Jan. 22, 2026
Best of Lauryn Hill & The Fugees | Top 5
The Fugees' legacy is undeniable, but which tracks truly defined an era? Join hosts Garrett Gonzales and Mike Joseph on The Top 5 as they rank the best songs from the legendary trio and their iconic solo careers.
Many fans struggle to narrow down the massive discography of Lauryn Hill, Wyclef Jean, and Pras, often overlooking the deep cuts that fueled the 90s hip-hop revolution. In this episode, Mike and Garrett break down the artistry behind massive hits like "Killing Me Softly" and "Ex-Factor," while also diving into solo standouts like "We're Trying To Stay Alive" and "Guantanamera."
By listening to this breakdown, you’ll gain a deeper appreciation for the group’s genre-blending brilliance and see how our hosts' definitive lists compare to your own. Whether you are a die-hard fan of The Score or The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, this deep dive offers fresh perspectives on the sounds that reshaped the culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Mike, it's time for the top five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything food you related though, now that I realized that, I didn't even think about John Forte, but he probably wouldn't have been on there anyways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good job with the catchest trays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, he got, he had like a crazy history, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because I remember the first album because he's on the carnival a lot and he's really good on the carnival.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he put out his own album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he like arrested or something?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was in jail for a number of years for drug trafficking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to get him on detoxacy and he said no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to tell any stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, but here you work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're probably going to ask him a little bit, but it's more about, you know, I mean, that's quite a story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you come back from that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how are you handling that and how are you being a human being these days?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you, so you had some sort of hook I reached out to his PR person?
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[SPEAKER_01]: just like found him on on IG and it had his PR information in in the bio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was just like, you know, it's not like I'm trying to get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I'm trying to get white club on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's check it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, he's through his PR person needs to climb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you asked Whitecliffe to come on and he's bringing the bubble goose and he's trying to say
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mad dog and you he'll be like what's Clef got to do with it L.O.
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[SPEAKER_01]: beef.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I forgot about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a time in history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was involved with the cannabis and L.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and all of a sudden L.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just brought him in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you Bob Marley and pasta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ross and pasta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's not what we were brought on to talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking, we're doing our top five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fooji's related, so anything related to Lauren, Wycliffe, and Praz, and that is in our top five for Fooji's records.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you kick it off?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is your number five?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so from my number five, I picked a record that was produced by a Fooji.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess the white clef is on it sort of in the background, but my number five was my love is your love by Whitney Houston.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much did he produce on that album?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just I think the one song just I think the one song Lauren did one song because I was the first single of the album wasn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was me was a later single.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, was it the name of the album?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the album.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a moment where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that album should have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's better, but like more accepting, like, there's something about that time frame in Whitney where we're just pulling for her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's an opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that album is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good but it could have been like insane and I don't think it reached what in my mind what I thought that album should have been but that's a great pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember reading somewhere that that album was recorded in like two weeks or some some ridiculous number like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like yo, you need to stop making movies, stop making soundtracks, you need to make a studio album and they just kind of like they recorded it, got it like fresh off the presses and put it out
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so with a little bit more time, it could have been better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, but it's still a solid record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that I think about it, and this is not on my list by the way, I don't know if this is on your list, but Lauren Hill produces a rose of still a rose, which is a really good arena for Anglinson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are, see, this is, I forgot about these songs, which is probably why they weren't on my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My number five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is a song that we mentioned on the the Lauren Hill misjudication episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wanton a meta where Lauren and Wycliffe are both on the album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a unique song because of how it's how it's produced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like you weren't hearing a ton of that stuff in hip-hop at that time when it came out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talk about the bar with a Cuban cigar, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talk about the influence of Latin music and popular culture now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, where Bad Bunny is the number one artist in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, back in the day when this record came out, and they got Celia Cruz to be on it and, you know, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, very unique for its time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I remember correctly, they performed it on the Grammys, the next year with Celia Cruz and did like this whole production.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, a great record incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your number four?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not number four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rose is still a rose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A read this hasn't put out a record in a couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She at this point is in her 50s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, mid 50s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like 99 98 98 98.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that Lauren is still at her peak powers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I read this like 55, 56 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, not the age anyone would expect somebody to still be like contemporary music, but Lauren gave her this song, which is very much a story song, you know, about a woman who's going through heartbreak and I read this playing like a matronally character being like, look, you still a flower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, this will pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very like, I don't know, to me, it's like the perfect record and it's got like, and it's not, it's, it's contemporary, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got flavor to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a beat, the beat knocks, or eat those like riding a beat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's just, it's, it's very, it's a perfectly well-done, like synthesis of like classic soul, a little bit of hip hop, and you know, or eat the inner pocket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, my number four,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is probably not very high in your list I'm guessing, but I get a kick out of this song because it reminds me of like 1997.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is Wycliffe again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to stay alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost put that on my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still just love that song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's what we're trying to be puffy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing about the carnival
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[SPEAKER_00]: even people who you wouldn't think were hip-hop fans really love that album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And okay, when I say that it's mostly like white people who don't rap fans, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's like, why clip is playing guitar?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Celia Cruz on the record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the Neville brothers on the record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing there a couple of songs at the end that are completely a Haitian Creole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's just this very like melting pot of a record that has all these different like influences and then the first single, you know, this is the era where there's like momenty mo problems and all these songs that are very much like loop a popular record wrap over to yes, yes, yes, now the thing about this album in a very clearly remember this like we're all in our early 20s and a co worker is like
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one album I can throw on at my little house party that everyone rocks with is the carnival.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was this the white person?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was this Andy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't Andy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the same company, though, because I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andy wasn't there yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Andy seems to me to be the type of person that in his younger use with throwing a carnival at a house party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that album,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably today, like, I'm not sure how many people are so rock in the carnival, but you know, it was in its time, it was fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it crossed some some barriers that I was surprised that it crossed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when he said that I was like, really like the carnival, like this is not a, you know, this is, this is not a rap album that makes
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, people who are not rap fans think they're cool or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like so many different things going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was just so surprised that he liked it as much as he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's your three?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My three is ready or not from the score.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the any sample.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the lyrics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even like prize comes off a little bit on this record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like his voice is kind of dope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like the perfect Fuji's hip hop song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lauren says, she plays her enemies like a game of chess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why, why Cliff should have saw miseducation come in, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number three for me is X factor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like, um, I think the video also because of the videos in my mind, it also adds to just the heartbreak and the just the sweaty, drippiness of that song for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm not sure, like, from a slow jams perspective, it isn't a lovey, Debbie song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, uh, you know, a what was kind of song, but I just think it's so powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, I still, I still really enjoy that song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a great song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's your number two?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so on my list, my number two is actually we trying to stay alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I played myself, I lied.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know, man, and I'm going to leave it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a fun record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the video is silly and fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's just very much like the summertime kind of like league of carries behind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your, your previous description of him trying to get his puffy on is is right on the money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, two things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think most hardcore hip hop heads from day one, didn't like puff daddy because it couldn't rap like from day one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why clef as an alternate version, why clef is actually a musician, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's chops there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And secondly, because Puffy was even in 97, so overexposed,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wycliffe doing his thing in the same kind of way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't all up in the music videos, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was, he was still kind of, he was a famous for before the Fuji's, but as a solo, he was kind of underneath somebody like Puffy, who would like everyone is sick of by that time, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it worked on those levels too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean Wycliffe was always an artist first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, whereas, you know, puff was an executive who was like, oh, how can I get more shine?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a be an artist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there, there are, I mean, there are because of this aforementioned documentary about Sean Combs that is out right now on Netflix as we record this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as I think that's just going to take it down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When this is, when this is released, this podcast has released.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll, it'll be a couple months later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're the current meme that is all in my IG stories or in my IG feed is making fun of Puffy dancing when he's singing the biggest album you saw coming out dancing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you have all of these people doing these these Instagram reels of like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, I'm at this funeral and here's how I'm gonna show you how sad I am and they come out dancing, you know, like, like he was, yeah, and I think faith Evans has come out and said that she didn't want to sing that on that on that performance and he was like very forceful in getting her to sing on that performance because she was just too heartbroken right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, just.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you know the thing about the puppy thing and this is not a puppy episode, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So many people were turned off by him, even back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like Puffy back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That I was very, that was very much like a hip-hop purest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, Puffy was coming from a coming at it from a place of he's not an artist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're also a music purist, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like he's not writing his own rhymes and writing your own rhymes was very much like a sacred institution of hip hop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not an artist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're coming at it from an executive standpoint that wants to be a star.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have no investment in the advancement of music or the advancement of art at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're just taking these records that
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[SPEAKER_01]: were great anyway, and kind of like mumbling shit over them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're getting popular off the strength of your personality and the power of the old record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was just, there's always, and obviously, people, a lot of people are going to say this in retrospect, but for me, even back then, I had a hard time with anything bad word related, because it just seems so like lowest common denominator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, that taking advantage,
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[SPEAKER_00]: of
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[SPEAKER_00]: the Biggie and Tupac beef, like that's how his career is made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Biggie and we're going to get to this at another point, but Biggie and Pock were really like the first two big, big rappers to like get cut down in the prime of their lives and careers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just felt like having those things, having back to back was just setting like a dangerous precedent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but to like go back to the
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[SPEAKER_01]: as a black person of Caribbean descent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that there's a difference in, like obviously black people, nobody's a monolith, black people are not a monolith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that there's like a black American experience for that, for like Gen X, which I think the two of us and why I clap for all a part of and Lauren,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and there is a Caribbean black experience to know two kind of different things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the corniness is a part of the black Caribbean experience because we were colonized for a lot longer and our influences, you know, if your family came from the old country in the 60s, 70s, there's still very much a sort of European culture in the background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you can sample the BGs, you can make a record with Kenny Rogers, and while it may seem corny, it's also like all the old Trinidadian and Jamaican ladies in my neighborhood grown up listening to adult contemporary light FM Kenny Rogers music, what they grew up listening to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, it's very natural, like it's a natural,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're naturally expressing why clef is naturally expressing what's kind of in his upbringing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not being coined for the sake of being coined, but, you know, he's Haitian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure his parents were listening to, you know, in him and his, you know, cousins or whatever listening to things like Kenny Rogers when they were kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, my number two is, uh, kill me softly because I think it's just a powerhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, and it's, it's that a star is born moment in, in, in, in, uh, just listening to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even still today when I listen to it, I'm just like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, we're bird-of-flat past a way earlier, you know, a few months ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I listen to killing me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's her version of killing me softly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, fuck this man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say to the Fuji.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what's your number one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I forgot about killing me softly for some reason, uh, but my number one was lost once.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just died, you know, I've already spoken at length about how much I like that song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, it's just Lauren Hill telling you how dope in MC, she is like, it's just, uh, a master class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a groupie call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You fall from temptation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you want a ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a separation operation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not ball B-A-L-L. B-A-W-L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll call on him a crybaby, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy, she was like on fire on that album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A minor one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a little bit of a cheat code because this song is not easily
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[SPEAKER_00]: a tribe called Quest and it is bust the rhymes on that one too, it is foodies tribe called Quest and bust the rhymes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a special song because it's not easily found anywhere, like even the music video on YouTube once and again, I have not seen if it's on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know when I used to find it on Apple music, it was as part of like some sort of compilation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not on streaming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hard one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's from the soundtrack to when we were kings, which I believe is like a documentary about the thriller in Manila.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fantastic, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a rumble in the jungle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that that's what that movie is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The documentary and then when you had that song attached to that movie, it was a fantastic sort of like this thing happens in the 70s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's James Brown as a big part of this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you blend the Fuji's and a tribe called Quest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: together as like the 20 you know here and here we are 30 years later or whatever you know 20 some on years later like it made that feel new because the documentary is based on something that happened you know over 20 years prior and then you bring in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that song, which is, uh, I still think it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just also so hard to find.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you can't find it anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it also might just be because I haven't heard it as many times as some of these other songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does it have the time to get played out yet?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, imagine like a tribe called Quest who I, you know, near and dear to my heart,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the foodies who were just about, you know, the biggest group at that time, like together on one song, I dream team, you know, yeah, alright, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did another one of these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got through all five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got through all five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're putting playlists of this stuff together too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So by the way, 50 for 50 dot net.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can find all of our stuff there and find us on YouTube and your podcast feeds, leave us a five star review if you can and I've said this before we will read them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on air if we, as we see them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we will see all at some point in the very near future for Mike, I'm WG, see you when we see you peace out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Mike, it's time for the top five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything food you related though, now that I realized that, I didn't even think about John Forte, but he probably wouldn't have been on there anyways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good job with the catchest trays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, he got, he had like a crazy history, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because I remember the first album because he's on the carnival a lot and he's really good on the carnival.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he put out his own album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he like arrested or something?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was in jail for a number of years for drug trafficking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to get him on detoxacy and he said no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to tell any stories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, but here you work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're probably going to ask him a little bit, but it's more about, you know, I mean, that's quite a story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you come back from that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how are you handling that and how are you being a human being these days?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you, so you had some sort of hook I reached out to his PR person?
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[SPEAKER_01]: just like found him on on IG and it had his PR information in in the bio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was just like, you know, it's not like I'm trying to get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like I'm trying to get white club on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's check it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, he's through his PR person needs to climb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you asked Whitecliffe to come on and he's bringing the bubble goose and he's trying to say
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[SPEAKER_00]: You mad dog and you he'll be like what's Clef got to do with it L.O.
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[SPEAKER_01]: beef.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I forgot about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a time in history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was involved with the cannabis and L.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and all of a sudden L.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just brought him in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you Bob Marley and pasta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ross and pasta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's not what we were brought on to talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking, we're doing our top five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fooji's related, so anything related to Lauren, Wycliffe, and Praz, and that is in our top five for Fooji's records.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you kick it off?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is your number five?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so from my number five, I picked a record that was produced by a Fooji.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess the white clef is on it sort of in the background, but my number five was my love is your love by Whitney Houston.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much did he produce on that album?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just I think the one song just I think the one song Lauren did one song because I was the first single of the album wasn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was me was a later single.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, was it the name of the album?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the album.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a moment where.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that album should have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's better, but like more accepting, like, there's something about that time frame in Whitney where we're just pulling for her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's an opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that album is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good but it could have been like insane and I don't think it reached what in my mind what I thought that album should have been but that's a great pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember reading somewhere that that album was recorded in like two weeks or some some ridiculous number like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like yo, you need to stop making movies, stop making soundtracks, you need to make a studio album and they just kind of like they recorded it, got it like fresh off the presses and put it out
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so with a little bit more time, it could have been better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, but it's still a solid record.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that I think about it, and this is not on my list by the way, I don't know if this is on your list, but Lauren Hill produces a rose of still a rose, which is a really good arena for Anglinson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are, see, this is, I forgot about these songs, which is probably why they weren't on my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My number five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is a song that we mentioned on the the Lauren Hill misjudication episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wanton a meta where Lauren and Wycliffe are both on the album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a unique song because of how it's how it's produced.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like you weren't hearing a ton of that stuff in hip-hop at that time when it came out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talk about the bar with a Cuban cigar, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You talk about the influence of Latin music and popular culture now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, where Bad Bunny is the number one artist in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, back in the day when this record came out, and they got Celia Cruz to be on it and, you know, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, very unique for its time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I remember correctly, they performed it on the Grammys, the next year with Celia Cruz and did like this whole production.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, a great record incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's your number four?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not number four.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rose is still a rose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A read this hasn't put out a record in a couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She at this point is in her 50s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, mid 50s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like 99 98 98 98.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that Lauren is still at her peak powers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I read this like 55, 56 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, not the age anyone would expect somebody to still be like contemporary music, but Lauren gave her this song, which is very much a story song, you know, about a woman who's going through heartbreak and I read this playing like a matronally character being like, look, you still a flower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, this will pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very like, I don't know, to me, it's like the perfect record and it's got like, and it's not, it's, it's contemporary, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got flavor to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a beat, the beat knocks, or eat those like riding a beat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's just, it's, it's very, it's a perfectly well-done, like synthesis of like classic soul, a little bit of hip hop, and you know, or eat the inner pocket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, my number four,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is probably not very high in your list I'm guessing, but I get a kick out of this song because it reminds me of like 1997.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is Wycliffe again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to stay alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost put that on my list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still just love that song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's what we're trying to be puffy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing about the carnival
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[SPEAKER_00]: even people who you wouldn't think were hip-hop fans really love that album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And okay, when I say that it's mostly like white people who don't rap fans, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's like, why clip is playing guitar?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Celia Cruz on the record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the Neville brothers on the record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing there a couple of songs at the end that are completely a Haitian Creole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's just this very like melting pot of a record that has all these different like influences and then the first single, you know, this is the era where there's like momenty mo problems and all these songs that are very much like loop a popular record wrap over to yes, yes, yes, now the thing about this album in a very clearly remember this like we're all in our early 20s and a co worker is like
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one album I can throw on at my little house party that everyone rocks with is the carnival.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was this the white person?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was this Andy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it wasn't Andy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the same company, though, because I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andy wasn't there yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Andy seems to me to be the type of person that in his younger use with throwing a carnival at a house party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that album,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably today, like, I'm not sure how many people are so rock in the carnival, but you know, it was in its time, it was fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it crossed some some barriers that I was surprised that it crossed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when he said that I was like, really like the carnival, like this is not a, you know, this is, this is not a rap album that makes
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, people who are not rap fans think they're cool or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like so many different things going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was just so surprised that he liked it as much as he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's your three?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My three is ready or not from the score.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the any sample.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the lyrics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even like prize comes off a little bit on this record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like his voice is kind of dope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like the perfect Fuji's hip hop song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lauren says, she plays her enemies like a game of chess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why, why Cliff should have saw miseducation come in, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number three for me is X factor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like, um, I think the video also because of the videos in my mind, it also adds to just the heartbreak and the just the sweaty, drippiness of that song for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm not sure, like, from a slow jams perspective, it isn't a lovey, Debbie song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, uh, you know, a what was kind of song, but I just think it's so powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, I still, I still really enjoy that song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a great song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's your number two?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so on my list, my number two is actually we trying to stay alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I played myself, I lied.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know, man, and I'm going to leave it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a fun record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the video is silly and fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's just very much like the summertime kind of like league of carries behind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your, your previous description of him trying to get his puffy on is is right on the money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, two things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think most hardcore hip hop heads from day one, didn't like puff daddy because it couldn't rap like from day one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why clef as an alternate version, why clef is actually a musician, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's chops there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And secondly, because Puffy was even in 97, so overexposed,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wycliffe doing his thing in the same kind of way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't all up in the music videos, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was, he was still kind of, he was a famous for before the Fuji's, but as a solo, he was kind of underneath somebody like Puffy, who would like everyone is sick of by that time, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it worked on those levels too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean Wycliffe was always an artist first.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, whereas, you know, puff was an executive who was like, oh, how can I get more shine?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a be an artist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there, there are, I mean, there are because of this aforementioned documentary about Sean Combs that is out right now on Netflix as we record this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as I think that's just going to take it down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When this is, when this is released, this podcast has released.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll, it'll be a couple months later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're the current meme that is all in my IG stories or in my IG feed is making fun of Puffy dancing when he's singing the biggest album you saw coming out dancing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you have all of these people doing these these Instagram reels of like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, I'm at this funeral and here's how I'm gonna show you how sad I am and they come out dancing, you know, like, like he was, yeah, and I think faith Evans has come out and said that she didn't want to sing that on that on that performance and he was like very forceful in getting her to sing on that performance because she was just too heartbroken right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, just.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you know the thing about the puppy thing and this is not a puppy episode, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So many people were turned off by him, even back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like Puffy back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That I was very, that was very much like a hip-hop purest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, Puffy was coming from a coming at it from a place of he's not an artist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're also a music purist, though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's both.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like he's not writing his own rhymes and writing your own rhymes was very much like a sacred institution of hip hop.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not an artist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're coming at it from an executive standpoint that wants to be a star.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have no investment in the advancement of music or the advancement of art at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're just taking these records that
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[SPEAKER_01]: were great anyway, and kind of like mumbling shit over them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're getting popular off the strength of your personality and the power of the old record.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was just, there's always, and obviously, people, a lot of people are going to say this in retrospect, but for me, even back then, I had a hard time with anything bad word related, because it just seems so like lowest common denominator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, that taking advantage,
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[SPEAKER_00]: of
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[SPEAKER_00]: the Biggie and Tupac beef, like that's how his career is made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Biggie and we're going to get to this at another point, but Biggie and Pock were really like the first two big, big rappers to like get cut down in the prime of their lives and careers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just felt like having those things, having back to back was just setting like a dangerous precedent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but to like go back to the
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[SPEAKER_01]: as a black person of Caribbean descent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that there's a difference in, like obviously black people, nobody's a monolith, black people are not a monolith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that there's like a black American experience for that, for like Gen X, which I think the two of us and why I clap for all a part of and Lauren,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and there is a Caribbean black experience to know two kind of different things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the corniness is a part of the black Caribbean experience because we were colonized for a lot longer and our influences, you know, if your family came from the old country in the 60s, 70s, there's still very much a sort of European culture in the background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you can sample the BGs, you can make a record with Kenny Rogers, and while it may seem corny, it's also like all the old Trinidadian and Jamaican ladies in my neighborhood grown up listening to adult contemporary light FM Kenny Rogers music, what they grew up listening to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, it's very natural, like it's a natural,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're naturally expressing why clef is naturally expressing what's kind of in his upbringing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not being coined for the sake of being coined, but, you know, he's Haitian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure his parents were listening to, you know, in him and his, you know, cousins or whatever listening to things like Kenny Rogers when they were kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, my number two is, uh, kill me softly because I think it's just a powerhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, and it's, it's that a star is born moment in, in, in, in, uh, just listening to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even still today when I listen to it, I'm just like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, we're bird-of-flat past a way earlier, you know, a few months ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I listen to killing me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's her version of killing me softly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, fuck this man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say to the Fuji.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what's your number one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I forgot about killing me softly for some reason, uh, but my number one was lost once.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just died, you know, I've already spoken at length about how much I like that song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, it's just Lauren Hill telling you how dope in MC, she is like, it's just, uh, a master class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a groupie call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You fall from temptation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you want a ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a separation operation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not ball B-A-L-L. B-A-W-L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll call on him a crybaby, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy, she was like on fire on that album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A minor one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a little bit of a cheat code because this song is not easily
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[SPEAKER_00]: a tribe called Quest and it is bust the rhymes on that one too, it is foodies tribe called Quest and bust the rhymes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a special song because it's not easily found anywhere, like even the music video on YouTube once and again, I have not seen if it's on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know when I used to find it on Apple music, it was as part of like some sort of compilation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not on streaming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hard one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder why.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's from the soundtrack to when we were kings, which I believe is like a documentary about the thriller in Manila.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fantastic, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a rumble in the jungle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that that's what that movie is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The documentary and then when you had that song attached to that movie, it was a fantastic sort of like this thing happens in the 70s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's James Brown as a big part of this thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you blend the Fuji's and a tribe called Quest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: together as like the 20 you know here and here we are 30 years later or whatever you know 20 some on years later like it made that feel new because the documentary is based on something that happened you know over 20 years prior and then you bring in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that song, which is, uh, I still think it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just also so hard to find.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you can't find it anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it also might just be because I haven't heard it as many times as some of these other songs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does it have the time to get played out yet?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, imagine like a tribe called Quest who I, you know, near and dear to my heart,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the foodies who were just about, you know, the biggest group at that time, like together on one song, I dream team, you know, yeah, alright, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We did another one of these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got through all five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we got through all five.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're putting playlists of this stuff together too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So by the way, 50 for 50 dot net.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can find all of our stuff there and find us on YouTube and your podcast feeds, leave us a five star review if you can and I've said this before we will read them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on air if we, as we see them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we will see all at some point in the very near future for Mike, I'm WG, see you when we see you peace out.
