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you are interested in joining the Discord Golden State hoop, send me an email, gg at bspnmedia.com and we'll get you in there and I think, you know, I was thinking of should we create a discord just for this podcast and it's so hard to get engagement and get people to join.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I already have something that exists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've already put money and time into it and so I

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going, you know, if you like sports as well, you will probably enjoy that discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, but we will focus stuff on this podcast and this project, this year-long project, which I hope it only takes us a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It might take us a little bit longer, so no big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we're both busy people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just want to say that, GG at BSPN Media.com, shoot me an email and we'll get you a invite to the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I have a bunch of questions that we will both sort of answer, but just to kind of keep the conversation going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what is your favorite song on this album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you stand the rain?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's a beautiful song, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you know, like that song used to make me like cry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's such like a well constructed song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's really the first time you get to hear Ralph and Johnny sing together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think that is very important and shout out to Ricky for, you know, holding his 30 seconds of the song down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, you know, I like Ricky Bell's voice a lot, but that's all probably also because of the poison out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just love the the first BBD album, a ton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so hearing his voice takes me back to that time frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he is overshadowed by two bigger powerhouses, of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, when you have a group with multiple singers, I mean, how do you shine?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, shout out to Ricky Bell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to Soy Domenicano, shout out to Ricky Bell, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know somebody who is friends with Ricky's wife and when I I know them through social media not like we're friends or anything, but very nice lady and she would tell me stories about like

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[SPEAKER_00]: what it's like, you know, being married to Ricky Bell and some other guy can I can imagine like it's dude is, you know, his career in certain points of his career, he's super duper famous and certain points of his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not famous at all, just based on how celebrity works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's pretty interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Ricky Bell is like, he was kind of on that threshold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Ricky Bell was not Bobby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was not Ralph.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was not Johnny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then he had the BBD stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in some instances, he was even maybe at times more popular than them, but he's not the one that's called out when you mentioned who's in New Edition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of like at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: make an argument.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people can make an argument that if it isn't love is the best song in the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would agree with you that can you stand the rain is my favorite song as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of those arguments though is

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to hear bibs say, let's go get well, it isn't love, but some people like that part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get I get a kick out of that part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a funny part to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another question here, is there song that doesn't fit either musically or thematically?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one song that I am not crazy about on that album is competition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because we're on the same wavelength.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's that it doesn't fit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were, you know, new addition and Jimmy and Terry were looking for a song that addressed the controversy of Bobby not being in the group anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that was a song that did I also think it was the only song on the album that any of the members of new addition wrote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I think they needed because heartbreak was meant to be such like an autobiographical record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, and because the controversy about Bobby leaving was very much in the head of fans, I think they needed to have that on their to address it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got a good title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I heard it, I was like, why is Kenny Gip in this bitch?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the, the vol, if you listen to the, to the, uh, the lyrics and stuff, it doesn't make sense as to why that it's on the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, that's the way we're living.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think new kids on the block kind of was like shots fired?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think so just because new kids weren't popular yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, speaking in 1988, like hanging tough came out that summer and then by like the beginning of 1989,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I don't, I mean, yes and no, but there are a lot of other groups that had sort of come out in the wake of new edition success that some would say kind of copied them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a group called four by four that was really popular in like 1987 and it was four dudes singing in dance and kind of sounded like new edition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, four synthies was really big

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though they were like more boys cement than new addition like they were a harmony group, but they still kind of had some similarities there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think new addition was basically like look, we're at the head of this train for all these kind of like teenage male groups coming out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if You're going to copy us like is a form of respect, just remember that is that we're we're in all started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is little an accurate because the jacks have five would have been we're at all started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hanging tough comes out a couple months later, but there's a long time for this thing to kind of blow up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, from a timing perspective, yeah, you're probably right about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, New Edition would have known that New Kids on the Block existed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you think Maurice was hitting him up and saying,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got five dudes, just like you except the right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but Boston is small.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and they would have even like heard through the grapevine or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in the realist, the reality is that if there was no new addition, there would not be a new kids on the block, like new kids were created in response to new addition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, next question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything that changes from the perspective of what happens to these guys after?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is an unanswerable question, but just an unanswerable question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if Ralph doesn't threaten to go solo and they're just like, nope, the four of us, we need to we need to do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Johnny's not even part of the picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the future of this thing, I kind of wonder if they

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[SPEAKER_00]: just do they just keep going like but Johnny's not the one who caused problems either so Johnny's like just part of the deal so I don't know I don't know if anything changes probably very similarly things things happen the way that they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so too I think heartbreak still ends up getting made you know maybe they do a record with baby phase who was you know who had worked on Bobby's album and then ended up working on Johnny's album and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and who was doing a lot of work with MCA artists around that time, you know, maybe they do a record with Teddy, who knows, like I still think new edition would have been relevant in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.

59:13.069 --> 59:19.136
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this is a question that you and I have probably discussed in our past.

59:20.357 --> 59:22.860
[SPEAKER_00]: Should Ralph Trezvett had had a better solo career?

59:24.381 --> 59:24.601
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

59:25.723 --> 59:26.143
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

59:28.047 --> 59:29.428
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's where Ralph messed up.

59:33.191 --> 59:36.654
[SPEAKER_01]: He was, I mean, I shouldn't say he messed up.

59:37.215 --> 59:42.059
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's why I think Ralph's career did not go as well as the others did.

59:42.440 --> 59:44.161
[SPEAKER_01]: One, he was the last to come out, right?

59:44.822 --> 59:47.004
[SPEAKER_01]: So at a certain point, like there's exhaustion, right?

59:47.484 --> 59:50.286
[SPEAKER_00]: There and did the worst sales of the house, right?

59:50.507 --> 59:52.268
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's the first thing he's the last to come out.

59:52.728 --> 59:56.772
[SPEAKER_01]: Second, BBD's album didn't sound like a new addition album.

59:57.595 --> 01:00:00.398
[SPEAKER_01]: Bobby's album didn't sound like a new addition album.

01:00:00.799 --> 01:00:02.621
[SPEAKER_01]: Ralph was the voice of new addition.

01:00:03.162 --> 01:00:09.068
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not really hearing a difference between a Ralph solo record and a new addition record.

01:00:09.389 --> 01:00:13.373
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Ralph is doing the majority of the singing on the new addition record.

01:00:13.514 --> 01:00:19.881
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is pretty common knowledge among fans, maybe not to the general public, but Ralph sang a lot of the background vocals too.

01:00:20.402 --> 01:00:24.126
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's not even if he listened to,

01:00:24.697 --> 01:00:25.679
[SPEAKER_01]: the first Ralph transmit.

01:00:25.699 --> 01:00:29.306
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, like this sounds like a new addition record, like there's not much difference.

01:00:29.827 --> 01:00:32.191
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like a new addition record.

01:00:33.794 --> 01:00:43.954
[SPEAKER_00]: But Ralph's persona is a little, I don't mean soft in a pejorative way.

01:00:44.002 --> 01:00:45.964
[SPEAKER_00]: but he's a little softer as a human being.

01:00:45.984 --> 01:00:47.847
[SPEAKER_00]: Genital, genital, genital, genital, genital guy.

01:00:48.007 --> 01:00:50.369
[SPEAKER_00]: The lead thingal is called sensitivity.

01:00:51.190 --> 01:01:07.910
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that kind of, I don't know if it ages him or if it puts him in like this like quiet storms, kind of genre or whatever, but it didn't feel like this like step forward necessarily, I think as much as the other guys did.

01:01:08.451 --> 01:01:12.135
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I mean, BBD, part of the reason BBD blew up

01:01:12.740 --> 01:01:39.861
[SPEAKER_01]: album was good but also it was like oh shit these are the dudes from new edition yeah like this is in the hip hop production yeah yeah and then I guess the other thing of it is that you know Ralph too took too long to come out with a second album and when it did come out it was not very good and then he tried to lean real hard into this like pimps yeah kind of thing and a correction my skin yeah over correction that's a perfect word perfect word yes

01:01:40.364 --> 01:01:46.854
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I would love, uh, I would have loved to have heard another good Ralph President record.

01:01:48.236 --> 01:01:51.261
[SPEAKER_00]: I bought this album on BMG, I'm talking about Ralph's album.

01:01:52.042 --> 01:01:59.293
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I probably listened to it more in this time frame than all the others except for the BBD album.

01:02:00.535 --> 01:02:08.447
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, so I put it on the other day and I was like, I wonder how I'm going to feel about it.

01:02:09.355 --> 01:02:14.826
[SPEAKER_00]: The Ralph and the reception to the album is just what you said.

01:02:14.975 --> 01:02:16.216
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's the same old stuff.

01:02:16.276 --> 01:02:18.599
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of tired like there's no engine.

01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:20.161
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing creative about it.

01:02:21.122 --> 01:02:27.189
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I've always had this idea of like, oh, yeah, I listened to the hell out of it and maybe it wasn't my favorite album.

01:02:27.269 --> 01:02:33.135
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder how my 2025 as we are recording this ears are gonna hear it.

01:02:33.836 --> 01:02:35.738
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked it a lot.

01:02:36.219 --> 01:02:37.801
[SPEAKER_00]: And listen to it again.

01:02:37.841 --> 01:02:43.547
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's the jam and Louis stuff because they're also involved in that album as well.

01:02:43.527 --> 01:02:46.814
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, so I was just surprised at how much I liked it.

01:02:46.914 --> 01:02:49.218
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't necessarily the slow stuff.

01:02:49.299 --> 01:02:51.784
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the faster stuff that I really enjoyed.

01:02:52.665 --> 01:02:55.732
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then how would I tape out back.

01:02:55.892 --> 01:02:57.154
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

01:02:57.455 --> 01:02:58.818
[SPEAKER_00]: But but also think about it.

01:02:58.918 --> 01:03:00.962
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we're talking about music videos.

01:03:00.942 --> 01:03:04.707
[SPEAKER_00]: Ralph is in these like silks and like these colors and stuff.

01:03:04.728 --> 01:03:07.752
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a, you know, it's a different thing than what some of the other guys were doing.

01:03:07.772 --> 01:03:09.334
[SPEAKER_00]: That might have been just a little bit cooler.

01:03:09.394 --> 01:03:14.041
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he kind of maybe uncooled himself to his, his fan base.

01:03:14.061 --> 01:03:16.344
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he kind of grew up a little too fast for them.

01:03:16.365 --> 01:03:27.000
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he was just very much playing like, like this smooth kind of like ladies man kind of kind of thing.

01:03:28.668 --> 01:03:30.670
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, again, like the album was successful.

01:03:30.790 --> 01:03:33.894
[SPEAKER_01]: It was commercially successful and qualitatively.

01:03:34.054 --> 01:03:34.875
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a good record.

01:03:35.616 --> 01:03:40.221
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but then you take like poison and don't be cruel in that Johnny album.

01:03:40.902 --> 01:03:44.126
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's maybe like a little bit tiny bit of a drop off.

01:03:45.347 --> 01:03:51.093
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you, I, I'm asking you this as if I don't know the question, but I will ask this to you just so the audience.

01:03:51.113 --> 01:03:51.494
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's it.

01:03:51.994 --> 01:03:55.238
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember the show up all night with Patty LeBell?

01:03:55.358 --> 01:03:55.999
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

01:03:56.019 --> 01:03:56.920
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:03:57.625 --> 01:04:04.694
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I not give it to Fox, Vivica A Fox, like just insane that they were on that show, by the way.

01:04:05.495 --> 01:04:05.675
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

01:04:06.396 --> 01:04:14.085
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a storyline that Vivica A Fox's character was kind of sick of dating the kind of guys that she was dating.

01:04:14.526 --> 01:04:16.208
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was more chestnut on that too.

01:04:16.829 --> 01:04:17.129
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:04:18.110 --> 01:04:27.582
[SPEAKER_00]: We're on that show too.

01:04:27.865 --> 01:04:31.654
[SPEAKER_00]: and he leans in hard to the sensitive dude.

01:04:32.335 --> 01:04:43.581
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she's dating Kadeem Hardison's character who's so very specifically leaning into the sensitivity to offset what Viviget Fox doesn't like about the current people that she's dating.

01:04:44.002 --> 01:04:46.448
[SPEAKER_00]: And she comes to the realization of like,

01:04:46.428 --> 01:05:03.542
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe he was a little bit too sensitive and every time I think about Ralph, that's what I think about is this episode of of up all night maybe Ralph was too sensitive and people weren't ready for it yet like if he drops that album today, I wonder if it if it hits a little bit differently.

01:05:05.328 --> 01:05:14.000
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was also rated R. So yeah, you know, but the rated R part kind of felt fake.

01:05:14.541 --> 01:05:31.845
[SPEAKER_00]: If you thought about him from new addition and from the first single and do what I got to do, you know, when he does rated R and Stone Cold gentlemen, it seems like, okay, is he doing this to offset this other stuff or like, why is he doing it?

01:05:32.166 --> 01:05:33.107
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, by the way,

01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:36.282
[SPEAKER_00]: actually really enjoy it when Ralph and Bobby rap.

01:05:36.603 --> 01:05:36.943
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:05:37.984 --> 01:05:38.665
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like it.

01:05:39.065 --> 01:05:40.967
[SPEAKER_01]: They are talented MCs.

01:05:41.347 --> 01:05:41.647
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:05:41.668 --> 01:05:55.601
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm listening to a whole Ralph or Bobby rap album, but, you know, for tracks in Italian, we're to the mother, like the diverse that they do together is, you know, my favorite of all the, the, you know, rap verses there are on that record.

01:05:55.781 --> 01:06:02.908
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they should

01:06:03.766 --> 01:06:09.960
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, now unanswerable question again, but kind of fun thing to think about.

01:06:10.601 --> 01:06:16.294
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, out of all those six dudes were talking about six guys now, who do you think?

01:06:18.379 --> 01:06:23.530
[SPEAKER_00]: Not who was the most popular because we know at that point that was that was Bobby Brown.

01:06:24.269 --> 01:06:26.832
[SPEAKER_00]: But who do you think kind of had the best game?

01:06:26.872 --> 01:06:33.782
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, who was like the flyest of all those dudes when it came to being swath and with the ladies and all that?

01:06:33.882 --> 01:06:36.345
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, who do you think was the one?

01:06:36.365 --> 01:06:46.879
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if they're like, oh, all these dudes going into the club together, of course Bobby's the most famous, but who kind of slides their way in and is like, everyone kind of goes towards that person?

01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:48.060
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Ralph.

01:06:48.581 --> 01:06:50.023
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like,

01:06:53.092 --> 01:07:01.300
[SPEAKER_01]: putting myself into the mindset of like a young woman in the early 90s and all six dudes from New Edition walk into a club.

01:07:03.303 --> 01:07:21.141
[SPEAKER_01]: You know Bobby's the most famous dude but Bobby's also like rough around me and like yeah aggressively rough around the edges and a little bit ratchet and you know there's if you have a bad boy fetish you're gonna mess with Bobby.

01:07:22.133 --> 01:07:37.527
[SPEAKER_01]: But Ralph has swag knows how to dress, you know, presumably is going to treat you very well, you know, is kind of like young and angular and fit.

01:07:39.169 --> 01:07:51.060
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Ralph, it feels like Ralph would have, you know, if you do all six of them in a club and had like go off in different directions and let me know how many numbers you come back with, Ralph would have probably come back with the most numbers.

01:07:51.952 --> 01:07:56.663
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think you're, I think you're right, who does the worst?

01:07:58.482 --> 01:07:59.203
[SPEAKER_00]: did probably.

01:08:00.584 --> 01:08:01.826
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're going to say, Biff.

01:08:02.306 --> 01:08:03.848
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just going to start talking business.

01:08:05.230 --> 01:08:13.319
[SPEAKER_00]: Biff probably does the best with the fellas, though, as far as just like hanging out because he's talking who he's talking about his his him playing ball.

01:08:13.339 --> 01:08:14.560
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a big sports guy.

01:08:14.600 --> 01:08:18.745
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he probably connects and gauges with it with the homies a little bit better.

01:08:18.765 --> 01:08:21.348
[SPEAKER_01]: But Biff is a politics or he is the.

01:08:23.991 --> 01:08:24.852
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the glue guy.

01:08:25.293 --> 01:08:25.553
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:08:26.461 --> 01:08:30.907
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, you know, Vivint running game on on on ladies.

01:08:32.910 --> 01:08:34.873
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, okay.

01:08:36.495 --> 01:08:39.179
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, how many times you see in these dudes in concert?

01:08:40.080 --> 01:08:40.420
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, twice.

01:08:40.981 --> 01:08:41.442
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:08:41.462 --> 01:08:45.007
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what's the potentially a third time next year?

01:08:46.088 --> 01:08:46.809
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, yeah.

01:08:46.829 --> 01:08:47.250
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

01:08:47.750 --> 01:08:47.911
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:47.931 --> 01:08:51.035
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause they're going to be with Tony with Tony and boys to men.

01:08:51.475 --> 01:08:51.696
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:51.956 --> 01:08:54.780
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I saw them in.

01:08:57.697 --> 01:08:59.480
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the night they got assigned to bad boy.

01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:02.564
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would have been 03.

01:09:02.865 --> 01:09:04.447
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw them in 03 at the Apollo.

01:09:05.268 --> 01:09:08.353
[SPEAKER_01]: No, at the Beacon Theater in New York or wasn't theater.

01:09:08.373 --> 01:09:18.708
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is nobody, just, but you know, this is nobody, and then I saw them in Boston maybe 2013.

01:09:18.728 --> 01:09:25.678
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was all six, but Bobby left this show early.

01:09:27.143 --> 01:09:27.543
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

01:09:28.705 --> 01:09:28.805
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:28.825 --> 01:09:35.952
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've seen them all six twice the same tour that you saw.

01:09:37.053 --> 01:09:46.342
[SPEAKER_00]: Bobby, we were not sure if he was going to be there because this is when his daughter passed away, I believe.

01:09:46.903 --> 01:09:50.106
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there was some concern about whether he was going to be there or not.

01:09:50.126 --> 01:09:53.910
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will give this man so much credit

01:09:55.139 --> 01:09:58.763
[SPEAKER_00]: You can tell, I mean, of course, he's like emotional.

01:10:00.084 --> 01:10:05.790
[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually, he talks about this, I heard him when he was on Sean Stockman's podcast.

01:10:05.810 --> 01:10:22.007
[SPEAKER_00]: He talked about this a little bit in that, you know, sometimes he will just take some songs off because he's tired or whatever he goes off to the side and the other guys don't skip a beat, by the way, they, but,

01:10:22.814 --> 01:10:26.198
[SPEAKER_00]: we were watching him specifically because we were not sure if he was going to be there.

01:10:27.660 --> 01:10:30.363
[SPEAKER_00]: And he leaves the stage a lot.

01:10:31.725 --> 01:10:42.197
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes, you know, he kind of, you can tell he's just kind of like catch in his breath or he's like on his, you know, hands on his knees, but you can just tell like emotionally, like he's just trying to be there.

01:10:43.099 --> 01:10:50.087
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know, for all of the things that people will say about him or

01:10:50.236 --> 01:11:07.215
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt for that dude so much in that moment and that was the most memorable thing about that show which was a great show by the way, I love that show and I recently saw them in Oakland and that that story is I bought tickets it was

01:11:08.461 --> 01:11:10.744
[SPEAKER_00]: Charlie Uncle Charlie was there.

01:11:11.425 --> 01:11:12.807
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe to see was there.

01:11:12.887 --> 01:11:16.332
[SPEAKER_00]: One, one other act and then new addition.

01:11:17.453 --> 01:11:19.596
[SPEAKER_00]: But Crystal didn't want to go.

01:11:19.636 --> 01:11:22.039
[SPEAKER_00]: Or she had something to do like I don't remember.

01:11:22.320 --> 01:11:23.962
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had like this extra ticket.

01:11:24.923 --> 01:11:28.708
[SPEAKER_00]: And so my friend was like, hey, I saw that you had this extra ticket.

01:11:29.550 --> 01:11:31.833
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a friend who is interested in going.

01:11:31.993 --> 01:11:33.214
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yeah, she could have my ticket.

01:11:33.235 --> 01:11:33.675
[SPEAKER_00]: No biggie.

01:11:33.715 --> 01:11:37.320
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not going to sell it.

01:11:37.553 --> 01:11:51.883
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who this person is, but it's somebody that my friend Aubrey had done, she she was on the radar, that's with way back in the day and so we get there and introduce how nice to meet you all this and she's checking her phone and she's like, hey,

01:11:53.028 --> 01:11:56.672
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a text from my aunt who was supposed to be here.

01:11:57.613 --> 01:11:58.654
[SPEAKER_00]: She can't be here.

01:11:58.714 --> 01:12:00.056
[SPEAKER_00]: She just sent me her tickets.

01:12:00.196 --> 01:12:04.500
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to, if it's a better seat than this one, do you want to go sit down there?

01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:08.885
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, yeah, I don't have any, like, you know, I don't have to sit here where we are.

01:12:08.925 --> 01:12:11.288
[SPEAKER_00]: And we had fine seats, but we didn't have like the best seats.

01:12:12.729 --> 01:12:14.171
[SPEAKER_00]: We see, get to these tickets.

01:12:15.993 --> 01:12:17.154
[SPEAKER_00]: On the floor, second row.

01:12:17.495 --> 01:12:18.876
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, all right.

01:12:19.297 --> 01:12:20.638
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like,

01:12:22.323 --> 01:12:51.587
[SPEAKER_00]: at 10 feet away from these dudes like it's insane how close they are with me to me and to see them up close and to see how these dudes, how in shape they are, how the choreography is so on point, like these guys are like their professional musicians obviously, they are, they are also professional

01:12:52.023 --> 01:12:56.850
[SPEAKER_00]: stage men, their professional show touring artists show men.

01:12:58.032 --> 01:12:59.615
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, it's just perfection.

01:12:59.855 --> 01:13:04.041
[SPEAKER_00]: Like to think about how much time goes into all of the steps and everything.

01:13:04.061 --> 01:13:10.632
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I know a lot of the stuff is that it's probably just ingrained in their brain from when they were kids, but man, I was just so impressed.

01:13:10.672 --> 01:13:17.242
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you guys are in your early 50s and you guys are going so hard.

01:13:17.462 --> 01:13:19.044
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the crazy thing, man.

01:13:19.145 --> 01:13:20.747
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, first of all, first of all,

01:13:21.115 --> 01:13:49.536
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's give some props to Bobby Brown because 20 years ago, if you'd have gone, this is going to sound horrible, let's say, if you've gone down the list of musicians and been like, here's 10 musicians, only one of them is going to be alive in 20 years, and Bobby Brown was on that list, you would not have picked Bobby Brown, and here's Bobby, like, you know,

01:13:49.938 --> 01:14:05.972
[SPEAKER_01]: still on tour, still singing, has had heart attacks, has had strokes, lost his ex-wife, lost two children, and it's still out there doing it, and trying to be his best self, all like Bobby is in inspiration, so like you got to give Bobby props.

01:14:06.573 --> 01:14:19.624
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just given like the whole group props, like here dudes, you know, these dudes are now pushing 60, I think Johnny

01:14:20.228 --> 01:14:29.382
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're still out there still step in, they can recreate all of that choreography and, you know, you're right, they got to be in fucking ridiculous shape.

01:14:30.203 --> 01:14:48.632
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but also just, you know, they're out there doing it and, you know, you got to give them props for, and I'm sure some of the reason they're still out there doing is because they need the money.

01:14:48.916 --> 01:15:01.956
[SPEAKER_01]: love to have for each other like it's so inspirational to see like you know when I was 12 years old I wouldn't have thought that like I'm pushing 50 and I'm still talking about new addition and I'm going and go see them in concert next year.

01:15:02.016 --> 01:15:02.577
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand.

01:15:03.438 --> 01:15:04.860
[SPEAKER_00]: So do they ever do that?

01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:06.923
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they ever need to put out new music?

01:15:07.745 --> 01:15:08.646
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they would.

01:15:08.930 --> 01:15:09.511
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me too.

01:15:09.932 --> 01:15:14.622
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they would and what was the song on Johnny's album where they all got back together.

01:15:14.642 --> 01:15:18.349
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this one's for me and you that song is amazing song.

01:15:18.710 --> 01:15:22.217
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, and I was talking to a coworker about this recently.

01:15:22.257 --> 01:15:25.744
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a whole there's our age people that aren't being served.

01:15:25.784 --> 01:15:27.107
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:15:27.796 --> 01:15:39.213
[SPEAKER_01]: All of these R&B artists, you know, are still alive and still doing things, you know, you've got new additions, you got WV, you've got Tony, you got voice to men, you know, key sweat, you know, all these people are still around.

01:15:41.096 --> 01:15:53.415
[SPEAKER_01]: Find some people who write and you know, get baby face, get jamming loose and like put a record together and put out new music, don't auto tune it, don't, you know, get a million rappers to be on it.

01:15:53.699 --> 01:15:56.686
[SPEAKER_01]: just make a record for your audience.

01:15:56.706 --> 01:15:58.249
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it won't sell, I don't know.

01:15:58.790 --> 01:16:03.160
[SPEAKER_01]: But your audience is going to be satisfied because we're in the desert starving right now.

01:16:03.702 --> 01:16:05.846
[SPEAKER_01]: And live performances can only do so much.

01:16:06.287 --> 01:16:10.637
[SPEAKER_01]: But it would be nice to have a CD or a record to like, take on, do like them.

01:16:10.657 --> 01:16:12.822
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a new new addition record, Niship Banks.

01:16:13.274 --> 01:16:14.216
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

01:16:14.256 --> 01:16:14.677
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.

01:16:15.498 --> 01:16:18.624
[SPEAKER_00]: And you always hear that, you know, I think he was a coach.

01:16:18.644 --> 01:16:22.992
[SPEAKER_00]: You can go all the way back to like 2017 and Johnny's like, yeah, we're still working on our album.

01:16:23.012 --> 01:16:24.715
[SPEAKER_00]: I like, bro, it's like eight years.

01:16:24.755 --> 01:16:25.877
[SPEAKER_00]: You need anything.

01:16:26.298 --> 01:16:31.688
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know they were like, maybe right after the mini series, they were making a record.

01:16:32.242 --> 01:16:35.988
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, then they can make after that and they had all the chaos too.

01:16:36.008 --> 01:16:48.909
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember how they who owned the name of the group and then they split off the heads of state together and then they split off with the BBD and Bobby together and then I guess now their friends again at least.

01:16:48.929 --> 01:16:53.797
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, look, you know, you make more paper together and you do separate.

01:16:54.078 --> 01:16:56.361
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we still got a split at six ways.

01:16:56.381 --> 01:16:57.483
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the crazy part.

01:16:58.505 --> 01:16:58.705
[UNKNOWN]: All right.

01:16:59.208 --> 01:17:02.895
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you're making somebody a mixed tape.

01:17:03.676 --> 01:17:14.497
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Lord, but this, this is, this is part of our, our history of this 50 years because there was a time when we were making more mixed tapes than we can remember, right?

01:17:14.517 --> 01:17:19.326
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I, we might have made each other a mixed CD at some point.

01:17:19.346 --> 01:17:21.570
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure we did.

01:17:22.698 --> 01:17:28.365
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the one song from this album that has to be on that mix tape?

01:17:28.485 --> 01:17:33.010
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, what is the theme of that mix tape that you're going to make?

01:17:41.259 --> 01:17:45.164
[SPEAKER_01]: So, my sleeper song on the album is I'm coming home.

01:17:46.145 --> 01:17:52.232
[SPEAKER_01]: That is like my favorite not single on that record.

01:17:52.752 --> 01:17:57.898
[SPEAKER_01]: And that went on a lot, I used to make slow jam next tapes on a regular, I used to make them from my friends.

01:17:58.338 --> 01:18:21.645
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and you know, I'm coming home would go perfectly on like, you're, you know, you're in a long distance relationship and you want to send something to your partner to your beloved that lets them know you're going to see them.

01:18:21.777 --> 01:18:32.270
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's gonna be on the I'm coming home mixtape that that's the name of the mixtape I'm coming home That's the first first or the last song All right, can I can I make an argument?

01:18:32.751 --> 01:18:50.974
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes for the interlude where he goes don't don't don't do Where he's imitating he's imitating Michael If that is on something and I hear it I will not just be in a good happy place like

01:18:51.427 --> 01:18:54.831
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys act cool on the interludes really.

01:18:55.272 --> 01:18:57.214
[SPEAKER_00]: I just love that on the album.

01:18:57.234 --> 01:19:08.028
[SPEAKER_00]: It's silly It's what what is it what do they say about the ox Give hit the ox button, but yeah, and for the longest time I was like what the hell is the out button?

01:19:08.068 --> 01:19:19.662
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what this album is and then I realized it was ox But yeah, but yeah, but yeah, that whole Just get that you were referring to there's a part in the Jackson's live album

01:19:20.013 --> 01:19:26.200
[SPEAKER_01]: right before Michael sings Brock with you, where he's like, don't don't don't don't don't don't don't do.

01:19:26.220 --> 01:19:27.262
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's where that comes.

01:19:27.362 --> 01:19:28.843
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, yep, yep.

01:19:28.863 --> 01:19:30.786
[SPEAKER_01]: And even at the NSA, like MJ audition.

01:19:31.306 --> 01:19:32.187
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.

01:19:32.207 --> 01:19:33.729
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

01:19:33.849 --> 01:19:34.210
[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

01:19:35.271 --> 01:19:46.324
[SPEAKER_00]: I know the answer to this, but I'm just going to ask it anyways, because so it would be what eight years later, they get together all six of them for the home again album.

01:19:48.818 --> 01:19:50.019
[SPEAKER_00]: Heartbreak is a better album.

01:19:51.641 --> 01:19:56.367
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, but where like how close is home again to you?

01:19:56.567 --> 01:20:01.052
[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you actually like home again better than heartbreak?

01:20:01.072 --> 01:20:16.750
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, man, so, I think home again as a cohesive album,

01:20:18.417 --> 01:20:18.818
[SPEAKER_01]: man.

01:20:20.941 --> 01:20:24.427
[SPEAKER_01]: There is nothing on home again that says good as if it isn't love or can you stand the rain.

01:20:25.569 --> 01:20:28.254
[SPEAKER_01]: But I can listen to home again pretty much straight through.

01:20:28.274 --> 01:20:30.578
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also no competition on home again.

01:20:31.660 --> 01:20:35.126
[SPEAKER_01]: So the highs aren't as high but the lows aren't as low either.

01:20:36.649 --> 01:20:36.949
[SPEAKER_01]: I

01:20:37.132 --> 01:20:47.545
[SPEAKER_01]: When home again came I was so amped because I, you know, huge new addition fan had sat through all of the solar albums, bought all of the solar albums and it was like, I can't wait for these dudes to get back together.

01:20:48.106 --> 01:20:56.196
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was so hyped up on that album coming out and, um, I think it's a pretty good.

01:20:56.216 --> 01:20:57.638
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a really, really good record.

01:20:58.780 --> 01:21:03.966
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, heartbreak has more like emotional impact to me.

01:21:04.066 --> 01:21:06.109
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, like if it isn't love, can you stand the rain?

01:21:06.697 --> 01:21:13.003
[SPEAKER_01]: are just to like iconic songs and home again, doesn't have like that one iconic song.

01:21:13.483 --> 01:21:17.927
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, that's a Sophie's choice.

01:21:18.047 --> 01:21:20.449
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I can really choose between one of the other.

01:21:21.891 --> 01:21:25.234
[SPEAKER_00]: Heartbreak is a more cohesive record.

01:21:25.274 --> 01:21:28.557
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's because of the jam and Lewis.

01:21:29.257 --> 01:21:29.517
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:21:30.458 --> 01:21:34.662
[SPEAKER_00]: Jam and Lewis are on this album as well.

01:21:34.810 --> 01:21:40.257
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, that they are from beginning to end kind of in charge of of heartbreak.

01:21:41.539 --> 01:21:47.346
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still in love with you is pretty close, I think, to the best of heartbreak.

01:21:48.327 --> 01:22:04.648
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are some great songs, like even like the song home again, which is really like New Edition talking about, hey, you know, we've been through our ups and downs, but we still love each other, we still care about each other, it's good to be in the same group again, like that's

01:22:05.067 --> 01:22:32.070
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we could do with a little bit less remaining to pre and puffy that is the negative of home again, yeah, but that's also what albums were in 1996, yeah, where it was less of a cohesive story and more of like a, you need to work with this person and this person and this person to hit, you know, they you may be able to get radio play because of this person.

01:22:33.873 --> 01:22:36.821
[SPEAKER_00]: I really, really love one more day as well.

01:22:37.121 --> 01:22:38.765
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a nice song on that album.

01:22:39.207 --> 01:22:46.465
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it just takes advantage of, you know, what new edition is just really great at as a group.

01:22:46.883 --> 01:23:07.491
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know, you know, they're there stuff on there where you're like, okay, this is 1996, 1997 for those kind of ears that you don't have on heartbreak right, you know, I was thinking that you were going to say heartbreak blows it away and I was going to have some argument for home again, but I like both albums too and yeah, think about home again.

01:23:09.428 --> 01:23:27.893
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel, now again, this is me being in my own universe, I feel like the idea of these guys coming back to record another album should have been way bigger than it was, but I know that some of this was they all weren't on the same page at the same time, like imagine if they were all on the same page.

01:23:28.987 --> 01:23:39.642
[SPEAKER_00]: I would I would hate to say like they are now because they could all be off the same page, you know, at some point, but when they are on the same page, it is like special, man.

01:23:39.862 --> 01:23:43.467
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, and that album should have been.

01:23:46.291 --> 01:23:46.972
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a big album.

01:23:46.992 --> 01:23:58.048
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the only number one record, you know, was a multi-platinum record like huge seller, but I think it could have, I certainly think could have done better.

01:24:00.340 --> 01:24:10.209
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they would just kind of like young, you know, they're in their late 20s and they're feeling themselves and they had this solar success and they're not used to split in shit five or six ways again.

01:24:10.249 --> 01:24:16.235
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're also way more famous than they were, and they were previously together.

01:24:16.295 --> 01:24:30.128
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I think ego, you know, and obviously Bobby had whatever issues he was having at that time, yeah, it just, you know, I don't think any of them remember that time very fondly.

01:24:31.222 --> 01:24:35.878
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I remember Johnny saying like after the tour he lost his house or something like that.

01:24:35.918 --> 01:24:40.675
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just because they, I think they ended up going into going into debt.

01:24:41.532 --> 01:24:49.584
[SPEAKER_00]: because they bailed a couple of the guys bailed and then they had to finish the tour as like a force or something, right?

01:24:49.604 --> 01:24:53.830
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I think Bobby and Mike or Bobby and Ronnie both left the tour.

01:24:53.910 --> 01:24:54.631
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Mike.

01:24:54.831 --> 01:24:57.535
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, at least from what I read it was Mike.

01:24:57.976 --> 01:25:04.706
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of crazy that you come back together to do this thing that you think is going to help you and it then it hurts you.

01:25:05.046 --> 01:25:05.306
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:25:05.326 --> 01:25:08.411
[SPEAKER_00]: And we as the audience don't really see that, we just remember the elbow.

01:25:09.773 --> 01:25:09.933
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:25:10.514 --> 01:25:11.235
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:25:13.156 --> 01:25:14.237
[SPEAKER_00]: to have no, okay.

01:25:14.257 --> 01:25:16.379
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wanted to save this for the end.

01:25:17.020 --> 01:25:18.101
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:25:18.141 --> 01:25:28.191
[SPEAKER_00]: 2017, BET, new edition story, their story, and I think it's three episode mini series.

01:25:31.134 --> 01:25:35.338
[SPEAKER_00]: The one that we have to compare it to is the Jackson American family one.

01:25:35.938 --> 01:25:37.880
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of the new edition mini series?

01:25:38.481 --> 01:25:42.825
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the

01:25:43.463 --> 01:25:44.645
[SPEAKER_01]: what was I doing in 2017?

01:25:46.307 --> 01:25:47.969
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have access to BET.

01:25:47.989 --> 01:25:56.922
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know that I saw that many series until maybe like five years ago might have been one of the pandemic watches.

01:25:57.843 --> 01:25:59.585
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was done really well.

01:26:03.070 --> 01:26:11.682
[SPEAKER_01]: I as a general rule don't like biopics because they are fictionalized

01:26:12.488 --> 01:26:14.291
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but I thought it was entertaining.

01:26:14.712 --> 01:26:20.180
[SPEAKER_01]: I think more than the mini series there have been a thing was like a behind the music on new edition that I thought was really good.

01:26:20.200 --> 01:26:27.452
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there have been a couple of things where they've just interviewed the guys are like posted like interview clips and stuff like that to tell the story.

01:26:27.492 --> 01:26:32.640
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've liked those more, but the mini series I thought was fine like it was entertaining.

01:26:33.818 --> 01:26:41.591
[SPEAKER_00]: The mini series actually spawned off a Bobby Brown version by the same dude who plays Bobby.

01:26:41.931 --> 01:26:44.736
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't watch that one, but I heard it was entertaining as well.

01:26:44.816 --> 01:26:47.740
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched, I might have watched like one episode of that.

01:26:48.041 --> 01:26:51.206
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was maybe two episodes of the mini series and I watched the first one.

01:26:51.466 --> 01:26:58.678
[SPEAKER_01]: But also, I mean, I read Bobby's book, so, you know, I know enough of that story anyway.

01:26:58.844 --> 01:27:09.715
[SPEAKER_00]: So the thing about the mini series, and I'm with you, I'm not a big biopic person, but if you just want to be able to get lost in the music, like if you go to it, like

01:27:10.066 --> 01:27:12.448
[SPEAKER_00]: the Michael Jackson movies coming out in 2026.

01:27:13.710 --> 01:27:22.378
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if I go, I'm going to go on IMAX and I'm going to go with the best sound system just so I can hear the music again, right?

01:27:22.398 --> 01:27:27.763
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why a lot of people would go and, you know, you kind of see people dancing in jam and too.

01:27:27.783 --> 01:27:28.124
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:27:28.144 --> 01:27:30.846
[SPEAKER_00]: You got, oh, they they lay like the songs, which is I like it.

01:27:31.347 --> 01:27:33.729
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't expect that movie to be a good movie.

01:27:33.849 --> 01:27:37.372
[SPEAKER_00]: I just expect to kind of be entertained by the music.

01:27:37.793 --> 01:27:37.913
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:27:37.893 --> 01:27:54.421
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of how I got went into this one as well, which is, I've seen the performances that they're redoing, I don't need to necessarily see it, but I do just like listening to the music again, and that's ultimately what kept me watching and why I really enjoyed it was just to hear the music.

01:27:56.084 --> 01:27:56.745
[SPEAKER_00]: And

01:27:56.725 --> 01:28:03.880
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of funny of There were actually some pretty good actors and actresses in that movie too.

01:28:03.900 --> 01:28:13.620
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they went out for it, you know, and if you have paramount plus it is there for the longest time you had to have like some special BET subscription

01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:18.047
[SPEAKER_00]: to see it, which I refused because I was like, I already have all these other ones of why I'm in it.

01:28:18.067 --> 01:28:23.777
[SPEAKER_00]: I had BET plus, but then I think they condensed BET plus and just put everything on Paramount Plus.

01:28:23.797 --> 01:28:24.578
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have that.

01:28:24.859 --> 01:28:26.782
[SPEAKER_01]: It may or may not be on YouTube right now.

01:28:28.324 --> 01:28:28.605
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

01:28:28.645 --> 01:28:39.102
[SPEAKER_00]: Just there's other video ones that don't get as much attention as YouTube that it could be on as well.

01:28:39.672 --> 01:28:41.439
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we did it.

01:28:41.539 --> 01:28:42.302
[SPEAKER_00]: We got through it.

01:28:42.343 --> 01:28:45.816
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything that we didn't cover that you wanted to bring up?

01:28:46.559 --> 01:28:48.989
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever tried to use the choreography that if it isn't loved before?

01:28:49.712 --> 01:28:50.796
[SPEAKER_00]: No, man, I'm like Johnny.

01:28:51.181 --> 01:29:18.555
[SPEAKER_00]: you know what's funny is like from a sports perspective like I've really good footwork like playing baseball and basketball but when it comes to actual like trying to step and do certain steps together like I just get lost oh man he I did if it is a love of karaoke once I I still try to like hit them steps and

01:29:19.075 --> 01:29:23.663
[SPEAKER_01]: I think new addition are in better shape in their late 50s than I am in my late 40s.

01:29:25.045 --> 01:29:31.176
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, how they do that stuff without getting windy, I don't know, but it is a iconic choreography.

01:29:31.637 --> 01:29:38.930
[SPEAKER_00]: Bobby's with you though, Bobby's like, I'm going to go on the side and I'm going to take a ram with a jump back in when I need to jump back in.

01:29:39.250 --> 01:29:39.471
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.

01:29:39.771 --> 01:29:40.172
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.

01:29:40.793 --> 01:29:47.302
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I mean in my mind as I'm watching Ralph and his ballet slippers.

01:29:47.402 --> 01:29:50.887
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like right there with those guys, but then if I was to try it.

01:29:50.927 --> 01:29:52.129
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, yeah, this is silly.

01:29:52.349 --> 01:29:52.850
[SPEAKER_00]: That's nothing.

01:29:53.291 --> 01:30:00.301
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wonder who Who's like Ralph, go with the ballet types of slippers.

01:30:00.321 --> 01:30:01.182
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good for you.

01:30:01.803 --> 01:30:05.107
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I'm starting my sensitivity.

01:30:05.147 --> 01:30:09.812
[SPEAKER_00]: Look right now.

01:30:09.832 --> 01:30:12.675
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so yeah, episode one is done.

01:30:12.715 --> 01:30:13.476
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:30:14.077 --> 01:30:19.944
[SPEAKER_00]: This went about as good as I was hoping it was going to go.

01:30:19.984 --> 01:30:21.746
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really happy with how this came out.

01:30:22.527 --> 01:30:23.828
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you,

01:30:23.808 --> 01:30:30.820
[SPEAKER_00]: have any questions that you want us to follow up on GG at BSPN media.com.

01:30:30.860 --> 01:30:36.710
[SPEAKER_00]: You may also find us on different socials because I imagine a lot of people who are going to listen to this are going to be friends of ours.

01:30:37.351 --> 01:30:40.957
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, hit us up and hope that you enjoyed it.

01:30:41.237 --> 01:30:45.565
[SPEAKER_00]: And we only got 49 more of these things to go, my friend.

01:30:46.346 --> 01:30:47.087
[SPEAKER_01]: The first one's down.

01:30:47.147 --> 01:30:48.069
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the most important.

01:30:48.149 --> 01:30:50.052
[SPEAKER_01]: That means that means the

01:30:50.555 --> 01:30:51.037
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:52.564
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:30:52.664 --> 01:30:54.090
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Mike.

01:30:54.251 --> 01:30:55.195
[SPEAKER_00]: I am WG.

01:30:55.255 --> 01:30:58.489
[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you piece out.