TLC: CrazySexyCool & Why the Biggest Girl Group Went Broke (1994) | 50 For 50

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Mike, we are now in the 1994.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about TLC's crazy sexy cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as we generally do on these shows,

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[SPEAKER_00]: want to start off, you know, where, where are you in 1994?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have done a couple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've we've done some 90s album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't imagine it's much different from our previous discussions of 90s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have we done?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1990s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, 1996, all lies on me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've done two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Education in the, in Lauren Hill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you know, kind of close to the same age, but is there any difference here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that for me, it was the year that I graduated high school, but you actually graduated high school a year earlier and how did that happen, by the way, I went straight in in first grade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never did kindergarten.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you were five, you went in as a first grader as a first grader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my stepdaughter is now 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to be 11 in a few in a couple months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when when I met her, she was four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would always joke with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you need to like, graduate at at 16 and go to college immediately because then then your mom and I don't have to deal with any kids in the house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was always a joke and with her and then so I was like, I kind of revisited that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, all right, where are we now, you know, you got to be able to graduate high school at 16, you're about to be in the, you know, in the fifth grade,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I don't know anything that's happening though, I don't necessarily want that happening either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But how did that work for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, did you feel younger?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did it feel awkward?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or did you fit in?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think looking back on it, it seems like it was a little awkward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I graduated high school like three weeks after I turned 17.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which now that you think about it is kind of crazy because all of my classmates were 18 and up at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like when it was, as it was happening, I was always very cognizant of the fact that I was the youngest person in the class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't have like the emotional intelligence to know how it affected me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now with years of retrospect, I can be like, oh, you know, maybe it would have been better to have me with kids my own age.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think also part of that is I've always been comfortable with people who are not even just school, but you know my family dynamic I've always been comfortable with around people who are few years old and for most comfortable with people who are a few years older I almost would would have rather hung out with people a little bit older, but not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a couple years older, more like 10 or 15 years older just because the conversations that I wanted to have about specific subjects, nobody my age could kind of have those conversations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see related to sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like my dad's friends or people like my dad's age, I could have those conversations with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I could also learn about history from them and just people my age weren't really as interested in those things as I was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to basically answer your first question, uh, it's crazy sexy cool came out, uh, and in 1994, I was 18.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was already living on my own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was living in an apartment with two roommates, who were a couple, a shout out to Monica and Olga, wherever you are in the universe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was working at Tower Records in New York City, so I was around people who were five, six, seven years older than I was because the track that I was on as an 18-year-old kind of living on my own trying to figure stuff out is the track a lot of the people I worked with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: were on as well because they were just getting out of college moving to New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were 23, 24, 25 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very weird thing where we were sort of, I mean, we were certainly equals in terms of like job responsibility and stuff like that, but in terms of maturity, you know, I was a year and a half out of high school and these folks had to have the whole college experience and all that other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I would have, like I said, year of graduation, and then when this album comes out in November, I'm in my first semester of college, which was a very eye-opening experience, because I remember it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember being like getting like my first semester report card for college and just being like, huh, this was a lot harder than I realized it was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also at that time, sort of figuring out like, okay, like how I adapted in high schools a little bit different and how I'm going to adapt in college and I'm going to figure this thing out the same way that it didn't high school and that first report card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was the only report court I think in college I that was that I had that was that actually had to see on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I had like a C plus and like one of my classes and I was like okay this is a little different and then I figured it out and you know so be it as people do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 1994 also is a big year for me for athletics because being in being a high school senior and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of a little bit of a come to Jesus moment of figuring out that okay my high school career is over I had been playing baseball for my entire life to get up to this moment and then it's over and then what do you do like what I did all the crazy transition it's a crazy transition man and and so

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[SPEAKER_00]: what I decided I just continued to play pretty much until I was like 29 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just played every summer because it was like an extension of high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was able to play as an adult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not as, you know, it's pretty competitive, obviously, but it's more people who want to play then, you know, going through the high school system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so from an athletic standpoint, it was like, I was finally, it was my year, even though we sucked, but it really was my year as a baseball player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you know, best player on my team and in all that, but we were terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it didn't really matter that much, but yeah, 94 you were the, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be somewhere else right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We wouldn't be doing this podcast again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We might be doing it, but we might be doing it out of like a studio or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I might be flying in to do these episodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a Cooper Flag of my team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the year that this album comes out, TLC is already a successful group because their previous album, ooh, on the TLC tip, came out a couple of years earlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And would that have been, gosh, 90, was it 92 or 93 that that came out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like spring, 92.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because I remember,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you're young and you have these landmark memories.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is how I remember the original TLC album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One, their videos were on MTV and they were colorful and young and a little bratty and hip and just I just like these three young ladies are like the coolest women out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I remember being in history class and there was a discussion

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[SPEAKER_00]: With some guys, go on like, okay, who's the cutest out of all of the TLC members?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there was actually some, you T-boss is a looked a little older and she and the way that she looked wasn't really conventional to like a young kid's crush.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was, because T-boss has really nice features, especially her, she has like really smooth looked to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I got there's some, there's some T-boss votes and there was some left eye votes, left eye head like that young, crazy energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, guys,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scott to be chilly like what do you guys thinking about like what do you guys have been talking about like chilly is clearly the most attractive of the three so from then on like I was like a chilly dude like she was just my favorite and there were moments in my young career where I was like you know what I'm not after Mary chilly like she's just she's just she's just that you know she's just that that person by the way fast forwarding like a a bunch of years

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever watch that VH one show of basically trying to find chili a man?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was the thing that existed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say I watched it, but it's really fuzzy in my brain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our guy, Usher was on it because they had their thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember Floyd Mayweather was on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They went out on a date and they went roller skating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I do not remember that at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know who she's dating now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least I'm pretty sure She is very involved with macular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see Lawrence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All she has to do is go into the WB and throw in some brotherly love when she entered her man would have been right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just watched Mrs. Dalfire the other day

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, he was in there, I forgot completely forgot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just I always think of Matthew Lawrence as like obviously Joey Lawrence is a little brother from like, give me a break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they played characters on give me a break name, Joey and Matthew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when we were watching Mrs. Doubtfire, Crystal, my wife, who's five years younger than me, she was like, is that Joey, I was like, no, if you would know it was Joey, because Joey was already like full on wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you would have been that you would have gotten a wall or two in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny, I mean, my initial, so I didn't have MTV growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was restrictions on where I could watch, and I was not allowed to watch cable without permission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't have MTV, but we did have in New York City was a legendary show called Video Music Box, which was on public access TV, it was on channel 31, UHF station.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was basically 90 minutes of the latest cutting edge New York Center like hip hop and R&B videos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would air at, I believe, 330, Monday to Friday, and then air at noon on Saturdays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like every new breaking hip hop and R&B artists from like the mid 80s through like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the mid-90s, their video, the first time I saw the video would have been on that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I remember seeing an A2 Pratt's big video and it being like super colorful and you know, all these girls and you know, left eyes wearing, they were wearing a condoms and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you were right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was very brash and it was very kind of in your face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember, I can't completely verify this, but I remember reading or hearing that TLC

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is perfect for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because, yeah, I mean, seriously right in the pocket, but also going back to your chili story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the company that I worked for at the time and still worked for now, put out the last TLC Studio album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I never got to meet Tion or Chili, but Chili called the office one day and we put her on speaker phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh my God, like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, Chile is still, I mean, she's in her mid 50s at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like she has an age to gain 30 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So big shout out to Chile, whatever fountain they used to, you know, triggering from the Lady Crave, it's for all fountain of youth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she looks amazing still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to run down the quick and dirty version of the origin story of TLC and how they got together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it is actually kind of interesting like the the woman or the young lady at the time who was looking to put together the girl group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is the one who kind of got ace out of the group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Chris, the music business is harsh, harsh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was Crystal Jones, who was looking to put together a group that she wanted to call second nature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Tibaz joins then left eye auditions and gets the second spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then they, as the three some, they get brought to Pebble, uh, who's married to, uh, married to L.A. Reed to L.A. Reed and Pebbles herself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was an artist?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to ride and remember Sadie's boy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giving you the benefit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a Pebble's record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't wait.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, did that put any storage or do I still have it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, it's in a storage facility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Never mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have all of those records behind you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have records in storage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so pebbles, uh, she, uh, she was the co-founder of of LaFace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Ellie Reed was like, no, Ellie Reed was like, I don't know if this was Mary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was was Mary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Ellie Reed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she liked the idea of the group, but she wanted to rename them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she renamed them TLC for Tion Lisa and Crystal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it it works that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was, I guess it just was figured out that maybe Crystal wasn't the right fit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they replaced her enter Rosanda Thomas and I think they just legit they're just like we're just going to call you chilly so you can see right that's basically what they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of all the, like, couldn't be, like, cutie pie, or, like, chili, like, like, would you think it was, like, ice cold, like, chili, or like a bowl of chili, like, someone just saw her eat, and I mean, for lunch or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's spelled,

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[SPEAKER_01]: more similarly to i guess actually you can go either way i think somebody's just like oh she's chill let's call it chilly okay that works to that works new yet because being named after like

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... denizens chile baines or something right not even you don't want to be named after something that gives you the bubble no that that would have been actually a better origin story of the name though it's like she just got like she's she has she was a little low-windy one day and they're like what do you do you don't eat any part of the girl okay so tlc that the name is still intact

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, this is to me what made the group work so well is that T-boss had this like raspiness and then chili would come in like with this more traditional sounding like pop R&B voice like a little bit more smooth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I always thought the contrast with their voices actually worked out really, really well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then of course you had left eyes wrapping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they had very,

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least T-Bahs and left, I had very distinct voices.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As I've been listening over the past week, T-Bahs' voices completely unique.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And left, I had her voice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her rapping voice was almost like a cartoon, like it was super nasal and high pitched.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it had a lot of character to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's ultimately the way we made it successful is that their individual voices had so much character to them, and then Chile just was able to take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We was able to bring like a very commercial pop piece to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So later, at Mortar's end of this show, I do want to go over the industry and the music business and why they were unable to be successful as far as making money and why they were broken on that and you can help me with that because that is more to your expertise than to mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll save that to the end, but a big part of their story

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there inability to really create a living off of off of being just a really successful group at so we'll we'll talk about that later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we'll let's go back to 1994 and I want to go through some of the things that were happening in music at this time and Mike can crack wise on on anything that that he feels the need to this is actually kind of sad one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the Supreme on January 24, 1994, the Supreme's Mary Wilson is injured when her Jeep hits a freeway median flips over her 14-year-old son is killed in the accident.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of, yeah, that's horrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, speaking of girl groups.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the girl group, the, I'm going to use this stupid part of the supreme girl group of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very much set a model for TLC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, if you are a reader, read any of Mary Wilson's books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I should pass away just a couple of years ago, but her books are amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then on February 11th, the three surviving members of the Beatles reunite to begin recording additional music for the unfinished John Lennon demos presented to Paul by Yoko Ono with Jeff Lynn producing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The track free as a bird is eventually released as a single in late 95 as part of the exhaustive Beatles and Theology project.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And somebody who we've talked about on a episode of the cool check-in, Selena on March 1st becomes the first Tejano music singer to win a Grammy award.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was in the documentary that we talked about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's indeed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, 36th annual Grammys hosted by Gary Shannling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The soundtrack for the bodyguard wins out of the year, lead single.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always loved you, wins record of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the single version of a whole new world performed by people, Bryson and Regina Bell wins song of the year while Tony Braxton wins best new artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here we are in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Tony Braxton is on tour with boys to men and new addition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Indy, you know, I did not go to the concert that the very first they hit they hit you But already that was the first one was in Oakland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't go and I had people hit me up wondering where I was and I was like, you know I don't know I'm like a Wednesday or Thursday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is gonna be a little hard for me But

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I could actually improve upon my last new edition concert where my friends friend didn't have a ticket wanted to get in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had an extra and I was like, yeah, she can totally use my ticket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get there and she gets a text from her auntie who says, I can't make the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want my tickets?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, do you want to go to where my auntie was sitting?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, yeah, I don't have any.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we don't need to sit where I bought tickets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Second row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so dope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost was able to high five, uh, uh, Michael Bivins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have some really great pictures on my iPhone from that night to where they're like, oh my, you know, you can actually see who these people are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just a blur.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, the New York show isn't until March.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm still kind of on the fence, like I've seen new addition enough times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I've never seen Tony Braxton or boys to men before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, point to men would have been a fun one, but it's like for for me and crystals to try and go during the week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just too hard because her job is She's in education, so she's very early and late early to bed early to rise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She can't really take a day's days off because she could see entire summer off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it had been It had been too hard for us, but anyways, Tony Braxton in 1994 best new artist and she's still out there still out there doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, another sad one here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: March 18th, Courtney Love calls the police fearing that her husband Kurt Cobain is suicidal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Police confiscate four guns and 25 boxes of ammunition from Cobain's home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And three weeks later, his body is found.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His death, three day is legally declared to be a suicide from self-inflicted gunshot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to say that that was the first major musician passing of my music industry career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can remember walking into work and obviously this is before cell phones, before the internet, before social media, before all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember walking in from

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think everybody our age kind of remembers where they were when they heard that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I was at school when I heard and just saw, you know, a bunch of people who were very upset and sad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I heard from, you know, classmates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, very, very memorable time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So on May 2nd, a Los Angeles jury finds Michael Bolton, along with co-writer Andy Goldmarne and Sony music, guilty of copyright infringement over the song Love is a wonderful thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The song is ruled to be too similar to a song by the same name by the Isle Brothers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I've just been reading a book about the Isle Brothers too and just finished

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Michael Bowton had to pay out the butt to to Mr. Biggs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was your, it's like, what, what are you at the time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember, did you, were you a Michael Bowton fan?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I wasn't mad at Michael Bowton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thing, a lot of people don't understand about Michael Bowton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Old black women from the Caribbean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Love Michael Bowen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My grandmother and her friends who would have been, you know, in their 50s at the time, love Michael Bowen a couple years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Labor Day is a big holiday in the Caribbean community.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and in Brooklyn, they have all of these Labor Day concerts with all of these Reggae Artists that you and Reggae and Soka Artists that perform usually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was maybe 2019 or 2021, 2022.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The headliner at one of those Caribbean Labor Day festivals in Brooklyn was Michael Bolton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always found him to be so corny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Lionel Richie's corny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lionel Richie's corny, but Lionel Richie also was a Motown and hanging out with Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Michael Bolton was just like, I don't know, the long hair, I just did not get him at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he was very well pushed on MTV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that was part of his like, why is this dude always on MTV so much?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, obviously there is an element of, you know, with Michael Bolton, there's an element of he succeeded in making a type of music that black people have made for, you know, Eons and not gotten the same kind of push.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what his record company did was essentially sell him as like a skinny white Luther.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, his success, his commercial success greatly outweighed the commercial level of commercial success that Luther had, I mean, Luther, I think is certainly way more highly regarded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, Michael Bolton made more money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that certainly a bone of contention there, but I could put together a solid 10 song, Michael Bolton playlist for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like five of them, I would cringe and it remind me of like when I was 17 and hating all of his songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so May 6th, and this is something that I don't think has actually been resolved fair, you know, too much in the ticket industry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pearl Jam files a complaining at the get master with the U.S. Justice Department charging that the company has a monopoly on the concert ticket business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: More things change the more they say the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same old, same old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: May 26th,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley are married in the Dominican Republic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, indeed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that story and just being like, what did this come like?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How?

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[SPEAKER_01]: When?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think 32 years later we're still trying to figure that out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's crazy because by all accounts, like obviously Michael was coming

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, what most people thought is that by marrying Lisa Marie Presley, he was trying to do some image rehab.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like some people are saying, yeah, which I was always like, so what does Lisa Marie have to gain out of this because she's, it's not like he married some poor woman off the street, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He married a woman with as much money as he had, but even to this day, and you know, Michael and Lisa Marie are both gone, but it appears to have been like a legit relationship and how I always understood it was that

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she understood what he was going through being a product of Elvis Presley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that that that made sense when I read it that way for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, probably wasn't the the most conventional marriage of how we think marriage was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that's what works for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, they found each other and they were, you know, apparently very much in love and for whatever reason things didn't work out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And an interesting

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[SPEAKER_01]: Learning about Michael and other stuff is that apparently even after they divorced, like they got back together a couple of times over the next few years and, you know, I think even when he was kind of having kids with other lady, Lisa Marie is still very much in the picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Conquittor, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so then and this this one will tie in very nicely to the discussion that we're going to have June 9th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lisa left eye of TLC in a domestic dispute with partner Andre Ryzen sets fire to his shoes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fire ultimately spreads to the mansion they share.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the man just goes up in flames.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize that originally, she just only set out to set issues on fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I mean, she wasn't trying to burn the whole crypto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She came, you know, even back in 94 was a pretty big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, if you weren't NFL player, you had kicks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, you know, he had played with Dion Sanders for several years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he had anything related to Nike that he could want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this kicks off,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a rough time for Lisa because she's actually not on the album as much as she as much as they probably wanted her to be because she's got to be in programs and such and they kind of let her out to do some recording but she's not, you know, free to just be available to do the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thoughts are that, well, we didn't make any money off of our first album, like we got to get back in to take advantage of this, like they probably couldn't wait for her, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're like, there's like a demand to get the next DLC thing out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also, you know, time is is finite, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: had they even waited for her to finish the thing that she was doing, like who knows where the public would have been at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it'd been like, okay, it's been three years since the last CLC record, we've moved on, we're listening to SWV now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, August 11th, a compact disc copy of Sting's album, 10 Summoner's Tales, released the previous year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1994 and it was 1249 plus shipping and handling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, shipping a handling probably was like an arm in the leg back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about the out that kind of the the album, what they're trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So well, hold on, just before you before we move forward, just from like a pop culture standpoint, I also want to say like 94 was OJ, which I think for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: all of us in our age range.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very much looms large in pop culture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to talk too much about it, but I do want to bring it up because I still remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I turned 18 and shortly after I turned 18, my New York Knicks ended up in the NBA finals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're playing the Houston Rock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is game five games six I can't remember which I think it was game six because I think we remember like John starts in the two for 19, but in any way, so my aunt and her husband Take me out from my 18th birthday we go to this restaurant in the village cafe Spaniol, which I think still might still exist They get me drunk on sangria I get back home, so I'm living in an apartment

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[SPEAKER_01]: with like three other dudes, we have like a 10 inch black and white TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's already like a small TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to watch the mix and it turns out the next game is in a little tiny corner of the TV while like the rest of the screen is the AC OJ car chase.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's weird, because all of these incidents kind of stack up on top of one another for me, so it's like the OJ incident and arrest and all that stuff, the next being in the NBA finals for the first time in my lifetime, like, those things are just sort of weirdly tied together for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was now the way that kind of media works today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously with the internet, and everything, much different back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like the lead story on every news, every radio thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For ever Howard Stern got so many months of content out of the OJ thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just to show you how like interesting culture

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Al Michael's, he's got to do like actual like news reporting on the thing and Al Michael's new OJs like a friend of OJs and so somebody calls in and they're like, you know, I forget whether

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[SPEAKER_00]: explaining to Al Michael's about, you know, something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he says the phrase, Baba Booye, Baba Booye, which is the phrase of, I am a Howard Stern fan and I am prank calling you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Al Michael's also new Howard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he had to then go, sorry, all that was a prank call, that was a prank call, that was so much who listens to the Howard Stern show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like that's like a part that I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can fast forward,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a couple of years because I am on campus when the whole thing comes out that he's not guilty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like my campus is sounds a state university.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Carlos and Tommy Smith statues are on my campus because they both went to San Jose State.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the fist in the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how civic minded and civil rights minded San Jose State is historically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you could imagine kind of the chaos on campus when O.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: gets off and just like a little bit of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of the feeling obviously African-American man very famous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on trial for killing of his Caucasian wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And me, I'm like, how is he not guilty?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, you understand kind of the social imbalance to the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I'm, what am I?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, gosh, I'm probably like, I

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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 years old at this point or something like that, right, like 2021 when all the stuff comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's like very also very memorable in my mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for me, it's like you can't talk about 1994 and not talk about OJ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so

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[SPEAKER_00]: when the TLC tip comes out as we mentioned a couple years earlier and they were young and brash and they were saying things that

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[SPEAKER_00]: The females didn't talk about on wax, which made them awesome, safe sex, HIV, very positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Left eye wearing condoms on her face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They talked them over face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like that was the group that were very young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were, they were presented as young and hip, not too different from like you said, billboard vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This album, they kind of grow up and, you know, it's a nice transition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they lose a little bit of that youthfulness in this making of this second album?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I tell you, I've talked to you off air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That first album is not better than this album, but it is more memorable to me because of how hip I thought that they were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they just became famous and celebrities so they weren't really the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what was your feeling on that whole thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, there is definitely an image shift.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think crazy, sexy, cool, matured them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder how much the absence of left eye affected that because if you listen to the first album, every song on that album has left eye on it, except baby, baby, baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, left eye I think from an image standpoint, but also from like a vocal standpoint brought like the youthful energy to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also like R&B had changed and you know, whereas their first album had like a big BPD influence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The second album was more kind of like down tempo kind of had more like an SWV type of influence where like the music was a little bit slower, it was a little bit more you know the bass was was popping a lot more it's a little bit more melodic less you know less noisy kind of so I don't know I mean, I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: qualitatively crazy sex cool is a much better album in the first one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I only really go back and listen to like four songs four or five songs from the first album, but it's definitely, you know, from an image standpoint, obviously they lost the condoms, you know, they were dressing more, I guess normal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess five dog does mention the condoms in the, it doesn't mention the control of the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I mean, I think the image shift was deliberate and it kind of I think worked in their favorite because TLC was seen less as a rap group and more as an R&B group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then in that sense, maybe left eye not being as available worked to the advantage of what they were actually wanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and it's funny because as we decided we want to talk about this album, I'm going back and listening and my brain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: had it where left eye was only on like two or three songs, but she's on like half the album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's she's definitely on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just hurt her influence doesn't feel and like on that first album, it felt like equal parts of the three women and on this one, it's like chilly T-baws and then left eye is kind of out here a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel the same way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the producers, Dallas Austin, obviously, big, big piece of what they did, baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on this album and someone who we'll talk about a few more times on this Sean puff daddy puffy combs did he produce anything other than the interludes so i have it that he is a part of this but i also thought that maybe it was just that interlude though because there there's

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[SPEAKER_00]: those interludes are kind of a big part of the Albany bust of rhymes and and such as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those they are very well woven into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, it probably is there is value there, but he also is the butt of the biggest joke on the entire album, which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And faking it like she's having an orgasm while he's trying to get him all hot and bothered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the joke is on him because she's really in the bathroom on the area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's he's taking care of some business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she laughed at the end while he's he's already to go man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So organized noise also on this one for waterfalls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so critical reception, Rolling Stone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, don't forget about JD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, is he on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, kick your game and see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rolling Stone hailed them as the most successful RB group since the Supremes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The peak billboard did this album, not go number one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it might not have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what late 94 early 95.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was it was all hoody in the blowfish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Singles wise they had two two number ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Creep and waterfalls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's a diamond certified diamond.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So very successful and

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about this a little bit more when we do the top five on the next episode, but as you went back and listened, was there anything that changed in your memory about like maybe the order of the songs that you liked or, you know, one song over the other or is it pretty similar?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you've listened this album a hundred times, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, listen, there was a period of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So crazy sexy cool and Mary J's my life came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a week

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was a period of time, I want to say like late 94 through like the middle of 95 when like every night I would just play those two albums back to back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've listened to crazy sexy cool thousands of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, nothing's really changed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The songs that I love, I still love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The songs that I don't love, I still don't love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I'm glad that we live in an era now where I can program all the interludes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it's still, like, it's still, I still love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still a really great record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So as I was listening through,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, just talking about the time frame you going back to the mid 90s we have a CD player you buy the CD you listen to the CD front and back front to back like that's just what you did now at some point you may record you may take some songs off the CD put them on tape so you can make a mix tape I think by the end of nine I think by 98 I actually had a double CD player where I could make mix CDs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not easy, but I could do it, but still in the 90s, we're making mix tapes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you're when you're listening and this is what I would love to do this when I was younger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would listen to the CD away through and I would go, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: let me see if I can predict the next singles off of this and I got really good with certain albums like I remember Casey and Jojo all my life which was not their first single on that album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was third single.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I first bought the I was the big Joe does he do so I bought that thing like right when it came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, this, they got to release this song because this song is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then all my life just becomes like the biggest song of that year or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for the same thing, when I first heard waterfalls, I was like, they got to release this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the best thing on the album and uh and I was just like it's got happened and then it comes out and it just blows up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was huge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I identified that song is just like a great song from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, that was probably my favorite track on the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although weirdly, it is, well, when we do our top five, you'll, you'll see what I mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, I didn't think it was going to be as big as it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew it was a good song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't hear pop hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the video obviously helped it a great deal in that regard as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be very memorable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everything from like the, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, from little vignettes that they match with each person video, shout out Shaheen, who's the rugged child, child rapper who was in that video, affiliated with Wu Tang, but everything from the choreography to the special effects by Gary Gray, like all that stuff, just, you know, sort of, made, you know, it put the song in the right visual light for it to be like a hit, most memorable left eye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, left I would say, you know, left eye is kind of underrated as a rapper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her stuff was always interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a little weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, again, like waterfalls is just a great song like top to bottom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cilo Green sings the chorus with the more next song he does that that was in my a little little piece of trivia here but yeah you beat me to beat you to it hey and now I'm all good with that okay so we'll do our little Grammys redux here so 1996 Grammys because this album comes out in 94 but it's not until the end of 94 right so it's not a part of the 95 Grammys it's actually a part of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: The two awards that they win are best army performance by duo or group for creep and then best army album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other the other ones I wanted to to redo here, record of the year, nominees are kiss from a rose by seal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One sweet day, Mariah, and boys to men, gangster's paradise,

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[SPEAKER_00]: one of us by Joan Osborne, obviously the producers are all, this is the they're all in this and then waterfalls, which organized noise is the producer on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of the those nominations?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure you remember who won this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, what if all of us to me is the best song I've never liked Gangsters paradise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably a hot take for some people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I've listened to one sweet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They actually, I listened to one sweet day at a memorial service last year and prior to that, I don't think I listened to it in 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, based on the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: listening to the radio in this time frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You probably heard it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could not avoid it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, seriously, seriously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that hole in the right album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, once weekday is locked in my memory forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but it is very stuck in that time for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas waterfalls, like I can still play today and jam to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would have been my pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I would agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Against this paradise is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So outdated and so trophy and, you know, I think some of it has to do with whether or not you like dangerous minds, which is an interesting movie looking back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I recently rewatched it, but I did everyone all right, and but but I do like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't, I mean, it's a take off of pastime paradise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I listen to get this paradise, I think of pastime paradise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to throw pastimes paradise on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just makes me want to listen to songs in a key life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the the other one best pop performance by a duo or group with vocals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and here are the nominees letter cry by hoody and the blowfish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can love you like that all for one baby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Love, there's a throwback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what love will keep us alive by the Eagles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be there for you the Rembrandt, uh, which is the friend song and waterfalls by TLC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, most people don't, I would assume most people listening don't know it, but that eagle song is very, very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very pretty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I probably would have given it to that or TLC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but you know, I've never been a big hoody fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I understand that they were huge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never really understood why they were huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they were like the 1994 version of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, like, Huey Lewis is so charismatic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, Darious Rucker is not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, he's a little square, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has a, he has a likability about him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My, my high school prom, my senior prom, all for one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I swear is the song, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the, I mean, they're very similar, the country version and then they're version, but you didn't, you say that there was a reason why there are two versions of that song that were you the one who had the story about the all for one doing I swear as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure, I mean, it's basically like, I think at that time, there was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, somebody was like, hey, this is a country hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you should make like a pop R&B version of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden we're like, bet, and they just did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a bunch of songs from that era, like nobody knows by Tony Rich, where there's a country version that was a hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back at one by Brian McKnight, where there was a country version where there was a hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can love you like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also was originally a country song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then all for one, remade it and it became a pop hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned that the seal green piece of the trivia, I mentioned five dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in one of the interludes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bus a bus, bus a bus is also in one of the interludes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Left eye originally hated the song Creep because it discussed a woman cheating to get back at a cheating partner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She threatened to wear black tape over her mouth in the video in protest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, whatever, I mean, for many TLC songs we're about cheating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's talk about the Bankruptcy piece of this because in 1995, they declared Bankruptcy and some of it, I know some of it has to do with

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, pebbles management production company, they kind of lease the group to LaFace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now there was like more people taking money out of out of the overall sales.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what did they say something like, they were getting like 50 cents in Album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had to like split it three way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Three ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So break that down and how it works and why it works like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, there's a few different things that play here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One is the fact that they were assigned to the labeled through a management company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when your assigned to a labeled through a management company, basically the labels not paying your royalties, the management company is, the label is paying, so LaFace was paying pebbles, who was then paying TLC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is very similar to the new addition and that was just about to say it's very similar to the new addition and jump and shoot our first our first podcast we talked about this yeah where you know MCA is paying jump and shoot who is then paying new addition so that's one thing second thing is every cent that you make for when you put out a record is recoupable and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the label is recouping against all of the money that they spend on you, so if the label gives you an advance, got to pay that shit back, if you make a video and the video is expensive, that comes out of your budget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: everything that you do samples and that first album, that first CLC album has a million samples.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would imagine that LaFace probably paid a lot of money in sample clearance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of makes sense to me that they did not make any money off of that first album at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the second album it does feel like maybe that jerked a little bit and I don't know the face was clearly doing some funny stuff because Tony Braxton went bankrupt like right after right it was kind of like their artist roster was, you know, having some junky stuff done, but you know, it's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The music industry is a predatory industry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's surprised to anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been well documented for 75 years at this point that, you know, the artist is usually the person that comes out of something the least.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, we also think like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, how much is a label making off of the sale of an album?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if a record is on sale at the record store for 1199 or 1299, the label makes six or seven bucks off that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, you're not just paying the artist, you're paying the people at the plant who press the CDs and the cassettes, you're paying the marketing people who work on the marketing plans for the album, you're paying the radio staff who are promoting your records at radio, you're doing all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this money is all going up a bunch of different ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when the artist finally gets their cut,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's not going to be necessarily a huge cut and then they get taxed on that and they have to pay off their debt to the label.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean this is not an exclusive issue to TLC but the reality is in the old major label system it was very hard for any artist that wasn't even if you were selling millions of records to make a significant money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where you major money was off of tour

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, you know, I mean, that's a whole different story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know off the first album, TLC was on tour with like MC Hammer and boys to men and, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how much money they made from that, but, you know, I think the crazy sexy cool tour they headlined.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I mean, that should have put a little bit of money in the bank for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The idea of the album, like, you know, we as music fans think of the album as like oh man, like this is a thing that we treasure and we listen to it and this is like the substance of the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in a sense, it should literally, I mean if you are successful, it should literally just be marketing for your tour where you actually make the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you see that with a lot of old successful artists, like Bruce Springsteen, he'll record some of our activities recorded a new song recently, and about many, manyapolis and I, so I wanted to mention that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people as an OS probably knew what

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[SPEAKER_00]: like created a business out of him being the product, but also his fans just wanting to see him live every five years or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's getting a little older, so I don't know how much he actually tours anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He still scores quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine that's going to ramp down at some point in the relatively near futures in his 70s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you see folks like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Billy Joel selling out Madison Square Garden like X number of times like there like there is a timing aspect of this and a marketing aspect but the albums in of itself like Billy Joel's not coming out with new music he's got this like treasure trove of songs and even if he came out with the new album the fans who are going to see those concerts they don't they don't care about the hit they want to hear uptown girl like piano man they don't want to hear you new joint

57:31.053 --> 57:34.642
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I read it in review and I know I brought them up a few times this episode.

57:34.682 --> 57:39.073
[SPEAKER_01]: I read it in review with SWV and Coco was like, why are we going to make a new album?

57:39.374 --> 57:41.940
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's going to cost us money and then y'all ain't going by it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just, they can, they can do, you know, week at the beginning and week at the end and they can go on tour and do I'm so into you weekend right here.

57:54.236 --> 57:56.179
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, actually I saw them a couple of years ago.

57:56.199 --> 57:56.940
[SPEAKER_01]: They were very good.

57:57.981 --> 58:07.135
[SPEAKER_01]: But they can do their hits and charge for it and make money and, you know, call it a day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one who, and we, I don't know if we're going to necessarily talk about these guys when it comes to a specific album, but we, if not, we'll do a sidebar conversation of the cool check and about them, but the new kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The new kids are very interesting because they have done both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have tried to come out with a new music.

58:31.533 --> 58:37.360
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have like, maybe made like a single, just to kind of remind people that they're, you know, they're like, hey, we're here.

58:37.500 --> 58:42.926
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, single may often be thematic to whatever tour that they're doing.

58:42.946 --> 58:48.252
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they did that one song with Salt and Peppa and a bunch of the older four 80s.

58:48.353 --> 58:50.675
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 80s, 80s, 80s, 80s, 80s, 80s, 80s, 80s, 80s.

58:50.695 --> 58:53.018
[SPEAKER_00]: But that was also setting up.

58:52.998 --> 58:54.983
[SPEAKER_00]: the tour that they were kicking off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was actually pretty smart.

58:57.329 --> 59:02.522
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're not using the song necessarily to sell a ton of copies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just using it to go, hey, come see you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm surprised they didn't put the tour dates at the end of the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but like that's like it's good marketing yeah that's really smart and for them they're still a very successful touring act but nobody has really thought about the new kids from buying album perspective and nobody's gonna buy a new new kids album except for like me yeah and me yeah i would get to yeah i i i i i i i i think i bought the the right the the right

59:40.197 --> 59:42.723
[SPEAKER_00]: what the last album that they put out of the second album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hang a tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I bought the hang and tough album on vinyl because it had like a picture disk on it and there was like some remixes that like this is like, oh, I'm just of course I'm going to need to own this.

59:55.976 --> 59:57.480
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but but just this idea of the album being the end all be all like I think as we were growing up like that's what we thought that is not actually right where the music industry where it sits for already that's the other way there you go that's one I got so all right.

01:00:17.339 --> 01:00:24.846
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have these money issues, and then did you hear about, did they really do this?

01:00:24.926 --> 01:00:30.031
[SPEAKER_00]: I have this in my notes, but again, we're researching the internet.

01:00:31.492 --> 01:00:33.954
[SPEAKER_00]: Did they do a sit-in at Clive Davis's office?

01:00:34.775 --> 01:00:41.461
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the story I recall hearing is that they went into Clive's office and somebody pulled a gun on a damn.

01:00:43.503 --> 01:00:45.945
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think Lisa came in with her goons,

01:00:46.904 --> 01:00:48.426
[SPEAKER_01]: if I remember the story correctly.

01:00:49.787 --> 01:00:50.448
[SPEAKER_00]: Damn, Lisa.

01:00:50.468 --> 01:01:07.709
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and you know, also, I guess adding to like, the money woes is the fact that T-bos was sick through a lot of this, and I would imagine that those doctor bills, like musicians don't have insurance, I would imagine those bills were very, very expensive.

01:01:08.990 --> 01:01:11.393
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and you know,

01:01:12.638 --> 01:01:33.364
[SPEAKER_00]: the the the mansion burning thing, you know, my um, so I don't know if you, you probably aren't too familiar with Shaquille O'Neill's rap albums, but there's a there's a lyric on one of his songs where he goes on to rise in house on fire.

01:01:34.606 --> 01:01:39.692
[SPEAKER_00]: And my buddy, we were at work when we were working

01:01:40.398 --> 01:01:43.261
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're in the back, and we're talking to the manager.

01:01:43.321 --> 01:01:49.507
[SPEAKER_00]: And the manager, our manager, his house had just caught on fire.

01:01:50.068 --> 01:01:53.911
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I think they saved a lot of it.

01:01:53.931 --> 01:01:57.795
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was like, it was like a real thing, like a real crazy thing that had happened.

01:01:58.476 --> 01:02:05.723
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I knew this because I got into work and I talked to him about it and my buddy, he was coming in later than me.

01:02:05.963 --> 01:02:08.886
[SPEAKER_00]: And he did not know about any of this stuff.

01:02:08.866 --> 01:02:09.848
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where this is going.

01:02:09.868 --> 01:02:12.532
[SPEAKER_00]: He comes in and he starts rapping some shack lyrics.

01:02:12.552 --> 01:02:28.537
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like Andre Ryzen, house on fire, and my manager Anthony, he just looks at him and he goes, yeah, it's like he thought he was asking him about the thing and my buddy was just rapping Shaquille, New York.

01:02:29.759 --> 01:02:30.781
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to laugh at that.

01:02:31.482 --> 01:02:35.228
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh gosh, by the way, I

01:02:37.132 --> 01:02:38.034
[SPEAKER_00]: how old would I have been.

01:02:38.054 --> 01:02:39.879
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's probably about right about 30 years.

01:02:41.042 --> 01:02:42.887
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope if you hope you're watching a listening.

01:02:42.947 --> 01:02:45.213
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I hope I hope he's doing well.

01:02:45.253 --> 01:02:47.378
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a really cool dude.

01:02:47.948 --> 01:03:07.493
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so post crazy sexy cool there is a five year break in between this album and fan mail and I know some of it was kind of you know getting all of these these things figured out right

01:03:08.401 --> 01:03:24.898
[SPEAKER_00]: They themselves as a group were having issues with each other because of all the stress that we've been talking about with Lisa, with T-Baws being ill. And so, you know, they're kind of like feuding in a way, in, you know, in the public a little bit.

01:03:25.598 --> 01:03:38.391
[SPEAKER_00]: And you remember when left I said that we should all create a solo disc and put it into one album and sell the album

01:03:38.371 --> 01:03:54.176
[SPEAKER_00]: was kind of the head of its time because Outcast does that eventually, even though they didn't do it because they were feuding, they did it because they knew that if they sold their solo joints as Outcast, it would sell better than if it was Andre 3000 or.

01:03:54.517 --> 01:03:55.358
[SPEAKER_00]: And big boy.

01:03:55.378 --> 01:03:56.400
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, right.

01:03:56.520 --> 01:04:00.045
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and shout out to Andre 2000, who's on Crazy Sexy Cool.

01:04:00.326 --> 01:04:00.687
[SPEAKER_00]: He is.

01:04:00.947 --> 01:04:01.468
[SPEAKER_00]: He is.

01:04:01.488 --> 01:04:02.269
[SPEAKER_00]: He is.

01:04:02.249 --> 01:04:13.523
[SPEAKER_00]: So I sort of felt around this time that T-boss and Chilli were kind of united and left eye was kind of outside of their inner circle.

01:04:13.583 --> 01:04:22.674
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they knew like they needed the stability and left eye was not stable and maybe they weren't getting along.

01:04:22.694 --> 01:04:25.017
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know after the fact

01:04:24.997 --> 01:04:41.605
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of said, you know, we were sisters, and that's, you know, so it's like inner inner fighting with with your family, but fan mail comes out in 1999 and I remember I was in college and I was reading

01:04:41.585 --> 01:05:01.804
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was vibe magazine and just talking about all of the turmoil and all of the frustration and why it took so long and the theme of fan mail is literally like you've been with us through all this time like we're reading your fan mail like thank you kind of kind of album but in a way

01:05:01.784 --> 01:05:08.636
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's 1999, and they're trying to use like a technology theme and the internet and all this.

01:05:09.097 --> 01:05:12.203
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all they have more data than the other two.

01:05:12.303 --> 01:05:13.505
[SPEAKER_01]: It really does.

01:05:13.885 --> 01:05:16.150
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not a bad album, but it does.

01:05:16.350 --> 01:05:25.446
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, talking about by magazine, the first TLC cover was them on the cover in fireman's outfit.

01:05:25.426 --> 01:05:26.087
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

01:05:26.107 --> 01:05:26.848
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that one.

01:05:27.389 --> 01:05:30.094
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember page in through that one going like wait a second here.

01:05:30.174 --> 01:05:31.296
[SPEAKER_00]: What is going on?

01:05:31.897 --> 01:05:32.538
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

01:05:32.558 --> 01:05:35.704
[SPEAKER_00]: That why don't they have shirts on in this photo.

01:05:36.245 --> 01:05:36.746
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

01:05:37.367 --> 01:05:38.048
[SPEAKER_00]: That is correct.

01:05:38.088 --> 01:05:42.135
[SPEAKER_00]: And then without their reasoning for doing it was like,

01:05:42.318 --> 01:05:50.928
[SPEAKER_00]: we wanted to promote that even if like, you didn't have to have this like insanely fake body to be like happy with your body.

01:05:51.048 --> 01:05:58.696
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was kind of the reason why they said that they did it, which I always found to be pretty smart and kind of fitting to their theme of who they were.

01:05:58.716 --> 01:05:59.798
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're feminists.

01:05:59.818 --> 01:06:00.118
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:06:00.138 --> 01:06:00.859
[SPEAKER_01]: They're feminists.

01:06:00.999 --> 01:06:02.961
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, TLC also stands for TLS crew.

01:06:03.642 --> 01:06:04.663
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

01:06:06.331 --> 01:06:09.717
[SPEAKER_00]: They would make fun of themselves in that way quite often over the years.

01:06:10.137 --> 01:06:10.738
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, indeed.

01:06:11.359 --> 01:06:23.861
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I wanted to talk a little bit about Lisa's passing, and then we'll go back to some of the questions that I had, because you can't talk about the group without talking about Lisa and her unfortunate passing in 2002.

01:06:25.163 --> 01:06:29.470
[SPEAKER_00]: She was in Honduras on a spiritual retreat.

01:06:29.450 --> 01:06:33.478
[SPEAKER_00]: She had some family with her and they were actually like documenting her journey.

01:06:33.498 --> 01:06:42.436
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they were planning on putting something out for her, but they actually had footage and that footage did eventually come out at some point a few years later.

01:06:42.477 --> 01:06:46.665
[SPEAKER_00]: But she was driving.

01:06:46.645 --> 01:07:05.603
[SPEAKER_00]: and she was avoiding an automobile swerved and then turned again to avoid a vehicle and her SUV went off the road, flipped and rolled and hit some trees and she was the only person who passed way in the incident.

01:07:05.623 --> 01:07:13.530
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she had like broker neck and like head trauma, but she passes away at the age of 30.

01:07:13.510 --> 01:07:41.391
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, man, I remember like where I was when I heard that information, like just so crazy to think that at the age of 30 Lisa was gone right right I actually it's one of those one of the few like big celebrity passing to why don't remember where I was oh interesting yeah so she passes in what was it like

01:07:42.181 --> 01:07:45.965
[SPEAKER_00]: What is I'm trying to do the math like seven months after Alia?

01:07:47.166 --> 01:07:48.488
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, well, yeah.

01:07:48.508 --> 01:07:49.569
[SPEAKER_01]: Alia was September 01.

01:07:49.769 --> 01:07:52.091
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, August.

01:07:52.151 --> 01:07:52.752
[SPEAKER_00]: August so one.

01:07:52.772 --> 01:07:52.892
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:53.653 --> 01:07:56.976
[SPEAKER_00]: Right before her album comes out on 9 11.

01:07:57.036 --> 01:07:57.577
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, right?

01:07:57.857 --> 01:07:58.898
[SPEAKER_00]: No, her album was out.

01:07:59.179 --> 01:07:59.659
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:07:59.899 --> 01:08:01.581
[SPEAKER_01]: It had been out for like two or three weeks.

01:08:01.661 --> 01:08:02.222
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:08:02.242 --> 01:08:02.542
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:08:02.582 --> 01:08:05.365
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I think of 9 11 when I think of her.

01:08:05.425 --> 01:08:11.091
[SPEAKER_00]: Glitter Glitter came out on 9 and uh uh volume two

01:08:11.813 --> 01:08:13.716
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, don't blueprint blueprint.

01:08:13.756 --> 01:08:14.897
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're right, blueprint.

01:08:14.917 --> 01:08:19.543
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think baby face.

01:08:19.563 --> 01:08:20.344
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the face.

01:08:20.364 --> 01:08:33.422
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I, I was on a, I was on a business trip, the day before 9-11.

01:08:35.064 --> 01:08:39.610
[SPEAKER_00]: Flute flew out to Houston for work was stuck in Houston until the weekend.

01:08:40.248 --> 01:08:40.568
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

01:08:41.249 --> 01:08:48.640
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I had a two year old in a one year old.

01:08:49.181 --> 01:08:49.362
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:08:49.682 --> 01:09:00.338
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, so what do you do when you're, of course, I bought all of those CDs and like on the plane ride home, let me just listen to all of them because what the heck else you're gonna do?

01:09:00.398 --> 01:09:01.339
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what are you gonna do?

01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:03.883
[SPEAKER_00]: In 2001, read and listen to music.

01:09:04.644 --> 01:09:06.046
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in New York City.

01:09:06.827 --> 01:09:08.550
[SPEAKER_01]: And...

01:09:08.530 --> 01:09:19.757
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I was working in a record store and it was a major release day and people were still coming in and buying records like they didn't close until like one o'clock in the afternoon that day.

01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:24.970
[SPEAKER_01]: So we had like a solid three or four hours of being able to sell stuff and people were coming in.

01:09:26.030 --> 01:09:28.134
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is talking about memorable days.

01:09:28.595 --> 01:09:29.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, okay.

01:09:29.858 --> 01:09:33.045
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a couple of questions here and we'll get out of here.

01:09:33.606 --> 01:09:34.187
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.

01:09:34.207 --> 01:09:34.568
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.

01:09:34.588 --> 01:09:37.995
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to go what's your no skip rating for crazy sexy cool.

01:09:38.957 --> 01:09:40.681
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give crazy sexy cool and eight.

01:09:40.701 --> 01:09:41.062
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:09:41.082 --> 01:09:44.629
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you program out, you can spend the minutes.

01:09:44.609 --> 01:09:48.195
[SPEAKER_01]: And you had to keep the five dog one in there, though, I'm fine with that.

01:09:48.215 --> 01:09:48.455
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:09:48.755 --> 01:09:55.566
[SPEAKER_01]: And then take out, if I was your girlfriend, which is a Prince cover, which is awful, the rest of the album is very good.

01:09:55.887 --> 01:09:56.568
[SPEAKER_01]: So I give it a name.

01:09:56.588 --> 01:09:59.212
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was thinking seven, seven and a half for me.

01:09:59.813 --> 01:10:11.511
[SPEAKER_00]: And girl, um, who was, okay, so going back to this idea of leftize, um, challenge her, her three CD set of all three of them going solo.

01:10:12.740 --> 01:10:22.260
[SPEAKER_00]: if one of them, or if they all went solo, who do you think was like the most marketable to actually create a career going solo?

01:10:22.280 --> 01:10:28.352
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause I don't think there's a good argument for either of the three, but who is the best?

01:10:28.332 --> 01:10:30.174
[SPEAKER_00]: who had the best chance do you think?

01:10:30.895 --> 01:10:31.436
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

01:10:31.496 --> 01:10:33.538
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's an argument for any of the three.

01:10:33.698 --> 01:10:40.286
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think TLC is like new addition where, you know, there are multiple front people in the group.

01:10:40.346 --> 01:10:43.289
[SPEAKER_01]: I think TLC works as TLC and nothing else.

01:10:44.170 --> 01:10:50.557
[SPEAKER_01]: And left I made a solo album that ended up not getting released in the US, but I bought it as an import.

01:10:50.978 --> 01:10:57.225
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not good.

01:10:57.442 --> 01:10:59.625
[SPEAKER_01]: And she does, Jin, she do all the Mac 10.

01:11:01.287 --> 01:11:02.588
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, she did a record with Mac 10.

01:11:02.608 --> 01:11:05.191
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I think they're, I think they're married.

01:11:05.211 --> 01:11:05.792
[SPEAKER_01]: They're me.

01:11:05.872 --> 01:11:06.833
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, they're married.

01:11:07.614 --> 01:11:18.748
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they were, I think they've been long since divorced, um, but she, she did a record with the brat, um, she had this song called Touch Myself, which is very popular.

01:11:18.768 --> 01:11:19.469
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember, yeah.

01:11:20.330 --> 01:11:23.854
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if any of the three had a chance, I think it really like,

01:11:24.897 --> 01:11:32.648
[SPEAKER_01]: having a career by themselves, it would have been T-boss, but I don't really think any of them like had that thing.

01:11:34.912 --> 01:11:53.419
[SPEAKER_00]: A chili from a looks perspective is probably the easiest one to market because she's just so, she was just so cute and attractive personality-wise even I thought she was a shed like a really quirky, funny personality to her.

01:11:54.749 --> 01:11:58.255
[SPEAKER_00]: But she was probably best singing hooks, right?

01:11:58.355 --> 01:11:58.535
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:11:59.176 --> 01:12:09.773
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, before we got, I want to give a shout out to Deborah Killing's who was part of like the LaFace stable and sang background vocals on every single one of those TLC records.

01:12:10.153 --> 01:12:16.263
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, respect to T-bos and chili, but they're neither one of them is the strongest vocalist.

01:12:16.283 --> 01:12:16.463
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:12:17.164 --> 01:12:20.890
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Deborah Killing's really held it down on a lot of those records.

01:12:21.131 --> 01:12:22.613
[SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to her.

01:12:22.593 --> 01:12:28.060
[SPEAKER_01]: And if what is she still in that field, she's still in the business, she's in her 60s now.

01:12:28.541 --> 01:12:29.823
[SPEAKER_01]: She's also a base player.

01:12:30.243 --> 01:12:35.931
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I'm pretty sure she played the baseline to Miss Jackson and like a lot of the low face record.

01:12:35.991 --> 01:12:45.284
[SPEAKER_01]: So even though the face doesn't exist as an entity anymore, I think she's still kind of out there with some of those artists shout out shout out to me.

01:12:46.605 --> 01:12:47.807
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, last question here.

01:12:50.318 --> 01:12:57.066
[SPEAKER_00]: 2002, obviously, these are unanswerable kind of just hypotheses kind of questions.

01:12:57.466 --> 01:12:57.706
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

01:12:58.928 --> 01:13:05.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Left eye does not go too Honduras, and she does not pass away in this accident.

01:13:07.197 --> 01:13:13.845
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think even at that point, TLC could have gotten the band back together?

01:13:14.213 --> 01:13:32.978
[SPEAKER_00]: created and created the rightful sequel to fan mail or to crazy sexy cool as far as like, is there a market for them as a threesome in their early to mid 30s to continue to be making music?

01:13:33.779 --> 01:13:34.340
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

01:13:34.360 --> 01:13:37.504
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there would have been a fall off.

01:13:37.754 --> 01:13:43.240
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, and even with left eye passing away that next album 3D did not sell very well.

01:13:44.201 --> 01:13:53.190
[SPEAKER_01]: I think time has just changed and, you know, the market wasn't like great for them anymore.

01:13:54.791 --> 01:14:01.918
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and, you know, there weren't groups by the time like 2002 world around, there weren't really groups like TLC anywhere.

01:14:01.938 --> 01:14:04.521
[SPEAKER_01]: There weren't singing groups that had like a rapper in them.

01:14:05.176 --> 01:14:05.917
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm saying.

01:14:05.957 --> 01:14:06.118
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

01:14:06.398 --> 01:14:14.071
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think they maybe they would have morphed into more of like a conventional singing group.

01:14:15.934 --> 01:14:20.482
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also don't think that like huge audience would have been there for them, any more they would have moved on.

01:14:21.503 --> 01:14:22.185
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't move on.

01:14:23.307 --> 01:14:28.956
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we should we could kind of quickly mention.

01:14:29.729 --> 01:14:35.060
[SPEAKER_00]: left eyes influence outside of just being in TLC.

01:14:36.482 --> 01:14:39.729
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the group that she had worked with?

01:14:40.109 --> 01:14:40.791
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, black.

01:14:40.811 --> 01:14:41.272
[SPEAKER_00]: Black.

01:14:41.432 --> 01:14:41.753
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:14:41.813 --> 01:14:42.574
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:42.594 --> 01:14:48.025
[SPEAKER_00]: Black did a very memorable and fun song with in sync as well.

01:14:48.927 --> 01:14:51.111
[SPEAKER_00]: Which, you know, you still hear everyone's in a while.

01:14:51.292 --> 01:14:51.552
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:14:51.532 --> 01:14:53.054
[SPEAKER_01]: Brain all to me is a dope dope record.

01:14:53.074 --> 01:14:56.978
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so I just wanted to mention that Well, I mean, did she she there JC?

01:14:57.038 --> 01:14:58.180
[SPEAKER_01]: I think is the only yeah.

01:14:58.200 --> 01:14:59.481
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he sank on that record.

01:14:59.501 --> 01:15:00.162
[SPEAKER_01]: He's on it.

01:15:00.182 --> 01:15:01.203
[SPEAKER_00]: He's he he's the one.

01:15:01.263 --> 01:15:10.694
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the main voice on it for sure So I mean, left eye is I think the only rapper to ever appear on it in sync album What song is she on?

01:15:11.315 --> 01:15:14.178
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a song on no strings attached call space cowboy.

01:15:14.198 --> 01:15:14.839
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah

01:15:15.190 --> 01:15:16.212
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, okay.

01:15:16.633 --> 01:15:17.113
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

01:15:19.017 --> 01:15:29.976
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, you know, thinking about and this is back before I think we really talked seriously about mental health.

01:15:31.171 --> 01:15:35.857
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, she kind of lived that moniker of like being the crazy one of the group, right?

01:15:35.917 --> 01:15:41.744
[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of her personality, but there was definitely stuff going on with her.

01:15:42.706 --> 01:15:44.688
[SPEAKER_02]: And she talked about it.

01:15:44.708 --> 01:15:57.364
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, that's one of the things where we when we look back on this stuff, and I was just thinking about Amy, our Amy Winehouse episode, where, you know,

01:15:57.428 --> 01:16:10.582
[SPEAKER_00]: what I hope at least is today we have more education and more therapy and things where some of these things can actually come out and you know, they don't have to end in the way that they that they have in the past.

01:16:10.682 --> 01:16:24.617
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, as we kind of do this thing where we look back, it's like, oh man, I wonder if, you know, if Lisa was here today, going through those same problems, I would hope that she would have more help, you know.

01:16:24.597 --> 01:16:29.283
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that if she was still alive, she'd be speaking out about a lot of this stuff.

01:16:29.323 --> 01:16:41.780
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she was very vocal about coming from like an abusive alcoholic home, you know, she certainly encountered domestic violence in her relationship with Andre Ryzen, you know, all this stuff.

01:16:41.820 --> 01:16:43.282
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was vocal about it even then.

01:16:43.322 --> 01:16:47.668
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she'd be in, you know, one of the things

01:16:47.648 --> 01:16:55.116
[SPEAKER_01]: drove her to Honduras was going through this holistic healing and Dr. Sabie and like all this other stuff.

01:16:55.517 --> 01:16:57.779
[SPEAKER_01]: So she was ahead of the curve on all of that stuff.

01:16:57.959 --> 01:16:58.580
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

01:16:58.620 --> 01:17:02.765
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's going to be it on this episode.

01:17:02.805 --> 01:17:06.429
[SPEAKER_00]: Our top five will be out in a couple of days.

01:17:06.529 --> 01:17:15.599
[SPEAKER_00]: So look out for that and we're going to focus on our favorite TLC songs and a little bit about some of the other albums as well.

01:17:15.699 --> 01:17:16.440
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:17:16.420 --> 01:17:21.739
[SPEAKER_00]: So 50, 50, 50 for 50.net, check it out, we can find all of our stuff.

01:17:22.161 --> 01:17:27.460
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Mike, I am WG, we will see you when we see you peace out.