Triumph: When The Jacksons Took Creative Control (1980) | 50 For 50

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here is the next episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Up next in 50 for 50 is an album that is both near and dear to our hearts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is going to be our first

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, our first podcast on the subject of Michael Jackson and, uh, in, in, in, in this instance, his family, his group, the Jackson's, it won't first, first of several.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, won't be the last.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll, we'll, we'll do a Michael album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll also do a Janet album in, in this series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like the idea of doing Triumph here, uh, because one, there's this nice,

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[SPEAKER_01]: this nice time in this the land of Michael Jackson in the budding super stardom of Michael Jackson where you got off the wall, try a thriller like he's about to just conquer the world musically around this time frame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for that reason, it's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also I still feel like and I was wondering what you thought about this,

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[SPEAKER_01]: In general, I feel like they're so overlooked still when you look at the entire, uh, his entire body of work, like the Jackson's albums just seem like people don't really know them as well as either the J5 material or the the Michael Jackson solo stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think to the average music listener, Michael was a little kid and the Jackson five had a bunch of hits and then off the wall came out and Michael was a solo star forever, but Michael was a member of the Jackson's when off the wall came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael was a member of the Jackson's when thriller came out and the Jackson's were a really important bridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: from the Jackson five to the Michael Jackson like icon worlds, renowned superstar, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the year's 1980, we are very small children at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all do you remember how old you would have been when you first heard

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[SPEAKER_01]: anything Jackson's or Jackson five related feel like I came out of the womb listening to Jackson stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember some of my first first memories as a kid are Jackson related because I remember we had the destiny album at home and for whatever reason and I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've tried to think to myself, when it becomes such a big Michael Jackson fan or why actually did I become such a big Michael Jackson fan?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're a little kid,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You maybe hear somebody who's like famous and talented with your name and you kind of latch on to it and I think maybe like at the very very beginning stage you was like, oh, here is somebody else named Michael, who, you know, my whole family loves and he makes records and they play in a house and all this stuff, but from the very beginning, I was a huge Michael Jackson fan destiny and off the wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can prize some of my earliest earliest musical memories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: knew the Jackson five stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously I knew the Michael Jackson solo stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would hear these songs and I would always think like, okay, this isn't the stuff that I know so where does this come from?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it really wasn't until I was in college and when I could actually go and buy my own CDs and such tour, I was like, you know, there's this Jackson stuff that I don't really know that well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and at some point I just bought all of the albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember at some point they also got remastered even a couple times, but yeah, I think it's been twice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the cool thing is that if you were looking in the Michael Jackson section, you would always find the Jackson stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was always a decent amount of copies of Jackson stuff, and I was like, wow, either people are buying this

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's they're always stocked with with with this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought that that was really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think you told me at some point that as part of Michael's deals that he wanted to make sure that that this stuff was out there and that they just didn't stop selling it because he want this is how, you know, in some cases that his brothers made is still made their careers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember that conversation, but it's entirely possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had that with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the Jackson stuff remained as popular as it did consistently for two reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One is just

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for the 80s and most of the 90s, anything Michael Jackson touched, people would, you know, you could run off the fumes of that and be good, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could eat off the fumes of Michael Jackson's solo stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So someone walking to a record store would be like, oh, I want the latest, you know, bad dangerous history whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd be like, oh, these Jackson's records are on sale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll pick those up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other part is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I mentioned before, that the average fan thinks that there was like, I'll be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want you back ABC blah blah blah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then finishing beat it thriller.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But black people,

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[SPEAKER_00]: particularly of a certain age, are very aware of the lineage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, familiar with this stuff that's not just a stuff that's sold millions and millions of copies in hit pop radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Jackson's records were not except for victory, were not huge pop hits, but they were very consistent R&B radio hits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went back and through college and I was like, okay, I'm just gonna buy this stuff when I have the money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I ended up buying all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even, you know, even going through it, there's some inconsistency there, but there is like a time period of where they are growing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you listen to victory, victory sounds very much like early to mid-80s record the standard production.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you listen to the Jackson's, the first one, it sounds very much like an R&B 70's album because of the time that it came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a nice little growth period in the sound of music and the history of music just by listening to those albums, which is really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we're going to come back and even though we're going to do this show about triumph, we will talk about these other albums because, you know, we know them very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can't not talk about the other albums without talking about or if you're going to talk about Trump, you can't not talk about the other album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the year's 1980, like I said, on January 16th, Paul McCartney's arrested in Tokyo for possession of a half of a pound of marijuana.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were remaining part of McCartney's and wings' tour was subsequently canceled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Japan is still very much against any sort of a drug happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was like the OG Brittany Griner, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's rough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a pound of weed nowadays, I mean, in New York City, it's completely legal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe in California, it's legal as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is, you know, 46 years ago, different country, different time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Palma Cartney is certainly a well-renowned pothead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: made maybe not a smartest decision or maybe thought he was so famous, he wouldn't get in trouble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then ended up doing a little bit of time in the being for rocking with some wee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Japan is still this harsh on stuff like that, but I've heard stories where people get caught with it and they're kind of like, just don't come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's how much we do not like being associated with this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, more of the stories don't bring drugs into a foreign country, so nine days later, he has released and is ejected from the country by Japanese authorities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the word ejecting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: February 19th, Bon Scott, lead singer of ACDC, Dyson London.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The common folklore according to Wikipedia is that it's pulmonary aspiration of vomit as the cause of his death, but the official cause is listed as acute alcohol poisoning and death by misadventure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: miss adventure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's another word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I find really interesting death by miss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it sounds like, yeah, sounds like he

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[SPEAKER_00]: was a hard partying dude, got really, really drunk and probably passed out and his body started to throw up, which is what happens when you're really, really drunk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't, maybe he didn't get up a time and he choked on his own vomit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sometimes these people are so out of it that they are not responsive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not like waking themselves up to get up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then on the 27th that would be the 22nd annual Grammy Awards hosted by Kenny Rogers, Billy Joel's 52nd Street wins out of the year while the Dooby Brothers would have full beliefs, wins both record of the year and song of the year, Ricky Lee Jones wins best new artist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember watching that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like three years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was three years old and honestly the only reason I remember watching that show is because of Michael McDonald's of the do-be brothers because He sang and I was you know, I was raised my my grandparents house watching it with my grandmother And my grandmother was like why is that man eating the microphone and I will remember the rest of my life

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[SPEAKER_00]: more core memory from toddler heard of Michael McDonnell singing way too close to the microphone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: March 19th, Elvis Presley's auto.

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[SPEAKER_01]: autopsy, I don't know what I was going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had some some problems reading on this show in previous episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His autopsy was subpoenaed during the autopsy subpoenaed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those two words do not sound exactly the way that they are spelled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Elvis Presley's autopsy was subpoenaed during the trial of George Nicolopoulos, who would later be found guilty of over prescribing drugs to Presley, Jerry Lee Lewis and other clients, the Mark Doctor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's a through line of Michael Jackson, the lot's of athletes, through line to a lot of athletes to people who are able to get access to stuff, just by sign in some autographs and take them photos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, May 4th, America's top 10, the television version of radio's American Top 40, and hosted by Casey case, some day views this week in syndication.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember watching this show, if you see that show, man, it was Saturday mornings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, you get your cartoon on, and then at 11 o'clock, you watch soul train, or American bandstand, and then at 12 o'clock, America's top 10 came on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my Saturday morning for years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: June 25th, the Sony Walkman goes on sale in the United States.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How old were you when you remember having a Sony Walkman?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, probably early high school, I was a teenager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So probably 13 or 14 before I had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have like a Sony walk when it first, I had whatever the bootleg went like version.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it might have been an only stroll person or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely off-brand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It did a work for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Until it didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say, I don't know, I was probably like 10 or 11 when I went out one for Christmas, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember being fairly young because the evolution was like Sony Walkman, then like mini boombox and then like room stereo system, like there was like an evolution of those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I had the Sony Walkman first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then you would have the headphones so like the the wiring headphones and the headphones that would always rip like within like days and you would just end up not having the the phone on your on your headphones and I'm just scratching yours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the other thing is that, you know, grown up in Brooklyn in the late 80s, early 90s, if you had a nice walkman, that shit was going to get stolen on them and you had to hide it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, you were going to get robbed for your walkman or God forbid you had a disc man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that, that, that, you were very lucky if you held onto that for more than like a week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it was a good thing to kind of keep things either hidden or cheap, essentially if that no one would want to steal your stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on July 31st, the Eagles, and their tour with a contentious show, they would not play it together again until 1994.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a documentary about that whole thing, isn't there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a documentary about the Eagles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen bits and pieces of it, but I don't think I've watched the entire thing continue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's multiple parts too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, here we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: September 13th, solid goal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They knew music, television series, premieres, and syndication.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I probably watched it a little too much TV as it came out that I think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But solid gold was also one of those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was appointment viewing on Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what else is a seven year old kid doing on a Saturday night?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So before you sat down and you watched your backs of life or whatever sitcoms of all on our Saturdays, you watched solid gold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on December 4th, Led Zeppelin Disband's following the death of drummer, John Bonham.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a biggie here, I think a lot of people who are maybe a little bit older than us, really this is one of their memories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: December 8th, John Lennon is shot to death outside his apartment building in New York City.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lennon single, just like starting over subsequently, becomes a number one hit in many countries, including the US, UK, and Australia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I don't know I was conscious of who John Lennon was at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I knew Paul McCartney was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember putting two and two together at some point that John Lennon and Paul McCartney were in a group together, but I think that would have been after John Lennon passed away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I am remembering this correctly, Howard Cousel would announce this, what had happened on Monday night, full moon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on December 14th over 100,000 mourners attend a public vigil for John Lenin and Central Park, New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which I believe that area is still commemorated strawberry fields I've walked through at a number of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get into the transition from the Jackson five to the Jackson's, the transition from Motown to CBS epic, uh, it was a kind of a crazy divorce.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I have notes down, but had I not had notes down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure Mike could have told us the entire story, but I will lead him through and then he can, he can bring up the things that that he wants to talk about here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the this divorce involved a multimillionaire lawsuit a name change from the Jackson 5 which Motown owned to the Jackson's and a family split that saw Germaine stay back at Motown while his brothers moved forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the timeline, June 30th, 1975, the Jackson Five officially announced at a press conference that they are leaving Motown for CBS records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: About a half a year later, Michael and his brothers give sworn depositions in the Motown lawsuit as Barry Gordy sued them for breach of contract and the rights to the name Jackson Five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a couple of months later, the Motown contract officially expires and the CBS contract becomes effective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if the Jackson's knew that they were still on the hook for, I don't know, nine more months or whatever, why did they announce where they were going before they could actually get out of their contract?

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[SPEAKER_00]: if somebody gave them bad advice, is my assumption.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I feel like Barry Gordy was gonna end up messing with them regardless, because, you know, it's the Jackson Five and they're proven commodity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Motown was maybe not doing so great at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I don't think anyone left Motown without Barry Gordy kind of trying to like mess

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then in June of 76, so you and I are born at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're here, the group rebrands as the Jackson, because as the Jackson's, because Motown, the legal battles confirmed that the label owned the trademark for the Jackson five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the next month they begin recording their debut epic album at Sigma Studios in Philadelphia,

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[SPEAKER_01]: and in November 5th, which is my mom's birthday in 1976, the self titled album, The Jackson's is released featuring the lead single, enjoy yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: this wasn't necessarily only about money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was obviously also about our creative differences, artistic agency, the ability to grow up as a group and as a band and as adults.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were not allowed to write or produce at Motown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hitmakers would do all of that for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there was also a royalty dispute, which is often the dispute in music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were getting a 2.7% which was lower than what they thought a group of their status would be able to command.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the deal with CBS, they got $1 million per album and eventually the rights to produce their own material, which they actually were able to do with destiny and triumph, the album that we are going to really dig deep into.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is an interest, like it's so funny

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[SPEAKER_01]: what I believe or what I think of the Jackson story comes from the the Docu series from years and years and years and years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe, you are alive and she said, I don't want you no more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stop beating the kids, Joe, you know, I recently bought that on DVD, did you really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's not it was it's not for sale in the US like no no US I don't even know who who I guess it was ABC Maybe it was looking for a copy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You may be able to watch it on YouTube, but I was looking for a copy I don't I think it was actually for this once we started talking about doing this

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't want to watch this again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I didn't watch it for this, for this, but maybe before we do a Michael album that we're going to do, I'll rewatch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I had to buy the Australian version because that was the only way that I was like on eBay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a DVD of the Australian release of this movie and it's because not out anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I guess maybe it never got released on DVD in the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel, um, um.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... i remember meeting the tapes yeah they are definitely the best release so when i think of this time frame and i think of uh... the the jackson's leaving motel and you know my michael being very sad about that and haven't to leave germane and you know when when uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: When we're on stage and I look towards my left, who's going to be on my left and it's not your main like that whole thing like that's what that's my memory of this entire scenario I don't know how exactly how it worked, but just that's how powerful that film is because I've seen it so many times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good kind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but you know that you like that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know that you watch it a bunch of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was when it came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was event watching for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, you know, VH1 replayed it a handful of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I definitely, if I was flipping channels back one days when I had cable and saw it was on, I was sitting watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very easy to just get, get sucked back in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This album was recorded triumph was recorded while they were doing the destiny tour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the order of these albums, the Jackson's, which is their debut, is 76, 77.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is going places seventy eight is destiny and then triumph is eighty they would come back four years later and Michael is already on top of the world at this point with victory and then they would come back five years later with twenty three hundred jacks in street so that is the

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very much contemporary to what was going on in 1989.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, certainly some big name produces on an LA and baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aronite, Teddy Riley produced a couple of songs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, Teddy Riley worked with the Jackson's before he worked with Michael Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's an interesting fact because, you know, obviously,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael was like, oh, this dude is dope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I'm making dangerous, I need to have this guy on my record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But 2300 isn't like, I would have loved to have seen the Jackson's make another record with just for them because they were talented.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, obviously, Michael is so talented that it overshadows the other brothers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, individually and, you know, collectively, even without him, like they were talented, they made good music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is the title track.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is every member of the family on that song?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Marlon is not on it for some reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Latoya, who was in the middle of some beef.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was also in the middle of some playboy magazines and I set that up and I didn't even realize it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, you were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I went back to listen to that track and I was just interested to hear, and I was like, wow, Janet's on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael's on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't remember off-hand if Marlin is on it or not, he might actually sing the beginning of the first line of the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Latoria is definitely like she was in exile at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She definitely on that record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so the triumph is made while the brothers are on the Destiny World Tour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was still committed to the group, even though he's about to pop off as a solo artist and become the biggest pop star in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the first time that the brothers were credited as sole producers with Greg Philengane's serving as associate producer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Greg Philengane's like he saw everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, he needs to write a book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like one of the best podcast guests of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know that I've ever seen him on a podcast or heard him on a podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he might have done like one of those DJ Vlad things back in the past quest love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not he was on quest love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is correct because yeah, he talked about getting his name taken off but don't stop to you get enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the sound as we were talking about as we head into 1980, the sound is updated more synthesizers and you know, I was actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about this as I listen to, can you feel it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because can you feel it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like should be one of those songs that when you're at an NBA arena, and your team is coming back, and there's a timeout, and the fans are going crazy, and you want the fans to keep going crazy, and you just start playing, can you feel it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why, that's not one of those songs, you know, the Rocky song or, you know, what is the song that a lot of people play in these moments?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's on the tip of my tongue, I'll think about it at some point, but like, like, the tan and right, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This feels because, you know, remember, you remember like in the mid 20, yeah, maybe maybe

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[SPEAKER_01]: we need like these big anthems in these stadiums sound songs and hip-hop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what this is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this thing, I imagine like people were hearing things in this song that, you know, if you had a nice system of speakers and such that you probably never heard before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's how crazy produce this song is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just like when I hear this song, I'm like, why am I, why does this song not play on every NFL telecast before it goes to commercial?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you feel it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, wasn't a huge hit when it was released as a single?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it peaked in the 50s on the pop charts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so thus it's not in Michael Jackson lore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like a huge piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It got bigger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For two reasons, one, the video that came out, yes, which was really like one of the first like big budget sci-fi kind of music videos and set the tone for like thriller and all the other short films that Mike would do in his career and the other thing and don't ask me how I remember this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when the Olympics were in LA in 1984,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember watching the Olympics with my mom and my stepdad and they played, can you feel it a lot during the Olympics?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was summer of 1984.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the victory tours all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael is the biggest thing ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anything that had even a little bit of Michael Jackson and it was gonna get super play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that there might have been a period when it was utilized in a sports context, but I agree with you that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm watching the next play and you know, there's a Mike Mike Brown calls the time out and the mixer down five like you want to hear, can you feel that's some, that's some, we will rock you kind of like pump up music and you know, I love that the, that it's got such like a it was created to sound big.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was it was created to sound like this is something that you've never really heard before and we have what we're using new techniques and things to to give you sounds that you're not that you don't know that you even want to hear in music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of Questlove's supreme, I remember Randy when he was on it and that was a horrible episode of the thing because the Jackson's don't give great interviews.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But one thing he did mention is that can you feel it was inspired by this song called Tragedy by the Beegees?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you listen to the beginning of Tragedy and the beginning of the beginning, it can you feel it you hear it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, you, like, this comes up and my little talk about it now because it was something that I was listening for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So going places is not my favorite Jackson's record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder who's favorite Jackson's record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they have this song on that album called Music Taken Over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the first track.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it sounds so much like the the more stay in the time song, the the phone number song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the seven, seven, seven, three, let me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you just listen to that again, listen to the guitar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's it's I was like, is this the same?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did they grab it from that, but it's not at least as far as I can tell because no credits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Give, I mean, songs in five years of part, right, um, interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't actually, how I heard it was so a two-pock has a song on a phone on me called which phone number and it samples the more stay song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then so I was so when I heard music taken over, I was like, oh, that sounds like the two-pock song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that it's a two-pock song got it from the more stay song, but that's what I immediately thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I, but I've never, I've never seen any acknowledgment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they're like very, they've sound similar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if you get a chance, just listen to the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know what my Simon is when we sign off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to pull my copy going places out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, I mean, and I mean, you can tell me why they're, you know, if they are different, it's just, they sat, they sounded, I was like, this was, this has to be the same, but then I looked it up and I don't, I haven't seen any credit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: back to the time stamps here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's a little trivia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, when it comes to searching the internet and searching Google, what we are actually searching is what people have written about things and which sometimes they may be true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may not be true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a song

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who, who, have you heard who this is, who's did the screaming?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, let's play it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's play a Jackson screaming on this place hotel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe she's actually credited on the, like, on the actual album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So from a chart perspective, this is the first album to hit number one on a Billboard R&B, uh, since the Jackson five, and it eventually went platinum, uh, in December, of that year selling over a million copies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about the song called this place hotel rather than heartbreak hotel?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so dumb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't remember when it changed because when it was popular, I remember being heartbreak hotel like no radio DJ in 1980 or 1981 was saying this place hotel somewhere along the line they changed the name of the song I guess because Elvis has a song called heartbreak hotel and

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[SPEAKER_00]: they wanted there to be some kind of differentiation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are songs that come out with the same title all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, obviously since then, when the Houston has a song called Harbrake, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reasoning behind the enchantment title was always struck me as kind of strange.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it couldn't be a marketplace thing, because these songs come out almost 25 years apart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a part, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, his mom and I named him Harbrake,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what do you think of the idea of titling a song or creating a song that you know you're going to title something that is already a crazily popular song from another artist?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could have been intentional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like let's say, I don't know, well, someone like Bruno Mars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say Bruno Mars has a song and he's like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a name this song Billy Jean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't give him any ideas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of similar, right, it would be a similar idea, a giant song that you know that that if you name it this, people are going to go to name it this, yeah, kind of interesting it is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like, they're two very, very different songs, and I don't think at that point anyone was going to be like, oh, here's the Jackson's with this song and here's Elvis Presley with their song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they the same song who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if anybody even would have had that mindset back then, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if I could say, I know what it's not very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Elvis was alive at that point, he could have been like, come on in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you guys have called it heartbreak house like heartbreak ridge?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, would you have to be heartbreak hotel?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be a too simple word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: heartbreak motel in Michael Jackson's like I've never stayed in a motel in my life would he talk about seriously yeah exactly get out of here what's a motel so we talked about the music video for can you feel it I

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember there's so many video cassette releases from Michael Jackson over the years and there was one where Dick Clark was interviewed and he said something to the effect of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael handed me this thing and he said, I want you to play it on, uh, was it on American bandsend?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and Dick watches it and he's like, this is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But people don't want to watch this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to watch you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why would I play this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he said it just shows you how ahead of the time that Michael was because this is pre MTV and he's saying basically saying you know Michael saw the future of what people would actually want to watch when it came to music videos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, to be fair, there were clearly music videos before Can you feel it came out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, there's a video for no stop to get enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a video for rock with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a video for blaming on the buggy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So videos existed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But where Can you feel it is different?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that it wasn't just...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a video they extended the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was this extra like sci-fi element to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was an expensive video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of special effects.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are they saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wrinkling on the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who the hell knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody got a mic on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, spreading the glitter on everybody, making them each.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: as someone who was alive and like remembers watching that video, like for its time, the special effects were kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was certainly way ahead of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was, you know, ahead of its time, like music video didn't really catch up to that for another like couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this album was so successful that they created or recorded and released a live version of this tour, which is a fantastic live album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a great album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is one of my favorite, like, it's kind of hard to compare because it's just, it's, it's them on tour, but like, it's one of the things that, you know, I would just constantly go back to it's like, oh, I want to kind of listen to jacks and their Michaels, like, you know what, I'm just going to listen to that to the live stuff that because that album front to back is just bang or after bang or and there's the funny little sequences in it and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the thing where Eddie Murphy gets the skit about Michael Jackson always wants to come down and talk to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he does that and she's out of my life or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then yeah, and then, you know, when we're talking about new addition and, you know, the little skits that that they came up with and they're joking around come from this as well.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jackson's live was the first CD I have bought my own money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What year would that have been?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was 90s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It had been like 92 maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I wanted a Michael Jackson record, uh, danger, I had dangerous on tape and I walked into a record store and Jackson's live was probably on sale for like $7.99 or $8.99, you don't see, and I was like, I have $10.00.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna buy this for $10.00 and a new CD player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna buy this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the albums themselves, the first one, the Jackson's would go gold, going places would also sell over 500,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I believe it is the lowest selling of the bunch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Destiny goes platinum, triumph goes platinum, victory goes platinum, uh, victory action went two X platinum in the US and sold the most over the, uh, in the world, obviously, mostly because of Michaels, uh, solo star status.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And 2500, Jackson or 2300 Jackson Street also sold about 500,000 world wide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the single, you actually, I would go over to the US.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty-three hundred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went golden.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, the, the, the note I had said worldwide, but I, I will trust your knowledge of all things, Jackson's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so the singles enjoy yourself from the Jackson's the self titled debut on epic was number six pop and number two R&B Show you the way to go in 77 was 28 pop and number one in the UK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're only number one in the UK of all the songs show you the way to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shake your body in 79 was it's number 7 on the pop chart and number 3 and R&B lovely one 12 on the pop chart to on the UNB on the R&B chart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This play so tell heartbreak hotel was 22 and number 2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then can you feel it didn't actually chart very well in the US?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only number 77, but it was a bigger hit in the UK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then state of shock on victory with Mick Jagger was a number three on the pop charts in the US.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that doesn't surprise me, but it's not like I remember really hearing

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[SPEAKER_00]: because they don't play it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, state of shock, like triumph came right after off the wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Michael is already super successful as a solo artist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got number one records triumph.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike, there were eyes on triumph because of the wall had been so successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, thriller came after triumph and then blew up Mike into a completely different stratosphere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of all the Grammys and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, state of shock was the first song from the first single from the victory album.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was the first thing to have Michael Jackson's voice on it when his name on it after thriller.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, people are super, super hype about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's looking to hear what the song sounds like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mick Jagger's on the record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there's interest from maybe people who wouldn't necessarily be listening to Michael Jackson, who are Rolling Stones fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the song that song was one of those songs where it got super popular because of who it was and not what it sounded like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because of that, once the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like big hit single of it all went away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one went back to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also not a very good song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very recognizable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I immediately hear it when it comes on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's never one in the catalog that I go back to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't heard this in a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe once a twice a year I'll go back and listen to it and you know for the for other trivia like say to shock was originally recorded with Freddie Mercury Queen and was Freddie was eventually replaced by Mick Jagger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little blurry is to why that happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I think Freddie Mercury is probably better suited for that song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there versions of that song out there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can probably go on YouTube and pull it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, from a vocal perspective, that sounds like a more interesting song to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We like to do this segment called Grammy Redux.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who boy and the only Jackson's song or the only Jackson's nomination as far as I can tell is the 1981 Grammy Awards for best R&B performance by a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's what's weird about this and I don't, does it, you tell me if the Grammys still worked this way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The nominees, there are songs by artists nominated and then there are full albums by artists nominated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do they do it that way?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure why they did it that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do not do it that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought, but I guess in 1981 there were a little

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then the man hatens for shining star, which is a song and not an album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gladys Knight and the Pips about love, which is not a song, but is in the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Spinners for Cupid, I've loved you for a long time, which is kind of like a medley of of songs, and then the Commodore's

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroes is a song from their ninth album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Roberta Flack and Donnie Hathaway back together again, which is a song on Donnie's album, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was the last collaborated for Donnie Past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of those in the winner would be the Manhattan's shining star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it the right winner?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard, first of all, it's hard to weigh songs and albums on the same scale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So weird that they do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know why the recording and academy did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That made it for a really long time, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did it, I think, until maybe 10 or 15 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going through that list in my head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that Roberta flagged on a hat, the way songs are banged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm thinking what do I go back to the most at triumph is clearly like my favorite, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think of which of those works has actually lasted the test of time, because now as we're talking, this is, you know, 40, you know, 45 years have passed, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously for me, the Jackson's album is still in existence for me because I'm just a big Jackson's fan, but I would say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Shining Star has lasted more maybe through like, um, I don't know if it would be like commercials or jingles, I mean, Shining Star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Manhattan Shining Star, you probably still hear on like easy listening radio like really like all these easy listening radio now, um, and, you know, back together again, you like old old school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the radio stations that play like old school R&B or disco, like the early 80s, we probably play that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, the bigness of Michael Jackson compared to everybody else that was nominated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think just kind of indicates that triumph is heard more these days than the others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now have a follow up on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same year, best rhythm and blues,

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[SPEAKER_01]: George Benson, give me the, give me the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stevie Wonder, master, blaster, jamming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Al Jorone, never given up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Larry Graham, one and a million you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Germaine Jackson, let's get serious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy, Germaine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get serious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a really good song, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get serious as a jam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stevie competing against himself, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty much too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Stevie wrote, produced, and sings on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's basically like a Stevie Wonder song, feature in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let's get serious as a great song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would personally probably give the award to either George Benson or Stevie, I mean, Master Blaster is such a dope record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me the night as a really fun record, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me the night was the winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's go, I agree with the people who know that I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go through a couple of questions about this album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is your favorite song on triumph?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite song is Heartbreak Hotel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is very much in line with

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you can draw a straight line from Heartbreak, let's tell the Billy G. Those songs from the lyrical content to the production of it, those songs sound really similar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, Heartbreak will tell us essentially a Michael Jackson solo record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tito might play guitar on it, but Michael did all the leading background vocals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead of the test of time, like it's a great story, it's very like the stereo sounding and it's danceable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he kind of hit every note.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, can you feel it, lovely one, a heartbreak hotel, those are my three favorite songs on the album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I lean, can you feel it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just in general, I think that's my fate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That might be my fate, not to tease our top five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, that comes out after this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But can you feel it, might be my favorite Jackson song?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just sounded so futuristic to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like on this album or ever, ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, not Jackson five, but just Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one really interesting story about that is, you know, can you feel it as the first song on Triumph?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first voice that you hear seeing on that song is actually Randy and not Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Randy, one, a reason that the album actually came out later than it was supposed to was because Randy was in a car accident at the beginning of 1980 that he almost died, almost died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His legs were almost amputated like he was a really, really horrible car accident, and, you know, part of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the theme of triumph and, you know, they gave Randy or give Randy his one fifth group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Randy kicked off that album as kind of like a way to like show, you know, he persevered over, you know, his accident.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So can you feel it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like has like emotional meaning and it's a great song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, that don't like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's much as hardbreak hotel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw these guys in concert out here at a place called the Mountain View winery this is not that long after Michael passed by the way and they were as a group you know what actually I don't even remember the time frame but what I remember and you remember this remember when.

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[SPEAKER_01]: their mom was kind of like, people didn't know where she was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, where is she at?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, who's, you know, someone kidnapped her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, this was around that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So post, when Michael died probably a couple years after, but so we're at this concert.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I know Michael was not there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are still really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they've been performing for 60 years like these guys are top-notch professional performers that they're excellent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the concert was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but there's a moment in the concert.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where, and, and we had great seats in my buddy, my buddy per ca shot out to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, you know, he had purchased these before and then his wife couldn't go wife at the time and now he was like, do you want to go?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, hell, yeah, I want to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, where I think we're in like the second row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so all of a sudden, we see like security guards come out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, right, what's going on here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, the mom starts walking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is in the day and age of like, you know, the blogs, like, I don't know, Perez Hilton and TMZ and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there were stories about where is their mom?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, nobody knows where she is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, hey, she's right here, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's not gonna break the concert.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should say, a picture and send it to TMZ and have them give me a hug.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, $50,000 for it, but yeah, like, that just amazing, and so they did, can you feel it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these dudes now, Marlon is an amazing dancer, just, oh my, like, I wonder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, obviously, they know that they know that in a group, there's, there's going to be some standouts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do wonder if he kind of feels like how far, how much distance was there between him and Michael from a performance standpoint?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how close was he to be able to do the things that Michael was able to do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this man was in his 60s or whatever, or maybe even, I don't remember how old they were at the time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This man was dancing his ass off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Marlon is a super talented person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say, go on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a performance from

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not the Arsenio Hall show, but the late show with Joan Rivers when Arsenio Hall was hosting it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you're going to give me some knee-a-peoples, but not the party, and Marlon Jackson is the musical guest, and he performs, and he kills it, like solo, it's just him, and you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be hard to be in that shadow, you know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because no one's going to judge you on your own merit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're always going to be judged against Michael and at that point, Janet as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it's really hard to not come up short against the best to ever do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he also had the example.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of Germain who was supremely talented on his own and with the successful solo artist post the group and he saw what his brother Germain went through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at Germain, you know, probably said some things that caused some of the riff or whatever, but like Germain,

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[SPEAKER_01]: How would your main ever get his just do being Michael Jackson's brother?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not, that's the bottom line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Germain Jackson had a very successful career for, you know, a decade and a half, you know, you put him up against any other R&B singer from

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the late 70s through the 80s, you know, I think he's, you know, he, he, he, he, he's pretty up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but again, you're, you're being judged against the best and that not just qualitatively the best, but also like the most successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Mike sells 25 million records and you sell a million records, you look that as a flop, but a million records is still more than 90% of people are selling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like, you know, you can't make a Michael pun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't win in that situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, what is our no skips rating here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, well, we've we've said it before, but one would be you're skipping a lot now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope we don't actually talk about too many albums that that you would give a one rating to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hope not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And 10 is like, I just let this thing play like I don't skip any.

55:45.179 --> 55:48.424
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of a song that I skip when I play this album.

55:49.466 --> 55:51.650
[SPEAKER_00]: It's nine and a half.

55:51.810 --> 56:04.791
[SPEAKER_00]: Me, I think triumphant probably has more play-through value than maybe even thriller.

56:05.007 --> 56:10.455
[SPEAKER_00]: Because like there isn't a song on triumph is good as Billy Jean or beat it.

56:11.036 --> 56:15.904
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be starting something, but there's also no song as bad as the girl's mom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're not a fan of that one.

56:22.253 --> 56:25.318
[SPEAKER_00]: Nah, but if I'm playing triumph, I'm going to let that rock straight through.

56:25.358 --> 56:28.483
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just it's a pretty solid consistently.

56:29.712 --> 56:36.330
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at the professional ratings on the Wikipedia page for this album and all really great scores.

56:37.032 --> 56:38.997
[SPEAKER_01]: A website that you used to

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[SPEAKER_01]: do some reviewing for pop matters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What happened to that website?

56:44.929 --> 56:45.650
[SPEAKER_01]: They still exist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's still good.

56:46.431 --> 56:47.192
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it still exists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people who still review and records on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

56:51.198 --> 56:55.464
[SPEAKER_01]: Pop matters had the lowest score, but they were, it looks like they rate out of 10.

56:55.604 --> 56:57.367
[SPEAKER_01]: And these other services rate out of five.

56:57.387 --> 57:02.494
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, this album was very well received by fans and by critics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you with?

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[SPEAKER_01]: time waits for no one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that song.

57:11.634 --> 57:27.473
[SPEAKER_00]: So my triumph story is I was maybe like nine years old visiting some relatives in the Chicago suburbs and this may have actually been one of my first going back one of my first experience with the Walkman.

57:30.316 --> 57:33.300
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my grandmother's my great aunt

57:33.922 --> 57:49.534
[SPEAKER_00]: lived in Chicago and we were there on a visit and they had a bunch of tapes and they let me go out and play the tapes you know as I was like walking around the backyard and stuff and one of them was triumph and it was the first time I heard that album all the way through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And time waits for no one, which is similar in a similar vein to like, she's out of my life.

57:57.953 --> 58:00.496
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those sort of Michael is sad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also a giant truth bomb, if you listen to the lyrics.

58:03.739 --> 58:15.673
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, we could go back and talk about some of the songs on Destiny and Triumph and be like, Mike was telling on herself, like this whole time.

58:16.818 --> 58:21.350
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he sings the hell out of it, like he, you know, just a great vocal performance.

58:21.771 --> 58:28.328
[SPEAKER_00]: It's maybe for me, my least favorite song on the album, but it's still a good song.

58:29.892 --> 58:32.599
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what about, uh,

58:35.363 --> 58:49.348
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, that that's really the only one that stands out as kind of like I could see some people going like, eh, that that is not my cup of tea, but that is that's not me like I like a lot of those CRP MJ performances kind of songs.

58:49.989 --> 58:54.998
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll talk about them in our top five, because I have some of them on my on our bulldozer, boy.

58:55.018 --> 58:55.920
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right.

58:57.217 --> 59:16.611
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the whether it's the destiny tour or the victory tour or the triumph tour, like what, this has got to rank highly on your list of like if I could go back in time and see some folks in concert like the Jackson's in general, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would else, who else would be on that list?

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[SPEAKER_01]: that you haven't seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not folks that you have seen, but maybe you wanted to see when they were younger, but just who you haven't seen.

59:28.232 --> 59:32.317
[SPEAKER_00]: If I could go back in time, I would have loved.

59:32.337 --> 59:34.119
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I never saw George Michael in concert.

59:34.139 --> 59:35.221
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have loved to have seen him.

59:35.241 --> 59:38.324
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to have seen Luther in concert.

59:39.386 --> 59:44.352
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked to have seen a young new addition in concert.

59:46.694 --> 59:48.297
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the first time I saw them was like 2004.

59:48.317 --> 59:53.388
[SPEAKER_00]: No, 2003, it was right before they got signed a bad boy.

59:55.171 --> 59:58.779
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I would have been great to see and like Bob Marley in concert.

59:58.819 --> 01:00:00.723
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a handful of like, what is it?

01:00:00.743 --> 01:00:03.168
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've seen Stevie and Prince.

01:00:03.849 --> 01:00:04.891
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen Stevie twice.

01:00:05.593 --> 01:00:07.116
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Prince once.

01:00:07.383 --> 01:00:09.906
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't see Michael solo, did you?

01:00:10.587 --> 01:00:13.951
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, Michael only really toward the US once.

01:00:14.571 --> 01:00:15.653
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was the bad tour.

01:00:15.673 --> 01:00:23.342
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been 12 and we certainly wouldn't have been in a place where we'd have been able to afford Michael Jackson's tickets.

01:00:23.442 --> 01:00:24.403
[SPEAKER_00]: So that did not happen.

01:00:26.005 --> 01:00:35.736
[SPEAKER_01]: Had he gone through the this is it tour and had it been a success.

01:00:36.847 --> 01:00:40.413
[SPEAKER_01]: actually done some U.S. dates you to been there.

01:00:41.715 --> 01:00:43.358
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell you, I almost went to the UK.

01:00:44.099 --> 01:00:46.723
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have some friends who still have their UK tickets.

01:00:47.965 --> 01:00:49.047
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

01:00:49.988 --> 01:00:52.873
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a regret.

01:00:52.993 --> 01:00:54.636
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a definite regret.

01:00:56.202 --> 01:01:01.971
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously you don't know when someone's going to, you know, pass away suddenly.

01:01:02.672 --> 01:01:11.745
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but if there had been a date in relatively close proximity and, you know, he lived to do the tour, I would have 100% been there.

01:01:12.066 --> 01:01:16.733
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I regret not going to the 30th anniversary shows in 2001.

01:01:17.514 --> 01:01:18.215
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

01:01:18.335 --> 01:01:19.637
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they were in Madison Square Garden.

01:01:19.738 --> 01:01:20.639
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Madison Square Garden.

01:01:20.659 --> 01:01:21.400
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:01:21.498 --> 01:01:29.994
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, he's, I could see why maybe you don't go because he wasn't there to do a concert.

01:01:30.535 --> 01:01:35.544
[SPEAKER_01]: It was more of a celebration for him than it was an actual concert though.

01:01:35.564 --> 01:01:36.826
[SPEAKER_01]: He did perform a little bit.

01:01:39.090 --> 01:01:42.797
[SPEAKER_00]: He performed it from any dinner, you know, he did a reading and set with his brothers.

01:01:42.963 --> 01:01:45.529
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would have been really cool to see.

01:01:46.171 --> 01:01:52.385
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, you know, I never got the chance to see him or the group in concert.

01:01:52.406 --> 01:01:54.711
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can imagine that the brothers

01:01:55.838 --> 01:01:58.341
[SPEAKER_01]: could probably still do some stuff near you.

01:01:58.361 --> 01:02:00.944
[SPEAKER_01]: You should definitely see them.

01:02:01.385 --> 01:02:01.585
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:01.905 --> 01:02:04.328
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, at this point, it's Marlon and Jackie.

01:02:05.530 --> 01:02:10.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Would I think one of Tito's kids and then somebody else, maybe two of Tito's kids?

01:02:12.858 --> 01:02:14.140
[SPEAKER_00]: But it would still be a fun show.

01:02:14.160 --> 01:02:16.783
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would definitely go check it out.

01:02:16.763 --> 01:02:28.596
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, is there anything else that you wanted to mention about this album or just about the group or their influence or or whatever that else that that there is to talk about these guys?

01:02:28.711 --> 01:02:29.392
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny.

01:02:29.412 --> 01:02:37.986
[SPEAKER_00]: I at one point, me and my friend Zach were actually working on a book about the Jackson's and they got partially written.

01:02:38.187 --> 01:02:39.629
[SPEAKER_00]: We just never finished it off.

01:02:40.791 --> 01:02:43.576
[SPEAKER_00]: So this era is really important to me.

01:02:43.616 --> 01:02:50.567
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wish that more people knew these records and

01:02:50.547 --> 01:02:54.191
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, we're familiar with them because I think they're just, I mean, I think they're good.

01:02:54.271 --> 01:02:54.892
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all good.

01:02:54.932 --> 01:02:56.354
[SPEAKER_00]: Except for maybe going places.

01:02:56.394 --> 01:02:57.635
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really fond of that album.

01:02:58.356 --> 01:03:03.883
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even understand what's the idea for that album.

01:03:03.943 --> 01:03:06.326
[SPEAKER_01]: What were they trying to go with that album?

01:03:06.686 --> 01:03:07.067
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:03:07.167 --> 01:03:09.950
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they were, you know, they would be introduced by somebody else.

01:03:10.410 --> 01:03:11.712
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that

01:03:12.232 --> 01:03:31.914
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, in Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff are legendary, like I actually got to meet Kenny Gamble and like thank him for the music that he made, which you know, like, you know, such a great moment, um, but, you know, maybe they didn't have the eye the tiger, then, um, the Jackson didn't really yet know to do with themselves, label didn't know what to do.

01:03:32.014 --> 01:03:35.238
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's kind of a messy, it's not messy.

01:03:35.538 --> 01:03:38.201
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a very generic kind of board sounding record.

01:03:38.221 --> 01:03:41.445
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that not that they,

01:03:42.016 --> 01:03:52.246
[SPEAKER_01]: not that they could use that as an example of why they should be more involved in the creative, but that album is an example of why they should have been more involved in the creative.

01:03:52.466 --> 01:03:58.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that is ultimately what led to them being able to write and produce their own stuff.

01:03:58.472 --> 01:04:05.679
[SPEAKER_00]: So the story as I know it is that they released the going places out of the going places out and was a flop.

01:04:06.080 --> 01:04:07.581
[SPEAKER_00]: It did not do well at all.

01:04:08.202 --> 01:04:11.365
[SPEAKER_00]: And Epic was actually about to drop the Jackson's.

01:04:11.885 --> 01:04:41.115
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the group didn't know that they were about to get dropped and Michael and Joseph went in two epic's office and we're like, look, this shouldn't work in, like, let us do our own thing and, you know, stand up for all on our own merits and I think the executives at CBS were kind of impressive and like, let's keep these guys let them do one more album and see what happens and fortunately that album ended up being destiny.

01:04:41.770 --> 01:04:49.140
[SPEAKER_00]: which revived their careers and ended up being a success and then set the stage for what happened after.

01:04:50.802 --> 01:04:57.071
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, in a different world, and Go and Places might have actually killed Jackson.

01:04:57.091 --> 01:05:08.807
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because the just the difference in the sound, when you go from Go and Places to destiny, like destiny still sounds like a 70's record,

01:05:08.888 --> 01:05:10.930
[SPEAKER_00]: But it sounds, it pops, right?

01:05:10.970 --> 01:05:18.298
[SPEAKER_00]: Like sounds fresh, you know, whereas going places again, they, it, it, it, it sounds a little half-assied to me.

01:05:18.979 --> 01:05:19.239
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:05:20.180 --> 01:05:30.631
[SPEAKER_01]: So how long, so going places is 77, when does off the wall drop, like how many August of 79, so less than two years?

01:05:30.811 --> 01:05:31.131
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:05:32.133 --> 01:05:35.436
[SPEAKER_01]: So because that is also a selling point is,

01:05:36.192 --> 01:05:45.249
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if Michael really believes that his solo crew is about to take off, it's like, you don't want to jump off of this bandwagon, quite yet, but he, right?

01:05:45.269 --> 01:05:50.418
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, and, you know, again, like those albums kind of set the stage, right?

01:05:50.458 --> 01:05:55.888
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Destiny came out, Destiny's successful, Michael's already working on off the wall.

01:05:57.455 --> 01:06:05.143
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and then off the wall comes out and like blows up first album in history by solo artists to have four top 10 hits.

01:06:05.223 --> 01:06:13.091
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this big success was actually the biggest selling album by a black artist up until that point.

01:06:14.832 --> 01:06:19.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Then try and comes out and then thriller kind of like, you know, shoots him over the moon.

01:06:19.978 --> 01:06:25.403
[SPEAKER_00]: But each of those Jackson's albums was like a building

01:06:26.918 --> 01:06:34.530
[SPEAKER_01]: will end with this and this is just another kind of question that is kind of unanswerable, but just a fun conversation point.

01:06:35.532 --> 01:06:38.096
[SPEAKER_01]: So victory.

01:06:39.838 --> 01:06:48.572
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there are pieces of victory that are

01:06:50.392 --> 01:06:53.014
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just never gets to that level.

01:06:53.034 --> 01:06:54.416
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, there's not enough.

01:06:54.476 --> 01:06:56.497
[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably not enough Michael for anybody.

01:06:57.518 --> 01:06:59.180
[SPEAKER_01]: It tastes on that album.

01:07:00.361 --> 01:07:06.987
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he is so, he is such a big part of the Jackson's, all of the albums.

01:07:07.027 --> 01:07:09.049
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's like doing so many different things.

01:07:09.069 --> 01:07:13.272
[SPEAKER_01]: So to take him out for whatever reason, I'm sure he was just a busy dude.

01:07:13.332 --> 01:07:19.538
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you're trying to get some of the other brothers to kind of replace what he would do.

01:07:19.957 --> 01:07:30.771
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wonder, like it's one of those things where I'm just like, could someone have, in putting this thing together, I know that this wasn't something that was on his mind, something that he wanted to do.

01:07:30.851 --> 01:07:33.835
[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of had to get talked into it, and maybe guilt tripped into it.

01:07:34.355 --> 01:07:34.596
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:07:35.397 --> 01:07:48.934
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you get him, like, if you get a week of his time, I feel like this album could have been, like, incredible.

01:07:50.095 --> 01:07:57.886
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if it came from Michael or if it came from the other brothers, but they were trying to be like, okay, well, let's make this as a democracy.

01:07:58.627 --> 01:08:02.892
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's get everybody their chance to shot.

01:08:04.014 --> 01:08:14.248
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I think Mike was like, cool, I'll play the back a little bit, even though I think Michael is still the brother that you hear the most on the album.

01:08:14.268 --> 01:08:17.352
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, prior to that,

01:08:18.023 --> 01:08:19.986
[SPEAKER_00]: Michael sang lead on damn near every song.

01:08:20.006 --> 01:08:22.209
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's not on the differences.

01:08:22.289 --> 01:08:22.950
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that right?

01:08:23.210 --> 01:08:23.431
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:08:24.172 --> 01:08:29.219
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, on triumph, he is lead or co lead on every single song on the album.

01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:33.405
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a couple of songs on Triumph where, you know, like obviously Randy sings, can you feel it?

01:08:33.946 --> 01:08:35.087
[SPEAKER_00]: Or part of can you feel it?

01:08:35.928 --> 01:08:47.625
[SPEAKER_00]: Marlon sings part of give it up, Jackie sings part of wondering who, but, you know, I think for victory, there was more of a sense of,

01:08:48.213 --> 01:08:57.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, like I'm still here, but instead of me being here and you all are here, like I'm going to give you all a chance to like prove yourselves and I just make it more equal.

01:08:58.028 --> 01:09:04.457
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, you know, I'm going to minimize myself a little bit and you know, again, like I don't.

01:09:08.744 --> 01:09:13.090
[SPEAKER_00]: Victory is not an awesome record, but it's also not a bad record.

01:09:13.880 --> 01:09:16.083
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think it's bad record at all.

01:09:16.103 --> 01:09:22.130
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think, but I think this thing could have been like amazing.

01:09:22.371 --> 01:09:25.214
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it could have been so much better than it actually turned into me.

01:09:25.935 --> 01:09:28.278
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, no, so here's it, here's the thought.

01:09:28.458 --> 01:09:30.281
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of being not always?

01:09:30.882 --> 01:09:32.644
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, get that out of here.

01:09:32.724 --> 01:09:41.575
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, right, and so if you are gonna actually get what is essentially a Michael Solosong, why is it being not always?

01:09:42.095 --> 01:09:49.930
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, that's like a Ben part two, man, mm, mm, I don't know, man, um, that that's it.

01:09:50.070 --> 01:10:03.715
[SPEAKER_00]: I, that might be in like my all-time five least favorite Michael Jackson songs, um, and you know, I think the one thing about victory is that even when the other brothers take the forefront, it feels like

01:10:05.062 --> 01:10:10.852
[SPEAKER_00]: It's every brother doing a solo record as opposed to the brother's doing a record and then different brothers taking the lead.

01:10:11.373 --> 01:10:20.308
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, you know, the individual tracks don't really feel like they have the other brothers, um, participation very much.

01:10:20.568 --> 01:10:22.852
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I think torture is a cool track.

01:10:22.932 --> 01:10:25.176
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one more chance is an awesome track.

01:10:25.377 --> 01:10:26.639
[SPEAKER_01]: One more chance is a great song.

01:10:26.659 --> 01:10:27.260
[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out right.

01:10:27.280 --> 01:10:27.981
[SPEAKER_01]: Well,

01:10:29.007 --> 01:10:30.609
[SPEAKER_01]: Shoutout in 1984, Randy.

01:10:32.852 --> 01:10:35.896
[SPEAKER_01]: Tito, the Tito track, we can change the world.

01:10:36.257 --> 01:10:37.439
[SPEAKER_01]: That song is really good.

01:10:37.459 --> 01:10:38.440
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:43.847
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there, this is back when we're only talking like eight songs or whatever for the album.

01:10:43.867 --> 01:10:53.901
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you get be not always out of there and get like a real big Michael Jackson track, that just changes the whole trajectory of that album, I think.

01:10:54.185 --> 01:10:58.096
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Mike, would you like to exchange this song for something else?

01:10:58.858 --> 01:10:59.400
[SPEAKER_01]: I was there.

01:10:59.420 --> 01:10:59.941
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you do it?

01:11:00.021 --> 01:11:04.935
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike, Mike, would you like to keep it being not always for bad?

01:11:04.975 --> 01:11:07.061
[SPEAKER_01]: We will allow you to have it for bad.

01:11:07.081 --> 01:11:08.144
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll allow you to have it.

01:11:08.164 --> 01:11:09.207
[SPEAKER_01]: Just give me another song.

01:11:10.402 --> 01:11:25.534
[SPEAKER_01]: And all right, that's going to be it for our 50 for 50 review of Triumph, which is an album near and dear to our heart 50 for 50 dot net check out the website.

01:11:25.634 --> 01:11:27.578
[SPEAKER_01]: The website's actually kind of cooking right now.

01:11:27.598 --> 01:11:29.743
[SPEAKER_01]: We got some just pop and posts on there.

01:11:29.723 --> 01:11:33.829
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not it's not quite full because it's still the little new, but we're still new.

01:11:33.949 --> 01:11:36.493
[SPEAKER_01]: There's stuff there and I'm messing around with graphics.

01:11:36.513 --> 01:11:37.995
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to get the graphics right.

01:11:38.075 --> 01:11:40.238
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to get make things look snazzy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So but check out the website.

01:11:43.123 --> 01:11:44.985
[SPEAKER_01]: Also the YouTube page.

01:11:45.226 --> 01:11:46.808
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can subscribe to that.

01:11:46.868 --> 01:11:48.731
[SPEAKER_01]: We're still looking for more subscribers.

01:11:48.771 --> 01:11:56.322
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to put some shorts up there as well, which might be a little bit more of like timelyness of things that are going on in music.

01:11:56.302 --> 01:12:01.433
[SPEAKER_01]: and all that, but thank you very much for coming along this journey with us.

01:12:01.513 --> 01:12:07.165
[SPEAKER_01]: I've already heard some very cool feedback from people who I didn't really expect to hear from.

01:12:07.186 --> 01:12:14.361
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a kind of like a Twitter friend from back in the day when Twitter was

01:12:14.341 --> 01:12:16.343
[SPEAKER_01]: real Twitter instead of what it's become.

01:12:17.164 --> 01:12:20.728
[SPEAKER_01]: And we had this group of San Francisco Giants fans.

01:12:20.788 --> 01:12:25.413
[SPEAKER_01]: We all would kind of meet up from Twitter and one of the people her name is Stephanie.

01:12:25.453 --> 01:12:31.340
[SPEAKER_01]: She's she's went from back then, but she popped in to say, Oh, I liked what you guys did.

01:12:31.360 --> 01:12:32.100
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to see.

01:12:32.461 --> 01:12:34.103
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I know my gosh.

01:12:34.123 --> 01:12:35.124
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't expect that one.

01:12:35.144 --> 01:12:36.705
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been hearing from people like that.

01:12:37.506 --> 01:12:39.068
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think people are enjoying it.

01:12:39.188 --> 01:12:41.531
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, what is resonating?

01:12:41.691 --> 01:12:42.812
[SPEAKER_01]: I think.

01:12:42.995 --> 01:12:49.900
[SPEAKER_01]: are people who are, you know, kind of close to our age, but how we attack these albums is like,

01:12:50.757 --> 01:12:53.943
[SPEAKER_01]: How did you hear it through your childhood?

01:12:53.983 --> 01:12:55.025
[SPEAKER_01]: And what does it mean to you?

01:12:55.065 --> 01:13:00.174
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's really what is different about music from other art forms.

01:13:00.194 --> 01:13:02.679
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm sure people go, oh, you know, star wars.

01:13:02.739 --> 01:13:04.883
[SPEAKER_01]: I could meant a lot to me as a little kid.

01:13:05.344 --> 01:13:10.954
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are movies, of course, that that happens to, but music, because music is such a personal experience.

01:13:11.315 --> 01:13:13.238
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird in that,

01:13:13.218 --> 01:13:17.222
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a personal experience, even though everybody has the same opportunities to listen.

01:13:17.502 --> 01:13:21.125
[SPEAKER_01]: But for whatever reason, because of how you listen, you kind of just internalize it.

01:13:21.145 --> 01:13:22.687
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, almost like, this was for me.

01:13:23.087 --> 01:13:31.735
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's pretty cool when I hear stuff like that from people, because there was a buddy who was listening to the, to the new edition episode.

01:13:32.276 --> 01:13:35.679
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, new editions of my guys, like I remember X, Y, and Z.

01:13:35.739 --> 01:13:37.141
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he was all fired up about that.

01:13:37.161 --> 01:13:38.582
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, that's why we're doing this.

01:13:38.602 --> 01:13:41.925
[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is music that touched us in that way.

01:13:42.530 --> 01:13:42.830
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:13:43.111 --> 01:13:43.451
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:13:43.471 --> 01:13:47.056
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that people reach out to us and share their memories of the music as well.

01:13:47.076 --> 01:13:47.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:13:47.417 --> 01:13:47.517
[SPEAKER_01]: No.

01:13:47.577 --> 01:13:48.598
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a blast so far.

01:13:48.759 --> 01:13:49.299
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:55.548
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back with another episode and we'll be back with different episodes to our top five episodes.

01:13:56.770 --> 01:14:08.045
[SPEAKER_01]: Our episodes of the cool check-in and then we're also putting posts on the website based off of the playlists that Mike creates from our top five so you can check for those as well.

01:14:08.226 --> 01:14:08.506
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For Mike, I'm WGC,