Ranking Janet Jackson Songs: Top 5 Hits and Best 3 Albums | Top 5

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's top five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's interesting is, I didn't really have anything, even unbreakable as good of an album as that is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really have anything that has stayed with me as long as the songs on her 86 through velvet rope time frame.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where my top five lays heavy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But before we actually get to there,

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[SPEAKER_02]: what like if you were to rank her top three albums, how would you do it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Control number one, elimination number two, number three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, control number one, velver number two, elimination number three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would flip and I think rhythm nation is

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[SPEAKER_02]: it I think it's it's not as good song for song actually if you take like the top nine to the let's say top five for top five on both albums I would lean rhythm nation just because it's probably because of where I was when that album came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got me, you got me, you got me rethinking my whole joint right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but, but because control is shorter and concise, it is so much of a more familiar listen, because with the rhythm nation, you got to go through interlage, you got to go through songs that you may not listen back, but that's not what that album was for, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That album that album has those familiar tracks, but then it has some other things because of what they were trying to say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think rhythm nation is the better overall album, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, six in one hand, half a dozen in the other like before, I actually like a Janet period better than velvet rope, but again, that's 1993, and I'm looking at this woman and going like, marry me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: where has she been all of my life like kind of thing right because she like she's always been attractive, but in Rhythm Nation, that was not the purpose of that album until the level never do video, which was like this like weird thing where you're like okay what's the next video and you know she's in this military gear which Michael then leans on heavily after Rhythm Nation right before and after and and so then she you know when level never do comes out

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[SPEAKER_02]: she's actually like a sex symbol, you know, where did I came from?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Where did they come from?

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, then that's when that's the way love goes, comes out, starring a young Jennifer Lopez dance in the background.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I was just like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is the woman of 1993 right here, like she is just winning at all costs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She, she could have been, you know, maybe the most the biggest celebrity in my life at that point, you know, maybe next to Michael Jordan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, control Janet was cute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Reformation Janet was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Janet Janet was sexy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was an amazing transition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's what her albums to me are, is that amazing transition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Evolution.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now let's go top five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have two, I'm guessing our lists are going to be quite different, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I have two honorable mentions that I wanted to get your thoughts on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, all for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a fun summary song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun, I don't, it's not my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not something I go back to a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a playlist song for that ass though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you're talking about her post really famous time period, like what other familiar songs come from that era of Janet?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it certainly her most popular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, all for you was, I think, her last big

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, sort of like monoculture hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's some kind of got played out for me a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: there are other songs on that album that I think I like more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though I'm realizing I haven't really listened to that album in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a it's a time and place thing I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, by the way, we got another comment that says, rhythm nation is my favorite, but yeah, I realize why that level never do video in middle school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, in that video,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was one of those things where people saw it and came to school the next day and were like, yeah, well, you know, the funny thing is, I would have never really dug into that song as much before I saw the video, but after I saw the video, then I liked that song a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why videos are there for, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they enhanced, when they're done right, they enhanced the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she had a few, uh, the guy that, uh, was it to open the guy's in that video went on to become, uh, famous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it was one of them, uh, Antonio Sabato Jr. Antonio Sabato Jr.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking Antonio Ben Deros and I was that have been a different video I think of than to have been Deros.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He would have been, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... for what he plays the the cat and puts in boots doesn't he wasn't yes uh... okay and a black gentleman in the video i'm not going to mangle his name uh... but was also or is also a pretty uh... popular actor uh... what the hell was he in uh... crap uh...

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[SPEAKER_00]: quiet place to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are, I mean, I'm a stud.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know who you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was also in a very early episode of Beverly Hills, and I don't do I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not going to jack his name by trying to pronounce it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just the other the other one that I wanted to add so badly, but it just didn't

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[SPEAKER_02]: Love, love, love, love that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, that might be my least favorite song on the velvet robe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love her voice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the joyfulness and the playfulness and the young sound of her voice and that song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's get to the top five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you kick off your number five?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and I'm looking at my actually ended up making 10 and now I'm just kind of like moving stuff around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my number five is if the video is definitely a part of that, but it's such like a sexy song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a bunch of remixes of if that are dope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a house mix that's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a hip hop mix that's dope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like a very unique sounding song for its era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think actually if you listen to screen,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scream is kind of like a cousin of, like, musically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those songs sound very similar to one another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's jam and Lewis taking all these elements from like industrial, nine inch nails, ministry, kitesite music, it really kind of like turning it into, like a pop song, basically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great record.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They asked jam and Lewis about the beginning of that song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was like, yeah, preset number X, Y, and Z.

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[UNKNOWN]: He's pushing buttons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, number five for me, this isn't technically a Janet solo track.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm kind of cheating, um, the best thing in life for free.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're pulling out some interesting ones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a time and place thing again for me because I, I, I was one of those dudes who was like, Mo money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I need to see that like first day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Damon Wands, Stacey Dash, like, I think it's probably remembered a little bit better than what I thought of it when I watched it, but it was an attempt for Damon to kind of become Eddie, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to become like this new movie star and never really happened, but he had a good career and, you know, he's had a fantastic career overall, but from the perspective, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: That song because it's it's got Luther and it's got our guys on there and that was like an all star kind of game really is kind of like an all star Luther Janet BBD and Ralph.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I, you know, it's a fun song again a song that I don't come back to a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know the the other thing about that song though, which it was unless you had the soundtrack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was kind of hard to just find or listen to like if you wanted to listen to it like you I think you had to have that touch I don't remember where else I could have found that song I mean I had the cassette single so it's definitely a single I'm not sure where that song lives on streaming services now I'm not sure if the moment he soundtrack is available and I do think that

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[SPEAKER_00]: like Janet and Luther both have it on greatest hits albums, but they're different mixes of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, I, you know, again, a great song, I think that summer that it was out, I just played it to death.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The it is, corn and apple music, the mo money soundtrack is streaming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So also on that soundtrack,

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[SPEAKER_02]: MC light high screen dream Johnny Gill, but the Johnny Gill song is not available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is Yeah, they they they they blocked out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's blocked out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sucks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, public enemy Colour me bad with whatever love and of course Ralph himself with money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, sounds of blackness, jam and Lewis have their own song on the soundtrack, and then lots of little cut, you mentioned Big Daddy Kane, lots of cuts from the movie as well, mint condition and the Harlem yacht club.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I just remember like the most money soundtrack and the boomerang soundtrack came out around the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my money was jam and Lewis, boomerang was LA and baby face, so it was a really like interesting competition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, jam and Lewis should have been like hey man, can we borrow some of that boys to men?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, well, yes, I ended the road, man, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to watch Boomerang again, you know, sometime this year, I'm on a movie kick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been just going through tons and tons of movies and doing rewatches and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I boomerang's coming up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Strong J. Dude, that the whole thing, like, it was Eddie's answer to Spike Lee essentially, like, you know, why are you not helping out

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, all of the black people in Hollywood, like you need to put your people on, you're a big enough star, like, and it was like, okay, like, I gotta do it now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to know what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who is, I mean, there's a whole, who's, who of 90s comedy that's in boomerang, Martin Martin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Martin says he was a little fat in that movie, though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a little shame to being kind of fat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: David Allen Greer, who you're now in Greer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you've seen St. Dennis on Peacock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great, it's very similar to like an office in a hospital.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And but Dag is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's so underrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's such a great actor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what people, I, I, there's a book on, in living color.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh that's a really really good like oral history of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And David Allen grid did not come from comedy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came from the theater.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He still does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he is like a trained actor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything in a very good social media follow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also a parent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're a very good cook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he'll do cooking videos on on the internet for a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's someone who I constantly grew for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I just love seeing him and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're gonna on a deep tangent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what that's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is number four?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So number four is the only song on my list that was not a single.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is also the only song on my list from Rhythm Nation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That song is lonely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say a Janet deep cut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But um, I've always loved that song like you like every time because it's a very like vulnerable kind of sounding song, it makes me think, you know, I go back to why I like that song for a second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll let you finish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of made me feel like maybe Jen needs me, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and that's kind of like the magic sauce to some of this stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it just makes me want to go be a bigger fan and, you know, go to her stuff and support her and, like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good ahead it out there, like punch Renee in the face, been like, Oh, I would out of smoke that guy, I would have put him in a room and he could choke, made him tap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is not looked very well upon in that documentary, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, you know, I Janet put out a book that I read and she was basically like, I'm legally not obligated to talk about this dude, so I can't talk about this dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, I want to be Papa Gill at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he just, I think he was just like a strange cat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the only real thing I know of him is like the minute in the movie, poet Augustus, where he's a lucky songboy, that that's it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, okay, go back to your lonely conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, yeah, it's it's it's such like a vulnerable song, um, and, you know, I mean, it's a universal sentiment, right, everybody needs a friend call me if you lonely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like it's a very like warm hug of a song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So my next two songs, I understand things that get played out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because then you're like, oh man, like I listen to that so many times, I kind of ruined it for myself in a way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now these songs fit that, but what I did, I'll just put these two together for three and four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What I did, I stayed away from these songs for the longest time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And three and four, one, three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Three and four for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The next two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're four was every time, no?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, my six, every time is on a little mention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got all, I got all messed up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's just my fault, because I had some honorable mentions, but Escapade and Miss You Much were so played out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I took a break.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I literally took a break from rhythm nation for the longest time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I was like, so many of these songs are so memorable because 1989 is probably the year where I listened to the most music, humanly possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I was like 13 years old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in my bedroom, you know, playing video games and listening to top 40 radio constantly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I took a step away from rhythm nation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel joy from those songs rather than like, oh my gosh, I heard this song so many times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So those are foreign three for me, is a miss you much in Escapade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting thing that you bring up because so, really the nation came out fall of 89.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fall of 89 is when I started a high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not only were those songs on a radio on every station, every format you can think of constantly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that year was the year that I started like getting a little bit of allowance money and being able to spend it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And where I went to high school,

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[SPEAKER_00]: to get on the train, you would have to pass by if you're in New York City, you know, full and street, which is this big area in Brooklyn, where they have a bunch of like shops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like the hood, you know, sort of downtown area for Brooklyn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there used to be,

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[SPEAKER_00]: all of these African people that would just hang out on the street and set up like their little carts and they would sell, you know, mostly bootleg cassettes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the cassettes were usually either four bucks or five bucks or three for ten.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would, you know, every couple of the week because my lounge was only five bucks a week back then save up my money and buy a cassette and I'm pretty sure one of the first if not be very first but like a set I ever bought was really nation and I played that sucker out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Constantly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, again, like younger people, you have access to every music ever made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, back in the day, you were limited to the radio and what you had in your house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Reformation stayed on repeat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's probably part of the reason why I don't have any song, other than lonely, had any songs from Reformation on this list because I still enjoy hearing them, but they got played to death.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, totally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 100%.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, and, you know, when her career starts going in a different direction, Rhythm Nation kind of falls a bat, takes a back seat because she's coming out with other albums that I'm just completely into.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then this post career where we're like, okay, because I'm, you and I are listening to these Janet albums in real time and going like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to like it, but it's not, you know, whatever, and she's chasing this and that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so then you go, okay, now I want to listen to the Janet that I really enjoyed, and then you kind of revisit, and you re-learn, it's like almost like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, watching a movie for a fourth or fifth time, you're not watching it necessarily for the story because, you know, the story from the back of your hand, you're watching for other things that you've never realized before and I think you can do that same thing with albums because if I listen to Rhythm Nation at 13 years old,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a much smaller knowledge of things that are happening in the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now listening to it at 49 is just much different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But also, Janet herself, it would be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, they don't do this with albums.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it would be interesting to have like a director's cut.

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[SPEAKER_02]: of rhythm nation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you hear the song and then Janet talks about here are the things that I was thinking of at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then now, as someone in their 50s, like here's what I think about it now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that would be cool, but it's also for nerds like us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would increase albums sales or anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think of it in that way as well, which is, oh, wow, how was I listening to this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, how do I hear it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is kind of a fun way to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a passive thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very active listening kind of thing, but it's cool in the same way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually thinking, rhythm nation, actually, most of Janet's albums have so many remixes and alternate versions and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like at some point in her career, they need to just make expanded versions of all of these albums and put them on streaming, where they've done it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did it with any heartbreak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the new addition albums are now like two,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever the digital variant of like two CDs would be we're like the first disc is the original album and second disc is like all the remixes and instrumentals and all the versions stuff I mean I have a ton of Janet Jackson 12 inch singles in here and you know, even like on a radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of the songs that a lot of the way that you heard these songs on a radio was in a different version than the way they existed on the albums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there were remixes and all that other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it would be great if somebody who's listening would be like, oh, let's do second version of this with all of the different remixes and get all that stuff on streaming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are like four remixes and that is called the Deluxe Edition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For velvet rope, there are, they do the second disc thing, like you said, on the velvet rope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they have like 13 different remixes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they do that for velvet rope and for Janet, not for Rhythm Nation, not for control.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And oddly, they have it for discipline.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think there's only like one extra one or two extra tracks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not consistent with what Deluxe means.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think the version that you're talking about, they do it for the velvet rope, which is the only one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, there's a whole Janet remix album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This never came out in the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an import copy, but and this doesn't even have like all the good remix is on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's so much material.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Janet fans was really appreciate having available digitally.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went through.

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[SPEAKER_02]: both my three and four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll get to leave you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you at three?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of remixes, number three for me is Pleasure Principle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And half of that is the remex version, which is the one that everybody knows from the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And second part of that is the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pleasure Principle is my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Janice Jackson video might be my favorite video all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just her dancing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, she's gorgeous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And jeans is doing some guest jeans type stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, I just like the perfect perfect video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still I still like get off to that song like it's it's so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the story of the remix?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The remix was more for the radio version when they released it as a single right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, pleasure principle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the sixth single from the control album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was pretty common practice for like dance and R&B records to give a little spit shine when you put the single version out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at this point, control a bit up for a year and a half, pleasure principle, as the album version had gotten plenty of playing on the radio already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they got a Shet Pettybone who is an incredible remixer, has remixed so many, so many great songs to like put a little bit of polish on it

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[SPEAKER_00]: He killed it, you know, that single version is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you go ahead and give your number two as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My number two is nasty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, the kids overuse this word nasty is iconic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, just the beat was so different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the attitude was so different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though she's kind of, you know, talking in this like Sandra from two to seven boys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, everybody talks about, you know, my first day mate, baby is Janet, Ms. Jackson, if you're nasty, like that's, you know, that turned into a piece of pop culture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it still is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ms. Jackson, if you're nasty, is everybody knows what that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just such an incredible record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, one thing that I don't think gets talked about enough is A controls the first new jack swing record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's like a whole generation of female rappers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know that there's a song and pepper without control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that there's an MC light, about control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the influence that it had was so vast across multiple genres of music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that song, particularly I think, is just, you know, it's an R&B song, but it's got hip-hop swag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jam was saying like when he was talking about Janet's voice, he was like, Janet has a nice voice, but that's not why she's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the way that she can enunciate and sing words with a certain edge or with a certain style or with a certain swag to them, and that's what she's doing in this song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like imagine singing nasty without the attitude, like it's like, okay, but it's the attitude and it sells the song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the tone of her voice and the way that she's able to put that little whatever it is on the edge of that word, and that's what Jam said made her great was her ability to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and again, like I just think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that album and she was so groundbreaking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, no other young female black artist was out at that time doing the things that Janet did on that album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was just a TLC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't have happened without Janet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, my number two is actually my favorite Janet Jackson song of all time, but it is not number one in my top five, it's that's the way love goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's my favorite Janet song like sing like to sing it to kind of bought my head to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's it's it's like everything that I that I enjoy about her, it's not her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: riskiest track.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not her saltyest track, but I thought it was like the perfect first single for for that album.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just love that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, your number two is my number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the way love goes is my number one and there's a like hit the song itself is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the intro and about that spoken word intro and to be a yeah, the brandy voice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like there's two little stories I'll tell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, one is it's one of those songs where I can actually remember exactly where I was the first time that I heard it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in bed and I was listening to the mornings in 100, which I think still exists in New York City, I know like this is a world premiere of the new Janet Jackson song and they played it and I was like, wow, this sounds different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This doesn't sound anything like Janet Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember the DJs afterwards were like, oh, this is, you know, a new sound

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so it was just like, you know, at that time, if you knew a new Janet Jackson song was going to come out, you assumed that it was just going to be this like high energy like dancing doing all this stuff and she did a complete 180.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was a very like daring thing to do at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The second story, and I think I've mentioned this to you before, or at least I've written about it before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I graduated high school in 1993, and I remember we were

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a rehearsal like a whole like three day block three day period block that we rehearsed for our graduation ceremony because my graduating class was 1200 people and it was in this huge auditorium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're in graduation rehearsal and you know those of you that live in New York City know that the school year actually ends pretty late and at the end of just like the June 25th, June 26th around there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's already summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's hot as hell inside the auditorium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1200 people, like you think senior writers is bad waiting till it's like two days before graduation and that level of senior writers is just like you can almost like taste it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody's restless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody like open the door that like let outside and then just at that point a car drill vinyl is blasting that's the

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[SPEAKER_00]: temperature of the room changed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like everybody just kind of like went, oh, at like the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was such like a crazy like visceral collective moment and it was a piece of music that brought that on just like a random June day in Brooklyn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the way love goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll always hold a special place in my heart for a number of reasons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So my number one is uh got to let's gone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of some of that has to do with Q-tip, who we will talk about in the L. CoolJap so that we have on tap in a couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Joni Mitchell, according to Jimmy Jam, Joni Mitchell herself says that there is rarely a day where someone comes up to her and says, or that someone doesn't come up to her and says, Joni Mitchell never lies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, that again, you know, talking about that, because it's the first single off the velvet rope, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's a change up there, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're, you know, you can tell just by that single and by the video, by the way, that this album is going to be different and it's not going to be Janet part two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be a completely different thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, for me, being a tribe fan, knowing Q-tip was in the movie, poetic justice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then knowing that they are working together again, like that spoiler alert, he's not in the movie very, no, no, he gets killed off pretty quickly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they just the the fact that these two just fantastic artists work together again It's like kind of like that all-star thing for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I always always always always get excited When two people who I think are great and who are also my favorite work together like that just sends it in a different direction for me I'm like, oh, you know the anticipation and just my love for it So

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's not my favorite song, but it is what I would put as number one for my for my top five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great song and I actually had got to live gone at number five on my list and I switched it up for if at the last minute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's fine because it helped my playlist, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you don't know, Mike takes our top five and he adds some other songs that he thinks works and he creates a playlist for each episode that we do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we will have one on 50 for 50.net sometime later in the week on our genet stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I am that that that that thing's going to be fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I can't wait to pop it in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I I accept the pressure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We did the long episode because of the live stream.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we will break it up as as people understand this show and we'll be back later this week with an episode of the cool check-in as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So for Mike, I'm double G, we will see you when we see you piece out.