Paul’s Boutique, the Maturation of the Beastie Boys & Adam Yauch's Legacy (1989) | 50 For 50

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Mike, what's up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo, did we ever give props to the composer of art theme song?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is my stepson who goes by the name of, or at least his, his producer name is home run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then his buddy actually had

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[SPEAKER_02]: the vocoder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He has like the the actual thing to do the to do the vocoding on the on the on the vocals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And his name is I forget what his actual, you know, his Instagram or music handle, but his his real name is Jude.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's his parents or Beatles fans or whatever,

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[SPEAKER_02]: home run and then they did together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, Hey, here's what we want.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want something like, you know, that sounds like this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then get the 50 for 50 chanted in the background and they did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So turning it on pretty quick to find out we got a little Teddy Rally in the house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Mike, what are we doing today?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We are talking about the Beastie boys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we'll say, I'm so one of the reasons why I wanted to do a project like this is because there's a lot of artists that I know, there's a lot of artists that I know know and there are a lot of artists I know like so well, like I don't really need to learn anything about them anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Beasties are not on that list for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, okay, let me give you my bestie boys origin story from when I'm a kid, okay, so I have older cousins like my oldest cousin is about 10 years older than me and then and then it kind of goes like 10, 7, 4 and then it's me and so anything they were into.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was kind of aware of, and so the BC boys are

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[SPEAKER_02]: When they come into play, you know, I'm still like 10 years older, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not really of the age to be like, oh, the Beastie boys are cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just like a little kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so my cousins, though, are very aware of the Beastie boys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're kind of into them a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, just the whole, I wouldn't say into the Beastie boys necessarily, but just into kind of punk a little bit into some of the new age stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: MTV plays the BC boys a lot and so my dad was like These guys are knuckleheads like These dudes are these dudes are not gonna be doing anything with their life like look at them like listen to these lyrics They're not even you know, they're not even all that great and so I grew up thinking like oh, yeah This is just flat boy stuff like it's it's just here and in it'll go away

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, and I think this is the most important part of this BC boy story is they realized very early how that was going to cap them as artists and they very quickly tried to adjust and, you know, we're going to talk about the album that people think is, you know, depending on what.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What you want to think is their best album like I don't you know, you can have lots of different favorite BC's albums, but Like and we've talked about this with an episode that has not yet dropped, which is the Huey Lewis episode where Huey Lewis goes mainstream tries to take it back a little bit and the second he does

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[SPEAKER_02]: you never hear about him really ever again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is really the risk with the album we're going to talk about, which is Paul's boutique is they went from insane popularity to I'm not really feeling this and we have to change and industry rule number 4,000 and 80, which we'll talk about and then they recreate themselves and they here's my favorite part of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They take

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[SPEAKER_02]: for that first album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As popular as it was, you can talk to BC Boys fans today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They still love licensed to ill. License to ill is so memorable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can play the beginning of bunch of songs and I'm like, oh, I know exactly what's coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very popular, but those guys you could tell, they had to step back from the themes of that album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that is my favorite part of this BC Boys story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, license to ill was such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh uh phenomenon of a record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when that record came out, I was living in Michigan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And every like, you know, 10, 11-year-old at the time was messing with that album because hip-hop had just kind of started, you know, really asserting itself as a commercial force.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Beastie Boys were white and I grew up in a, you know, I spent my time in Michigan because it was a three-year period in like a very integrated school system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I think because their older brothers were, you know, deeply into the Beastie boys and, um, you know, as you dig deeper into their history, you realize that license to ill was really like the Beastie boys playing a role as opposed to being their authentic selves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and maybe there was a personal sacrifice too in playing that role and they decided they didn't want to make that sacrifice anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they reversed course and it worked out for them over time which I think is one of the unique and interesting things but like you said the other unique and

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a version of us that we played for a joke and it really aren't like that in real life and we didn't like it as it was happening and we're going to take accountability and apologize for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, that is not something that happens in art very often, particularly commercially successful art.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't happen in real life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not an apologist here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This comes directly from them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: their audio book is awesome and you know of course with MCA no longer being with us this is very much an ad rock and and Mike D retelling of this story but but even MCA when he was alive and I'm just like yeah grab a mic of you that's just you boys it's awesome yes um

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even MCA when he was alive, really I think did more than the other two to really kind of reverse that narrative.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But what I was going to say is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They, in, in this book, they fall on the sword.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there is a kind of like a, yeah, Rick Ruben tried to kind of move us in this direction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they're like, hey, we wanted to name our album, something that is really bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they, the F slur would have been in the album title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not, not the, not the, the fuck word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the kind of, yeah, not, yes, slur, not, not cuss.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They both were like, hey, that was a long time ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were stupid kids.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We grew up and became adults.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We took accountability.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we want to tell you, this was the truth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like this was not created, this was us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And at the same time, they're just young teenage kids.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they literally blow up overnight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like how do you deal with that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike D and Adrock should be counseling young artists in here here all of the things that are going to happen to you if you really get famous and here's how to kind of get through it all because those dudes coming out of who they are now as grown as adults they came out of it very well like and I think some of that is

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[SPEAKER_00]: privilege.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although, you know, looking back Miller, you know, but I think some of that has to do with them being white.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of it also has to do with them being middle class people and not having to, you know, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what happens to a lot of folks and it's not just a black or brown thing because I think about Brittany too is you know you come out and all of a sudden you're super successful and you are now the breadwinner for your entire family at a young age and you know

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[SPEAKER_00]: your mama wants some money, your daddy wants some money, your cousins wants some money like you're all of a sudden you have this like unintentional entourage of people that you are the CEO of kind of unintentionally and it doesn't sound like the Beastie Boys ever had like that sort of like blood sucking of their crew or their family at least the people that they there were closest to because the people that they were closest to had their own stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so by the way, shout out Nick, who's hanging out with us in the... What, Nick?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that that was Nick's YouTube handle, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Travis Bickle, nine, 10.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For those who don't know, I do own some.

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[SPEAKER_02]: some Nick music there, some headcase music, some headcase music, shout out MC headcase.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so let's actually go back to the year of 1989, because while in 1986, like I said, I was 10.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the time of 1989,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very aware of hip hop, I'm very aware of the surroundings of hip hop and I'm very aware that the BC boys are back, but what I didn't know and will tell the story in a little bit, I didn't know why they were gone and where they went and how close we were to maybe not even getting this album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So where were you in 1989?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 1989 would have been the beginning would have been ninth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, eighth grade, and I would have started a high school that fall right around the time Paul's boutique came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, you know, the first time I heard hey, ladies, it was actually probably August of 1989, and I was in Florida, my grandmother had a home, a second home, there in a town called Lehigh Acres,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was just kind of like chilling out 13 year old, getting some sun, you know, thinking I was a badass riding bikes, you know, doing that kind of stuff, but that was, that was the summer of 89 for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, so it's kind of funny because another episode that is not yet out is the MC Hammer episode.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, you know, 1989 for me is a really big sports year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is the giants are in the world series sadly losing to the Oakland A's and what people remember as the earthquake

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shout out to Will Clark, Kevin Middleton, Goire, Hillsley, Conceal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's April, yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was deep into baseball around that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, um, and and so 49ers, obviously, and with the warriors, the run TMC era.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So my sports world is just humming and and I'm thinking like, oh man, like I'm about to be like the bay is about to blow up sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it didn't hack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it actually happened that way?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or for shoutout also to the bad boys who won the NBA championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I can claim to treat a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, and, you know, there hasn't been a next championship in my lifetime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to kind of, I'm going to take that person as a personal thing, even though I wasn't living there at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For this is our first going off tangent here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But did you ever read Spike Lee's book about his next fandom?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that book is awesome, but it was also written like 30 years ago or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it's a long time ago, but it's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like because he's got such a memory of that stuff, you know, like he has memory of films, music and sports, like nobody's in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and he's alive for both the championships.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, we're both teenagers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very, very early teenagers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: open to trends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Things move in one direction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We want to be cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We want to listen to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what 1989 kind of represents to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So from a pop culture standpoint or from a music standpoint, the year of 1989.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you're going to have to tell me what this is all about because I remember this, but I don't exactly remember the why January 14, 1989, Paul McCartney releases back in the USSR exclusively in the USSR, bootleg copy self for as much as $1,000 in the United States.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What the hell was this all about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's the middle of the Cold War or the end of the Cold War actually because the, you know, there's a lot of change happening politically at that time and

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[SPEAKER_00]: a Meritwell, Palma Carney's British.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rock stars from the US and the UK did not typically travel to Russia because Russia did not allow that very often.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Elton John might have been one of the first rock stars to play Russia in the late 70s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, for Palma Carney to perform over there, it was a huge, huge deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually not sure why they didn't release that initially in the US, but, you know, again, it was a very unique performance because it took place in a part of the world that generally did not allow, you know, music from the Western world to be performed there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so the next thing here is January 23rd, I'm going to say it right now, free James Brown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: James Brown is sentenced in Georgia to six years in jail and connection with a police chase through two different states.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember this police chase?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to try to remember the details that I know correctly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's actually a very good book on James Brown called The One, which everybody should read.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hey, James Brown was high all the time during that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he was using like PCP, which like, I don't really know what PCP is, but apparently that stuff messes you up real, real hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the cops came after him for something dude went on a high speed chase allegedly like they shot his tires out and he was driving on ramps.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to go very far there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you want an idea of the stuff that James Brown was putting in his body around that time, there is an interview that you can find on YouTube where he is just like while and out of talking to your female reporter, I just go, if you've never seen it go on YouTube, you will have a good laugh, say no to drugs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then there was a Eddie Murphy special where he did a character and it's just people outside of the prison just chanting free James Brown that's what I remember okay January 27th Michael Jackson ends the bad world tour in Los Angeles

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[SPEAKER_02]: February 22nd to 31st annual Grammy Awards hosted by Billy Crystal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: George Michaels' Faith wins out on the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bobby McFairans don't worry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Be happy wins both record and song of the year and Tracy Chapman wins best new artist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what's the beef with the word be happy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I really, really don't like that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you were to count down Mike's 10 least favorite songs of all time, don't worry to be happy would be on that list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there will not be a Bobby McFaire in 50 for 50.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you are saying, damn right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, March 21st, Madonna's like a prayer music video taped in December 28, attracts criticism for its use of Catholic church iconography and for the use of cross burning imagery, but also Garner's praise for its interpretation of discrimination, rape, and faith.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pepsi drops Madonna as a spokesperson out of fear, the video will cause religious groups to boycott the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But don't know what she was doing, and she kept the bag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pepsi being cowards, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So April 12th, now this is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was wondering if this is really where this nickname for Michael Jackson is created.

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[SPEAKER_02]: April 12th, Michael Jackson is named King of Pop after receiving the Soul Train Heritage Award.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, is this where the name starts and just becomes his brand?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, Elizabeth Taylor is presenting him with an award at the Soul Train Musical Awards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she says in my estimation, he is the true king of pop rock and soul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am, you know, I don't know this for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am fairly certain that Michael and or his people wrote that speech themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Mike wanted, you know, Elvis was called the King of Rock, a role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael wanted something, so he became the king of pop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, no shade to Mike.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's the king of pop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The king of pop is the king of pop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fantastic branding and it's master marketing is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, all right, may first call off in somewhere in California doesn't say US jewelry store employees called the police reporting a suspicious person hanging around their store.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The person turns out to be Michael Jackson shopping in disguise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have heard this story before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In my eyes, the cops roll up like, oh, no, it's hi, I'm Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What like I'm assuming he was wearing like something that made him look weird is probably why people got freaked out like he's wearing something over his head and look like a cousin it or something like yeah he's wearing something that made him not look like Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it Ghosts?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was Ghosts that movie where he dressed up and make up and played that different character?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what that's what he should have went to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, July 29th, the BGs perform in the US for the first time in 10 years as part of their one-for-all world tour.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, one of the brothers had passed away by this time already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was, yeah, Andy Gibb, who was never a member of the BG's, but he was a solo artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was kind of a big deal for a minute in the late 70's, but he passed away in 1998.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was only like 32, which was kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the BG's never really, I mean, they had already kind of started to like come back at that point, but I think that was the other first US tour since like the Saturday night fever days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're fast forwarding here because for some reason my Wikipedia list just makes some crazy jumps December 23rd ice cube leaves NWA after financial problems in several conflicts with their manager Jerry Heller and the group's founder EZE by this time cube has been recording his solo debut album which will be released the next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 91.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like summer of 91 because this is basically the time where if you didn't know before you knew who ice cube was about to be like he was he's kind of all over the place in the 1991.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about the BC boys and we'll go through the origin story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll go through kind of the the creation of the first album, the transition to their second album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We won't talk too much about their later career, but we will talk about MCA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We will talk about the albums far as how they did commercially and we'll do our favorite Grammys Redux segment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, not on this episode, but on our next episode for the top five, I think our top five is going to be all over the place because Yeah, there's they've so many songs for one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as I get older and I can say this right now, as I as I am a grown up here, I think my favorite species album is probably their least favorite album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we, we might have to put a pin in that, like, I'm very curious.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll say it right now to the five girls is my favorite B.C.

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[SPEAKER_02]: boys album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why they don't like that album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't like it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They said, and this is in... That's such a dope record.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is in there out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's in their book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they said it was their first album post 9-11 and so they had a lot of things to say because that album comes out like in the mid 2000s, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think 2004.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're holding back a lot of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and they thought it was too preachy and maybe not commercial enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't, I mean, and not to go too far to the left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to the five boroughs, I think is the most hip hop of the leader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why that's why it's in my favorite and it's a very like old school hip hop album like they're doing routines and stuff like that and I don't think it's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Beastie Boys as they aged became a bit more message oriented and, you know, look, as a New Yorker 9-11 was a very difficult thing to make sense and I still don't know if I've made sense of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to be affected by that and to make an album about it, I think was the natural thing and it just felt like

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a throwback and it felt kind of loose and charming and I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not my favorite piece to boys out them, but it's also not my least favorite piece to boys out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still go back to it every now and then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They just released like a new vinyl, uh, but yeah, so it's like three records or something in, you know, I don't need the, I don't need all the $50 or $50 or $50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't like it, but they're happy to make money from it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so let's talk about their, their origin story here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the beasties as we know it were kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: putting their groups together and are putting the group together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But only one who was who was Mike D was a part of the original kind of the original group that was created before the Beasties called the Young Aborigines.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's interesting, and I'm actually, I'm actually interested in your thoughts on the Kate Shellenbach story because she is actually, uh, she does her own voice for the chapters about her in the, the audiobook, which I thought was fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you could tell, as they're telling a story, she's part of the original group, which becomes the BC boys,

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[SPEAKER_02]: By calling it the Beastie Boys, there's a little bit of an alienation there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a woman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's not a boy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she kind of gets pushed out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was one of the OGs, which is really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And her hearing her tell her story about what happened and why and how the, I think she, I think she herself blames Rick Ruben for a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She does not like that dude.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just she gets ace out of the group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those dudes are not, they're not cool because she thinks that they're kind of dicks at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then to kind of come back and go like, okay, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But she also then has her own career as a successful artist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think about the whole Kate piece of this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, it's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it sucks for Kate, obviously, in the beginning, you know, the members of the BC boys came up in kind of the early 80s New York City, which if you, I mean, I was a very little child in the early 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the way that I always hear described it was just this melting pot of scene so you had you know hip hop and reggae and funk and disco and then punk and hardcore and new wave like and everybody was kind of like hopping from spot to spot to spot you know and especially if you were a kid you're just going to have like a diverse array of influences so

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[SPEAKER_00]: They came together, they had just like hardcore band and eventually Rick Rubin became a part of the picture because, you know, he had found a deaf jam at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were putting out rap records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted the Beastie Boys to be, I guess, more of a traditional rap group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Rick

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, is apparently any bald human now, you know, how much of that is real and how much of that is fake is, you know, we're not him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can't decide that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it does sound like back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was his very like a misogynist kind of male shovenist dude from Long Island.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, whether it came out of sexism or wanting the group to be more commercial or whatever it was, Kate got kicked out of the band or you know, however it happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and as you know, as we said earlier about taking accountability,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once the Beastie boys had kind of like right at the ship and we're like commercial force again and they got their own label called Grand Royal, one of the first artists they signed first Bruce Designed was a group called Lushes Jackson of which Kate Shellenback was a member.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like they kind of did her right in the end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's a story that I think ends well, but you know, we're all young and stupid and we all do young and stupid things when we're young and stupid and I think it takes a lot for someone to come back around and be like, you know, we messed up like we apologize and it also takes a big person to accept that that apology and kind of like understand when you're hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that maybe the people that did that to you were operating in a different space back then and their, they've turned the new leaf.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like you said,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The young Aborigines at this point are not a rap group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They are a punk hardcore punk band.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so one of the guys leaves and then MCA Adam Yalk joins to be the guy on the base.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the guys who stays named John Barry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He coins the term

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[SPEAKER_02]: B.C.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Boy, so at this point, it's M.C.A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Mike D. It's Kate and it's this guy, John Barry, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we, we made fun of acronyms in the past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what B.C.

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[SPEAKER_02]: stands for?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's like anacronistic states of X. I some shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It stands for Boys entering anarchistic states toward internal excellence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a herd of the term backernim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like when a word is invented and then in retrospect, people like, oh yeah, it's an acronym.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It means this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's what happened with the Steve.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's what, and then Mike D. Later said, it's just a silly name that they thought sounded kind of tough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that pivot to hip hop comes from 1983, they record a song, and this is your New York roots on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How much you know about this, which is they record a song called Cookie Push.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what cookie push was?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen a cookie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen a cookie push.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New York City, there is an ice cream chain called Carvelle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carvelle still exists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I live maybe half a mile away from a carvelle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they make the cookie push anymore, but the cookie push, if I remember correctly, was basically like an ice cream cake,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm also diabetics, so I couldn't have a cookie push if I wanted to, but it was like an ice cream cake type thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they used to, you know, carbvel had a lot of commercials on the air on local television stations and, you know, they would advertise the cookie push.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you lived in New York City or, you know, in a tri-state area at all, like, and you grew up during a certain era, you knew exactly what the cookie push was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the only reason I know what the cookie puts is outside of this album is Howard Stern back in the day there was a cookie put story and they're like making fun of people for buying cookie puts as a gift for like their mom or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the only kind of truth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, you know, if you had like a birthday party or whatever, they would buy the cake from Carvelle and, you know, you would have a cookie push on your birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to look this up to tell you exactly what was in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a nice cream cake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's got like an alien, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the cake is fashioned with the space alien that uses cookies for eyes and an ice cream cone for the nose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, cookie-plus was born on planet birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's, hence your birthday cake explanation there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they cranked called the Carvelle Ice Cream Shop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They recorded it and they released it as a song, which they then realized starts getting played by some local DJs at clubs and such, which is still wild to me, like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then, at this point, John Barry leaves and AdRock comes in, and so now the three guys who we know the Beasties as are in the group at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they meet, like we said, they meet Rick Rubin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: running deaf jam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were saying that one of the the ends to Rick was I want to say that they were like trying to play some live shows and he may have had some equipment that they could use because you know he's kind of on the up and up with that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: crafted this like bad boys of rap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I see it more as like flat boys of rap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Drinking beer kind of you know slapping girls on their butts and that kind of imagery for for what the group is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're big breakthrough and I love the story by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They open for Madonna on the like a virgin tour and so

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[SPEAKER_02]: the Madonna's people call Russ and they're like, hey, man, like we want run DMC to to open for us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I run DMC was doing their own thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think at this point, so they weren't available.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this story is that they wanted to run DMC, you wanted too much money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There, that's what it was, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then they go, what about the fat boys?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Russ is like, nah, they're busy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The fat boys were not even on, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Four managed by Rush managed by Russ.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so then he's like, but I have this group that will basically play for Madonna for like $2 in the biscuit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how the Beastie boys ended up on the tour with Madonna, which is crazy, crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So at this point, they're, I think they're recording their album, like they didn't even really, they did not have the album yet, so they're doing songs to open the show from stuff that they had recorded before, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: like not licensed to ill stuff yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I have a story and buddy sent it to me who was in that scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's a little bit older than us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the timeline makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when he first sent it to me, I was like, ah, is he pulling my leg?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I watched the Beastie Boys, or I read the Beastie Boys book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I also watched the Apple TV movie, which is like a state, they recorded like a stage act.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was in the audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That that thing is really fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was really really well done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he he sends me this email and he's like and and so after watching and reading I kind of correlate kind of connect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to read his email and we'll just call him Jay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is this person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, and he so he wrote the story and it's called Rick Rubin brings the beastie boys to my booth and it doesn't go well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he wrote, I got to know legendary producer Rick Ruben through I buddy Scott Canig, Scott worked briefly for Rick as an assistant and then moved on to Rush Management.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hung with Rick a few times and even went to CMJ with him, well, I don't know what that means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: CMJ is a music festival that happened in New York City and did like seven years ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's seen then he writes Rick watched me DJ at Lamor one slayer night and came up to the booth to tell me how much he appreciated my work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said he never saw rock DJ with MC skills and he really appreciated how I interacted with the audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That meant a lot coming from Rick a man who was cementing his legacy at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rick was very unique and then we went to CMJ together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I kidded, you must have a thousand business cards ready to give out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then he wrote Rick is weird but cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he wrote the next time Slayer played, Scott told me Rick was bringing the Beastie boys with him and Rick wanted me to meet them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was prior to the album dropping.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew of the Beasties but not a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was told they were a punk rap hybrid and I had a Beastie's T with get off my DICK on the back but that was it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was invited to be part of the fight for your right video and look forward to meeting them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rick comes up to the booth and asks if the Beastie Boys can come up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I tell security to let them up and five of us are in the booth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rick says, show them what you can do on the mic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I waited for the song to end, did some spiel that pumped up the crowd and mentions ours with Rick Slayer's producer, and he had his new band in the booth.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's folks on the booth, one of the BST's grabs the mic and starts over modulating gibberish that no metal head could understand and others join in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Slayer crowd starts booing, and I'm now fighting them for the mic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're literally pushing each other and almost come to blows, and I finally wrestle the mic back and say over the DJ system.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what the F just happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I told them to leave and Rick goes, that was great and leaves after them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was exactly what Rick wanted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted them to cause anarchy and a buzz.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was pissed and I wasn't good at hiding my moods back then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wound up being the last time I spoke to Rick and I never went to the video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Scott and I later laughed about it though because in hindsight, it was hysterical.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a huge fan of them once I heard the album and wish I knew what to expect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it would have gone down better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, F Rick and had a buddy make me business cards like George Jefferson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am moving on the uptown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he, when he sent me that story because I told him we were doing this episode and he's like, I got a BC story for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, okay dude, I don't know, I'm not so sure about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they said that Rick Rubin, who was a pro wrestling fan, wanted to basically make them to be like the Routy Roddy Piper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: of rap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so now that thing checks out and I'm like, makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, how could I even have thought that my buddy was not being real with me?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because he has a lot of stories, by the way, this is he was in a lot of different scenes back that, but so that was that was kind of amazing because they admitted they're like, yeah, like he wanted us to be pro wrestling heels, like we didn't like wrestling, but Rick did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he used that to market us as like these pro wrestling bad boys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: deck sounds that that sounds on brand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so licensed to ill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I think the whole albums that created in Rick Rubens, uh, uh, New York, uh, where did you go to NYU?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would say NYU was in his death channel was run out of his dorm room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So in the dorm room, this is where this album is created.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is crazy and I mean shout out first of all to connect the dots to a previous episode of this show that we've done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The beat for LL's first single I need to beat was made by adbrock in Rick Ruben's dorm room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, actually, Ad Rock discovered LL cool Jay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know there's still tight because you LL always puts puts him over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's always talking, talking nicely about him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so Rick saw the beasties not just as rappers necessarily, but this bridge between punk rock and like this kind of new burgeoning hip hop scene.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was wondering,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because Rick is not, Rick is white.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hip hop is predominantly majority black.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the idea of bringing white guys into this genre, which and the genre is still being created.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like the lines are necessarily drawn, but it is going, it is, you know, we know this early on that it's just not going to be a bunch of white kids rapping, like that's not going to exist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in hip hop like what do you think was the marketing of them what do you think it was like and maybe because we see it we've seen it in the history of pop culture the great white hope right in boxing it was like

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who you know the the one who's going to make the most money is the one white guy who can actually beat all of these other different minorities of boxers and that was kind of how the the sport was sold like it's there's some great white hope in this story 100% 100% I mean hip hop was very much in its infancy and to be fair

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first couple of years of hip-hop, it was exclusively a black and Latino thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then kind of as it started to expand out into part, it expanded out into parts of New York City that were not like the Bronx or Queens where the downtown art scene and white people did get involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you would have, you know, five, five, ready in Africa, Bambada and all of these hip-hop dudes

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[SPEAKER_00]: artists like Keith Herring or, you know, people like Madonna, like, you know, who had definitely had a connection to sort of like early 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New York downtown New York hip-hop scene and blondie and like all of these different things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it got integrated from an audience standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at least in New York City where some of the conventional rules regarding race don't really aren't as prominent as they are at other parts of the country.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty quickly, but I think Rick to an extent and definitely Russell saw the beasty boys as like, hey, this is how we bring hip hop to middle America and make a lot of money by, you know, instead of these,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you look at like Randy and C, whatever, and, you know, three black dudes with gold chains that hats on in Ohio and Oklahoma and Minnesota, scary as hell, but put three white dudes in the same outfit doing the same music and then there's an identifiability with with, you know, little Billy and Joey and Oklahoma in Indiana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there was definitely a great white hope behind it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they expected that album to blow up the way it did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I definitely think there was fourth thought in putting a white rap group out and then making them kind of like cartoony and exaggerated and also leaning on, you know, like classic rock and like hair metal and the stuff that was supposed to be real hot in, you know, white middle America at that time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, so license to ill is a long kind of the same style of what run DMC was doing the similar rap style, I think I think run is is helping them with lyrics and such and so he wrote, yeah, and helping them kind of like, here's how we do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is how you guys should do it as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, the album just goes insane, like it's, is it the first hip-hop album to debut or to go to number one?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was the first rap album to hit number one on the charts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's still, uh, it went diamond, I think, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's still, there's still one of the biggest selling rap albums of all time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, the idea of the second album, if you are,

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you are Russ, you're like, okay, we just need to make part two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is how we're going to keep things going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Keep the boat float and we're going to go back to number one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do whatever part two is of license to ill. And these dudes were not about that life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Adam y'all quits the band without telling these guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just bounces and he goes and starts doing other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't actually, like they're still performing, but they don't actually create any music.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess by what their contract says, that allows deaf jam to withhold royalties from the album because they're not actively making a second album, which sounds like gibberish to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what else going on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: read your contract before you sign it if I remember the story in the book correctly they were like you know Russell tried to sue us for not making a follow-up album quickly enough but we were on tour like when are we gonna make an album when we're doing shows

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was like, Russell really wanted to make an album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have pulled us off to him, put us in the studio again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like typical, I mean, you know, all indications points of Russell Simmons not being the most ethical of human beings in a variety of ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So no surprise there, but you know, yeah, it definitely, there was some BS happening there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You think Blair underwoods like, man,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, probably not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think people still remember him from that movie?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, yeah, you played Russell Simmons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, if I think about Blair Underwood, Crush Groove is like the second or third thing that comes up in my brain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I can't watch the first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ellie Law.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What about we're set it off, come in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't set it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So not not very high for you, but I just I just watched it recently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Paul's boutique 1989.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the album that we're focusing on in our telling of this Beastie boy story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is a left turn because they do not want to still be this image that they've created themselves as I don't know at this point if they're into that accountability stage yet because pop culture is still moving in a certain direction and I don't think there was forces that will

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, but it is clear that they realize that unless they change, they will be seen as kind of deaf jam puppets and not really artists themselves and they were actually trying to become a band before the BC's ever existed before they even met Rick Rubin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the idea of like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, we can actually do this without these dudes who are kind of screwing up our careers as much as they created the celebrity of it, and I'm sure if you ask your recruitment and Russell Simmons, they're like, yeah, without us like where would they have been and then so now it's let's create the second album three years in a different sound.

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[SPEAKER_02]: actually changes their place in the game because this album does not sell like there's not yet like as as well received as it is now I listen to it and I go okay what are the singles on this thing like what you know and and you know it's obviously very very a famous or maybe infamous for being as sample heavy as it is and you know but ultimately

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[SPEAKER_02]: people now recognize it, but when it dropped, it was almost like, he caught a brick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's almost like, where did that weirded out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Where did our guys go?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And why did they change the way that it did?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, first of all, like, the BC boys ended up getting out of their deaf jam contract, in signing with capital, I would, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: if they had made license to ill part two, that would have caught a brick two, and they would have never recovered from it because then people would have been like, oh, the BC boys are a novelty act, like the same thing that ultimately happened around DMC would have happened at the BC boys, which is that they would have gotten played out super, super fast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What, you know, Paul's boutique was not a hit when it first came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It like I think it went gold initially and it took like five years to go platinum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely not a big success, but it changed the way that they were regarded by critics because it was such like a sample heavy like dense pop culture kind of record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it kind of set like, it set the stages and then kind of do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, you know, obviously they never made another album that was as big as license to ill, but they ended up having like, you know, 20 years of consistently decent selling records.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they able to kind of sell out arenas because they took that left turn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they, you know, they caught the brick, they absorbed the brick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is back in the days when

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[SPEAKER_00]: you didn't immediately get dropped from a label if you record didn't sell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it allowed them to kind of build their audience back up and reverse course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the reception is is much better from critics who, you know, I'm sure a lot of critics were kind of like my dad when, you know, what he was telling me, what he thought about the beasties,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The second album, there's a respect level, and I'm sure across hip-hop as well, and some people in hip-hop may have been like, ah, these guys are, they're not gonna last.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then the second album comes out, and it's the music is,

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[SPEAKER_02]: dust brothers who had been creating some tracks for their own instrumental album until the beasties heard them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were out in LA at this point, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, no, we want to use those albums.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of like the creation of this album is based on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then yeah, like we said sample heavy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so funny how

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[SPEAKER_02]: the the number I have is somewhere between 105 and 300 samples like it's people so people don't really know that like this might be something but we're not sure exactly right so uh... do you remember listening to it the first time

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I wasn't, I, first of all, initially I thought the B.C.

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[SPEAKER_00]: boys were corny and I don't know, maybe there was like a little militant person living inside my preteen self at the time, but I never like licensed to ill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was kind of like, like it was almost like a weird

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I remember hearing hey ladies on the radio and being like, yeah, this is kind of dope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got, you know, like all of these weird samples and these sounds from other records that I'm kind of familiar with and it has like a little sort of like 70s disco vibe to it, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where I was when I heard Paul's boutique for the first time, but I remember just being like, yo, this album is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just the production of it is pretty incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I gotta give the BC boys some credit there because if you listen to all the other stuff that the dust brothers did, like the dust brothers were doing like tone-loken, young MC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those tone-loken, young MC records sound nothing like Paul's boutique.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're had to have been some kind of collaboration there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, just from like a, you know, I'm 13, 14 years old, like I have my aunts and uncles and my grandparents, like record collection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know a lot of these old records that are getting samples.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just from like the standpoint of being able to recognize, oh, that's this record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's that record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, you know, I was interested from the first time I heard it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So head case said, uh, he remembers a quote from Chuck D, who said it was a dirty secret in the black community that Paul's boutique had the best beats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe in the hip hop community, I wouldn't say in the black community at large because black people were not fucking with the Beastie race in general.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, okay Chuck D, but I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you do look at hip hop production around that time, like public enemy, beasty boys, like it's funny because they mention this in the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, Paul's boutique and three feet high and rising about day-lasts, so I'm kind of like album cousins, because it feels like they're kind of cut from the same cloth, like there's a little bit of comedy there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a huge mixture of samples.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of quirky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, those two albums, and Paul's boutique came up like six months after day-lasts, so I was album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although, I believe the Beast of Boys said their album was finished before day-lasts was whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: those two albums are very similar to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the only song that really charted was the lead single, hey, ladies, as far as I can tell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And nothing else came out from that album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you are at the highest of highs and a lot of, you know, celebrity is so artificial in of itself, and then there's some anticipation and you come out again, and I wouldn't say they were the lowest of lows because they are still very well known, but.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you're trying to achieve the success of that first album and and it just it just doesn't happen and I wonder what their self esteem kind of how they felt about themselves as a group if they thought about quitting at that point like I wonder where they were when the reception to this album when they've really figured out that this was not going to be a hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would I would love to ask one of them that question by, you know, ad rock lives in the city still by seeing walk it around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Horvitz, yeah, I got a question for you want to be on a podcast, but yeah, I mean, it's also important to note just how much hip hop change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Licensed Ellen Paul's boutique because

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, life's still comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in the middle of like the run DMC reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, era, hip hop is still very much like, you know, posing like this and, you know, wearing your gold chain and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, our Kim comes out and BDP comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they're just, oh, and W8 comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's all of these changes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the genre just evolved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So quickly, it kind of just kicked all of the previous regimes artists out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how can you really understand?

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[SPEAKER_02]: what to do when the trends change so fast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So fast, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we did our LL episode that dropped last week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe after even doing the Specyboys research, I have so much more respect for LL.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even then we did, because we were preyed like the longevity that he's had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you realize, because we were talking about how panther,

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[SPEAKER_02]: is he's kind of in the same not from a sales perspective, but the the the respect or how hot he is changes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So quickly with just panther dropping, and then he's got to already have a comeback album at the young age of 25 or whatever with more said knock you out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's like 22, but that no fast things are changing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So

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[SPEAKER_02]: three years in hip-hop is like 20 years, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like 30 years in any of the genres.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, at that time, yeah, fascinating look back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I looked at the album sales again, like your numbers are probably better, but Lyce to Il does over 10.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul's boutique eventually, I think is now double platinum, but took a while to get there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that does about the same sales overall, but it was a more immediate hit when it dropped than Paul's boutique.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ill Communication and Hello Nasty are actually their second and third highest selling albums, 94 and 98.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then my favorite to the five boroughs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's platinum, but it also was not a giant hit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the...

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[SPEAKER_02]: at that point, by the time hot sauce committee comes out, you know, uh, well, which we'll talk about, uh, at the end of this MCA is already sick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe he's ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

59:33.323 --> 59:35.485
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're not able to do all of the stuff.

59:35.525 --> 59:51.540
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, there's a funny story in the book that the reason why it's called hot sauce committee part two is because the whatever, uh, whatever, um,

59:54.220 --> 01:00:13.545
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think some it'll turn up well I mean is now where you know we're 15 years in on hot So I'm pretty part one somebody somebody has to have it, but maybe maybe my dude who has that who tang out But the I just the idea that there's no other copy of this thing

01:00:13.525 --> 01:00:24.175
[SPEAKER_02]: like we we have one copy and so it was originally supposed to be a double album or part one comes out at some point and then part two comes out some some point later.

01:00:24.376 --> 01:00:26.562
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're just like, nope, we just only have part two.

01:00:26.602 --> 01:00:27.445
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's part two.

01:00:27.485 --> 01:00:28.969
[SPEAKER_02]: Hot sauce committee part two.

01:00:30.586 --> 01:00:33.349
[SPEAKER_02]: Who knows, that's hilarious.

01:00:33.489 --> 01:00:33.790
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:00:34.771 --> 01:00:38.095
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's do our Grammys Redux segment.

01:00:38.115 --> 01:00:48.226
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the evolution of of when you have artists who've been around for this long, the evolution of the Grammys as well, because the Grammys didn't even have a rap album category for a little while.

01:00:49.728 --> 01:00:53.032
[SPEAKER_02]: So I won't do all of them, because there's a lot.

01:00:53.753 --> 01:00:58.178
[SPEAKER_02]: But 1993, best rap performance by a duo or group.

01:00:58.238 --> 01:01:00.120
[SPEAKER_02]: Here are your nominees.

01:01:00.100 --> 01:01:26.715
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... house a pain jump around criss-cross jump there's a lot of jumping going on and jumping uh... public enemies greatest misses bc boys check your head rest of development tenancy uh... just going through those in my head uh... i would it's going to be in a tenancy or jump around for me um...

01:01:27.623 --> 01:01:32.183
[SPEAKER_00]: As you jump around, it's just kind of when it was all time or kind of songs.

01:01:34.677 --> 01:01:39.344
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, apparently jump would not have existed without jump around.

01:01:40.025 --> 01:01:40.526
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?

01:01:41.106 --> 01:01:42.448
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:01:42.468 --> 01:01:48.998
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I guess Germain Dupree got a hand on an early copy of a jump around and basically ripped it off for jump.

01:01:49.018 --> 01:01:50.941
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my, uh, come on, Jinky.

01:01:50.961 --> 01:01:51.061
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:01:51.882 --> 01:01:54.927
[SPEAKER_02]: If Don, G, G. Yes, exactly.

01:01:55.528 --> 01:02:01.016
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, yeah, man, I think I'm going, uh, I'm going house a pain on that, but the rest of development, a close second.

01:02:01.036 --> 01:02:03.840
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, rest of development wins.

01:02:04.394 --> 01:02:13.063
[SPEAKER_02]: house a pain, that song, sort of lasted throughout the test of time, like people still, he's still here that song you've run so out.

01:02:13.383 --> 01:02:18.308
[SPEAKER_00]: If you are a drunk white person that is your jam, you are a drunk white person over the age of 40.

01:02:18.428 --> 01:02:18.688
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:02:19.109 --> 01:02:21.671
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like dude over the age of 40.

01:02:21.831 --> 01:02:23.293
[SPEAKER_02]: When's the last time you heard jump?

01:02:26.216 --> 01:02:28.318
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't heard that song in a long time.

01:02:28.518 --> 01:02:28.818
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:32.342
[SPEAKER_00]: The Chris is maybe like a basketball game or something.

01:02:33.571 --> 01:02:44.343
[SPEAKER_02]: the the Mac daddy in the daddy Mac and so be yeah, be see if we're nominated then 1999 they're nominated again for intergalactic.

01:02:45.184 --> 01:02:51.591
[SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of a powerhouse of the late 90s when it comes to the songs nominated.

01:02:52.612 --> 01:03:00.000
[SPEAKER_02]: Jermaine Dupri and Jay-Z money anything

01:03:01.027 --> 01:03:11.805
[SPEAKER_02]: Rosa Parks, outcast, and ghetto superstar, pros, Maya and ODB, along with the Beastie Boys and Intergalactic.

01:03:11.825 --> 01:03:12.626
[SPEAKER_00]: Howcast, baby?

01:03:13.127 --> 01:03:15.110
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how does the Beastie Boys win this one?

01:03:15.270 --> 01:03:20.098
[SPEAKER_02]: Of all the years for them to win, this is the one that they won.

01:03:20.230 --> 01:03:26.886
[SPEAKER_00]: The Grammy Awards people are always like, man, we should have given them a word back in the day for the stuff that was better.

01:03:27.247 --> 01:03:28.550
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give them a late one now.

01:03:30.154 --> 01:03:33.102
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that was the the rationale.

01:03:33.142 --> 01:03:35.708
[SPEAKER_00]: Their outcast was still kind of on to come up.

01:03:36.228 --> 01:03:48.166
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, eventually they'd win like 11 million Grammys, but yeah, I mean intergalactic, which while it's a very fun song is not the best of that bunch.

01:03:48.347 --> 01:03:55.097
[SPEAKER_02]: No, and you know what's kind of amazing is, I just remember for whatever reason out here,

01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.565
[SPEAKER_02]: deja vu was huge.

01:03:59.086 --> 01:04:00.990
[SPEAKER_02]: It was I mean, giant song out here.

01:04:01.712 --> 01:04:03.597
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, obviously, I'm in New York.

01:04:03.757 --> 01:04:06.844
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it was absolutely enormous.

01:04:07.105 --> 01:04:14.241
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can imagine it's enormous out there, but in the bay area, I'm like, what do we have to do with Peter guns and Lord to re-care?

01:04:14.321 --> 01:04:14.622
[SPEAKER_02]: But,

01:04:14.602 --> 01:04:15.203
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.

01:04:15.483 --> 01:04:20.870
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, look, I was, I was at the New Edition concert last night and before they came on, the DJ played up town, baby.

01:04:20.950 --> 01:04:22.972
[SPEAKER_02]: Were there any opening ax or was it just the DJ?

01:04:23.273 --> 01:04:28.519
[SPEAKER_00]: Nah, it was just a DJ, and I mean, not just sidetracked, but they played for like damn near three and a half hours.

01:04:30.041 --> 01:04:30.722
[SPEAKER_02]: That is crazy.

01:04:31.163 --> 01:04:37.771
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, so, okay, so how long was the DJ set before new, before boys to men and new addition and Tony came out?

01:04:37.791 --> 01:04:38.652
[SPEAKER_02]: Like 25 minutes.

01:04:38.692 --> 01:04:39.673
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so it wasn't that long.

01:04:40.394 --> 01:04:42.837
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I went to a,

01:04:44.993 --> 01:04:46.295
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to admit this one on air.

01:04:48.479 --> 01:04:49.761
[SPEAKER_02]: Puff daddy in the family.

01:04:50.802 --> 01:04:56.552
[SPEAKER_02]: They did that that one tour before you knew well, how long ago was that like that when they did that last tour.

01:04:58.595 --> 01:04:59.577
[SPEAKER_02]: He did it last to work.

01:04:59.597 --> 01:05:05.046
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they just I want to say it was like 20 17 2018 something like that.

01:05:06.127 --> 01:05:07.710
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so.

01:05:08.011 --> 01:05:10.196
[SPEAKER_02]: It, you know, obviously, Puff Daddy was there.

01:05:10.216 --> 01:05:11.579
[SPEAKER_02]: A little cum was there.

01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:13.744
[SPEAKER_02]: Mace was there.

01:05:13.844 --> 01:05:17.011
[SPEAKER_02]: Like all the groups were there.

01:05:17.031 --> 01:05:22.082
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember we saw one, 12 was hanging out and like near where my office was.

01:05:22.723 --> 01:05:25.429
[SPEAKER_02]: So like they were all there.

01:05:25.409 --> 01:05:35.901
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing that I remember most is kind of figuring out how early should we show up, because we know that those dudes are not going to get on stage on time.

01:05:35.961 --> 01:05:40.106
[SPEAKER_02]: And there wasn't an opening act, but it was just the DJ.

01:05:40.847 --> 01:05:44.071
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we're like, okay, well, we'll we'll get out there.

01:05:44.091 --> 01:05:46.454
[SPEAKER_02]: It was me and me and my, my friend Lindsay.

01:05:47.195 --> 01:05:47.535
[SPEAKER_02]: And

01:05:48.798 --> 01:05:52.807
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they played for like over an hour, the DJ played over an hour.

01:05:52.827 --> 01:05:54.590
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was like a 730 start time.

01:05:54.651 --> 01:05:57.877
[SPEAKER_02]: The actual concert probably didn't start closer to like nine o'clock.

01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:01.445
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we're just in the audience for like an hour and a half.

01:06:02.247 --> 01:06:04.692
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the funnest most fun time.

01:06:05.273 --> 01:06:07.077
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what it reminded me of.

01:06:07.158 --> 01:06:28.862
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is even worse because, you know, if this is seven or eight years ago, I'm still in my younger 40s, but now would be kind of ridiculous, but it felt like the uncle and aunties like club is what it felt like because I think about what the bad boy audience is right at this point in that in that time people in their 40s and 50 right so it's like

01:06:29.281 --> 01:06:34.689
[SPEAKER_02]: Mary J. Blasch comes on and people go crazy, you know, and it, and so it was, but it was really, really fun.

01:06:34.769 --> 01:06:37.493
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can imagine that was a lot of fun last night.

01:06:38.073 --> 01:06:39.295
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it was the same thing.

01:06:39.355 --> 01:06:40.917
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe plus like five years.

01:06:42.620 --> 01:06:45.284
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, pretty much everybody in the crowd was over 40.

01:06:46.806 --> 01:06:49.129
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the DJ came on right at eight.

01:06:49.345 --> 01:06:50.587
[SPEAKER_00]: DJ stopped at 825.

01:06:51.028 --> 01:06:52.490
[SPEAKER_00]: New edition came on at 830.

01:06:52.550 --> 01:07:00.463
[SPEAKER_00]: There was an intermission between, like sort of before the quote unquote encore where the DJ played for like another 15 minutes.

01:07:01.765 --> 01:07:04.750
[SPEAKER_00]: But we didn't get out of the arena until probably midnight.

01:07:06.332 --> 01:07:08.796
[SPEAKER_00]: The replayed for made did a solid three hours.

01:07:10.318 --> 01:07:11.961
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, 2001.

01:07:13.375 --> 01:07:15.197
[SPEAKER_02]: the BC boys for alive.

01:07:15.357 --> 01:07:16.559
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to go find this song.

01:07:16.579 --> 01:07:17.901
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even know what this song was.

01:07:18.101 --> 01:07:18.762
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know that song.

01:07:18.822 --> 01:07:20.364
[SPEAKER_00]: It was on like the greatest hits record.

01:07:20.384 --> 01:07:24.589
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they last sold red man for U, which is an amazing song.

01:07:24.729 --> 01:07:25.410
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a banger.

01:07:26.011 --> 01:07:29.295
[SPEAKER_02]: Dr. Drey, Snoop Dogg, corrupt Nate Dogg, the next episode.

01:07:30.156 --> 01:07:35.282
[SPEAKER_02]: Jay-Z and UGK, Big Pippin, and Dr. Drey and Eminem forgot about Drey.

01:07:36.140 --> 01:07:38.063
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a day last soul for me.

01:07:38.463 --> 01:07:40.866
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the day last soul song is probably my favorite song.

01:07:40.967 --> 01:07:42.949
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'd go with the Jay-Z song after that.

01:07:43.049 --> 01:07:44.111
[SPEAKER_02]: But Dr.

01:07:44.131 --> 01:07:46.134
[SPEAKER_02]: Drain Eminem, of course, they're 2001.

01:07:46.174 --> 01:07:49.038
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you or not, you're not beaten, Dr.

01:07:49.058 --> 01:07:49.759
[SPEAKER_02]: Drain in 2000.

01:07:49.779 --> 01:07:51.381
[SPEAKER_02]: No, or Eminem.

01:07:52.202 --> 01:07:54.685
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, now fast forward to 2005.

01:07:54.725 --> 01:07:58.751
[SPEAKER_02]: This is an interesting list of songs here.

01:08:01.294 --> 01:08:03.177
[SPEAKER_02]: The Black Eyed Peas, let's get it started.

01:08:04.304 --> 01:08:09.051
[SPEAKER_02]: And let's not, let's not give them slack necessarily.

01:08:09.071 --> 01:08:13.418
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's not give them credit because that song had a different name before it became.

01:08:13.458 --> 01:08:14.299
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get it started.

01:08:16.122 --> 01:08:17.524
[SPEAKER_02]: Hammer was like, come on, guys.

01:08:17.865 --> 01:08:19.487
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't.

01:08:19.507 --> 01:08:30.244
[SPEAKER_02]: I know what your song is called.

01:08:35.371 --> 01:08:57.548
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say my favorite song there is probably drop it like it's hot, but that's not even like that's like best rap performance by a group right yeah like for us not even really on that song is any like doing stuff with this cheeks and

01:08:58.591 --> 01:09:02.658
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I'm going to give any one of those to the Beastie Boys, it would have been that one.

01:09:03.380 --> 01:09:05.504
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I mean, drop it like a shot as a banger.

01:09:06.485 --> 01:09:15.722
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like don't say nothing because, uh, my guy black thought creates mumble wrapping, uh, in the song.

01:09:16.462 --> 01:09:19.265
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's funny, you know, oh, go ahead.

01:09:19.445 --> 01:09:23.329
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was going to say, maybe I shouldn't give him credit because I had a problem with rapping today.

01:09:23.349 --> 01:09:23.970
[SPEAKER_00]: We're up.

01:09:23.990 --> 01:09:24.210
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:24.610 --> 01:09:24.951
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:09:24.991 --> 01:09:38.505
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember back in the, this was in the middle of the opinions days, and I remember somebody writing a review of that room album and being really upset that black thought is A that he's mumbling on a track and B talking about like cutting the check and all that stuff.

01:09:38.525 --> 01:09:46.333
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, I didn't know this then, but I realized after the fact like that whole course is from an old school, like a super old school hip hop record.

01:09:46.313 --> 01:09:47.054
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no way.

01:09:47.876 --> 01:09:47.976
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:09:47.996 --> 01:09:48.777
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's just ahead.

01:09:49.759 --> 01:09:49.959
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:09:51.642 --> 01:09:51.963
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:09:52.103 --> 01:10:06.629
[SPEAKER_02]: Now the only time as far as I can tell that they've been nominated for Best Rap album because Brett Best Rap album as a category did not exist was 20 2005 and here are your nominees.

01:10:07.130 --> 01:10:09.013
[SPEAKER_02]: Nelly for suit.

01:10:08.993 --> 01:10:12.878
[SPEAKER_02]: Sweat didn't what nominated suit and nominated.

01:10:13.779 --> 01:10:15.241
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if you asked them.

01:10:15.581 --> 01:10:18.885
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, okay, what makes suit so much better than sweat better?

01:10:19.706 --> 01:10:21.068
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they could answer that question.

01:10:21.188 --> 01:10:21.829
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

01:10:21.849 --> 01:10:22.750
[SPEAKER_02]: We just chose one.

01:10:24.212 --> 01:10:27.656
[SPEAKER_02]: L. Cool J for the definition, which we talked about.

01:10:27.916 --> 01:10:29.638
[SPEAKER_02]: Not not as fine as work.

01:10:29.798 --> 01:10:30.539
[SPEAKER_02]: That is best work.

01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:32.261
[SPEAKER_02]: Jay Z for the black album.

01:10:33.483 --> 01:10:37.768
[SPEAKER_02]: BC Boyce to the five burrows

01:10:39.284 --> 01:10:41.587
[SPEAKER_02]: college drop out college drop out one.

01:10:42.409 --> 01:10:42.629
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:10:44.512 --> 01:10:45.453
[SPEAKER_02]: Black album is dope.

01:10:45.693 --> 01:10:46.855
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the black album.

01:10:48.838 --> 01:10:54.125
[SPEAKER_02]: Slightly better than the college drop out only because you're talking about levels of rap skill.

01:10:54.786 --> 01:10:59.293
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, we were we were right there with the college drop out.

01:10:59.433 --> 01:11:00.735
[SPEAKER_02]: We were not yet

01:11:01.120 --> 01:11:05.347
[SPEAKER_02]: 30 and we were, we were like, this is some cool shit.

01:11:05.508 --> 01:11:06.670
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we can say that.

01:11:07.411 --> 01:11:11.618
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, maybe I don't think of, I haven't really listened to the album in a long time.

01:11:11.739 --> 01:11:13.942
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know how I would think about it today.

01:11:14.103 --> 01:11:20.494
[SPEAKER_00]: The way we felt about Kanye in 2003, 2004 is much different than the way that we feel about Kanye in 2026.

01:11:20.614 --> 01:11:22.858
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.

01:11:22.838 --> 01:11:24.400
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, Kanye wins.

01:11:24.480 --> 01:11:30.909
[SPEAKER_02]: And to the five burrows, like I said, my favorite BC's album, though, I know that it's probably not not not the majority there.

01:11:31.289 --> 01:11:31.630
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:11:31.650 --> 01:11:48.913
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, let's talk about MCA, Adam Yauk, July of 2009, his is when the news broke that he had cancer, he said that he had a cancer's

01:11:49.501 --> 01:11:51.204
[SPEAKER_02]: paratid gland.

01:11:51.304 --> 01:11:56.171
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a salivary gland and a nearby lymph node.

01:11:56.992 --> 01:12:04.624
[SPEAKER_02]: The band immediately canceled their headlining slot at Lala Palusa and postponed the release of the hot sauce committee part two.

01:12:05.445 --> 01:12:07.488
[SPEAKER_02]: Yoke underwent surgery and radiation.

01:12:07.548 --> 01:12:11.334
[SPEAKER_02]: He also because of his his beliefs at that point.

01:12:11.394 --> 01:12:12.556
[SPEAKER_02]: He was he was a Buddhist.

01:12:13.437 --> 01:12:18.765
[SPEAKER_02]: He also integrated Tibetan medicine and veganism into his recovery

01:12:18.745 --> 01:12:29.999
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there were some rumors a couple of years later that he was better, but he was like, nah, like this is not, I am not over this thing.

01:12:31.221 --> 01:12:38.430
[SPEAKER_02]: And then by April of 2012, the beasties are inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

01:12:39.311 --> 01:12:46.660
[SPEAKER_02]: Adam Yoke was too ill, so he could not go and Mike

01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:56.339
[SPEAKER_02]: uh and uh you know very very sentimental less than a month later he passes away at the age of 47 survived by his wife and their daughter.

01:12:56.359 --> 01:12:57.962
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.

01:12:57.982 --> 01:13:02.050
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you remember about this time frame and his passing?

01:13:02.958 --> 01:13:20.130
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I definitely, you know, remember him being sick and feeling like something that was weird because they did end up putting out the hot sauce committee album, but the BC boys would never actually, they didn't like promote the record, they didn't really do a whole lot of stuff.

01:13:20.151 --> 01:13:21.473
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember there was this whole, like,

01:13:23.090 --> 01:13:35.445
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, many feature or like something that had Elijah Wood and a couple other people like playing the Beastie Boys in the Beastie Boys weren't actually in it, which is kind of like a first indication that something's wrong.

01:13:35.525 --> 01:13:36.567
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:13:37.327 --> 01:13:44.316
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I mean, still to have him pass away like the young age that he did was, you know, very jarring.

01:13:45.077 --> 01:13:48.942
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wanna say him and Donna Summer died on the same day.

01:13:49.142 --> 01:13:51.645
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow.

01:13:53.060 --> 01:14:00.768
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they were both in 20, shortly after she died on May 17, 2012, so they died within a week of each other.

01:14:00.808 --> 01:14:07.095
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was just kind of like a weird time, but I mean, Adam Yelp was, you know, young.

01:14:09.037 --> 01:14:11.660
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, again, like really weird.

01:14:12.321 --> 01:14:18.227
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there is now like an Adam Yelp way in New York City.

01:14:18.267 --> 01:14:19.809
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a Beastie Boys mural.

01:14:20.169 --> 01:14:22.071
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually just realized.

01:14:27.113 --> 01:14:36.744
[SPEAKER_00]: I have this hoodie, which comes from my buddy Tom Slater, who works for oscilloscope, which is the film company founded by Adam Yelp.

01:14:37.605 --> 01:14:40.729
[SPEAKER_00]: And very coincidental that this hoodie is there.

01:14:41.150 --> 01:14:43.713
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I got that hoodie in 2012.

01:14:44.133 --> 01:14:44.774
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

01:14:45.174 --> 01:14:48.098
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I went, they had an office in Brooklyn.

01:14:48.478 --> 01:14:49.359
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's still there.

01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:52.783
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went to visit Tom, who's a friend of mine in Yelp.

01:14:52.803 --> 01:14:56.007
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he had only passed away and he'd be like a month or two before.

01:14:56.341 --> 01:15:04.831
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and was still coming to the office pretty regularly when he was ill, um, and I think his staff kind of knew that, you know, he was nearing the end.

01:15:04.951 --> 01:15:05.211
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:15:05.592 --> 01:15:08.335
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but, you know, he was able to keep all of that stuff very private.

01:15:08.775 --> 01:15:12.420
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and sort of the days before social media was really like a big big thing.

01:15:13.261 --> 01:15:16.705
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, you know, and doing this episode.

01:15:18.547 --> 01:15:24.053
[SPEAKER_02]: And kind of doing the look back and the research and listening to them talk about him.

01:15:24.472 --> 01:15:36.474
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not, you know, not that I had a strong relationship with Adam Yauke back in the day, but kind of revisiting who he was.

01:15:36.494 --> 01:15:39.038
[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of inspiring, man.

01:15:39.078 --> 01:15:41.603
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, this dude was,

01:15:41.718 --> 01:16:01.380
[SPEAKER_02]: open-minded and not necessarily down to do all of the things that maybe you do to take advantage of your celebrity and just a very interesting guy as far as his beliefs and him going and

01:16:01.360 --> 01:16:17.513
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, studying from the Tibetan monks and such to see how they deal with conflict and and those type of things, you know, how they can remain peaceful in not non peaceful situations and scenarios.

01:16:17.493 --> 01:16:18.314
[SPEAKER_02]: pretty amazing.

01:16:18.334 --> 01:16:21.097
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know he did some charity concerts and such.

01:16:21.498 --> 01:16:29.247
[SPEAKER_02]: He hosted them and was able to you know, make a lot of money for the charities and such.

01:16:29.267 --> 01:16:30.989
[SPEAKER_02]: So just such an interesting guy.

01:16:31.649 --> 01:16:39.619
[SPEAKER_02]: In retrospect, I kind of wish I had a little bit of more of a relationship with him as the BCs were aging up.

01:16:39.639 --> 01:16:41.661
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just was never really

01:16:41.641 --> 01:16:44.085
[SPEAKER_02]: into their music as much as everybody else was.

01:16:45.347 --> 01:16:55.843
[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like, and I don't know what you think about this, but I'm sure you have a lot of graphic t-shirts of different artists and celebrities and such.

01:16:55.923 --> 01:17:01.371
[SPEAKER_02]: I do, and I kind of hold back sometimes because I look at these t-shirts and I go, okay,

01:17:01.621 --> 01:17:04.284
[SPEAKER_02]: If I rock this Wu Tang shirt, what does that say?

01:17:04.324 --> 01:17:05.925
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it say I'm a Wu Tang super fan?

01:17:05.945 --> 01:17:07.607
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm not really a Wu Tang super fan.

01:17:07.627 --> 01:17:13.713
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I like the Wu Tang a lot, but I wouldn't say that, you know, if they come out here to play, I'm buying a ticket first day.

01:17:14.394 --> 01:17:15.415
[SPEAKER_02]: Same with like Run DMC.

01:17:15.435 --> 01:17:18.998
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I was a little too young to really be super duper into Run DMC.

01:17:19.058 --> 01:17:21.921
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the time I got into hip-hop, they were already old news.

01:17:22.342 --> 01:17:26.886
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if I should rock this Run DMC shirt because they're not my guys, but

01:17:26.866 --> 01:17:27.607
[SPEAKER_02]: L.L.

01:17:28.448 --> 01:17:30.070
[SPEAKER_02]: Park like those are my guys.

01:17:30.110 --> 01:17:31.812
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, of course I'll wear this t-shirt.

01:17:32.833 --> 01:17:49.551
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought about that because I'm like after reading this book, watching that stamp that live show they did, going back through the music and just really revisiting their career, I think I can rock a beasty shirt now.

01:17:49.652 --> 01:17:55.438
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I feel about them

01:17:55.857 --> 01:18:04.112
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have a Beastie Boyz T-shirt, I have Beastie Boyz socks, you know, and, you know, I've

01:18:05.105 --> 01:18:07.267
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've ever been like a super fan.

01:18:07.287 --> 01:18:13.293
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been a fan, like I've bought all of their albums, at least in non-instrumental albums, bought those when they came out.

01:18:14.133 --> 01:18:34.032
[SPEAKER_00]: But the book went to the event in Brooklyn where they, which they eventually filmed, saw them perform back in O4 on the Five Burrows tour, which I think also ended up being made into a movie.

01:18:34.012 --> 01:18:47.464
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, you know, I've followed them, I think there's something intrinsic, like, you know, about them being New Yorkers and being a New Yorker, there's a really the ability there, you know, and also like they just seem like.

01:18:49.655 --> 01:18:57.937
[SPEAKER_00]: you can tell like some people get into music because it's going to make them rich and or famous and I guess that's fine.

01:18:58.659 --> 01:19:04.896
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the BC boys got into music because they love music and they never really seem to be like

01:19:04.876 --> 01:19:17.532
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we want to be famous, we want to floss, we want to be like rich in extravagant, you know, whatever, like it's they've always seemed very like down earth and in it just to like for the spirit of music in this period of community.

01:19:17.572 --> 01:19:20.656
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I did actually see ad rock on a street.

01:19:22.738 --> 01:19:25.421
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he seems like type person I would want to like have a cup of coffee with.

01:19:25.482 --> 01:19:28.285
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and you know, I will say.

01:19:29.328 --> 01:19:32.513
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't even consider myself a super fan of their music.

01:19:33.574 --> 01:19:35.437
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a fan of those three men.

01:19:36.278 --> 01:19:41.045
[SPEAKER_02]: Man is what is what it turns out to be and their group and what they stood for and what they stand for today.

01:19:41.165 --> 01:19:43.769
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I became a super fan of.

01:19:43.789 --> 01:19:44.731
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm gonna have to say.

01:19:44.751 --> 01:19:49.197
[SPEAKER_00]: And their evolution as people looked there, older us.

01:19:49.978 --> 01:19:53.684
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, they are, I always say this.

01:19:54.244 --> 01:19:56.027
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm always looking for clues.

01:19:56.446 --> 01:20:02.815
[SPEAKER_02]: into people who are older than me to give me an idea of how to age correctly and gracefully.

01:20:02.835 --> 01:20:12.229
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think those dudes are doing it right, you know, as far as we can tell, we're not close to them, but as far as I can see their public persona, it feels like they're doing it right.

01:20:12.609 --> 01:20:24.867
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I love to have learned from this episode is just those guys and what they stand for today versus what I just always assumed who they were when I was younger, you know, that that changed.

01:20:24.847 --> 01:20:28.833
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so this is only our second live stream.

01:20:29.053 --> 01:20:36.545
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll do some of these here and there are a lot of times that are okay because because we have to adjust our schedules in some way.

01:20:37.006 --> 01:20:39.590
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this sometimes it just works out to go live.

01:20:39.730 --> 01:20:41.533
[SPEAKER_02]: But we'll do more of these.

01:20:41.573 --> 01:20:42.634
[SPEAKER_02]: We won't do a lot of them.

01:20:42.674 --> 01:20:47.682
[SPEAKER_02]: I still like the idea of not having to record.

01:20:47.662 --> 01:20:51.086
[SPEAKER_02]: directly and not being able to adjust anything on the fly if we do.

01:20:51.446 --> 01:20:57.133
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is it is also fun to do it this way and we want to shout out head case for hanging out with us.

01:20:57.413 --> 01:21:06.504
[SPEAKER_02]: I think head case is coming out with some some new music at some point, which I told him if he gets if he gets that thing press on vinyl, I'm day one hitting hit and buy on that thing.

01:21:06.584 --> 01:21:09.467
[SPEAKER_02]: So shout out to head case for hanging out with

01:21:09.447 --> 01:21:12.192
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we've now known for like 20 something years.

01:21:12.693 --> 01:21:16.580
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he said in the chat that he's not 40 yet.

01:21:16.661 --> 01:21:19.566
[SPEAKER_02]: So we knew him when he was like a teenager.

01:21:19.786 --> 01:21:21.009
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which that's crazy.

01:21:21.910 --> 01:21:22.191
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:21:22.251 --> 01:21:28.603
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll be back with the top five episode of our BC boys journey here.

01:21:28.583 --> 01:21:31.849
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, my no-skips rating is a 10 for Paul's boutique.

01:21:31.869 --> 01:21:33.432
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I totally forgot about that.

01:21:34.675 --> 01:21:37.220
[SPEAKER_02]: It is it is it is high up on that list for me, too.

01:21:37.240 --> 01:21:42.991
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I would give it a 10, but I was at least an eight plus as I was re-listening to it.

01:21:44.594 --> 01:21:48.381
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not an eight plus with some of his other albums, which

01:21:48.361 --> 01:21:59.561
[SPEAKER_02]: lean a little heavier on on the rock stuff and you know um but there are still some songs as you will hear in my top five that that I still ride with uh on those other albums.

01:21:59.802 --> 01:22:00.062
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:22:00.763 --> 01:22:06.614
[SPEAKER_02]: For Mike I am double G we will see you when we see you piece out.

01:22:06.634 --> 01:22:07.315
[SPEAKER_02]: Peace.