Our Top 5 Albums & An Explanation of What 50 For 50 Is | 50 for 50

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, folks, this is our introduction to 50 for 50.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The new project from Mike and I, as we turn 50, later this year in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, before we get to the origin story or kind of how we got to this podcast, there is an origin story of how we met that makes this podcast kind of interesting as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: your version of the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe I'll fill in some blank.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we met through ePinions, which was a consumer review website and you could review anything from like appliances to music and movies and I was working at a record store.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was early early 2002.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was about to say 2022.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was early 2002 and my friend Anthony, we were sitting

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a review of like a Dave Matthews band concert or something on opinions and you knew that I was a Dave Matthews band fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, Oh, this is cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She checked this out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I I come from a writing background.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to study journalism in school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How much had you written at that point though?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You like outside of just for

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[SPEAKER_00]: pre-blog, pre-all that stuff that was really nowhere to post it, so I had like a little website where I had my 100 favorite albums of all time, and that was kind of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was back, I mean, I think I had just gotten a computer for the previous couple of years I had had web TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to show you, you know, what kind of dark ages we were in at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to do funny about that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the, the website that you're mentioning is also my place of employment for several years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so one of the requests.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was from WebTV users saying your website does not work all that well on WebTV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and at that point, you know, you look at the traffic, how much traffic is coming from WebTV versus, you know, computer browsers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, very little, so no, we're not really going to pay attention to WebTV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, WebTV didn't last all that long, but it was a thing, it was a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, for people who could not afford computers, and I was definitely on team, I ain't got no money at that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was working at a, I was working at nobody beats the ways, which was a consumer electronics music store, very similar to a best buy or a circuit city, but for those stores, really had a footprint in New York, I was, you know, managing the music department at that store.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, I got addicted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, well, I can write music reviews here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was even thinking about the make money part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is a place where I can write and I started writing reviews and because you were part of the staff there, I think that was like our first point of contact and then we realized that we had very similar tastes in music and that was kind of like the second point of contact and from there we just became friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I met you in person maybe

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[SPEAKER_00]: a year and a half later, if that long, when you did one of the meat and greed type think it was, uh, the, uh, think it was in New York City.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my, my time frame is I'm working there from January of 2000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we do layoffs April 2001, I was asked to change departments and I said, you know what that department's going to be the next to go so I refuse or not refuse, but I was like, I'll just take this severance and we'll figure something else out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I came back a couple of years later, so the actual time that we became acquainted, I was a normal member just like you, though, you know, I still knew the ins and outs of the website and I knew people there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like when we finally connected, I was just a normal member, but then soon thereafter I was back working when they'd gotten some more funding and they sort of figured out what they wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we got the meat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did the meat and it's crazy because I remember like my initial connections at opinions who were like you and Chidi and Carletta and you know, you and I have been friends now this entire time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've not really had an extended drop-off in communication at any point in the last 24 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are, you know, four or five people from opinions that I am still in regular contact with and it's it's pretty awesome that from this consumer view site like there are some friendships that I have maintained for a quarter century at this point, I mean some of these folks were kids were teenagers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, when they first started writing on the opinions and other and like they're 40.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, it's, it's just, you know, it's insane to, to track that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know, uh, your kids were even born yet when you and I met my kids were, like, three and two I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's insane, that is insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's proof that the internet can be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was really what we thought at that time, which was, and because, you know, when you're, I had, I was on many message boards and maybe there was like somebody you met of the opposite sex who was like, here's my phone number if you wanna call me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that was like, whoa,

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[SPEAKER_01]: but taking that connection as the internet became a little bit more common and if you came a little less scary, at least for dudes, I imagine, you know, for a lot of women, it's still scary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always been scary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for us to kind of go, oh, we'll meet at this thing that my company is hosting and and that makes it a little safer, right, because it's an event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you keep doing these things and, you know, I think you even, you came out to the Bay, you know, at some point, a couple of years later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, I did opinions, meet and greet, and I want to say five different cities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, you know, we did the New York one, I did Boston one, and that was my introduction to Boston, which I eventually moved to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did DC, I did Chicago, and I did the Bay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then, like you said, we've kind of been in contact, text message emails just over the years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've had podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had podcasts that we've both guessed it on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the pandemic happens and Crystal and I do not want to push our wedding back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we do it in a virtual way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and you were able to be a part of that because of the virtual aspect of that, which was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, well, I think the initial thing was I was going to come out and officiate the wedding in person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, the reality of the pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it that we couldn't make that happen so it ended up being virtual, but still to be a part of that is a pretty big deal and here Crystal and I are five years later five years later as as rock solid as can be and I love that and so you know, then this project comes up and I'm you know 50 is a weird number because I can very I can just remember like it was yesterday

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[SPEAKER_01]: the apprehension in turning 30.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, we celebrated our 30th birthday together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is crazy to think about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember Denny's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha, Denny's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So because we were born three days apart, just so people know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, same year, same year, three days apart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then going under the your 40s is another trip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different level of like kind of weirdness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember that very clearly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now as we head into our 50s, I was like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's like eventize this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like let's make it like special and how can I make it special?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How can I figure something out and I had this idea of doing a podcast with you and part of the idea behind doing a podcast with you is just being in more regular connection and just chilling more because it's like to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of used the podcast as a cheat code a little bit to talk to people who I enjoy talking to my kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't force my kid to come on with me once a week and we talk about sports and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But other people as well, my college buddy, we do a stuff we talk about baseball on the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that was like, you know, this is a great idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as we get older,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like we're facing the same stuff right from from that perspective at the same age we're facing you know our our future and and all that entails that and so so you know what this is kind of a big deal let's let's figure out a way to do it in a special project and I said hey what do you think about reviewing 50 albums one album that represents every year in which we have lived on this earth

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll do a podcast about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have a website, people on watching on video can see 50 for 50.Net, that website is up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We recorded a couple episodes where the website stuff wasn't yet up, and I may have mentioned, like, oh, you know, just stay tuned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a YouTube channel as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those of you watching it on YouTube, we'll know that our podcast feeds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of that stuff, it's all set up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we just have to go through all of these albums and we have gone through we haven't picked all of them yet we have a good idea about 30 of them so far and we're going to figure out the rest of them as this as this podcast goes on because we'll figure out the ins and outs of it and what works and what doesn't but I can say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first episode that we do is going to be on New Edition's heartbreak from 1988.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the year of 1988, that is going to be our album and that we've already recorded that and it's a really fun one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a great one to start off with because like Mike said, our music interests were the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And New Edition is probably like if you just

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[SPEAKER_01]: Connect like every dot connected for our music fandom outside of Michael Jackson like yeah new addition is right there for us so that was the first one and and you know I I was kind of waiting for you to say no I don't have enough time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: honestly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then this is such a great idea and I think while I am attempting to figure out what to do about detoxicity and that whole thing, this is a really good, like it's keeping me fresh, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, I'm getting a rep sin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and doing something creative and doing something in the podcasting world and this is my first sort of foray into YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been reluctant to do stuff on YouTube a because I don't like looking at myself and I don't know if people like looking at me so that's kind of a weird thing but just for me this is so easy because

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you and I have been having these conversations now for half our lives, music is such an easy touch point, and I like like you said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: about podcasting being a way to keep in touch with people with cheat code.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Similarly, for me, I mean, detoxicity has had and has a purpose, but also part of the reasoning behind it is, oh, I get to have conversations with people that I want to have conversations with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And similarly, this is a way for me to have a conversation, a regular conversation with somebody that I enjoy having conversations with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the reason why I said I was waiting for you to say, I'm too busy is because this is kind of a big project.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a year-long project.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to see if we can get through all of this in the year 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we don't, we'll push it out a little bit, no harm, no foul, but sometimes when you have ideas,

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[SPEAKER_01]: can be pretty big right and you may not even be that hungry or you may not have enough time and so I was like what are they saying they say your eyes are bigger than your stomach and I mean and it's like I love the idea I was like if there's anybody I can do this with it's Mike he's the perfect person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also it's kind of a big idea and there's a lot of organization and there's a lot of prep and there's a lot of adjusting to my current cozy schedule, but I think it's valuable and I think it's worth it and I think we're going to come out of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: pretty happy with the effort that we put in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least that's my hope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe, you know, when we do the kind of the conclusion episode of this at the end of 2026, maybe we'll have some different thoughts, but like that was this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have this idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Mike says, no, I'm going to be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll find other stuff to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if he says, yes, then I got to be in 100% because this is a big project.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you said yes, and I was like, all right, I'm in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do all of the work that I need to do to get this stuff up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to make sure that I find the time and prioritize and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like listening to albums that I haven't regularly listened to in a while, which has been a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this has just been a blast so far and I think as we go on, we'll learn a lot about the process, we'll learn a lot about what we like about doing this and maybe what we don't and we'll stop doing something like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's talk about the kind of the layout and we have only recorded a couple shows and this is kind of in the layout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, kind of go over the history of the album that we choose and there's going to be probably some that people will not be surprised that we're talking about if they know us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to be somewhere they may be a little bit surprised like oh I didn't know that that was going to be that pick for this year and there's other ones where we still haven't decided and there's some interesting choices to make like I was just looking at the list the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the year of 1990 and to me 1990 represents

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I became such a humongous LL cool J fan, like I'd known about LL cool J, my cousin said, had, you know, told me about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had heard some of the songs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd seen him on television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd see him on MTV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mama said knock you out comes out and I'm like, okay, this guy's like a Marvel superhero to me at that point, right, just bigger than life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and we could do that album and it makes sense to do that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there might be another L.O.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Coolj album that we could do at another time and then get in all of our L.L.

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[SPEAKER_01]: stuff at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's yeah, so what I'm thinking and and this is cross by mine a couple of times and even as we've done a couple of episodes is that

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[SPEAKER_00]: The album itself is definitely a part of the discussion, but I think a greater part of the discussion is the artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we can talk about the artist's entire career, you know, inclusive of the album that we're talking about, but also inclusive of all of the other albums that they've made, and we can kind of circle back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, part of...

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, part of this is like, okay, great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We get to talk about specific records, but we're also talking about the totality of an artist career and our journey with them, as they progress throughout their career as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it almost doesn't matter, which LL, Cool J album, we talk about, because we're gonna talk about LL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then the decision would be,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there was, there was this behemoth of an album called Please Hammer Don't Hurt him, which absolutely does not hold up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it didn't really hold up when it came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't hold up then, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is like a big part of what was going on at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a giant part of what was going on at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about the rise and fall of MC Hammer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know what Hammer's doing at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see him on Twitter every once in a while, but the last thing I remember about him was when he all of a sudden got in that weird Jay Z feud.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember when Jay-Z had the line on the kingdom come album, something about 40 mil can't hurt me or something, and it was about hammering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They hammered it, they're dising Jay-Z song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but that was the last time I heard from Hammer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, but his story, especially as a part of my,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, my music appreciation is a big part of it, too, because I, I had, please hammer don't hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had, you know, let's get it started and then, you know, trying to keep up with him post career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the death row stuff that you can stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole bunch of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think because because you're based out in the bay,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like your hammer specific to hammer and pop, like your hammer and pop fandom is much greater than mine, just because of, you know, this was an era when where you were from was really, really important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And hometown artists had like a cash aid to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I think hammer,

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[SPEAKER_00]: because of where he came from, is more important to you than he was to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, Pock is a whole different story because, you know, it's sort of like, he didn't come from the Bay, but he's associated with the Bay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a whole different story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I, you know, it was a period in time when

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was a lot of regional influence in the music that you're listening to in the culture that you consumed, so I think that that is part of our fandom as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that I really like about kind of the layout of our show is especially for some of the albums that are after we are kind of becoming adults or we're transitioning teenagers to adults and how does this album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: relate to you back when you first heard it and then also now because you know we have the the artists who recorded the music at the time that they recorded it they are not the same people anymore but that thing that they were also that's the point but that thing that they did

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[SPEAKER_01]: it stays on wax like they can't change it and so the you know and hip-hop music lyric lyric lyricly in some cases does not age it well at all no it doesn't but you know if you think of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: a 30 year old artist and what they're going through at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, then they're 40 and I'm sure that they look at that album that they made in their 30s and like, oh, like, that was me then, but I'm not like that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we listen to those things differently as well, because how how we listen to and I would throw an album out because this will be on our list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I won't say when we're recording it, but miseducational Lauren Hill,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am in college, and so I'm hearing this young phenom of an artist, and at that moment that I'm listening to the miseducation of Lauren Hill, I'm thinking,

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[SPEAKER_01]: she's going to be the biggest artist in history of music like she's so young and she's doing this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the next 10 years of her life going to be like in music and she absolutely does not become that she doesn't even put out another album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know kind of the live MTV album, which was probably I don't know kind of a mistake I guess, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, yeah, I don't know, but, but yeah, but now you, we can look back and go, oh, wow, like, you know, what we thought about her or what she was saying or the stuff that she was going through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how she looks back at the miseducation, Lauren Hill, because when she goes and does concerts,

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's got like 10 songs, she can do like, you know, how many months there's no three hour, you know, Billy Joel version of a Lauren Hill concert, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like she's got her her stuff and she's done, but that doesn't change how I felt about that album when it dropped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same, same, you know, there is where you were at the moment in time, you consume the piece of art and, you know, the art doesn't grow because it's fixed in a place in time, but you grow and you change and you learn more and you consume different things and you appreciate different things and you stretch out in different ways and your relationship to the art changes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so that is a big part of the show as well as as we turn 50.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we feel about this thing now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And do you remember what you how you felt about it back then?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's you know, they're they're all cool parts, but a cool a very cool part of this for me is being able to like access the person that I was when I first consumed this this art when I first heard this music and reconnecting to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of that for me is really about kind of milestones in my life, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can relate the music to kind of the thing that was going on in my life, positively or negatively, you know, the learn-hill just using the learn-hill album as an example.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I clearly remember being in college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: leaving campus and going somewhere to buy that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then coming back the next day, having my disc man with the 40 second auto skip because if you didn't have the skip, the disc man was kind of useless.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless you just put it and keep it in one thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you wanted to travel with it or put it in, if you were going around and you didn't have the shock protection, you were you were fucked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just having my headphones walking around campus,

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[SPEAKER_01]: thinking like who else is doing this at the same time is me like I don't know, but I'm you know, I'm listening to this because this is kind of the thing right now at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the most important things going today on campus and just like that moment, I can I really can remember that moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So stuff like that where you know, someone's going to have to do with me and my kids

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[SPEAKER_01]: getting a divorce, getting remarried, like all of those things, like you associate music to lots of things in your life and it'll be interesting going back to those, like you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll also do, you know, trivia nuggets like if you know Mike, you know Mike's got so much information in his brain about music and about history and just it like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: information that, you know, normal people aren't going to know about some of these things, and I'm going to pull it out of him, and I think it'll be really fun and just great information.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, one of the things we'll do this, I don't know if we'll do this for every show, but I like going through, okay, what was happening in music at this time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the year that this album came out, what were some of the other things going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these things are crazy, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, and it kind of gives you context into into the year and it gets people because people will who are listening to this, they're going to reflect as well on what they were doing at those moments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that'll be like a fun exercise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be awesome if people do share that, you know, where they were on stuff because, you know, we're going to post these on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there'll be spots for the comments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to post them on podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you'll be able to comment on anything and everything on the website.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'd love to see some engagement and see where people are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you are listening to us on apple podcasts or Spotify, and you leave us, uh, you leave us a five star review.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will read.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will physically read those five star reviews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you leave us a three star review, I'm probably not reading those, so just like, you know, you know, this is, you would leave the fives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if you leave a one, uh, I don't know, somehow

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[SPEAKER_01]: email bombing you or so I'm just kidding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're good within any sort of feedback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will read the fives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I promise you now I will name you and I will call you out and give you a shout good love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also in some of the episodes that we're going to do is something I I called the Grammy redo because again tapping into Mike's brain here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Grammy Awards are kind of a, I guess the way that I would hope that any awards are is a nice reflection of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, because voters are human and there's some politics going on and in these awards, they're not always reflective of what was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so in some cases, we did this with with our Lionel Richie review.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will not mention what album or when we or what year that was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we kind of looked back and was like, should Lionel have been nominated more?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or was this the right set?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, how how how did this shape the year and how could have this have changed?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what did folks get wrong?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll do that in some cases as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and, and yeah, and that's kind of the, the just of it, we, we may add some things of tracks and things as we go on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be some questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always ask Mike, kind of some unanswerable or hypothetical questions about how things could have changed if X happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll continue to do that because I like picking, picking his brain about stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So one other thing we're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is we're creating top five lists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say this a few different times because one of the podcasts that I'm listening to right now is the Sean Stockman podcast, Sean Stockman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On that note, was he a man on that note.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he likes to do lists on his show, which he calls top five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now top five is not copy,

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[SPEAKER_01]: written by anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Top five is as generic as can be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you listen to that podcast, you may think that, you know, we kind of took that idea from him, what I'm actually going to say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking that idea from, he stole it from Chris Rock movie, that's where I'm getting my top five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll do top five lists of some of the artists that we talk about as kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: supplemental shorter podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll get the album review that we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll have another podcast that will go up on a different day that will relate to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it'll be shorter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be, you know, if these are an hour plus those will probably be 20 to 30 minutes or so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so just to kind of show how we do this, I asked Mike, I said, hey, for our first top five list for our introductory episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do the old, what albums are you bringing on on an island castaway style?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And usually those are kind of like the four albums, but I extended it to five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so really, it's kind of like what are the five albums that are maybe the most re-licinable that you don't get tired of, kind of the no-skips albums, because we'll have no skip ratings on some of these shows as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's break down your top five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know this is a hard list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could have probably put it's 30 or more and it's so hard and you know me too, but I think the other thing about it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How does this list change?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because probably changes often depending on what you feel changes deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so why don't you kick it off what what what was number five on your list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I struggled with this and I've been thinking about this from the second you brought the topic up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like rolling through albums in my head and I'm like, man, if I'm making a list of my five favorite albums of all time, there's like 300 albums I could potentially put on this list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I feel like hip-hop is such an important part of me,

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[SPEAKER_00]: group in New York City at sort of like the dawn of hip hop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there are so many rap artists and rap albums that were really important to me as I was growing up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the album that I would put in the number five position is a DLSO is dead by DLSO.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, my favorite hip hop group of all time, um, my favorite album by my favorite hip hop group of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, you know, I thought about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are artists that I could potentially repeat in the top five, a couple of artists that I could repeat in the top five, but to give everybody a little bit of shine and and throw like, you know, one of my favorite hip hop albums in there, I would have to put their assholes dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to wrap albums on my list as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it comes from a time in my life when you talk about relating divorce and kids and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think John mayor is like the same age as us or like right around the same age as us is really younger he's maybe a year or two years younger I think a year younger he might have been born in 77 okay so when he creates continuum he is in his late 20s about to become 30 and I I mentioned how we you know how I can remember how I felt when I turned 30 and

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[SPEAKER_01]: that album represents kind of a changing in my life as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really connect with that album and you are the one who told me about that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, you need to, you need to check this out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really good, you know, this dude is almost, you know, kind of going through a lot of the same stuff that we're going through and it, I really resonated with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's always been, if you know, the hish of John mayor, uh, lots of, uh, lots of lady friends, uh, on, you know, that he has had a very, very, uh, public breakups with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Mayer is a player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did he say about Jessica Simpson?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She called her sexual sexual napalm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in some instances, yeah, he doesn't necessarily have the best rep when it comes to the dating life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I really, I still, I still connect with this album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's because it puts me back in that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, which is not an easy time for me to go back to, necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I then go, okay, the student helped me get through this time and help me transition in this moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at this album still holds up, by the way, I, it's for awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an awesome album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's his best album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Though, you know, I think some people like some of the earlier stuff a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I'm still waiting, I need another album from John, he's been chilling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's been on tour with dead in company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing his thing playing guitar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to get another John Mayer album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see where John Mayer is at in his late 40s era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we're going to talk about this album in deep shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I think it's on the list for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll talk about this one a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was number four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I number four for me was controlled by Janet Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk about no skips.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is one of those perfect albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, when the sound came out, I was 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her actually I was nine going on 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just the sound of everything around me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like songs were on a radio all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My older relatives who were like going to clubs around that time were listening to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just,

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[SPEAKER_00]: so influential for me personally and also just the sound of music changed as a result of that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: hip hop and R&B are kind of the same thing now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one really talks about how the first real R&B record that had like a hip hop kind of attitude was controlled by Janet Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she was, you know, she was 19 when the album came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'd had some stuff happen in her life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'd already been divorced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was going through some stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that attitude comes across in the music and the music itself was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't, you know, she wasn't singing like soft love songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it was like, you know, when you associated Janet at the time, I mean, I knew Janet from good times in different strokes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Charlene grew up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, Charlene grew up and cut out to like, you know, not only caught an attitude, but that attitude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: made her so much more attractive than I thought she was before when she was the cute pop princess right like oh Michael's little sister like yeah but then when she you know she does the the control album you're like oh my gosh this is a diswomen is a star right now

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had, I've told, I talked to my wife Crystal about my list and I told her that we're what we're doing on this first introductory episode and I said, you know, the problem that I have with my list and again, it like we said, this this kind of thing is a living list, it changes by the mood changes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, you know, the only thing that I didn't like about it is that I didn't have a female artist album on my list, which is not how, you know, you back in the day when we were buying all of these re buying all of these albums on iTunes when when, you know, CDs kind of were becoming a little old school and you know what I literally, I don't know what to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you have your CDs, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have mine anymore, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I most people don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a friend who liked having road-doing road trips and I brought my CDs one time because we had a work trip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just left them with their eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't know what, I don't even have a CD player anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just keep these until, you know, whenever and I'll get them back, I have a DVD player, a 4K DVD player and I'm sure if I should put the CD and it would actually play the music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With streaming, we have everything on streaming these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, I'm sure I'm going to be like, oh, this, why does Apple music not have this album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And where's my CD version?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, you know, if you, if you looked at my, the, the collection that I had tons of female artists, I was a little bit bummed about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, well, who would you add?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, well, historically,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Mariah Carey's number one in Janet Jackson is number two and they're kind of interchangeable so that it would be if I was to add a Mariah Carey album, it's either her first album or it's daydream and if us to add a Janet album, it's probably Janet dot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Janet period because when that album came out, uh, so what would that have been 1933.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, I mean, I'm in, I'm like a junior in high school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, where's this woman been off my life?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, geez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that like, that she would have been her and Mariah, you know, I was like, how do I want to put them on my list, but Chris was like, look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You only have one white dude on this list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You give more diversity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so number four for me is my favorite rap group yours is Dale Essol.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mine is a tribe called Quest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The low-end theory comes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm either a freshman or a sophomore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even remember the the changeover.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, uh...

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[SPEAKER_00]: shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that came out fall of 91, which would have been your sophomore year, my junior okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is a very specific in time to me playing basketball, majority of my teammates are black.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they're listening to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to get that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I get that album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're listening to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're my teammates.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are my guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a learning moment for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to get up to speed here, and it was that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that wasn't the only album, but it was like at that moment, and that was like, I'm in, and getting that album, and then seeing those guys blow up a little bit, it's the scenario video,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're on our senior hall, which is a part of my childhood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we need to do, we need to do our senior episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We should, we definitely should give props to our senior.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that is the show, like, people go to night show or J. Leno or David Letterman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, like, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our senior for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I even watched, um, remember when he was, no, this is kind of a weird segue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was on the apprentice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he I didn't watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know he was on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he he he does really good on the apprentice and and like he comes out of that thing where people are like, yeah, what happened to our scenario?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that dude is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they bring back the our scenario hall show for like a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know who kind of is found through

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[SPEAKER_01]: is Tiffany Haddish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tiffany Haddish is our Sineos street team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's got her Mike and she's walking around and talking to people for the show and she's the person on Mike doing that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I knew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, who is this woman?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because she's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the show just dies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I see Tiffany Haddish and movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, that's from the Arsenio Hall show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's really funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So tribe for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, one of the.

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[SPEAKER_01]: seminal moments in music buying days like you know there's some days where like I know exactly where I bought that record from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know exactly where it was what store that was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So back in the day we had something called the source magazine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was also vibe magazine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was also ex uh WXL WXL and all of a sudden after uh beats rhymes in life

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden, these guys can't get along and by these guys, it's really tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and tip and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you also think about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, love movement came out the same day as hard knock life, a quimini by outcast, the first Black Star record, most effort to quality, like there were a bunch of hip hop albums that came out the same day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And qualitatively,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure where it fits, but, I mean, the outcast album is probably my favorite of the bunch, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There, you know, three or four years before, if you were like new tribe album, you would have been tripping over yourself to get to the record store and buy the new tribe record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this album was like, okay, but it wasn't, it didn't give you that same feeling that low-end theory or midnight morrotters gave you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was just like, okay, it's another tribe record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not breaking any new grab.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Pete's rhymes in life was sort of the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, to me, love movement, I like more than beats rhymes in life, beat, beats rhymes in life just felt like kind of like lazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or like they were in a low, whatever it was, even didn't hit me even in the moment where they are not putting out their best work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: who's on that album that Q-tip is connected to, who then, you know, he doesn't live a long life, but he kind of grows out of the mess like Super Producers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's Dilla.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even when maybe Q-tip himself was probably creatively like beyond what tribe was what they were doing,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you stay in the group or do you branch out and we have recorded the Lionel Richie episode that we talked about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked a lot about that and cute it was in the new edition episode too yeah for sure whenever there's a group dynamic it's like everybody grows in a different pace so yeah so that so when the tribe

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I get into it and do the best thing going and then a couple years later, not a couple, about seven years later, they're done and I'm like, what happened?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this thing is supposed to last forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but what you realize is that very few groups last forever, the the famous groups that you think about, their careers are so much shorter as a unit than you even realize because they're

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that was, you know, that was tried for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then thankfully, we got the album right as a five passes, which was the signature, the exclamation point at the end of the sentence that we needed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was so happy that they got that closure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can close out one away, close out, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what's third for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to keep it in the family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My number three is off the wall by Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just, I mean, that is the album that made me a music thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, thrillers are great record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, this biggest selling record in history, music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like all that other stuff, I love thrilleted deck, but off the wall is the album that I identify it with the most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have my off the wall tattoo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's just, it's, to me, it is a perfect record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, you know, it's Michael at a stage where he just was like, I got to prove them legit and I'm a grown up and I know how to make grown up music and I'm a songwriter and all this other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just he put all this energy into this record and Quincy knew what to do with the energy and it just turned out to be a perfect perfect album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is my favorite Michael Jackson album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had the, did the exercise, the thriller, off the wall, the thriller, off the wall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know why I picked the thriller?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You still rock with girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, and maybe some of it is nostalgia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but I, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, there was a pre-mware.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a period where like once off the wall comes off and girlfriend comes on I'm ready to hit the skip button for a couple of songs like I'm a skip girlfriend I'm a skip she's had in my life and jump straight to I can't help you But now girlfriend I'm like it comes in goes But it's also like if you know if I'm listening to the thriller I here want to be starting something and baby be mine and then I'm skipping to beat it What what what's happening songs is off the wall have on it

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[SPEAKER_01]: 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how many songs does thriller have on it, not okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I thought it's either or for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to happen to the look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think off the walls the better album, but as far as what I would rather listen to over and over and over again, I chose thriller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be soon on my list, but it's not it's not third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's third is they can't really see it because of my mic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I can't see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh hell yeah, okay, but it's it's not old school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that old school else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The mom said not you out of them that I that I I mentioned because again We're talking about hoop I'm a freshman and as a freshman You were kind of supposed to be a little bit more independent and knowledgeable about What basketball tryouts mean and what open gym is and like I just had no idea that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, before the seat, you know, a couple of months for the season started, they would have these open gym runs and this is how you get on the, you know, this is how you connect with the coach is just there as an advisor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not coaching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just wants to see who what talent is out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like open gym.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, how did I not know about this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What weight training was supposed to be in weight training?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How can no one told me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one told my mom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How am I supposed to know this, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're, they expect you to be a little bit more independent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I go to my first weight training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I had never lifted weights in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my coach, who was the varsity coach, he actually was my coach, my JV coach, a different guy, but they were friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My coach was like, six, four, six, five, probably 220, he's probably in his mid to late 20s at this point, just got out of college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Think he played at Cal Berkeley and students jacked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's just getting on the bench, he's putting up multiple plates, and I'm just like in awe of this dude, and as he's lifting this these heavy weights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bowman system is playing from the boom box in the gym and so I associate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the first time I ever really lifted weights with L.O.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool J's Boomin system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, now I still have weights today, I'm, you know, as we're doing 50 for 50s to say how old we are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like that became such a big part of my life is lifting weights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is kind of, it's therapeutic to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get a rush from doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was freshman year,

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[SPEAKER_01]: trying to make the basketball team all of a sudden going like oh my gosh I have to know about all these different things that no one told me about and then I got a lift weights and I can't lift weights for anything and got all these strong people and open gym means I'm playing what seniors who like have like facial hair and and like they look like you know they look like they're 25 but they're only thrown at only 17 these guys can like do 360 between the leg

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[SPEAKER_01]: right and LL helps me there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He and again, I go, okay, where can I find this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I beg my dad to buy this at tower records successful by the way?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it just, it just becomes such a big thing for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to LL for the motivation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And look at this dude now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not saying that this dude is like the, you know, not taking enhancements or anything because my guy is, he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He like a little ghost to the gym.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember Questlove is going to come up a lot over the course of these epic modes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember him talking about you before last, they went on the 50 years of hip hop tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And LL had everybody on like a workout region.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or can I love seriously, you know what I'm getting off this tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do this by yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but dude is, I mean, LL is pushing 60 at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And looks, has looked, him and Lenny Cravers have looked the same for the last 35 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it's still like doing it and being up in truders that come in his house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But do you think LL still rocks the one pant leg up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope not, because actually when I saw like 25 years ago, hopefully LL has gotten with modern trends in fact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what about number two, what's number two for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So number two for me, I went back before I was born and you know to me Stevie Wonder is the ultimate like ultimate singer, ultimate songwriter, ultimate musician and you know obviously continued to release great music well into you know our adulthood but

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was like you and I have discussed the fact that I think I by I became a music obsessive before you did and it's summer 1982, Steve's got a greatest hits record out called the original music query.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like begging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want this album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want this album and it's a double album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it costs it's not inexpensive and my uncle's baby mama

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gives me a copy of inner visions and I'm like salty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like the same original music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, motherfucker, take this out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's free and I fell in love with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Intervisions is just to me from top to bottom, just genius.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, like it's an emotional roller coaster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's very like uplifting stuff, you know, there's living for the city, which is super gritty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's, you know, all love is fair, which is, you know, kind of sad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: Such a well thought out, well made record and it's considered that Stevie Wonder was 23 years old when this record comes out, it's just kind of insane to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just to me, the epitome, like Stevie Wonder's High Water Mark, which I think is just like a high Water Mark in music in general.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is my number two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's his best album for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we started our list, when we were negative three years old, we would have started with this album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I chose a different Stevie Wonder album for my number one and I'll tell you why, but this if I have to listen to one album or if I think what is his best album, I think it's interventions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two for me, I can't talk about interventions, I don't think about any Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's first, but you know, it's so hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I cut you off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's Michael Jackson thriller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the, you know, if I think about skipping songs, like the, I, I may, you know, there are songs that I don't like as much as the others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are also songs that have heard a million times, you know, you're not listening to the girl is mine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not listening to the girl is mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will listen to the girl is mine over girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't rock with you there man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yet, it's just, it's just, so it's just such a, you know, the funny thing is, is we're not even gonna do thriller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not gonna do thriller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what is left to say about thriller?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's still such a big thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there are moments where I can remember

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[SPEAKER_01]: of like thriller being the big end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've mentioned this before, but I'll mention it here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can remember my cousin putting me on his handlebars on his dirt bike and saying, we need to go to my friend's house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, for what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got MTV and I was like, okay, I was still you're not telling me why and we're right over there and we get there and we sit ourselves in front of the TV because the thriller video was coming on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They on MTV, they scheduled the thriller video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was in, you knew when the thriller video was coming on so that you could sit in front of the TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can really

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[SPEAKER_01]: a couple of years later, several years later, Michael's little overexposed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's on buttons and people like, he's not that cool anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I can remember when thriller was not as cool, but I think still it's still the one, if I need to pick an album that I'm not gonna get sick of, it's gonna be that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now there are stuff on dangerous that I like a lot better, but there's also stuff on dangerous that I would skip way more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of agree idea of the agreed the castaway albums, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's number one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: For me number one is side of the times by Prince.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a double album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is probably the only double album that I have in my possession with no skips.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Prince is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you all don't need me to talk about what Prince was just a genius genius songwriter genius musician genius singer like could do everything perfectly and he just he caught the spirit on this one he was just like

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[SPEAKER_00]: At the top of his game, you know, I, so this album came out, spring of 1987, and I remember coming to New York to stay with my grandparents as summer and every summer when I came to visit my grandfather would buy me like two tapes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that year, I think sounded at times was the only time I got because it was a double, so therefore it was twice as expensive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously this is a time when you can't just access every piece of music in the history of the world because there's no streaming, you're stuck with the records you have for the time that you have them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I spent that entire summer listening to sounded at times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just,

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of those records, you can recite forwards and backwards to this day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it's just like a work of genius.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to Prince shout out to sign at the times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I'm a much bigger Prince fan than you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but to me, that is like the ultimate in making a record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember, I mean, I'm sure you remember, but like when he passed,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember driving to work, and no, okay, take that back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I drove to work, and I jumped on Bart, Bayerie, Rapid Transit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: subway essentially and I found out I've now taken I've taken Bart once in my life now I I remember I found out like at that time and I'm on my phone and I'm like oh shit and it was so big that my work slack which were only supposed to be talking about work

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's talking about prints and I was like oh my gosh like I will always remember where it was in that time and just kind of how Surprising I think it was I was just like you know when when Michael passed It was surprising, but it wasn't Man There was

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[SPEAKER_00]: there was definitely the sense that Michael was not going to have a long life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Michael died, I was said, but I wasn't surprised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Prince died, I was sad and surprised because I expected Prince to be one of those guys that's like 80 years like buddy guy in cinemas, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like one of those dudes that's just like old and playing the guitar and being a crotchity and angry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so it was very, uh, to me very sudden, um, and very surprising.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what you realize is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: For someone like him who, he kind of stayed out of the public eye, unless he needed to be in the public eye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, everyone talks about his Irish goodbyes where he would be at a thing and you'd be like, hey, I was just talking to Princeton, he's ghost like he's added there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what you realize is the passion or the obsession

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[SPEAKER_01]: there is a toll that that put on him physically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even though he looked like the same dude though, he was changed up his look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did not look like an old man at the time of his passing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he still had that like, youngest boy boy of looking at him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you didn't realize that at the same time for doing what he did all those years,

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[SPEAKER_00]: broken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was on a couple of months before he died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was on the American musical words, and he presented in the ward to the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, he looks

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[SPEAKER_00]: sick like he looks thinner than normal like something's not right and I didn't really think anything of it um you know in my head I'm gaslighting myself like maybe he doesn't look the way he maybe I'm not thinking the way I should be thinking about that um but he did look different um and then to you know

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the abuse that his body took like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not a super athletic person by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm almost 50 years old and I have arthritis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have all of these things that happen to my body and this is a guy who's dancing full on every night doing splits, crashes into the floor, you know, doing all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even something as simple as like playing the guitar every day, like he had his hands were screwed up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like repetitive stress injury taken to like the end level, um, he just like his body just and for a small person too, he was, you know, whatever, 5 foot, 2, 5 foot, 3, 120 pounds or whatever, like, bodies are not meant to take that kind of abuse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yeah, I was shocked and I was sad, but then when you hear

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[SPEAKER_01]: about what his dependency was and why you're like, McSense, if something, if he's gonna fall for something, it's gonna be because of that, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think about him and Michael and I'm like, they died in service.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The same way like a soldier dies in service.

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[SPEAKER_00]: had a mission, you know, and their mission was, you know, James Brown, same thing, like their mission was to entertain and they entertained by any means necessary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the price you pay for doing that is that you check out earlier than you're supposed to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: take care of yourself physically and mentally and you have trainers and you have therapists and you have like all this other stuff like you're not going to live as full of life as you know you should have because you know this stuff takes a toll on you physically and mentally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my first album is also Steve you want our album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not interventions as songs in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because it's double elbow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's cheating, but I can get a little bit more if I'm cast away with Wilson, my volleyball, and all I got is five albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get a little bit more bang for the book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go, there's our top five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the other part of additional episodes,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that I wanted to mention before we get out of here is, there are some timely things that we may want to talk about that is currently going on in music, a documentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a Michael Jackson movie that I'm sure we both will watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll do these shorter

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[SPEAKER_01]: supplemental episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to talk Mike into watching the the Puffy Combs documentary, but he's like, I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I got I can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk a lot about maybe not a lot, but we'll talk enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about Puffy during this series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there'll be some stuff there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll also have some time-lear things and look, if 50 for 50 ends up as a one-year project and we got these episodes banged and people enjoyed it, and then that's it, I'm fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If after we're done with this, we still wanna connect in this way and talk about other stuff like I'm fine with that as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever this becomes, this becomes, but this is up to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the introductory episode episode one, you will hear soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, it's going to be on new edition heartbreak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the first one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you can, if you can find it in your heart,

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[SPEAKER_01]: whatever platform you are listening to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're on Apple podcast and you can give us a five star review and you can also subscribe or follow, get us in your feed, same with Spotify.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's gonna help us kind of get this thing out there a little bit more and if you're watching on YouTube, like and subscribe on YouTube that will help us to come to those numbers and engage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing more that I like than engaging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: doing live streams is kind of hard, but it is, I'm not against it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do lots of different live streams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see for this show, maybe there is, maybe there is an audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe there is an opportunity for us to do a live stream that would be kind of fun as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that will help us figure out if we can do that, if you like and subscribe on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the next time you hear us, we'll be with the very first episode, the year of 1988.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when this album comes out, we're 12 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's in that long time ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, indeed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For Mike, I am double G. We will see when we see you piece out.