Michael Jackson Movie Review: Estate Image Over Artistry | The Cool Check-In

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't done a cool check in in a little bit, but that is changing because we are going to review the new movie that came out this past weekend and it's going to make a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reviews are not fantastic, but I don't, it wasn't created for that necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the background of Michael as well, but you were a little bit on the fence about watching this before it came out and you kind of talked yourself into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Being the number one Michael Jackson fan that I know, give me the, you know, what was the trepidation about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it wasn't that I I talked myself into going to see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was talked into going to see it by someone who ended up not even going to see the movie with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they got sick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're sick for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say that's a valid excuse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for me, it was just I know how biopic's operate, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are not giving

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[SPEAKER_00]: the entire truth to a situation, stuff is often out of order, a lot of stuff is fictionalized, or dramatized, and I'm the type of person who, you know, I'm sort of a stickler for truth and honesty in my media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I knew before I even sat down in the theater that I was going to have an

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[SPEAKER_00]: For that reason, I was like, I don't even know if I'm going to spend my money and see this, I'll wait until it's on on demand or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then when the first trailer came out, this was a few months ago, my friend Sammy was texting me and he was like, yo, he was like, I want to see this movie and I'm not going to see this movie with anybody but you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of felt put on a spot and also like not to put it on him also felt very honored that someone wanted to have this experience with me as someone who's a pretty big Michael Jackson fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: wanted me to be in the vicinity as they experienced it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, the no turned into a yes pretty quickly and, you know, ultimately I ended up seeing the movie on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what was the theater like?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The theater was full.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, I would say, demographically speaking, I would say the majority of the people that were younger than us, which was a little bit of a surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very much people of color.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say two thirds black and brown people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and people were like locked into the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People were talking to the screen, they're in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, there was a dance party after the movie when the credits were rolling in the music playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that was my experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A very similar experience to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it on Saturday afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is coming out on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the way, the way that I felt about it going in,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know way too much about the production about the early script.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've just been following it for so long and we'll talk about some of that as we as we discussed the film.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just kind of knew what to expect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing that was going for one, we'd been talking about doing a show or doing a review of the movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was locked in for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the other thing was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: When do you get to experience the music in a theater setting?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, maybe you go to the Cirque du Soleil show or maybe you go to the MJ on Broadway show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been to the MJ on Broadway show though, my localized version of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a great reason to do it as you get to hear the music, but in this setting, I went to see it on IMAX, which means, you know, a bit a little bit bigger screen, sounds like some sort of bit better than your normal theater, and that's how I wanted to experience it because, you know, my gateway in maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: not really liking the narrative or it didn't really feel like there were points for anything to happen in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, you go, okay, now they're playing the Jackson five doing stand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what I'm here for in a sense as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was my experience, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just like you said at the end,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's an old, oh, I say old, he just older than me, like he starts dancing to this place hotel, which is on going on in the credits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then who I assumed to be his daughter, she starts dancing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then who I assumed to be her mother and his wife, she starts dancing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really want to pull my phone out to just see this, so like, post this by on these people like look look at what's happening like this is why this movie was partially why it was made is because that that's how this music makes people feel I didn't do that I felt that not been creepy if I did unless I asked them you know, book, but So that's the reason to go and that's why I would suggest to people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: not to wait until it comes out on streaming because you're not going to have to say an experience you're going to miss that thing and and you know if you think about Michael Jackson in the vein of

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[SPEAKER_01]: he is a he is a one of one that will never be duplicated in our culture because we don't understand or live through pop culture in the same way today as we did way back where like you think Taylor Swift is big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not Michael Jackson Bay to how big Michael Jackson was during you know the mid 80s to the late 80s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that that is something to experience and I'm happy that people, you know, I'm getting a little heat from friends because I posted my letter box review of the movie and I was like, get out of five stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a two star movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't really there was not really a narrative there's like no reason for things to happen in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a how can I not like it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a thing with an opinion that I'm allowed to have but they did They're saying that from the lens of they know that I'm a big Michael Jackson fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So okay Let's talk about The kind and there's gonna be spoilers, but my it's Michael Jackson's life if you don't know what happens like why you watching Exactly, so yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was comparing it the entire time to the Jackson's mini series that we won the early 90s, which was far better by the way, I agree, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I'm watching this movie, I was like, we don't have to have, we don't have to tell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Joseph story all over again, like it's kind of unnecessary because if you know the Michael Jackson's story, you know that his dad was abusive as a way to get his kids to perform better or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the flip side is, as I think the reason why that stuff

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[SPEAKER_01]: the script.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the way the movie was supposed to end, which it doesn't end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The movie as it is now ends with him performing the bad world tour because he wanted to do a world tour a solo world tour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how the movie ends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Originally, the movie was going to end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with basically the cops busting down doors at Neverland Ranch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think with that script understanding the pieces of Michael Jackson's childhood as to maybe why he was kind of a lonely kid or why he was a little bit eccentric.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you do need that Joseph stuff in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the way that the movie played out as we saw it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't really hammer home a lot of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I almost feel like if we start at the end of, maybe the triumph tour, and then you just get to bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's probably tighter, and it's, and it's does a better job of what they were trying to do, which is just showcase, you know, the magic of the music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think about the way the narrative of this work?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The people who made the movie are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place in a lot of ways, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you want to make a feature-length movie that encapsulates the life and career of someone who is so complex, whose fame was so complex, who had so many layers to their story, trying to put that, you know, 120 minutes is a fool's errand, like it just makes it, it's impossible to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the intricacies of Michael's life and career were too big to fit in 120 minutes, it just was not going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to kind of like very quickly kind of try to shovel everything in as much as possible to put this person's life and even a portion of his life, I mean, this basically covers like a 20 year period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to even put a portion of this person's huge life into movie length, so it's digestible to people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I do think Joe is integral to Michael's story as a child and as an adult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they could have made a whole movie just based off like the father's son dynamics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or how about,

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[SPEAKER_01]: show us some a joe's childhood like true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just comes in as like this, you know, mom, momager is the word that they use for like he's he's their manager and he's their dad and he's like treating them as his employees rather than his children.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I don't

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a weird place to be, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because obviously Joseph Jackson was an abusive, selfish person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But by the same token, Joseph definitely wanted what was best for his children.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, you know, the kids were in a bad situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Indiana was not the place to be at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to get his kids out of Gary, he wanted money, he wanted to simply, you know, the financial security and the comfort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted his kids to have a better life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also is a black man who was born in 1925 or whenever Joseph was born.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, came up before the Civil Rights era, you know, in the middle of like Jim Crow, either his parents were slaves or his grandparents were slaves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's coming directly from this environment where corporate punishment is normal, like you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, there aren't these, you know, the way that parenting works now, that's not the way that it works back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you had an issue with your kid, like you popped your kid across the face, and if you wanted your kid to comply, you used corporate punishment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, I mean, look, I grew up in 80s, my stepfather was from the South, my stepfather beat the shit out of me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it's normal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's learned behavior over generations from those, you know, from people that grew up in that environment where, you know, again, going back to slavery, the way that, you know, the master kept you in line was to pop you when you're job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's again, like not saying it's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Joseph definitely had a mission, you know, to try to give his children a better life than he himself had, trying to give himself a better life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he certainly didn't go about it the best way, but also he was successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there's a lot of intricacies there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like your thought about the fame and celebrity aspect of this because the original intention, and I'm actually really interested because the timeline of events, the idea of this movie,

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[SPEAKER_01]: being created is not that far after the leaving neverland docu series that was on HBO.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that docu series, it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch it, so I can't say anything about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were the two people who were involved in that from the victim perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were previously on the side of Michael before and then in this movie they were not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll just leave that at that, so I didn't see that, but that did some damage to the estate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they came out of it, okay, because there was some concern about that docu-series and what was true and what was not true, but I do wonder if this movie was created with the idea of like, okay, this thing did some damage to the state.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we need to put out our version of what we believe, and it just took forever for this movie to be made, but from the victim standpoint, if you wanted to show MJ,

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[SPEAKER_01]: as the victim rather than the abuser, um, like leaving now that Neverland had him as maybe you do show the aspect of fame and how he went from, you know, there's that great, there's that great part where Barry Gordy tells him like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: just tell people that you're eight, not that you're ten.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Barry Gordy played by Lorenz Tate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was nice to see Lorenz Tate on the green again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so from from the age of ten, there's immediate manipulation going on in his brain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think about what a ten-year-old brain is like, and it's not about that, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some manipulation going on, though,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the better it is for our public perception and maybe for our bank account in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, there's something there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But just the idea of celebrity and fame, if you look at it through that lens,

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[SPEAKER_01]: MJ could have done stuff, we have no idea what really happened there, but if you do want to make him a victim, that celebrity lens, I don't think people, anybody would see him as anything other than a victim through that lens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, they also probably see that he did manipulate those situations to his advantage at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, back then, he didn't have a choice, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm, I am not 100% sure where I stand on, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what Michael may or may not have done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like my heart and my gut tell me he didn't do it, but the reality is that the only people that truly know what happened or didn't happen would be Michael who was no longer here to talk about it or defend himself and the people that he may or may not have been in these situations with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So personally, I think the Neverland documentary is I didn't watch it, but I think for people to wait until he's been dead for 10 years and his estate is like rolling in money like

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[SPEAKER_00]: If y'all were really abused, y'all wouldn't want to throw this motherfuckin jail, um, and y'all would have said something when he was alive and when he was going through a trial to, you know, both through the plaintiff and, you know, make sure that this person who allegedly abused, you got put away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, it's just like, you know, I, I'm not 100% certain, but the math that see doesn't math properly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know whether the movie was created as damage control or not because realistically how much more can you do as the estate with, you know, you know, what's kind of left out there like how many cows are left to milk, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that if you are, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Before I saw the movie, I Quest Love Post is something I wasn't in on his Instagram after he saw the movie, and he was like, look, he was like, if you look for continuity issues, if you're looking for stuff that's not exactly the way it happened, you're gonna be disappointed, don't bring out your red pen and start Markin' stuff up, but what this movie does is a humanized as Mike, and I think it does do that to an extent, but also, I think there's so much,

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[SPEAKER_00]: more to this story that would have even made him a sympathetic, and even more sympathetic character, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like not only was this kid, you know, a victim of, you know, corporate punishment, physical abuse, you know, parental mistreatment, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's a, you know, the first young black teen idol of the post civil rights era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a kid who,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is responsible for like the earning potential of his entire family at the age of like 10 and that's used against him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's in and of itself like that's going to fuck people up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we saw with someone like Gary Coleman who did not deal with that very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody deals with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who can deal with that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you imagine

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[SPEAKER_01]: having to sue your parents so that they don't mess with you like imagine the emotional toil that takes on somebody and that was what was facing Michael pretty much throughout his teenage years as well as just being afraid of of the punishment piece because there's a year that happens when you do get abuse like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got this happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, you've got the whole line about your age thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got, you know, you're lying about how you would discover which you they didn't talk about in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the party line for many years was that Diana Ross discovered the Jackson five, which wasn't true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The movie had a good job though of showing Gladys Knight as the one who did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: introduce them to television or whatever rather than Diana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the story isn't told in the and inaccurate way in the movie, but it gives a little bit more credit to the person and people who deserve that credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you think about him having a lie about how he was discovered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has to lie about his parents having a happy marriage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Joe was cheating on Katherine from like damn near jump street.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like you create this as a 10 year old 11 year old 12 year old, where you don't really know how to like manipulate the truth and lies properly like you just expanding all this energy

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, being inaccurate and on true to yourself in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's going to mess with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how it doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I don't think there is a way that it doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just, you know, considering everything that he had to contend with before he turned 18, like, how does someone not get completely screwed up by that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, there's a couple of other things that we probably need to talk about with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No Janet Jackson or Randy or Remy, no Randy Jackson, no Ruby Jackson, and it sounds like Janet has just not been interested in dealing with Michaels a state since he passed away, like for whatever reason, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: she has her reasons and she's a successful person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure she can sniff maybe some unsavory things out because she doesn't need money from them, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, one of some one thing I do find weird, it's very interesting is that John McClain, who is one of the two co-executors of Michael's estate along with John Branca, John McClain is the person responsible for control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like John McClain hook

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty positive Janet and John McLean have some like long standing beef.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember there was a book written by Randy Terberelli back in like the late 80s, early 90s that suggested that Janet and John McLean may have had like a thing thing happening at one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just kind of threw it out there like no one knows for sure whether this happened, but we're going to just throw this car ball at you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just think there's like long standing like simmering discontent beef, whatever they're but the reality is that Janet is very much in charge of her own career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her career exists independently of Michael, although, you know, it's also fair to say that, you know, Michael's world exists without Janet Janet's world would not have existed without Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, it is weird that she is not mentioned in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: John, you mentioned John Branca, he historically was Michael's lawyer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he got fired a couple different times and he came back right before Michael passed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has also a big piece of what is going on today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is in this movie played by Miles

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[SPEAKER_01]: in a not a super duper important role, but I just found that to be super interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does feel like a big part of this movie is John Branca, as he co-executor of the estate, blowing smoke up his own butt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what do you know about Michael's bodyguard slash driver?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't break?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like he had a huge part in this movie almost as like the social

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Bill Bray was my security guard for something like 35, you know, 30 to 35 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's interesting is that at one point Bill Bray wrote a book, actually accusing Michael the things that he was accused of, and then re-neged, he re-canted, and then, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, not in the movie, but that happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I do think Bill Bray was an important person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it seemed like Mike spent a lot of his career like looking for father figures to kind of evade Joseph a little bit, whether it was Barry Gordy, which makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whether it was Barry Gordy or John Brank, or not John Brank, or Bill Bray,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I think, you know, Bill Bray was kind of the closest older male figure in his life from much of his life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another one of

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[SPEAKER_01]: people close to him, his daughter is anti this entire movie though his son is one of the executive producers so say what you will every I look like every sibling who agreed to do this was also an executive producer on the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, don't get that bag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Prince, don't get that bag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can can we talk about jafar?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One, I'm glad it wasn't Jermagesty, who is the, the Jermaine's son.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kidding, I don't even know what Jermagesty looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to say the name Jermagesty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jafar is really good at what he's asked to do, which is mimic his uncle in the way that he speaks and moves and then perform, you know, I'm sure to memory all of the choreography that was going on in the videos and in the life performances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I would call what he did to be actual acting, but what he was asked to do, he did tremendously well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't want to undercut his performance by being negative on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think he was actually asked to act.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was asked to mimic his uncle as close as possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did a great job at doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, my man was doing Michael Jackson cosplay and for what that required he did a fantastic job like the voice the speaking voice he nailed it was pretty incredible and the choreography and the dance moves and just like he certainly embodied Michael Jackson, but you are correct what he did was not acting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, I think, I think what's going to come out of, um, you know, when kind of the dust levels, because it did, it's going to do really well this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It, I mean, the numbers are out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It did almost a hundred million at the US box office, which is the biggest first week opening for a music-related biopic ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And,

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[SPEAKER_01]: did bigger than what the predictions were or what directions were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I worry a little bit about the legs, but what may help the legs are the superfans who are going to see this movie multiple times in 100 times and I don't know that you know because the reviews are bad and it has actually stopped people in my ecosystem from going to see it and I'm telling them

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[SPEAKER_01]: movies not good, but what I said at the top of this podcast, which is if you are a fan of the music, you want to experience it in that way, that is the way to experience it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you wait for streaming, I mean, maybe maybe you have a great sound system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be the same, but you just wait for streaming, because that's kind of how you do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You only spend money on the movies that are that you really hear excellent, which is fine, as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we got options.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there is, they left it open ended as far as if there's going to be a sequel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like like we said, the movie ends with the bad tour, which means, uh, nothing post 80s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no dangerous stuff in there and beyond right no danger is no Lisa Marie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, uh, Madonna no kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No man in the Oscars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I mean, there's certainly plenty of material that they could pull from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of what it sounds like they may have already shot, but they just did, they just had to edit down from three and a half hours to the two hour time time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there may be stuff if they decide to do another one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which also, I mean, if you watch the end of that movie, like the last 12 minutes of that movie is pretty much all performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they wanted to put more narrative stuff in, they absolutely could have cut some of those performances short and added more actual, like the plot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is the, you know, if you want the, kind of the clue that this wasn't going to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: anything other than, you know, a bunch of music pieces and music videos is there are rare scenes in this movie where there's like more than two or three minutes of actual dialogue before music plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even the actors in this movie don't really get to act very much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Coleman Domingo plays Joseph.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he mostly plays, you know, angry Joseph.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Coleman Domingo and Coleman Domingo was a great actor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like him a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, he plays Joseph, like Joseph is like a cartoon villain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Neil Long, who I really like, she played Catherine as a very one note.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as much as Angela Bassett in the 1992 Docky series, still had to kind of play Demir and worried mother, but didn't really have a voice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Angela Bassett had her scenes where she got to act and Nielong did not really get that opportunity in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which was, which was unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lorenz Tate is charming as all hell as Barry Gordy, but he's not in the movie a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a Susanne to pass his portrait by Laura

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[SPEAKER_01]: She, if you ever saw the Mike Tyson Hulu Docu series, she played Robin Givins, I think, in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she, I think she also dated Clay Thompson for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Clay Thompson, the news for dating somebody else recently and doing, doing her dirty from her side of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't heard Clay's side yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, but knowing Clay's history, I don't know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, you know, there are opportunities, I think, for storytelling in this movie, there's an opportunity like we said in the beginning, when Barry Gordy tells young Michael, he's basically got a lie about his age.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a moment there where you could have stretched that out to have meaning and to have causality for something to happen next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to being able to then be on MTV because Mike Myers from Wayne's World fame is playing Walter, Walter yet in a cough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the guy who I was running CBS music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Michael realizes like okay video is going to be the way to go and all of a sudden he's worried about the asymmetricalness of his face and he thinks his nose is too big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a scene early in the film where his dad calls him big nose just sets that whole thing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but again, you have this moment where he goes to get a nose job and doc is like, hey man, you're kind of a handsome dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want this nose job for?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I want it and he comes out of it and he's got the note, but that is not really set up to mean anything or to even breathe at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are there are different moments with his pain medication when during the Pepsi shoot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually there is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gets caught off fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like his

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he talks about Demerall being a drug that he doesn't really want to mess with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know in later he would do a song called Morphine or he does a whole little thing about Demerall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of these things could have been utilized

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[SPEAKER_01]: if they just let those scenes breathe, if they would have been kind of built into reasoning for him to do things, but they're kind of glossed over, and I think we are just supposed to assume that they all affected him in some way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if I was to, you know, they're there again, and Torn Fuqua, as you said, he's at the mercy of the estate, really he couldn't do anything the estate was not interested in doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which I think may have even caused him to not be around when they had to do some reshoots because they had to change the third act.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not clear on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen some rumors about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you didn't really have to worry about a state sign off, again, I would have loved to see him come right out of the Jackson's and into off the wall and thriller and like that whole because that would be what we're showcasing genius and we're showcasing where he goes from, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: this artist who's got some fame, a ton of promise and he actually realizes that promise weren't any money ever thought I would love to see just the movie the two hours in that space like what what is he thinking about when he comes up with the song thriller is it you know is it his influence of enjoying scary movies or twilight zone or whatever well it's gonna be fair Michael didn't write thriller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, sure, but like what's the reason for being interested in that kind of strong or we know the Quincy Jones has told the story of Billy Jean over and over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have loved to see that in the scene, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the genesis of Billy Jean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, it's just glossed over and what we actually see are two things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One,

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[SPEAKER_01]: him with a bunch of placards of the songs of of the names of the songs on thriller and him finally just deciding on thriller being the name of the album and the other one was him watching television and then they're being a crypts versus blood story and him deciding that he wants to bring them together to dance for for beat it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and like that's all that we see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's so much opportunity, you can kind of like really tell these, tell some of these stories, but instead they want to pack so much into like you said the two hours that you just gloss over so many things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: My feelings about the movie are very similar to yours, where it's like, okay, like, I'm there for the music, the amount of continuity errors, the amount of like half truths that were in the script is like insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to see the movie with my buddy Mike and Mike was actually taking notes because he wrote in article for that appeared in Billboard the next day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many inconsistencies there were in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know I've been reading some of the social media chatter I've been reading about it on Reddit some Michael Jackson's fans are so fucking deluded it's incredible um but you know it's kind of what took me out of the movie I was one of many things to be out of the app you know the script wasn't very strong

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, like you said, the acting, you know, the actors weren't really even given permission to act, um, because everything went by so fast, um, and then just, you know, if you're a Michael Jackson fan and you know the sequence of like how stuff went, it just, it, it, again, takes you out of the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one thing I found was really funny, and this is right at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when the Jackson's Gladys Knight introduces the Jackson's in Detroit, and a sing never can say goodbye, which wasn't a song until like three years after that alleged performance happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the filmmakers would just like, eh, people don't care, or people aren't going to know, let's just, you know, they're kind of taking the audience, taking the audience's lack of intelligence for granted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they literally wanted to get that song into the film, the way that they could do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it just, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I said, I might have said in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I spent so much of the movie like just rolling my eyes because I was like, this is this is silly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't regret spending my money on it, but my expectations were low and those low expectations were where they needed to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be interesting to see what the discourse is after this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the power of the New York Times profile piece or the Billboard magazine profile piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not as powerful as they may have been back in the day as far as steering an audience because you have so many places where the Michael Jackson super fans exist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anything comes out of this movie that's going to either diminish or change people's minds about what they think about him as a person, what it will do and it would it probably will do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like Michael Jackson's music isn't still popular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's everywhere still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Choose those Spotify and Apple music numbers even more for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm actually interested to see what they're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's the Michael soundtrack, which I looked at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, who needs to buy this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's nothing to the, you could have really done a cool thing with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they, they almost put zero effort into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, I don't need this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to release more Michael stuff like you know whether it's concerts or whether it's blowing up a Michael Jackson official YouTube channel or you're I mean I know they have one but putting more rare stuff in there to juice some numbers you know they have footage of damn near everything I would you know I wish there was actual um

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[SPEAKER_01]: victory tour stuff that was not just handheld from the from the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish there was real like concert film footage of it because I'd go watch it immediately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My understanding from a long time ago is that there was at least one showing that tour that was pro shot for, you know, a concert film or something like that and they just never used it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's opportunity there, I think, as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just interested to see how they're going to take advantage of this, and then, of course, if we see a sequel, I almost wonder if a sequel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: does more damage than anything else because that is the part of his life that people are a little bit more intrigued to see as far as because that's when all the drama and all the craziness starts to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure you could gloss over it as easily as you gloss over some of the things in this film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the reality is if they do a second part of that film that covers that time period, your far is going to have to act.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, by the way, CGI bubbles and he thoughts, man, it's crazy to me that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The second biggest role in that movie went to a CGI chip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you want to talk about the acting, that might have been have to be in Jafar's most acting, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's acting with the green screen and probably a tennis ball on a stick or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Insane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That this kicks off our 50 for 50 on off the wall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We wanted to get our thoughts in this review up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Check out 50 for 50 dot net coming up after this after we post this the next one is our deep dive into the album off the wall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll also talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: stuff on thriller and bad and dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to come back later this year with a 50 for 50 on invincible, which would cover the post-dangerous songs and albums.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then at the end of this week, we'll put our top five up with, this is like, we split it up, we split this catalog up a little bit, but still is like, how can you make a top five?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's impossible, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you later in the week for Mike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm WGC when we see you piece out later.